Post by: Le Poisson on November 04, 2019, 07:59:10 AM
I have once again spoken with the facility folks, and it appears that the facility will remain closed through the spring of 2021. We should not anticipate a spring event. In the fall, there may still be opportunity for a CMTO-2021 event, however, there are likely to be restrictions on the camp that will make it onerous to organize an event. For the time being we remain in a holding pattern, and will update this space and the email list as soon as new news is available.
As far as a Fall 2021 camp goes, if the facility is even available (which at this point depends on how the handling of the virus looks over the next few months) limits on sleeping quarters, eating arrangements, seating for sessions and recreational activities would greatly reduce our attendee spaces. We would also be very limited in what programming would be available, and the look and feel of camp could be very different.
We will continue to update this space as there is news to share.
Sincerely, Le Fish.
Hello everyone. I just got off the phone with the grand poo-bah of the facility we rent for CM*TO. He tells me that the ongoing COVID situation has forced the closure of the facility right through the fall. This is sad since our camp happens in the fall. I thought about asking if we could pitch tents in the ditch outside the gates, but decided not to.
What is good though is that CM*TO 2020 is now CM*TO 2020-1/2. That's right, we have claimed naming rights to a weekend next spring so the show can go on. We are still working on what that weekend will be, and which round of the draft we get our pick in, but as of now, the plan is to snag something in Q2 2021 for camp (sometime from March to May). For now though, we aren't planning on a fall camp this year.
Another question on our minds is that if we bump our 2020 camp to 2020-1/2, will there still be an appetite for a fall camp in 2021? We're working on that. We're trying to figure out what to do. I'd appreciate hearing what you think.
So folks, I've told you a few times how important it is to me to "Never let your lips make a promise your ass can't keep..." and lately I've been keeping quiet while weighing out the impacts of COVID-19 on CM*TO 2020. The impact right now is... keep on waiting to find out the the impact.
By now we were hoping to have sold tickets, completed a skeleton of an agenda, and have some guidance for you on what the best weekend of your live would look like, but there isn't any of that. And camp still in a holding pattern.
We haven't cancelled camp either though. And I know that forecasting what the world will look like in October is super difficult right now. So for the time being please know that as soon as we can get solid information on how safe it is for you to come to camp, whether our borders are re-opened, and if gatherings of more than 5 people are allowed in the province, we'll pass along an invite and sell tickets and make camp happen... or not.
If the answer is "not" - well, maybe we'll try to put together some sort of a virtual CM*TO or just let the whole thing slide. But for now, we're in the same holding pattern you are. For now, let's all stay healthy, stay alone, and support each other to stay strong through this.
All the best,
The CM*TO Team
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Can you believe that people are already asking about dates for camp in 2020. Like multiple people have asked me about dates. MULTIPLE! And it's a whole year away!
For those planning way in advance, here is some stuff you should know...
CM Toronto (Fall 2020):
1. CM Toronto Session Proposals accepted (proposals for keynote and breakout sessions): March 2020
2. CM Toronto 2020 Lottery Opens (First 150 ppl get into the Lottery): Late April 2020
3. CM Toronto Bunks awarded (75 bunks to be awarded from lottery entrants): Early May 2020
4. CM Toronto: October 2-4, 2020
Note that we have bumped the CM Toronto lottery to spring 2020. In the past we have held the lottery closer to Christmas, but this year we are planning to tighten up the schedule. This is to minimize change, and hopefully to allow folks with variable schedules to have a better handle on things like field postings, project schedules etc. (some folks can't know in January what work will look like in the fall.)
This year in early spring (March) CM*TO will be accepting proposals to form panels, lead breakout sessions, and to be keynote speakers as usual. If your proposal is a winner, you are pretty much guaranteed a spot at camp. It's worth it to be a contributor. However, you should beware that feedback from camp has us thinking about ways to have fewer "set" sessions and more impromptu/organic sessions. We have a balance to maintain here, and will likely follow the CM Seattle pattern of one "track" of FI (financial) topics and another track of RE (lifestyle) topics. When you think about your proposals give yourself a winning chance by including which track it fits in, and who your target audience is. Sessions will be chosen in a Late March Org Committee meeting.
In the spring (April) we will accept 150 names for our lottery. Those names will be entered into a random number generator in Excel, and the first 65 (or so - it's actually 75 minus Org committee and presenters) will be given 3 days to accept their bunk. After 3 days, the remaining bunks will be offered to the remaining people on the lottery list 10 at a time until we sell out. This is the same process we used this year and it worked well. One difference is that we have found an app that allows us to build and manage a ticketing website on Wordpress, so we will try to do that to sell the tickets. This means we will mostly be taking payment through Paypal. It is a far simpler and more streamlined process... As long as we can get the website up and running - something we never tackled last year.
We are considering adding an Org Com Role of Social Media and web admin. If you are local-ish to the Golden Horseshoe area and have the technical and social media abilities to do this, let me know.
Winners of CM*TO 2020 bunks should all know by or Before Victoria Day weekend (Mid-May) if our lottery and bunk sales go as planned. Your payment will be your acceptance of the bunk.
If you haven't already joined the Mailchimp email list, it is your best way to stay on top of the calendar as it proceeds. We will reach out to everyone as dates come up for camp, the lottery, and for presenters. In case you aren't on the list, but you are interested in being part of the 2020 camp, here is the link one more time (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffacebook.us7.list-manage.com%2Fsubscribe%3Fu%3D01bcd110c686819f455522cf9%26id%3D974136b828%26fbclid%3DIwAR22tDKeDivymbnztsqQkOS-S7XnUXdsxPsB2_2flsfwWaOVXfFBE4svr6c&h=AT3-L2h93NXULK8EHuwMsxEcbQcKpwOxbpjYgRiV50SzNR9wLuKxXGZfm4_pbf7ALjjbmbZu6nwO7pGKg9hJPexWV520l4RrRaW-FvsdAU5OhUnvYUHCu4uCeMAfXYLeDmbEjFETiOhhBSIaKRtWJSDmQavExri_ahXT3Qx9TAAhsBJqCDrNiiTxNr57wxt0d-P3RsP5YCMsNPrmao4E4pVwFVJbGbhl9NdHqTkb1rOFjrUFuitCqlEbLulhrxKRqIrokuAv0TGWGX1KYkemqThFoeH4nWTDlbkkxWfOJmgzvmYXUi5hDpJBgz9_w__aP24MYtGRr0P2G54YyVA0-_5Lymmo8f-Yympr9jflh1exy-NAOkY1iZOF3bnFVnB6JYdWtHv1gtvgLZAg1D0DjW2yrdQUZPtdFYDF6GUAxdcmkFRifTeeBXdRA358DdT2T35G2O3A-UdFhPLdBx9fJosA7lQbUkDiu5na-VguZrTsEa2boGbnBtXQdqbZy9dJS-WO2mZDPzZRhKuZWKquk5y_-rqWh_e8T8N9z_HLu1bN1Pov3qxlN_KfuCfG9f3_i_ywcRiYBSMUbJPZEj4d-ujaRSevUIN3v-Olxk-BH3c7AOOHlxp-ac6_8XyVwmWcUHhA_A).
Post by: Le Poisson on November 04, 2019, 08:01:59 AM
@NinetyFour
@thecampguy
@grantmeaname
@Daisy
@elaine amj
@okits
@SnakesintheGrass
@Mrs.Prospector
Post by: NinetyFour on November 04, 2019, 08:24:10 AM
CM Toronto: October 2-4, 2020
Oh! That's much later than I had thought it would be, so I'm glad I asked!
Now I'm wondering if I should adjust the dates for the Moab meetup...there could be a few crazy people who want to do both meetups...
Thanks for all the info, Poisson!
Post by: Le Poisson on November 04, 2019, 10:14:00 AM
CM Toronto: October 2-4, 2020
Oh! That's much later than I had thought it would be, so I'm glad I asked!
Now I'm wondering if I should adjust the dates for the Moab meetup...there could be a few crazy people who want to do both meetups...
Thanks for all the info, Poisson!
I do my best.
Post by: Jessa on November 04, 2019, 11:13:45 AM
Post by: happy on November 04, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
Post by: grantmeaname on November 04, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
Talk proposal: Advertising is dumb and bad and dumb
Post by: Daisy on November 04, 2019, 03:57:18 PM
Post by: oneday on November 04, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
Post by: okits on November 04, 2019, 07:09:54 PM
Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
Post by: oneday on November 04, 2019, 07:13:41 PM
Post by: NinetyFour on November 04, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Sadly, no. However, if I manage to rearrange my life, I'll incorporate these dates into that plan. It's an outside chance, since I've not historically been willing to do much about the job.
Ack!! I need your encouragement on the high ropes course!!!!
Post by: haypug16 on November 05, 2019, 10:40:18 AM
Post by: runningthroughFIRE on November 05, 2019, 12:39:33 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Talk proposal: Advertising is dumb and bad and dumb
What are ads? You still see those? ;)
Whooo! AFAIK I don't have any weddings next year on those dates!
Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
How many people have you invited to get married at CM*TO now?
