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If Canada became the 51st state...
« on: March 05, 2025, 09:57:26 AM »
If through tariffs and economic pressure Canada decided to become the 51st state, what would happen to our Qtrade/Questrade/Wealthsimple accounts that hold investments/index funds? Would they cease to exist? Merge into an American equivalent? Still exist?

And even worse, if war was declared and the USA invaded Canada in order for it to become the 51st state, what would happen to our bank accounts and investment accounts then? Would they just disappear and we would lose all our money? I know obviously being in war other priorities would take precedence. But intrigued for what would happen to our accounts in a worst case scenario.

What happens in a situation like this?

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2025, 11:47:05 AM »
If through tariffs and economic pressure Canada decided to become the 51st state, what would happen to our Qtrade/Questrade/Wealthsimple accounts that hold investments/index funds? Would they cease to exist? Merge into an American equivalent? Still exist?

I believe that they would continue to exist (at least for a short time).  The banks/businesses themselves would likely continue.  Funds at least are going to be easily convertible to US currency.


And even worse, if war was declared and the USA invaded Canada in order for it to become the 51st state, what would happen to our bank accounts and investment accounts then? Would they just disappear and we would lose all our money? I know obviously being in war other priorities would take precedence. But intrigued for what would happen to our accounts in a worst case scenario.

During the invasion your accounts would still remain there.  After the US invades though, the question of what to do with Canadian currency would reside with the only power in US politics at the moment - the executive branch.  So you would be hoping for leniency from Donald Trump.  My expectation is that CDN would go to zero, and anyone with CDN dollar holdings would lose everything.

This would be a great boon to the US, as they would have an entire gigantic group of broke people under their rule to abuse as underlings.  US history has showed us that the American people are only too comfortable with this arrangement.  I also expect that Canada would be given a US territory status so that we are required to pay taxes but denied the ability to participate in democracy (assuming democracy of any form continues under Trump), just like in Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, etc.  This would help to keep the oppression going for generations if not in perpetuity.

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2025, 12:14:17 PM »
Hitler issued occupation currencies:
https://www.worthpoint.com/dictionary/p/coins-currency/paper-money-europe/german-occupation-issue-coins-currency

So an invaded Canada might see a similar move, some kind of enforced occupier currency (trump coins?) controlled by the invader.

Your Canadian assets might well be seized, like those of Jews in occupied countries, by officials or just by random thugs “working towards the Fuhrer” i.e guessing what the despot would like them to do and carrying it out.



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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2025, 12:17:13 PM »
Ooooh.  Occupier currency.  Finally a use case for crypto.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2025, 12:43:54 PM »
If through tariffs and economic pressure Canada decided to become the 51st state, what would happen to our Qtrade/Questrade/Wealthsimple accounts that hold investments/index funds? Would they cease to exist? Merge into an American equivalent? Still exist?

I believe that they would continue to exist (at least for a short time).  The banks/businesses themselves would likely continue.  Funds at least are going to be easily convertible to US currency.


And even worse, if war was declared and the USA invaded Canada in order for it to become the 51st state, what would happen to our bank accounts and investment accounts then? Would they just disappear and we would lose all our money? I know obviously being in war other priorities would take precedence. But intrigued for what would happen to our accounts in a worst case scenario.

During the invasion your accounts would still remain there.  After the US invades though, the question of what to do with Canadian currency would reside with the only power in US politics at the moment - the executive branch.  So you would be hoping for leniency from Donald Trump.  My expectation is that CDN would go to zero, and anyone with CDN dollar holdings would lose everything.

This would be a great boon to the US, as they would have an entire gigantic group of broke people under their rule to abuse as underlings.  US history has showed us that the American people are only too comfortable with this arrangement.  I also expect that Canada would be given a US territory status so that we are required to pay taxes but denied the ability to participate in democracy (assuming democracy of any form continues under Trump), just like in Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, etc.  This would help to keep the oppression going for generations if not in perpetuity.