Post by: Novik on November 05, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
Post by: Le Poisson on November 05, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
No, this is the one where you tell them that the camp has WiFi and they can "work from home" or "Be on call" that day.
Post by: CheapskateWife on November 12, 2019, 01:36:03 PM
Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
Post by: okits on November 12, 2019, 01:48:22 PM
following (just to raise hackles)
Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
So lovely to hear from you, @CheapskateWife ! ❤️ It would be great to see you and CSHubs at camp next year, this time FIREd!
Post by: G-dog on November 12, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
following (just to raise hackles)
Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
You didn’t go to CMTO 2.0 because of your doggo. So is that still an issue?
Post by: Cherry Lane on November 12, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
Well, look who's back! I was just wondering about you. Read a comment about people who disappear after they FIRE and you were the first to come to mind. I hope you are enjoying the retired life.
Pre-ETA: Oh, I see you have a new journal. I'll go take myself over there now.
Post by: PJ on November 12, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
Even though I haven't been around much since the first CMTO, I did see an email in my (generally neglected) personal email.
And boy, the idea of another camp sure does appeal, though it's hard for me to get the weekends away ... hmm, if someone *did* want to get married at CMTO 2020, then I could make the excuse that it's work related after all, couldn't I?
Anyway, have missed you all, sorry I haven't been around. No promises, but it's nice to "see" you!
Post by: G-dog on November 13, 2019, 02:47:23 AM
Hi guys!
Even though I haven't been around much since the first CMTO, I did see an email in my (generally neglected) personal email.
And boy, the idea of another camp sure does appeal, though it's hard for me to get the weekends away ... hmm, if someone *did* want to get married at CMTO 2020, then I could make the excuse that it's work related after all, couldn't I?
Anyway, have missed you all, sorry I haven't been around. No promises, but it's nice to "see" you!
🎼 It’s a nice day for a cheap wedding 🎼
Post by: CheapskateWife on November 13, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
We are going to travel like we did the first year, have the doggos stay with my parents. We didn't do it that way last year because we were already going to be up north in our RV with the doggos. CSKid wants to come too, so that should be fun!following (just to raise hackles)
Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
You didn’t go to CMTO 2.0 because of your doggo. So is that still an issue?
Post by: CheapskateWife on November 13, 2019, 07:54:04 AM
Hi guys!Hi PJ! Welcome back to the fold!
Even though I haven't been around much since the first CMTO, I did see an email in my (generally neglected) personal email.
And boy, the idea of another camp sure does appeal, though it's hard for me to get the weekends away ... hmm, if someone *did* want to get married at CMTO 2020, then I could make the excuse that it's work related after all, couldn't I?
Anyway, have missed you all, sorry I haven't been around. No promises, but it's nice to "see" you!
Post by: CheapskateWife on November 13, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Yeah, yeah, we are the worst. It was alot to process, this retiring thing. Honestly, if we were going to crash and burn, I didn't want to broadcast it...stupid pride and all that. Now that we have over a year in... best decision we ever made, aside from picking eachother of course.Hi guys! We got the email last week and we are so excited about the idea of coming back to Toronto! Last time we got FIRE'd because of CMTO...wondering what this year could bring...
Well, look who's back! I was just wondering about you. Read a comment about people who disappear after they FIRE and you were the first to come to mind. I hope you are enjoying the retired life.
Pre-ETA: Oh, I see you have a new journal. I'll go take myself over there now.
Post by: PoutineLover on November 13, 2019, 08:08:46 AM
Post by: G-dog on November 13, 2019, 08:26:13 AM
Posting to follow. One of these days I'd love to go to a Camp Mustache, but I'm not sure if I can convince my partner that it would be a fun time. He doesn't see the appeal of meeting up with internet friends/strangers. Now if I can sell it as a possible wedding venue...
The plan is really started to come together <rubs hands gleefully>
Post by: okits on November 13, 2019, 11:31:00 AM
Posting to follow. One of these days I'd love to go to a Camp Mustache, but I'm not sure if I can convince my partner that it would be a fun time. He doesn't see the appeal of meeting up with internet friends/strangers. Now if I can sell it as a possible wedding venue...
The plan is really started to come together <rubs hands gleefully>
I LOVE WEDDINGS! 😃❤️🎂
Post by: thecampguy on November 13, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
Posting to follow. One of these days I'd love to go to a Camp Mustache, but I'm not sure if I can convince my partner that it would be a fun time. He doesn't see the appeal of meeting up with internet friends/strangers. Now if I can sell it as a possible wedding venue...
The plan is really started to come together <rubs hands gleefully>
I LOVE WEDDINGS! 😃❤️🎂
I love CMTO more! The people tend to be way less Bride/Groomzilla like
Post by: CheapskateWife on November 13, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
And I bet you at least one of these online weirdos can perform a legal wedding ceremony.
Post by: PJ on November 13, 2019, 09:13:34 PM
This is genius! Get married and then play volleyhockeyball at the reception. And no-one at the wedding would be family per se so no one making unreasonable demands on "your special day"
And I bet you at least one of these online weirdos can perform a legal wedding ceremony.
Umm, yup! I sure can. Official, authorized wedding provider. Anglican liturgy. Marriage license and some marriage prep sessions required. I do make people talk about their financial future as part of that, by the way!
Post by: oneday on November 13, 2019, 10:52:29 PM
Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
No, this is the one where you tell them that the camp has WiFi and they can "work from home" or "Be on call" that day.
:'(
No WFH allowed during the first 7 business days of the month. I would need to get a different job, probably in a different field (not accounting), in order to make those dates.
Post by: deborah on November 13, 2019, 11:41:53 PM
This is not approved!Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
No, this is the one where you tell them that the camp has WiFi and they can "work from home" or "Be on call" that day.
:'(
No WFH allowed during the first 7 business days of the month. I would need to get a different job, probably in a different field (not accounting), in order to make those dates.
Post by: oneday on November 16, 2019, 04:43:58 PM
This is not approved!Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
No, this is the one where you tell them that the camp has WiFi and they can "work from home" or "Be on call" that day.
:'(
No WFH allowed during the first 7 business days of the month. I would need to get a different job, probably in a different field (not accounting), in order to make those dates.
I'll let you negotiate with my boss :D
Post by: nancyfrank232 on November 19, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
Post by: Lews Therin on November 19, 2019, 09:20:04 PM
This is genius! Get married and then play volleyhockeyball at the reception. And no-one at the wedding would be family per se so no one making unreasonable demands on "your special day"
And I bet you at least one of these online weirdos can perform a legal wedding ceremony.
Umm, yup! I sure can. Official, authorized wedding provider. Anglican liturgy. Marriage license and some marriage prep sessions required. I do make people talk about their financial future as part of that, by the way!
I can too. Just bring your own strainer, and/or pirate costumes, and we'll mail the certificates to New Zealand.
May your love be touched by His Noodly Appendages .
Post by: oneday on December 01, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
This is not approved!Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.Camp dates are problematic in my current job. Good to know sooner...get the disappointment over sooner.
!! ☹️
I guess my usual "just tell your friends to get married at CM*TO, the venue hosts weddings" advice doesn't apply here? 😞👎
No, this is the one where you tell them that the camp has WiFi and they can "work from home" or "Be on call" that day.
:'(
No WFH allowed during the first 7 business days of the month. I would need to get a different job, probably in a different field (not accounting), in order to make those dates.
I'll let you negotiate with my boss :D
Negotiations with The Boss have begun :)
Post by: thecampguy on December 07, 2019, 09:31:11 AM
I tried to get out of attending a wedding to go to CM*TO 2018 but it didnit fly with my boss (The SO).
I'm pullin' for ya!
Post by: Le Poisson on January 06, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
I really encourage you to also join the email list to keep abreast of all things CM*TO and to be among the first to hear about tickets.
Post by: oneday on January 06, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
Big news!! CM Seattle posted about CMTO on their Facebook page after their camp sold out (in 30 seconds or so). As a direct result, our email list has grown to over 400 names, and our FB page picked up a load of new followers. We may have more competition for tickets this year... and a deeper pool of speakers.
I really encourage you to also join the email list to keep abreast of all things CM*TO and to be among the first to hear about tickets.
If we attended camp last year, are we already on the mailing list?
Post by: Le Poisson on January 06, 2020, 07:20:46 PM
Big news!! CM Seattle posted about CMTO on their Facebook page after their camp sold out (in 30 seconds or so). As a direct result, our email list has grown to over 400 names, and our FB page picked up a load of new followers. We may have more competition for tickets this year... and a deeper pool of speakers.
I really encourage you to also join the email list to keep abreast of all things CM*TO and to be among the first to hear about tickets.
If we attended camp last year, are we already on the mailing list?
Sure are!
Post by: oneday on January 06, 2020, 08:14:13 PM
Big news!! CM Seattle posted about CMTO on their Facebook page after their camp sold out (in 30 seconds or so). As a direct result, our email list has grown to over 400 names, and our FB page picked up a load of new followers. We may have more competition for tickets this year... and a deeper pool of speakers.
I really encourage you to also join the email list to keep abreast of all things CM*TO and to be among the first to hear about tickets.
If we attended camp last year, are we already on the mailing list?
Sure are!
Woo!
Post by: deborah on March 12, 2020, 02:55:16 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on March 12, 2020, 05:17:11 AM
Is there any mail coming out?
Nope.
Nothing to report yet. The lottery is planned for May, and until then we are watching Corona nervously and seeing what our Gov't (and the US gov't) does about travel. We should have an update sometime in April to get everyone ready for a May lottery.
Post by: Le Poisson on March 12, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
CM Toronto: October 2-4, 2020
Oh! That's much later than I had thought it would be, so I'm glad I asked!
Now I'm wondering if I should adjust the dates for the Moab meetup...there could be a few crazy people who want to do both meetups...
Thanks for all the info, Poisson!
Hey bud, what are the dates for Moab this year? I can't see that thread in the Camp Mustache folder. Maybe just link me to the thread??
Post by: Le Poisson on March 31, 2020, 09:59:27 AM
So folks, I've told you a few times how important it is to me to "Never let your lips make a promise your ass can't keep..." and lately I've been keeping quiet while weighing out the impacts of COVID-19 on CM*TO 2020. The impact right now is... keep on waiting to find out the the impact.
By now we were hoping to have sold tickets, completed a skeleton of an agenda, and have some guidance for you on what the best weekend of your live would look like, but there isn't any of that. And camp still in a holding pattern.
We haven't cancelled camp either though. And I know that forecasting what the world will look like in October is super difficult right now. So for the time being please know that as soon as we can get solid information on how safe it is for you to come to camp, whether our borders are re-opened, and if gatherings of more than 5 people are allowed in the province, we'll pass along an invite and sell tickets and make camp happen... or not.
If the answer is "not" - well, maybe we'll try to put together some sort of a virtual CM*TO or just let the whole thing slide. But for now, we're in the same holding pattern you are. For now, let's all stay healthy, stay alone, and support each other to stay strong through this.
All the best,
The CM*TO Team
Post by: Lews Therin on March 31, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: deborah on March 31, 2020, 01:21:23 PM
Post by: elaine amj on March 31, 2020, 01:41:26 PM
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Post by: Daisy on March 31, 2020, 01:45:15 PM
Stay safe, my fellow North Americans. Oh, and those Down Under too.
Post by: Le Poisson on March 31, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
With all the lost bookings, the camp is relying on donations from their supporters to cover operating expenses until they can once again offer programming and rentals, but so far, everyone is still working and doing their best to keep things running. Paul sounds upbeat, but concerned for the camp, for the kids, and for his partner and himself.
If you want to support Camp Trillium, you can do that here: https://camptrillium.com/ - they have a donation spot on the bottom of the page.
Post by: deborah on April 09, 2020, 06:43:20 PM
Post by: Lews Therin on April 09, 2020, 07:55:48 PM
CIBC's name in the stock exchange is CM.TO
This seems like a conspiracy theory in the making.
Is Fish actually the CEO of CIBC?
Is CM*TO just a front for the banking industry?
YOU MUST COME TO THE NEXT ONE TO FIND OUT.
Post by: okits on April 09, 2020, 08:15:14 PM
Is CM*TO just a front for the banking industry?
I always thought the Canadian banking industry needed more cowbell.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 09, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
Is CM*TO just a front for the banking industry?
I always thought the Canadian banking industry needed more cowbell.
Who are you calling a ding-a-ling?
Post by: thecampguy on April 21, 2020, 06:28:04 PM
everyone is still working and doing their best to keep things running.
Hi Everyone!
If you were curious, we are still reaching our camp kiddos and their families... Just a bit differently than usual. Never in all my years would I have thought a virtual campfire would be a thing, let alone be the best part of the day for so many of our campers.
Just wanted to say a quick hello and send out some positive vibes!
Stay safe and keep smiling!
thecampguy
Post by: G-dog on April 21, 2020, 06:30:36 PM
everyone is still working and doing their best to keep things running.
Hi Everyone!
If you were curious, we are still reaching our camp kiddos and their families... Just a bit differently than usual. Never in all my years would I have thought a virtual campfire would be a thing, let alone be the best part of the day for so many of our campers.
Just wanted to say a quick hello and send out some positive vibes!
Stay safe and keep smiling!
thecampguy
You must be too young to remember the cable channel showing a fire in a fireplace.....
Post by: vector on April 22, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
Hi Paul,
everyone is still working and doing their best to keep things running.
Hi Everyone!
If you were curious, we are still reaching our camp kiddos and their families... Just a bit differently than usual. Never in all my years would I have thought a virtual campfire would be a thing, let alone be the best part of the day for so many of our campers.
Just wanted to say a quick hello and send out some positive vibes!
Stay safe and keep smiling!
thecampguy
That's very nice of you! Ah, I loved that campfire...
V
Post by: okits on April 22, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
Post by: rockstache on April 22, 2020, 02:27:45 PM
And thanks again for your kindness and support when I locked my baby in the car. :)
Post by: Le Poisson on July 16, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
COVID-19 UPDATE#2 - July 16, 2020
Hello everyone. I just got off the phone with the grand poo-bah of the facility we rent for CM*TO. He tells me that the ongoing COVID situation has forced the closure of the facility right through the fall. This is sad since our camp happens in the fall. I thought about asking if we could pitch tents in the ditch outside the gates, but decided not to.
What is good though is that CM*TO 2020 is now CM*TO 2020-1/2. That's right, we have claimed naming rights to a weekend next spring so the show can go on. We are still working on what that weekend will be, and which round of the draft we get our pick in, but as of now, the plan is to snag something in Q2 2021 for camp (sometime from March to May). For now though, we aren't planning on a fall camp this year.
Another question on our minds is that if we bump our 2020 camp to 2020-1/2, will there still be an appetite for a fall camp in 2021? We're working on that. We're trying to figure out what to do. I'd appreciate hearing what you think.
Post by: Lews Therin on July 16, 2020, 02:31:19 PM
Post by: grantmeaname on July 16, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: Le Poisson on July 16, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
There was a waitlist last year, right? Two camps is effectively twice as many spots, which would let some diehards go twice and let you have twice as many spots for the people only interested in one CMTO next year.
Yup - also pondering the value of 2 smaller camps vs one.
I'd possibly be in, depending on dates.
We'll possibly invite you, depending on how many socks you bring.
Post by: Lews Therin on July 16, 2020, 03:34:28 PM
And grants' SO will throw them in the lake, that way only she can get the socks.
Also, FIRE'd. No more sock pipeline.
Post by: grantmeaname on July 16, 2020, 03:54:22 PM
Post by: okits on July 16, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
no sock pipeline, no invite
Wow, tough crowd.
Post by: Le Poisson on July 16, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
no sock pipeline, no inviteHow's your jiffy pile looking? We've got to make it to spring on what we've got.
Post by: Lews Therin on July 16, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
no sock pipeline, no inviteHow's your jiffy pile looking? We've got to make it to spring on what we've got.
Fine, I'll see if I have some non-retired friends who can funnel me some. Then you can trade me Jiffy's, and then I'll bribe the fish to get the invite.
This is almost a text-adventure game.
What would have happened if I had gone north? Killed by a grue?*
*REFERENCE HUMOR!
Post by: Cherry Lane on July 16, 2020, 07:46:30 PM
Post by: Lews Therin on July 16, 2020, 07:52:59 PM
Post by: Road To Avonlea on July 16, 2020, 09:34:41 PM
Post by: deborah on July 16, 2020, 10:52:13 PM
Post by: Lews Therin on July 17, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
I missed the socks?
I brought military socks for Grant`s SO because last year her feet were cold and I went and grabbed my excessively warm military ones, and offered to bring more the next year.
Others around got some because I brought more than she needed. (They were immediately taken)
Post by: okits on July 17, 2020, 11:18:38 AM
Post by: Lews Therin on July 17, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on July 17, 2020, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: Lews Therin on July 17, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
Canada's Army - with the warmest feet in NATO.
Pretty sure Norway gear kicks our asses.
Post by: Le Poisson on July 17, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
Canada's Army - with the warmest feet in NATO.
Pretty sure Norway gear kicks our asses.
"Join the Canadian Forces! We're still shopping for jets, and Norway has better socks."
Post by: Daisy on July 17, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
So sad I won't get my usual dose of fall fluff this year.
Take care all!
Post by: Cherry Lane on July 17, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
Post by: deborah on July 17, 2020, 08:00:05 PM
It’s difficult to leave Australia at the moment. You have to have an amazing reason to get permission to leave the country. We’re finally actually getting covid19 here - before a few weeks ago, it was almost all people from overseas (Australians are still coming back in), but now there’s actually some community transmission despite quarantine. They’re telling us it’s probably under control.
So it would take Australia opening up to let people out, and the travel insurance people providing health insurance for Australians going to Canada. In the past all such insurance is for North America, and I can’t see that being offered for a while. Certainly not before March - May.
I’d expect that you could only run the first camp with Canadians. I suspect that Canada won’t be letting others in at that stage - the US will spend most of the rest of this year not controlling the spread, and then they might as well start developing herd immunity.
The second camp is a remote possibility.