Damn. The latter sounds utterly depressing and unfortunately not too far fetched. Being a dual citizen, I guess I'm somewhat lucky and can move back to
my country of birth. I'm thinking of keeping the inevitable inheritance money in my origin country when it arrives. Even if it means being dinged with tax for holding specified foreign assets which will be more than $100,000.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2025, 09:51:06 PM »

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2025, 08:45:01 AM »
Agreed @Heckler . Canada is not for sale. i don't even understand why we have a post on this here in the first place. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2025, 08:45:59 AM »
Nobody in this thread was concerned about Canada being for sale.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2025, 09:39:50 AM »
Can we not even talk about this Bullsh@t

I will not even consider or talk about the what ifs because F@#K DJT and his Regime

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2025, 10:03:25 AM »
If Canada did become a state it would help the US out a lot actually. The House would at least go Democratic, the Senate too probably.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2025, 10:08:02 AM »
If Canada did become a state it would help the US out a lot actually. The House would at least go Democratic, the Senate too probably.

Which is why, in this seriously disgusting hypothetical situation,  we would be another Puerto Rico.  "State" gives an erroneous impression of our future.

Of course I'm sure he thinks that because we are OK with King Charles,  we will be even happier with King Donald.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2025, 10:16:48 AM »
A lot of your assets are probably held by vanguard or blackrock, like you own VEQT or XEQT those are their assets, so no those kinds of things aren't going to get seized or anything like that.

Also Canada would be far too large, with far to much support in the US to be kept as a territory. It would be increasing the US population by 10% and be the second largest "state". Guam, PR, etc, are all tiny. Any of this stuff requires an act of congress which isn't going to happen. This is mostly reddit hysteria that is not based in reality.

It's a shame, normally I wouldn't be super opposed to more of an economic union with the US depending on what it looks like, like something like the EU where we keep our own country and laws but use the USD, share defense, more citizen movement between the 2 countries, more aligned taxation, better movement of capital and investment, etc. The CAD sucks and canada can't build a strong economy because of our proximity of the US and the sucking hole of all our talent, our access to capital investment is weak, again because of our proximity to the US, and our military is deeply integrated into the US. But Trump is such an unstable asshole, and their democracy is such a shitshow, that this is not even something I'd be willing to be entertain, I'd much rather us create some sort of integration with the EU now, who also need our resources. Especially as the EU rearms into a superpower.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2025, 07:44:57 PM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2025, 08:35:35 PM »
It's so gross and offensive that this is being normalized.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2025, 06:29:42 AM »
Gross and offensive describes the new US reality, so Canadians gotta adapt.
We used to feel like pretty good neighbours. Until we were directly threatened by the head of state.
Funny how that changes the vibe.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2025, 05:06:36 PM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2025, 07:53:54 PM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2025, 10:44:48 PM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

I want to clarify that I'm not some macho gun guy.  But if US troops were to roll into Canada I'd be standing in front of them in (probably) nonviolent opposition.  If it reaches that point then I'm sure Canadians will have been dehumanized enough that they will roll right over me and whoever else is there. 

If it were some kind of coup or legalistic bullshit I'd be in the streets protesting until it stopped. 

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2025, 09:08:31 AM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

You'd think this, but I was travelling in the States and talking to a Christian Lebanese Canadian from Alberta (he made sure to tell me that)... he was all for joining the US.... and was pro-Israel war with Hamas and Hezbollah as well. So, they are out there.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2025, 11:12:15 AM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

You'd think this, but I was travelling in the States and talking to a Christian Lebanese Canadian from Alberta (he made sure to tell me that)... he was all for joining the US.... and was pro-Israel war with Hamas and Hezbollah as well. So, they are out there.

Maybe we could trade Alberta for California.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2025, 11:21:52 AM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

You'd think this, but I was travelling in the States and talking to a Christian Lebanese Canadian from Alberta (he made sure to tell me that)... he was all for joining the US.... and was pro-Israel war with Hamas and Hezbollah as well. So, they are out there.

Maybe we could trade Alberta for California.

Hell, we could even trade Alberta for Texas and we would be way ahead in terms of developing renewable energy industries.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2025, 11:43:03 AM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

You'd think this, but I was travelling in the States and talking to a Christian Lebanese Canadian from Alberta (he made sure to tell me that)... he was all for joining the US.... and was pro-Israel war with Hamas and Hezbollah as well. So, they are out there.

Maybe we could trade Alberta for California.

Hell, we could even trade Alberta for Texas and we would be way ahead in terms of developing renewable energy industries.

Smith for Cruz?  Ugh, Sophie's Choice there.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2025, 11:57:11 AM »
If Canada is annexed by the US my wealth won't matter because I will be dead.
^^^^
That.