Post by: Daisy on July 17, 2020, 09:45:37 PM
Seriously though at this rate I doubt a spring CMTO is doable for your southern neighbors @Le Poisson .
Post by: oneday on July 18, 2020, 12:13:28 AM
I missed the socks?
I brought military socks for Grant`s SO because last year her feet were cold and I went and grabbed my excessively warm military ones, and offered to bring more the next year.
Others around got some because I brought more than she needed. (They were immediately taken)
I am intrigued by these socks. Could they be warmer than the ones I make for myself???
Post by: Lews Therin on July 18, 2020, 06:14:11 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on July 18, 2020, 06:24:58 AM
Seriously though at this rate I doubt a spring CMTO is doable for your southern neighbors @Le Poisson .
We are very aware that it will be touch-n-go on whether or not a spring camp is possible for anyone. We've put our name in the draft to snag a spring weekend, but at this point we aren't announcing (or planning) anything more than that. Everything is pending outcomes with the pandemic, the camp's policy, and our own levels of comfort with travel and gatherings.
I'm hoping that we can manage some sort of a CM*TO-lite. If this does go ahead, it may end up being a Canadian only event. heck, it may end up being an Ontario only event - or even a southern Ontario Only event. who knows. It all depends on winter infection rates, spring recovery rates, and levels of comfort for folks travelling.
Post by: elaine amj on July 20, 2020, 08:34:05 PM
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Post by: Road To Avonlea on July 21, 2020, 01:10:03 PM
BL####### Can you put the details from logistik on here? I don't any opened massive wool socks available.
Post by: Lews Therin on July 21, 2020, 02:55:14 PM
Post by: Road To Avonlea on July 21, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I meant more the wool/recommended temperature details.
The logistik website does not offer any more than the line description, nato stock number and photo.
The packaging does not provide temperature rating but provides the breakdown of 78% wool, 21% nylon and 1% spandex. But yes they are very warm... I will begin amassing inventory.
Post by: oneday on July 22, 2020, 01:57:16 AM
I meant more the wool/recommended temperature details.
The logistik website does not offer any more than the line description, nato stock number and photo.
The packaging does not provide temperature rating but provides the breakdown of 78% wool, 21% nylon and 1% spandex. But yes they are very warm... I will begin amassing inventory.
I typically use 80%-90% wool 10%-20% nylon yarn on mine. Yours might be warmer *if* made from thicker yarn. Now, I could use yak, alpaca or bison in place of sheeps wool and mine would be orders of magnitude warmer. But I don't have temp ratings on mine, either!
They are cuter, though.
Post by: Lews Therin on July 22, 2020, 07:51:14 AM
Also, the wool is terrible and itchy, and must be worn with another sock underneath in order to keep from going insane.
Post by: oneday on July 22, 2020, 06:45:18 PM
Post by: RetiredAt63 on July 23, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: oneday on July 24, 2020, 12:37:44 AM
:)
Post by: Cherry Lane on October 01, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
Post by: deborah on October 01, 2020, 10:14:28 PM
Post by: okits on October 01, 2020, 10:44:59 PM
I had a sad when my calendar alerted me CMTO 2020 starts in a few hours.
Yeah. :( It's still in my calendar, too.
There'd be some interesting stories around the campfire this year, that's for sure.
Post by: Jessa on October 02, 2020, 03:42:33 AM
I had a sad when my calendar alerted me CMTO 2020 starts in a few hours.Solidarity, my friend.
Post by: Le Poisson on October 02, 2020, 06:56:18 AM
Except for @Jon_Snow He'd be out running a marathon or something crazy like that.
Post by: rockstache on October 02, 2020, 07:40:07 AM
It's cool here. I think we'd all be enjoying coffee around a fire someplace.That sounds so lovely. Except for the marathon thingy. I miss you all this year. Hope to be back with you again soon.
Except for @Jon_Snow He'd be out running a marathon or something crazy like that.
Post by: okits on October 02, 2020, 08:04:39 AM
It's cool here. I think we'd all be enjoying coffee around a fire someplace.
Except for @Jon_Snow He'd be out running a marathon or something crazy like that.
No! He'd be biking around the campground! You converted him, remember?
Post by: Le Poisson on October 02, 2020, 08:39:03 AM
It's cool here. I think we'd all be enjoying coffee around a fire someplace.
Except for @Jon_Snow He'd be out running a marathon or something crazy like that.
No! He'd be biking around the campground! You converted him, remember?
That was the weekend I got him in a canoe and on a bike... It was like a biathlon, but I didn't have to break a sweat.
Post by: elaine amj on October 02, 2020, 09:08:50 AM
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Post by: Daisy on October 02, 2020, 12:58:33 PM
Post by: okits on October 02, 2020, 01:03:42 PM
I should be burning the candle on both ends with late nights followed by early morning workouts...
Yeah. How are you and DH going to party-animal-it-up instead?
Post by: deborah on October 02, 2020, 01:38:34 PM
Post by: Daisy on October 02, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Missing my roomie!
You might be missing me more if you learned I was on a new snoring reduction therapy!
Post by: Daisy on October 02, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
Missing my roomie!
I think we all need a Deborah update. What does Deborah do when a world-wide travel ban messes up all of her plans?
Post by: deborah on October 02, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
You obviously haven’t been following my journal. I’ve been on xanthorrhoea watch. Seventeen years ago I planted three baby xanthorrhoeas. They don’t like being transplanted and usually die. Two survived, and gradually grew. Xanthorrhoeas are also called grass trees. They start with one leaf. After they’re a couple of years old they get three leaves (this is when I got mine). After twenty years they may have enough leaves that they form a hemisphere, and begin to grow a trunk (the trunk is actually leaves), at the rate of a centimetre or two a year (less than an inch). Mine are just at the stage that the trunk may be beginning to form.Missing my roomie!
I think we all need a Deborah update. What does Deborah do when a world-wide travel ban messes up all of her plans?
We had fires this year. For four months I was stuck indoors because of all the smoke, and for a number of days during that time the air pollution station a few streets away recorded the worst pollution on earth. For a few weeks I could see the fires from my house. We are usually one of the cleanest places on earth.
Xanthorrhoeas flower when there is fire, and rarely otherwise. In fact, they rarely flower. Every Xanthorrhoea in my part of Australia is flowering now. Every national park I’ve been to lately has masses of flowering xanthorrhoea. It is absolutely the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Especially when the park has been badly burnt in the fires, like most of the parks around here were.
Even one of my xanthorrhoea is flowering. I’m taking pictures of it every day and putting them on my journal. The flower spike is now 1.22 metres above the plant, and the flowers still haven’t opened, after 29 days. So, although the flower spike is growing really fast, the flowers are taking their time, just like the plant itself does.
Apart from that, @happy and I have been having a wonderful time regularly camping in national parks together for a couple of days at a time. We’re gradually visiting parks we’ve never seen. Although the borders are closed between states here, there are over 300 National Parks in the state/area so we’ve got plenty of options.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on October 02, 2020, 03:07:05 PM
This time next year.
Post by: Daisy on October 02, 2020, 03:11:37 PM
You obviously haven’t been following my journal. I’ve been on xanthorrhoea watch. Seventeen years ago I planted three baby xanthorrhoeas. They don’t like being transplanted and usually die. Two survived, and gradually grew. Xanthorrhoeas are also called grass trees. They start with one leaf. After they’re a couple of years old they get three leaves (this is when I got mine). After twenty years they may have enough leaves that they form a hemisphere, and begin to grow a trunk (the trunk is actually leaves), at the rate of a centimetre or two a year (less than an inch). Mine are just at the stage that the trunk may be beginning to form.Missing my roomie!
I think we all need a Deborah update. What does Deborah do when a world-wide travel ban messes up all of her plans?
We had fires this year. For four months I was stuck indoors because of all the smoke, and for a number of days during that time the air pollution station a few streets away recorded the worst pollution on earth. For a few weeks I could see the fires from my house. We are usually one of the cleanest places on earth.
Xanthorrhoeas flower when there is fire, and rarely otherwise. In fact, they rarely flower. Every Xanthorrhoea in my part of Australia is flowering now. Every national park I’ve been to lately has masses of flowering xanthorrhoea. It is absolutely the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Especially when the park has been badly burnt in the fires, like most of the parks around here were.
Even one of my xanthorrhoea is flowering. I’m taking pictures of it every day and putting them on my journal. The flower spike is now 1.22 metres above the plant, and the flowers still haven’t opened, after 29 days. So, although the flower spike is growing really fast, the flowers are taking their time, just like the plant itself does.
Apart from that, @happy and I have been having a wonderful time regularly camping in national parks together for a couple of days at a time. We’re gradually visiting parks we’ve never seen. Although the borders are closed between states here, there are over 300 National Parks in the state/area so we’ve got plenty of options.
Yes you just outed me as a non-journal reader.
I'm glad to hear your xanthorrhoea is doing OK. I must admit, my first thought when I read the name of this flower kind of reminded me of a not-so-nice disease, so I am glad I read a little further and realized I should not be worried about your health. ;-)
Yes, this is a good time to get to know your own area better...be a tourist in your own country/state! I have also been doing the same paddling much more of my local waters now that the travelling away option is on hold.
Post by: elaine amj on October 02, 2020, 08:34:41 PM
It's cold and rainy here and cold and cloudy there, we would be huddling around the campfire in rain gear. Or in the main dining room playing board games.Yep - pretty cold and rainy all day. Tomorrow I go canoeing in honor of CM*TO. I'll skip the falling into the lake part though.
This time next year.
@deborah now I got to go get updated on your journal to see that flower (I won't try to spell it though!)
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Post by: oneday on October 03, 2020, 01:08:06 AM
It's cold and rainy here and cold and cloudy there, we would be huddling around the campfire in rain gear. Or in the main dining room playing board games.Yep - pretty cold and rainy all day. Tomorrow I go canoeing in honor of CM*TO. I'll skip the falling into the lake part though.
This time next year.
@deborah now I got to go get updated on your journal to see that flower (I won't try to spell it though!)
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The secret to spelling xanthorrhoea is copy and paste.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on October 04, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
The secret to spelling xanthorrhoea is copy and paste.
Cut and paste is a blessing. ;-)
Post by: NinetyFour on October 08, 2020, 09:33:08 AM
Post by: elaine amj on October 08, 2020, 07:24:19 PM
VOLLEYHOCKEYBALL!!!!!
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Post by: Le Poisson on October 08, 2020, 11:03:37 PM
VOLLEYHOCKEYBALL!!!!!
There is no such thing as Volleyhockeyball.
Post by: deborah on October 09, 2020, 12:32:47 AM
It's what you play in CM*TO*AUS. After all, we're down under. With REAL hockey sticks.VOLLEYHOCKEYBALL!!!!!
There is no such thing as Volleyhockeyball.
Post by: grantmeaname on February 01, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Post by: Lews Therin on February 01, 2021, 09:17:12 AM
Obviously it's still too early to decide anything today but it's encouraging for my fall weekend plans that COVID numbers seem to be heading in the right direction...
I can't believe that your country has already ordered every single dose needed to vaccinate every single person.
What a change one person can make.
If the States is one of the fastest to vaccinate everyone and return to normal, I'm gonna be so insulted.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on February 01, 2021, 09:27:11 AM
Obviously it's still too early to decide anything today but it's encouraging for my fall weekend plans that COVID numbers seem to be heading in the right direction...
I can't believe that your country has already ordered every single dose needed to vaccinate every single person.
What a change one person can make.
If the States is one of the fastest to vaccinate everyone and return to normal, I'm gonna be so insulted.
One person makes such a difference. Can we have an Ontario election tomorrow and get rid of Doug Ford?
Post by: grantmeaname on February 01, 2021, 10:08:45 AM
Post by: RetiredAt63 on February 01, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
I have it on good authority that there's an unemployed broke former politician with experience leading a major nation during a covid crisis, and he's open to international assignments beyond the reach of his creditors, if you want me to send you his resume!
No, thanks anyway. ;-)
Post by: Le Poisson on February 01, 2021, 10:16:18 AM
But thanks for reminding me that I need to reach back to the camp about our spring dates. Given current COVID numbers, I'm pretty sure we don't need to pull out the suitcases.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on February 01, 2021, 10:24:47 AM
I mean, we can all hope, but I'm beyond hoping too hard with anything related to leaving the house right now.
But thanks for reminding me that I need to reach back to the camp about our spring dates. Given current COVID numbers, I'm pretty sure we don't need to pull out the suitcases.
I think we can forget a spring camp. But a fall one looks possible, maybe?
Post by: Le Poisson on February 10, 2021, 12:04:18 PM
The camp will not be open for this spring. A fall camp is a possibility with many restrictions, depending on how the COVID-19 situation evolves over the summer.
Post by: okits on February 10, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
Post by: Daisy on February 24, 2021, 03:54:12 PM
I hope you are all doing well!
Post by: arebelspy on April 01, 2021, 10:51:28 AM
Miss you guys.
Post by: Jessa on April 01, 2021, 11:31:43 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 01, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
I do know that for Canadians coming into Canada by air, there is a requirement for a negative COVID test, plus a 2-week quarantine at a state mandated hotel which comes with a $350 per night bill. There are many news stories about people being unprepared for the cost of the hotel stay. I can't say what we are doing about people returning home by land, or what happens when a non-resident arrives by land.
We are on hold with everything right now.
Post by: arebelspy on April 01, 2021, 05:30:33 PM
Post by: okits on April 01, 2021, 06:30:55 PM
Yeah, border is closed to us right now. In five months though once the vaccine is widely distributed up there I'd expect things to be different.
They may very well be. It seems a long way away but once we have mass vaccination more things will open up as people decide to live with "acceptable risk" and our healthcare system can deal with the reduced number of people who do get seriously ill.
With the amount of uncertainty involved I wouldn't advise much planning beyond "maybe we'll all meet at this hotel on this weekend". Cancellable reservations, cancellable transportation arrangements. (Everyone has saved their travel hacked points and/or made out like a bandit with equities and real estate? I expect probably yes.) People can lead informal break out sessions or give talks if they want. I suspect many of us have learned some valuable things over the course of the pandemic and there will be no shortage of experienced FI folks to chat with anyone just starting their journey.
Post by: deborah on April 01, 2021, 06:37:52 PM
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 01, 2021, 08:24:08 PM
Our vaccinations are going very slowly - partly due to other countries stopping our vaccines coming here. We were supposed to have 4million vaccinated by now but 600,000 are done. Who knows how long it’s going to take. I suspect Canada is in a similar situation.
We actually have a lot of vaccines coming in right now. The big question is if the provinces have the capacity to handle them. And of course it could be interrupted at any time.
For Americans coming over the border, the big question will not be how the vaccines are doing in Canada, other than if facilities are opening up. It will be how the vaccinations went in the US/other countries, and if the US/other country numbers are low enough to open up the border on a selective basis. Unfortunately when I look in my crystal ball all I see is snow.
Post by: arebelspy on April 01, 2021, 10:08:23 PM
They keep moving vaccine eligibility dates forward here. We're about to the point of anyone who wants one can get one.
And once the US is saturated (say, early to mid summer?) that opens a lot more vaccine availability to other countries (the manufacturers won't just slow down production cause US isn't ordering as much).
It's been rough, but I see reasons for positivity. :)
Post by: NinetyFour on June 06, 2021, 03:41:06 PM
Post by: grantmeaname on June 09, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: Cannot Wait! on June 09, 2021, 06:19:45 PM
Post by: Le Poisson on June 09, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
How are you fine northerners doing with your vaccines? Is there any world where CM*TO '22 happens? I miss youse guys
Could it happen, and will it happen.
It could happen. We do have another hold on the camp. As we did for fall of last year and spring of this year. The camp has cancelled all summer programming. The fall season is supposed to be going forward. The hold is very tentative based on COVID case counts, vaccinations, etc.
I am loathe to make any sort of a big for sure announcement until I have more confidence in the whole situation. For the time being we are very much in suspended animation... as we have grown accustomed to.
Post by: okits on June 09, 2021, 09:18:07 PM
I'd be up for a fall meetup!
🤔 What would be a good locale convenient-ish to interested people?
Currently the border is still closed but that may change in the coming months.
CM*TO 2022 would be more than a year away so... 🔮🤷🏻♀️. But I hope so. 🤞
Post by: secondcor521 on June 09, 2021, 11:54:31 PM
What would be a good locale convenient-ish to interested people?
Vancouver BC or Calgary, AB for me. But Toronto, ON would also work.
(Is that how the cool kid Canadians write their cities? Probably not. Meh.)
Post by: RetiredAt63 on June 10, 2021, 07:21:14 AM
What would be a good locale convenient-ish to interested people?
Vancouver BC or Calgary, AB for me. But Toronto, ON would also work.
(Is that how the cool kid Canadians write their cities? Probably not. Meh.)
For the big cities, we know which is in which province.
So Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Halifax are all gimmees re province. We conserve our energy for important things like hockeyvolleybasketball, why type extra letters?
Post by: Daisy on June 11, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
Post by: Cherry Lane on June 11, 2021, 02:35:28 PM
The furthest north I am going this year is North Dakota and Minnesota...in August.
Well, that doesn't rule out Camp, which is considerably south of North Dakota.
Post by: Daisy on June 11, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
The furthest north I am going this year is North Dakota and Minnesota...in August.
Well, that doesn't rule out Camp, which is considerably south of North Dakota.
I forgot how intelligent FIRE people are. Some more intelligent than me apparently.
Post by: deborah on June 11, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
Post by: Embok on June 16, 2021, 06:39:37 PM
Post by: Le Poisson on June 16, 2021, 07:15:20 PM
Missing all you CM*TO folks! Here's hoping for 2022.
We do have a (very) tentative Fall 2021 date from the camp. I am not releasing it though until Ontario can assure us of a meaningful reopening framework, AND the camp has put in place policy around international visitors, sanitizing, and so forth.