I'm just going to assume anyone purporting to be a Canadian in favour of this b.s. is some kind of bot.

You'd think this, but I was travelling in the States and talking to a Christian Lebanese Canadian from Alberta (he made sure to tell me that)... he was all for joining the US.... and was pro-Israel war with Hamas and Hezbollah as well. So, they are out there.

Maybe we could trade Alberta for California.

Hell, we could even trade Alberta for Texas and we would be way ahead in terms of developing renewable energy industries.

Smith for Cruz?  Ugh, Sophie's Choice there.

Lol, right? But only one of them actually shut down clean energy development...

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2025, 07:35:57 PM »
I have never wanted to own a gun but these 51st state threats are making me consider getting my license. I never thought I'd have to take the idea of literally fighting for my country seriously, especially not against the states, but if it's required I will show up.

In the meantime I will boycott and protest and do whatever I can to support Canada's sovereignty. I don't think Trump knows what he's getting into here, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2025, 08:21:14 AM »
I have never wanted to own a gun but these 51st state threats are making me consider getting my license. I never thought I'd have to take the idea of literally fighting for my country seriously, especially not against the states, but if it's required I will show up.

In the meantime I will boycott and protest and do whatever I can to support Canada's sovereignty. I don't think Trump knows what he's getting into here, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.

Amen. Trump has no idea what Canadians are capable of, especially in wartime (economic or otherwise).

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2025, 08:47:38 AM »
I have never wanted to own a gun but these 51st state threats are making me consider getting my license. I never thought I'd have to take the idea of literally fighting for my country seriously, especially not against the states, but if it's required I will show up.

In the meantime I will boycott and protest and do whatever I can to support Canada's sovereignty. I don't think Trump knows what he's getting into here, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.

Amen. Trump has no idea what Canadians are capable of, especially in wartime (economic or otherwise).

https://www.cbc.ca/kidsnews/post/meme-this-what-is-this-bald-eagle-saying-to-this-canada-goose

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2025, 11:24:43 AM »
I have never wanted to own a gun but these 51st state threats are making me consider getting my license. I never thought I'd have to take the idea of literally fighting for my country seriously, especially not against the states, but if it's required I will show up.

In the meantime I will boycott and protest and do whatever I can to support Canada's sovereignty. I don't think Trump knows what he's getting into here, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.

https://forces.ca/en/apply-now/

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But, please stay true, free and strong, keep the guns where they belong.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2025, 06:36:49 PM »
Folks need to read some history about Canadians in times of conflict.
All the stories are sad, because war is stupid, but there’s never any lack of ferocity.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2025, 08:10:52 PM »
I didn't really pay that much attention to the news but were people actually series about this or was it just a joke (US wanting Canada to be the 51st state)?

I kind of thought it was a joke, but then I thought people were joking when they said Trump was running so...

It would be really dumb for the Republicans because Canada would swing the House and Presidency to Democrat (Senate getting only 2 would be iffy)

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2025, 09:49:24 PM »
I didn't really pay that much attention to the news but were people actually series about this or was it just a joke (US wanting Canada to be the 51st state)?

I kind of thought it was a joke, but then I thought people were joking when they said Trump was running so...

It would be really dumb for the Republicans because Canada would swing the House and Presidency to Democrat (Senate getting only 2 would be iffy)

Think about it with the "trump is a Russian asset" mindset.   The US gets our natural resources,  more access to Arctic Ocean resources,  and Northern passage.  Same for Greenland.  So that gets an ally for Russia in the Arctic instead of Canada and Greenland/Denmark.

Really, so much of his confusing behaviour makes sense if you look at it this way.

Alternatively,  he wants to be the most recent president to acquire a big chunk of territory for his country.  What a legacy that would be, he would be admired for decades to come.  He probably thought us poor Canadians looking admiringly at the States would jump at the chance.  In that case the grass roots resistance must be throwing him off even more than the federal and provincial resistance.   And he may also be being surprised at the power the Provinces are showing.

And of course it could be both.

And I  know he says 51st state, but do any of us think we would have state rights? No, we would be a territory. 

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2025, 01:24:29 AM »
I have never wanted to own a gun but these 51st state threats are making me consider getting my license. I never thought I'd have to take the idea of literally fighting for my country seriously, especially not against the states, but if it's required I will show up.