Ontario is nearing 80% with a first vaccination, and 20% with a full vaccination. This gives me some confidence. I would be afraid to sell folks tickets and then have them have to go through a similar quarantine to what @UnleashHell did in England... it just wouldn't make sense to spend 10 days in quarantine for a three day camp.
Depending on what the reopening framework looks like, we may end up having:
- no camp; or
- an "Ontario-only" camp; or
- a vaccinated only camp; or
- an all-welcome camp.
At this point... no one knows. We continue to be in a holding pattern, but as soon as assurances come to us, Momma and I will kick into high gear to put on the best camp we can in the circumstances we're given - even if that camp is just a show up and hang out style of weekend.
Post by: UnleashHell on June 16, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
This gives me some confidence. I would be afraid to sell folks tickets and then have them have to go through a similar quarantine to what @UnleashHell did in England...
you have to spend 10 full days in your parents 600 sqft house? Thats a steep price to pay man.....
Post by: Le Poisson on June 16, 2021, 09:40:24 PM
This gives me some confidence. I would be afraid to sell folks tickets and then have them have to go through a similar quarantine to what @UnleashHell did in England...
you have to spend 10 full days in your parents 600 sqft house? Thats a steep price to pay man.....
It would make for some pretty interesting discussions if we quarantined all the Americanos in my folks' house.
Edit to add... Ontario's current vaccination/Covid status according to Dr. Kwan - my favourite medical statistician:
JUNE 16: #COVID19 in #Ontario
384 cases, 12 deaths, 722 resolved*
28076 tests/day, 13336 pending, 1.5% pos
438 hospitalized (377 in ICU)
11,732,414 vaccinations (+202,984)
73.7% of age 12+ ≥1 dose
(17.0% = 2 doses)
If we keep up at this pace, we should have the whole province done in time for camp. Fingers crossed.
Post by: Jessa on June 17, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
even if that camp is just a show up and hang out style of weekend.
I would totally be in for that. I miss you guys.
Post by: NinetyFour on June 17, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
even if that camp is just a show up and hang out style of weekend.
I would totally be in for that. I miss you guys.
Moi, aussi. “Show up and hangout” is my favoUrite kind of weekend!
Post by: oneday on June 17, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
even if that camp is just a show up and hang out style of weekend.
I would totally be in for that. I miss you guys.
Moi, aussi. “Show up and hangout” is my favoUrite kind of weekend!
Yes! No agenda means no forced choice between two great workshops. I would miss morning tabatas, though. That could still be a thing, right?
Post by: ToTheMoon on June 17, 2021, 10:20:29 PM
I have already had my two pokes so am good to go if travelling inter-provincially is not considered a no-go at that point!
Keep us updated whenever you are able. I will be waiting not-so-patiently...
TTM
Post by: elaine amj on June 18, 2021, 01:04:29 AM
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Post by: Jessa on June 18, 2021, 07:13:41 AM
It's been really encouraging seeing the vaxx stats go up and up and up. I'm hoping for my second dose in the next few weeks. I'm eligible to book on Monday!!!!
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If it's anything like it is here, the beginning is the tough part, but then it goes up exponentially from there. In February we had very few people, by May everyone who wanted one had at least an appointment.
Post by: Le Poisson on June 21, 2021, 05:19:37 PM
It looks like CM*TO 2020 has been delayed to spring of 2022. I'll let everyone know if and when there is any other update. The camp is not opening up to outside groups until after Thanksgiving just to be safe. The first available date after thanksgiving isn't until well into 2022.
I'm bummed, but I get it too.
If folks are up to it, we can try for a late season campout. Like in tents. I may know a spot. Or we can go to Moab or something. I am actively seeking input.
Post by: shadowmoss on June 21, 2021, 08:19:30 PM
Post by: Dicey on June 21, 2021, 08:24:01 PM
I vote Moab. More or less my back yard and I could attend.Me, too. Not in my backyard, but I know the way. No tent camping for my old ass though. RV camping for the win, baby!
Post by: elaine amj on June 21, 2021, 09:45:42 PM
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Post by: Le Poisson on June 22, 2021, 06:02:41 AM
Post by: RetiredAt63 on June 22, 2021, 06:46:03 AM
Post by: NinetyFour on June 22, 2021, 08:45:00 AM
Hey @NinetyFour - can you give folks the coordinates of your Moab thread here?
Here you go:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/meetups-and-social-events/moab-meetup-2021/
I am currently thinking about the weekend of October 23.
The campground we have used in years past is located right in town, with east access to stores, restaurants, and hotels. The campground itself offers basic cabins as well as campsites. Those of us who live close-ish to Moab might be able to lend tents and other camping gear to travelers who wish to camp.
Post by: shadowmoss on June 22, 2021, 11:05:29 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 05, 2022, 05:40:42 PM
1. The regular CMTO venue has had a change in management, changes in staffing, changes in programming, and changes in cost. Some of these changes are more noticeable than others. The change in cost is a post-COVID reality that I am loathe to accept. If we remain there, expect a cost increase, reduced programming (ie. waterfront and high ropes), and different staff support.
2. In light of the changes to our normal venue, I feel little loyalty to it, and have been passively shopping other venues. These range from hotel properties on the Lake Ontario Waterfront to cottage resorts on the French River. As far as venues and programming we may be starting back at scratch. This decision needs to be made quickly if we are indeed changing venue.
3. In a recent conversation, I was asked why I do it - does it matter? What do I get out of this thing? Why not just let it die? So I'm flipping that question to the masses to see what you all get out of this event, and why you travel to it, and should we run it again or let it die. Give me your input. I'm listening.
Post by: deborah on April 05, 2022, 05:55:20 PM
Post by: Dicey on April 05, 2022, 06:40:06 PM
I'm dying to go to CM*TO. It wouldn't kill us to wait until 2023, because, Moab 2022 is happening. But that's perhaps a wee bit selfish of me, because there's no way we can do both in an election year (and it is one in our locality). If waiting until 2023 would allow more planning time, that also makes sense.
Whatever you do, don't give up and thank you for doing it!
Post by: Lews Therin on April 05, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
We are past due for a CMTO update. And I am here to supply it... Ontario seems to believe we are finished with COVID and the province has mostly re-opened, whether the pandemic is actually done or not. So I am looking at the fall and wondering if we can manage a CMTO event this year. Normally I would have been selling the tickets last month. In any case, here's the current status.
1. The regular CMTO venue has had a change in management, changes in staffing, changes in programming, and changes in cost. Some of these changes are more noticeable than others. The change in cost is a post-COVID reality that I am loathe to accept. If we remain there, expect a cost increase, reduced programming (ie. waterfront and high ropes), and different staff support.
2. In light of the changes to our normal venue, I feel little loyalty to it, and have been passively shopping other venues. These range from hotel properties on the Lake Ontario Waterfront to cottage resorts on the French River. As far as venues and programming we may be starting back at scratch. This decision needs to be made quickly if we are indeed changing venue.
3. In a recent conversation, I was asked why I do it - does it matter? What do I get out of this thing? Why not just let it die? So I'm flipping that question to the masses to see what you all get out of this event, and why you travel to it, and should we run it again or let it die. Give me your input. I'm listening.
I'd be interested in smaller versions of CMTO rather than larger ones... I don't know if it's easier to keep prices low in larger groups than when you have less people.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 05, 2022, 09:42:41 PM
I'd be interested in smaller versions of CMTO rather than larger ones... I don't know if it's easier to keep prices low in larger groups than when you have less people.
Yeah - I can't see going any bigger than we had in our previous iterations. If we do the hotel thing, it would be a VERY different dynamic, but it could still work. The place I have scoped out is right on Lake Ontario and literally built into a park. Room rate is $67 per night for April which compares nicely to camp, but is far less ritzy than some folks might hope for. Not exactly strip motel territory, but not the King Eddy either. The Cabin resort only has 66 beds total and room for a few RVs, so it would be about the same number of attendees too.
An economies of scale thing kicks in at a certain level with regards to teh number of attendees, and we spend a lot of time (and nervous energy) plotting out the linear formulas of costs against revenues to make sure the came runs as close to revenue neutral as possible with just enough left over for deposits on the next year. Getting there means making sure that we have just enough attendees to offset costs.
OMG, ever since I dragged Mr. Dicey (as he's known now) to Moab in 2021, he's been a convert. We had such a blast! In fact, I spent a delightful hour on the phone with our new Moab 2021 friend, @Embok yesterday as we were driving through hercorneredge of the world.
I'm dying to go to CM*TO. It wouldn't kill us to wait until 2023, because, Moab 2022 is happening. But that's perhaps a wee bit selfish of me, because there's no way we can do both in an election year (and it is one in our locality). If waiting until 2023 would allow more planning time, that also makes sense.
Whatever you do, don't give up and thank you for doing it!
I can't wait to meet Mr. Dicey at Moab. I'd love to have him come up and spend a few days with us up here.
It's absolutely amazing to meet all the people in person. It has led me to have a better life.
Thanks Deb - that's refreshing to hear.