In the meantime I will boycott and protest and do whatever I can to support Canada's sovereignty. I don't think Trump knows what he's getting into here, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.

https://forces.ca/en/apply-now/

“Overwhelming number of applicants”

But, please stay true, free and strong, keep the guns where they belong.

This is awesome. Canadians are awesome. :)

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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2025, 05:19:31 AM »
I didn't really pay that much attention to the news but were people actually series about this or was it just a joke (US wanting Canada to be the 51st state)?

I kind of thought it was a joke, but then I thought people were joking when they said Trump was running so...

It would be really dumb for the Republicans because Canada would swing the House and Presidency to Democrat (Senate getting only 2 would be iffy)

My friend was just returning from a business trip to the US, the taxi driver who drove her to the airport asked her where she was going and she said she was going home to Canada. He then got super excited talking about how she must be thrilled that Canada was going to join the US, how Canadians would all be so much richer and have access to so many more jobs.

So yeah, there are Americans who think it's serious and assume that we would be really happy about it.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2025, 08:20:47 AM »
I didn't really pay that much attention to the news but were people actually series about this or was it just a joke (US wanting Canada to be the 51st state)?

I kind of thought it was a joke, but then I thought people were joking when they said Trump was running so...

It would be really dumb for the Republicans because Canada would swing the House and Presidency to Democrat (Senate getting only 2 would be iffy)

Think about it with the "trump is a Russian asset" mindset.   The US gets our natural resources,  more access to Arctic Ocean resources,  and Northern passage.  Same for Greenland.  So that gets an ally for Russia in the Arctic instead of Canada and Greenland/Denmark.

Really, so much of his confusing behaviour makes sense if you look at it this way.

Alternatively,  he wants to be the most recent president to acquire a big chunk of territory for his country.  What a legacy that would be, he would be admired for decades to come.  He probably thought us poor Canadians looking admiringly at the States would jump at the chance.  In that case the grass roots resistance must be throwing him off even more than the federal and provincial resistance.   And he may also be being surprised at the power the Provinces are showing.

And of course it could be both.

And I  know he says 51st state, but do any of us think we would have state rights? No, we would be a territory.

I think he just thinks he wants to be the most recent president to get land and Alaska turned out to be a great bargain. He's cosplaying as a turn of the century president with tariffs and manifest destiny. He's also actually dumb enough to think that after a couple of months of tariffing canadian goods (which he might actually think Canada pays for) that Canada would just fold and it would all be so easy. If it was part of a bigger ideal to gain resources and ally with russia in the arctic there's not enough serious movement for this, like there cleraly no overarching plan, his address to congress wasn't calling on congress to take action (which would be required), apparently there's no actual discussion on this in congress and republicans just say he's joking or it's a negotiating tactice. Some on again off again tariffs don't suggest any actual serious plan, just an unstable dementia patient who thinks he's McKinley and who may not actually understand what a tariff is anymore.

I do think Trump is serious about it, but he's a moron who  has no idea what that would actually entail and has no actual plan, and no one else in the government is serious about it.
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2025, 09:32:44 AM »
Yikes, I just read this today, 2 days old Substack by Malcolm Nance.  Long-time US Navy / Intelligence / Natsec career and now retired:

https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-trump-is-planning

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2025, 11:00:17 AM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

Surely you meant 4th territory?

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2025, 11:57:17 AM »
Yikes, I just read this today, 2 days old Substack by Malcolm Nance.  Long-time US Navy / Intelligence / Natsec career and now retired:

https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-trump-is-planning

That site/article seems about as reliable as Fox news imo.

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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2025, 01:10:41 PM »
Nance was very active as a critic around the first Trump term. While much of his breathless analysis of Trump being Putin’s puppet was dismissed as overreaction, in light of the second Trump term it seems pretty spot on.

Two things are clear now: Trump is doing things that align with Putin’s objectives, and Trump is going through with many of his threats. Therefore, we should believe his threats.

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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2025, 02:44:43 PM »
I have a friend in the US who is looking to move to help protect his npn-binary kid. He loves visiting us here and it's a short hop that would keep them closer to family (Seattle/Victoria) but we had a pretty serious conversation about how he's concerned that we might not be a safe place for his kid either, because of the threats and rhetoric coming our way.

Can't say I disagree with him either

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2025, 02:50:23 PM »
I have a friend in the US who is looking to move to help protect his npn-binary kid. He loves visiting us here and it's a short hop that would keep them closer to family (Seattle/Victoria) but we had a pretty serious conversation about how he's concerned that we might not be a safe place for his kid either, because of the threats and rhetoric coming our way.

Can't say I disagree with him either

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2025, 07:51:05 PM »
It's not our federal election he's worried about, it's his own country's aggression. It would be awful to feel like you escaped... To WWII era Poland

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2025, 09:03:03 PM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

Surely you meant 4th territory?

5th.  Everybody always forgets Labrador.  ;)

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2025, 06:02:55 AM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

Surely you meant 4th territory?

5th.  Everybody always forgets Labrador.  ;)

So true

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2025, 12:15:20 PM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

Surely you meant 4th territory?

5th.  Everybody always forgets Labrador.  ;)


Isn't Labrador part of NL province?

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2025, 12:29:17 PM »
I wish Canada would make the USA the 11th province.

Surely you meant 4th territory?

5th.  Everybody always forgets Labrador.  ;)


Isn't Labrador part of NL province?

It is, which is actually why everyone forgets about it.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2025, 02:43:02 PM »
I really hate to say this, and won't over on the Off Topic political threads, but if worst comes to worst I hope the US has its internal collapse before they attack us militarily.  Because trump's rhetoric is not cooling off.  He looks ripe for a heart attack or stroke but so far no such luck.

Of course I would far prefer they right their ship's course, so to speak, but the longer this goes on the harder that will be to do.

Back when I still prayed, I used to thank God my Irish ancestors left before The Troubles.  Now if I were still praying I would be thanking God they came here instead of to the US.  Plus my Scottish great-grandfather took ship from Scotland to New York city, then up the Erie Canal to Ontario.  He could so easily have stayed in the US.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2025, 02:53:04 PM »
I really hate to say this, and won't over on the Off Topic political threads, but if worst comes to worst I hope the US has its internal collapse before they attack us militarily.  Because trump's rhetoric is not cooling off.  He looks ripe for a heart attack or stroke but so far no such luck.

Of course I would far prefer they right their ship's course, so to speak, but the longer this goes on the harder that will be to do.

Back when I still prayed, I used to thank God my Irish ancestors left before The Troubles.  Now if I were still praying I would be thanking God they came here instead of to the US.  Plus my Scottish great-grandfather took ship from Scotland to New York city, then up the Erie Canal to Ontario.  He could so easily have stayed in the US.

Meanwhile I've never totally forgiven my parents for not staying in Denmark.

I follow Reddit groups for cities I'm considering moving to, and holy crap, the folks in Copenhagen have the most benign complaints about their city.

The Irish are in a brutal housing crisis and their healthcare is a mess, so they're filled with piss and vinegar, but the Danes are just like "has anyone noticed that such and such pastries have changed?"

It's literally hilarious to see the difference compared to countries filled with angry people.

I'm also bitter they never taught me Danish. It's not the hardest language to learn, but I'm such a particular communicator and have never overly enjoyed living in a second language.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2025, 03:11:26 PM »
I really hate to say this, and won't over on the Off Topic political threads, but if worst comes to worst I hope the US has its internal collapse before they attack us militarily.  Because trump's rhetoric is not cooling off.  He looks ripe for a heart attack or stroke but so far no such luck.

Of course I would far prefer they right their ship's course, so to speak, but the longer this goes on the harder that will be to do.

Back when I still prayed, I used to thank God my Irish ancestors left before The Troubles.  Now if I were still praying I would be thanking God they came here instead of to the US.  Plus my Scottish great-grandfather took ship from Scotland to New York city, then up the Erie Canal to Ontario.  He could so easily have stayed in the US.

Meanwhile I've never totally forgiven my parents for not staying in Denmark.

I follow Reddit groups for cities I'm considering moving to, and holy crap, the folks in Copenhagen have the most benign complaints about their city.

The Irish are in a brutal housing crisis and their healthcare is a mess, so they're filled with piss and vinegar, but the Danes are just like "has anyone noticed that such and such pastries have changed?"

It's literally hilarious to see the difference compared to countries filled with angry people.

I'm also bitter they never taught me Danish. It's not the hardest language to learn, but I'm such a particular communicator and have never overly enjoyed living in a second language.

Have you ever considered getting a Danish passport?  Insurance, as it were.  If you and DH end up moving to Europe, Denmark might be a nice place to end up.  And let's face it, climate-wise Canadians will feel right at home.