Post by: grantmeaname on April 05, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
I find myself starting conversations and getting along really well with people that have facially nothing in common with me - different ages, stages of life, countries to call home, fields of study and work.... And I find myself really refreshed to just talk to people who get it - to not have to explain "this is why I packed lunch" or "I don't want to keep climbing the ladder for bigger and bigger paychecks until the day I die at my desk". It's exposed me to new ideas for diet, hobbies, and finances, stopped any judgment of people with higher spending levels than me, and made me think hard about caring for a disabled child and aging parents someday. It's been unbelievably valuable for me and I would be sad to see it die.
On top of that, it's just good cheap road-trip fun. I met @Early-And-Often in the airport rental car terminal, then drove across New York (damn that state is big) and got him his first Choco Taco, then proceeded to immediately blow out the tire on the rental car, wait at the buffalo airport for another, then badly lie at the border to get across. I tried the OG Anchor buffalo wings in Buffalo with @oneday. Then I learned that you're not allowed to pump your own gas in New Jersey minutes before we returned the rental car at the weekend's end... and that was just the madness getting to and from
Post by: oneday on April 06, 2022, 12:00:26 AM
@Prosy, CM*TO is what I want my FIRE'd life to be like: community, fun, learning, adventure, stillness, bikes, campfires, silliness, inspiration, meat(less)balls, nature's majesty, karaoke; the simpatico with all manner of people, as Grant mentioned.
The fact that it's a grass roots organization (you & your minions) putting it on is, frankly, astounding to me. The outcome and impact that results from all y'alls inputs is outsized. Just creating that environment where everyone is awesome and open to LIFE!!! That is very special. It's a place that fosters personal transformation. My own life has changed for the better 1000% because of camp. It would be a loss to the community and frankly to the world (if I may be so bold) if CM*TO were to die.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 06, 2022, 06:13:15 AM
This is the only group I have been in where we examine what we want to do to lead satisfying lives, instead of just throwing money at all the things society tells us will make us happy.* It is incredibly positive to meet people in person - we exist! we are not all figments of each others imaginations!
I may be more coherent after tea. ;-)
*On a tangent, my spinning and weaving and crafty groups know we are not exactly mainstream in our interests, but the examination of how money relates to our lives is not part of it.
Post by: Jessa on April 06, 2022, 07:16:22 AM
We are past due for a CMTO update. And I am here to supply it... Ontario seems to believe we are finished with COVID and the province has mostly re-opened, whether the pandemic is actually done or not. So I am looking at the fall and wondering if we can manage a CMTO event this year. Normally I would have been selling the tickets last month. In any case, here's the current status.
1. The regular CMTO venue has had a change in management, changes in staffing, changes in programming, and changes in cost. Some of these changes are more noticeable than others. The change in cost is a post-COVID reality that I am loathe to accept. If we remain there, expect a cost increase, reduced programming (ie. waterfront and high ropes), and different staff support.
2. In light of the changes to our normal venue, I feel little loyalty to it, and have been passively shopping other venues. These range from hotel properties on the Lake Ontario Waterfront to cottage resorts on the French River. As far as venues and programming we may be starting back at scratch. This decision needs to be made quickly if we are indeed changing venue.
3. In a recent conversation, I was asked why I do it - does it matter? What do I get out of this thing? Why not just let it die? So I'm flipping that question to the masses to see what you all get out of this event, and why you travel to it, and should we run it again or let it die. Give me your input. I'm listening.
I would love to have it back!!! I had SUCH a great time. I am open to change of venue. I'm don't particularly care about ritzy, but not having to bring a sleeping bag would be a plus. It would be nice to still be able to have an all night bonfire, but I'm sure we could figure other ways to socialize. That's the main thing for me, seeing people IRL. I'm not always great at keeping up with journals, so being able to have live conversation with people, or get to know new ones, that's the big benefit for me. We have had some awesome speakers and some great break out groups, too. But i'm mostly in it to see my friends :)
Post by: elaine amj on April 06, 2022, 07:16:36 AM
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Post by: Dicey on April 06, 2022, 09:01:44 AM
CMTO is a huge part of my year and I look forward to it all summer. On one hand sometimes I think that no part of this philosophy is that revolutionary - and then I get away from ad-bloated hedonic treadmill running consumer culture for a whole 72 hours and feel much more at home mentally.Paging @ embok to say, "What grantmeaname just said." And to say I love the bit in bold, aka bib.
I find myself starting conversations and getting along really well with people that have facially nothing in common with me - different ages, stages of life, countries to call home, fields of study and work.... And I find myself really refreshed to just talk to people who get it - to not have to explain "this is why I packed lunch" or "I don't want to keep climbing the ladder for bigger and bigger paychecks until the day I die at my desk". It's exposed me to new ideas for diet, hobbies, and finances, stopped any judgment of people with higher spending levels than me, and made me think hard about caring for a disabled child and aging parents someday. It's been unbelievably valuable for me and I would be sad to see it die.
Post by: Embok on April 07, 2022, 09:11:02 AM
Another venue would be fine. Different formats would be fine. If I can be there, I’ll come and now, having met some of the folks, so will my husband. If I can help, from afar, let me know.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 07, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 07, 2022, 11:16:35 AM
One other question... is anyone into wine tours?
Post by: Jessa on April 07, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
I'm paying attention folks - and I appreciate the feedback.
One other question... is anyone into wine tours?
Do they have a malbec?
Post by: Stashasaurus on April 07, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 07, 2022, 12:50:23 PM
I'm paying attention folks - and I appreciate the feedback.
One other question... is anyone into wine tours?
Do they have a malbec?
Which winery? There are many. Hence tour. Like not a tour of a (singular) winery, but a wine tour.
Post by: Lews Therin on April 07, 2022, 01:23:19 PM
Post by: Dicey on April 07, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
DH and I aren't really drinkers, to my Wine Brother's everlasting dismay. However, that does make us pretty good Designated Drivers. Wineries tend to be in fairly scenic locations, and the ones I visited last time I was in the Toronto area (Ice Wine!) were no exception.I'm paying attention folks - and I appreciate the feedback.
One other question... is anyone into wine tours?
Do they have a malbec?
Which winery? There are many. Hence tour. Like not a tour of a (singular) winery, but a wine tour.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 07, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
I'm not a 5* hotel kind of person, anything with basic amenities (indoor toilets, running hot water, that sort of thing) is fine.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 07, 2022, 03:07:01 PM
Hey fish dude. My vote is for the venue that will take us. I would be coming for the company. How much interest would you need to run this year?
Hey Stash - somehow this message missed me. I'd be looking for 50-75 participants, but I haven't even started to work out budget or other elements, and it will be... different in structure. Like, somethings will be a lot cheaper/easier, but others will be more expensive/involved, so I'm nor really sure how it will look. I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 07, 2022, 03:07:58 PM
DH and I aren't really drinkers, to my Wine Brother's everlasting dismay. However, that does make us pretty good Designated Drivers. Wineries tend to be in fairly scenic locations, and the ones I visited last time I was in the Toronto area (Ice Wine!) were no exception.I'm paying attention folks - and I appreciate the feedback.
One other question... is anyone into wine tours?
Do they have a malbec?
Which winery? There are many. Hence tour. Like not a tour of a (singular) winery, but a wine tour.
Do you have a Bus License and a bus?
I am into wine tours a lot more than I am into beer tours. Renting a bus? Because I would not want to drive. ;-)
I'm not a 5* hotel kind of person, anything with basic amenities (indoor toilets, running hot water, that sort of thing) is fine.
I'm on it. See message above this one.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 07, 2022, 04:37:15 PM
Post by: happy on April 07, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
I'd be happy with whatever you decide, since my main reason for attending is the people. I'm a sucker for a good campfire, and I don't like crowds ( except crowds of Mustachians), but in the grand scheme of things my preferences are not important.
Post by: NinetyFour on April 07, 2022, 06:58:56 PM
I'd be happy with whatever you decide
Um. 🤔
Post by: oneday on April 07, 2022, 10:41:20 PM
I'd be happy with whatever you decide
Um. 🤔
😂
Re: a wine tour - also not much of a drinker, but would be OK with this. Especially if there is some nice port style wine somewhere.
But also, hopefully it wouldn't be the main event each and every year, because that seems less than stellar to me in particular. If it's a side trip or an only-some-years thing, that feels nicer to me.
Post by: elaine amj on April 07, 2022, 10:46:20 PM
I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
VolleyHockeyBall is all about creativity :)
I’d say the biggies are:
- meeting rooms
- friendly spaces like campfires and lounges that are conducive for socializing
- getting catered meals
- preferably some element of the outdoors
- fairly low cost
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Post by: Jessa on April 08, 2022, 06:57:13 AM
I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
VolleyHockeyBall is all about creativity :)
I’d say the biggies are:
- meeting rooms
- friendly spaces like campfires and lounges that are conducive for socializing
- getting catered meals
- preferably some element of the outdoors
- fairly low cost
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Agreed.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 08, 2022, 07:40:24 AM
I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
VolleyHockeyBall is all about creativity :)
I’d say the biggies are:
- meeting rooms
- friendly spaces like campfires and lounges that are conducive for socializing
- getting catered meals
- preferably some element of the outdoors
- fairly low cost
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Agreed.
Thirded.