I also suck at languages, but from what I have heard, the Germanic languages are easier for an English-speaker to learn than the Romance languages.

Sadly I am too many generations Canadian to be eligible for any other passport.  That Scottish Great-grandfather was the most recent; the rest are great-greats or more.  Are 4 great-greats = 1 grandparent?   ;-)

And most places don't want senior retirees unless they have buckets of money. I am comfortable, but buckets of money are not in my bank account.   ;-(   You and DH are still working so much more welcome.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2025, 03:20:37 PM »
I really hate to say this, and won't over on the Off Topic political threads, but if worst comes to worst I hope the US has its internal collapse before they attack us militarily.  Because trump's rhetoric is not cooling off.  He looks ripe for a heart attack or stroke but so far no such luck.

Of course I would far prefer they right their ship's course, so to speak, but the longer this goes on the harder that will be to do.

Back when I still prayed, I used to thank God my Irish ancestors left before The Troubles.  Now if I were still praying I would be thanking God they came here instead of to the US.  Plus my Scottish great-grandfather took ship from Scotland to New York city, then up the Erie Canal to Ontario.  He could so easily have stayed in the US.

Meanwhile I've never totally forgiven my parents for not staying in Denmark.

I follow Reddit groups for cities I'm considering moving to, and holy crap, the folks in Copenhagen have the most benign complaints about their city.

The Irish are in a brutal housing crisis and their healthcare is a mess, so they're filled with piss and vinegar, but the Danes are just like "has anyone noticed that such and such pastries have changed?"

It's literally hilarious to see the difference compared to countries filled with angry people.

I'm also bitter they never taught me Danish. It's not the hardest language to learn, but I'm such a particular communicator and have never overly enjoyed living in a second language.

Have you ever considered getting a Danish passport?  Insurance, as it were.  If you and DH end up moving to Europe, Denmark might be a nice place to end up.  And let's face it, climate-wise Canadians will feel right at home.

I also suck at languages, but from what I have heard, the Germanic languages are easier for an English-speaker to learn than the Romance languages.

Sadly I am too many generations Canadian to be eligible for any other passport.  That Scottish Great-grandfather was the most recent; the rest are great-greats or more.  Are 4 great-greats = 1 grandparent?   ;-)

And most places don't want senior retirees unless they have buckets of money. I am comfortable, but buckets of money are not in my bank account.   ;-(   You and DH are still working so much more welcome.

DH already has Irish citizenship, so we can legally live and work anywhere in the EU, and probably the UK due to their agreement with Ireland.

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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2025, 05:08:19 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Checking with some AIs:

Denmark is significantly more homogeneous than the USA: 
Ethnicity: ~86% Danes vs. ~58.9% White Americans—Denmark’s near-monoculture contrasts the U.S.’s pluralism. 
Language: ~98% Danish vs. ~80% English—Denmark’s uniformity shines. 
Religion: ~74% Lutheran vs. ~63% Christian—closer, but Denmark’s less fragmented. 
Quantified: Denmark’s homogeneity score (0.76) dwarfs the U.S.’s (0.40).

People in the USA just don't get along well.   Christians dislike other Christians who don't clap the same way, are terrified of Muslims, and think they have a religious duty to support Judaism.  Whites mistrust Blacks, who mistrust Whites, both mistrust Hispanic, Asians are probably doing something in there.

It is just a mess.  It works so so until you get some group taking power like Trump's, then they just stoke up fears and pit one group against another.


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Re: If Canada became the 51st state...
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2025, 05:28:01 PM »
Denmark is fairly homogeneous both in ethnicity and religion compared to the USA though correct?

Yeah, of course, but my point was that it's amusing how the local chatter in Copenhagen is so wildly different from other cities.

Obviously there are major reasons for that, and it's not all sunshine and roses, there's a huge amount of racism over there. But if I'm looking to leave Canada for somewhere less stressful and where the healthcare is much better, Denmark would be an amazing option, except that I don't speak the language.

So I could get by, but I wouldn't love not being able to socialize optimally. Danes apparently make most of their friends in school and just stick with them, so while they mostly speak English, they don't like to socialize in English and that makes it incredibly difficult for immigrants to make friends unless their Danish is fluent. Because one Dane will speak English but a group of Danes will socialize in Danish and will not welcome someone who requires them to stick to their second language.