Post by: oneday on April 08, 2022, 08:53:19 AM
I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
VolleyHockeyBall is all about creativity :)
I’d say the biggies are:
- meeting rooms
- friendly spaces like campfires and lounges that are conducive for socializing
- getting catered meals
- preferably some element of the outdoors
- fairly low cost
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Agreed.
Thirded.
Yeah, this is a great list. Although it does not include the classes and workshops. That's super important to the atmosphere, imo. Maybe it's implied in the meeting rooms bullet point.
Post by: Lews Therin on April 08, 2022, 09:20:22 AM
I *think* there would still be VolleyHockeyBall though, so at least that institution would live on.
However, we wouldn't be playing it on a hockey rink.
VolleyHockeyBall is all about creativity :)
I’d say the biggies are:
- meeting rooms
- friendly spaces like campfires and lounges that are conducive for socializing
- getting catered meals
- preferably some element of the outdoors
- fairly low cost
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Agreed.
Thirded.
Yeah, this is a great list. Although it does not include the classes and workshops. That's super important to the atmosphere, imo. Maybe it's implied in the meeting rooms bullet point.
Classes/workshops can be given in any social friendly spaces. Powerpoint is not essential!
Post by: Le Poisson on April 08, 2022, 09:46:07 AM
Post by: oneday on April 08, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
Is outdoors under a shade sail an acceptable workshop environment?
It's the best!
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 08, 2022, 10:05:27 AM
Is outdoors under a shade sail an acceptable workshop environment?
As long as its not raining? ;-) Definitely.
Some presentations would need powerpoint or other AV, lots would not. Some need electricity. Back in 2019 I could easily have done mine outside - outside would actually have been better. Deborah's needed electricity.
Post by: Lews Therin on April 08, 2022, 10:27:47 AM
Post by: grantmeaname on April 08, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Post by: deborah on April 08, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
Post by: elaine amj on April 08, 2022, 04:21:59 PM
The big question is whether we can fill up the 50-70 spots with just forum folks or do we need to push harder outside the forum? Hard to say.
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Post by: Cannot Wait! on April 09, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
I've moved to BC...BUT I'd still come if I could get a ticket because they've been such great events!!!
Post by: rockstache on April 12, 2022, 09:35:31 PM
Post by: shadowmoss on April 13, 2022, 08:02:37 AM
Post by: Daisy on April 14, 2022, 12:13:40 AM
However, I have decided not to travel internationally in 2022. Maybe I can catch a future CMTO.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 14, 2022, 04:01:30 PM
So uh... what are you doing mid-September?
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 14, 2022, 04:22:15 PM
It's waaaay too early to give out any kind of "real" CMTO news right now, but let's just say I've had a chat with MMM hisself, toured a property, and gazed at my crystal ball a little bit. If this doesn't fall apart, it will stay together.
So uh... what are you doing mid-September?
Praying we are not in wave 8 of Covid? So we can have CMTO?
Post by: grantmeaname on April 14, 2022, 06:06:31 PM
Post by: oneday on April 14, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: PoutineLover on April 14, 2022, 06:29:43 PM
Post by: deborah on April 14, 2022, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: Lews Therin on April 14, 2022, 08:04:57 PM
I'm in.
Post by: Lews Therin on April 14, 2022, 08:05:54 PM
I wish that I could go but I'll be in my last month of pregnancy so probably not a great time to travel. I have been wanting to go for ages! Are babies invited? (for next year)
They've joined in before. Just draw on a little mustache!
Post by: Le Poisson on April 14, 2022, 08:19:32 PM
YOU SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE CULT LEADER?!
I'm in.
I mean this particular time, we emailed each other, but yes, Pete and I have spoken regarding camp. Does that make him special?
Post by: Lews Therin on April 14, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
But less so by email.
What other cult leader makes their members rich instead of the other way round?
Post by: Le Poisson on April 14, 2022, 08:38:28 PM
That makes YOU special.
But less so by email.
What other cult leader makes their members rich instead of the other way round?
Ed McMahon and the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes?
Post by: Le Poisson on April 15, 2022, 06:54:37 AM
mid-september is mega busy for me. too many weddings.
I've been to a wedding. By the time it was done, I was married.
That's pretty close to some other traveling I'm doing in early-mid October, but the days are free...it's something I could make happen if I were motivated.
I'll be traveling in mid October too! How can I motivate you?
I wish that I could go but I'll be in my last month of pregnancy so probably not a great time to travel. I have been wanting to go for ages! Are babies invited? (for next year)
We've never witnessed a birth at camp. Want to run a workshop? Can I schedule that for 2:00 on Saturday?
Also, congrats on your baby, I hope your pregnancy is going well.
Post by: ToTheMoon on April 15, 2022, 08:05:36 AM
It's waaaay too early to give out any kind of "real" CMTO news right now, but let's just say I've had a chat with MMM hisself, toured a property, and gazed at my crystal ball a little bit. If this doesn't fall apart, it will stay together.
So uh... what are you doing mid-September?
I will certainly make an effort to attend. CMTO has a special place in my heart, as do all the fantastic people I have met there!
Post by: oneday on April 15, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
mid-september is mega busy for me. too many weddings.
I've been to a wedding. By the time it was done, I was married.
The same thing happened to me once! 🤭
That's pretty close to some other traveling I'm doing in early-mid October, but the days are free...it's something I could make happen if I were motivated.
I'll be traveling in mid October too! How can I motivate you?
Oh, lol. I was a little too obscure. I would go if there was a camp.
If you need a workshop for the schedule, I can teach knitting and/or crochet.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 15, 2022, 10:28:06 AM
That's pretty close to some other traveling I'm doing in early-mid October, but the days are free...it's something I could make happen if I were motivated.
I'll be traveling in mid October too! How can I motivate you?
Oh, lol. I was a little too obscure. I would go if there was a camp.
If you need a workshop for the schedule, I can teach knitting and/or crochet.
Your knitting is to die for! I'm holding on to that idea!
Post by: goat_music_generator on April 15, 2022, 01:36:30 PM
Post by: oneday on April 15, 2022, 04:27:45 PM
That's pretty close to some other traveling I'm doing in early-mid October, but the days are free...it's something I could make happen if I were motivated.
I'll be traveling in mid October too! How can I motivate you?
Oh, lol. I was a little too obscure. I would go if there was a camp.
If you need a workshop for the schedule, I can teach knitting and/or crochet.
Your knitting is to die for! I'm holding on to that idea!
You've seen my knitting? Cool! Thanks for you kind words.
Post by: Dee on April 15, 2022, 07:56:43 PM
Post by: Cherry Lane on April 17, 2022, 02:24:29 PM
So uh... what are you doing mid-September?
I hope I'm travelling across an international border to spend a weekend with all of you. I just have to be home for school Monday afternoon.
Post by: Jessa on April 20, 2022, 07:32:53 AM
I wish that I could go but I'll be in my last month of pregnancy so probably not a great time to travel. I have been wanting to go for ages! Are babies invited? (for next year)
I have been three times, twice pregnant, and once with a 6 month old. My particular 6 month old was very extroverted, and was delighted to be passed around to many new friends over the course of the weekend. I often had no idea where he was, but knew he was safe. Mrs. LePoisson in particular made sure I got to sit and eat sans infant, and Grantmeaname's wife also spent significant portions of the weekend telling my son how adorable he was. So yes, babies are absolutely invited.
Also, @Le Poisson I would love to come see you mid-september.
Post by: goat_music_generator on April 20, 2022, 10:47:56 AM
I have been three times, twice pregnant, and once with a 6 month old. My particular 6 month old was very extroverted, and was delighted to be passed around to many new friends over the course of the weekend. I often had no idea where he was, but knew he was safe. Mrs. LePoisson in particular made sure I got to sit and eat sans infant, and Grantmeaname's wife also spent significant portions of the weekend telling my son how adorable he was. So yes, babies are absolutely invited.
Aww! Our baby will be around 6 months by the time this rolls around this year. This strengthens my determination to go even more :-)
Post by: Le Poisson on April 20, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
Yes, we are looking at having a camp again this year. Yes we will make it the best we can, if everything comes together, BUT - and it's a big but, I cannot lie - we are keeping our expectations low and our delivery will stray from what we've offered in previous years. Our goal is to offer the same ambiance and community, regardless of what delivery looks like. And to preserve Volley Hockey Ball if we can. Because I think it's fun.
Having said that, this week @CampMustacheToronto and I are pulling together the resources from previous camps to get an inventory of what assets - both physical and digital - are still relevant. We have reached out to delivery partners, and we meeting with diverse and sundry persons to patch together the elements of a camp in a much more hands-on format for us, that hopefully appears seamless and simple to you. Right now it looks a lot like a house of cards, and we aren't sure whether it will topple or not.
Post by: Dee on April 20, 2022, 11:25:53 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 20, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
Post by: PoutineLover on April 20, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
That's so good to hear! If the camp was a little earlier, I'd be happy to go pregnant, but if it's mid to late September I'll be too close to my due date to feel comfortable travelling. But if I can bring my almost one year old next year that'll be great! I hope I have a friendly baby who will enjoy that type of environment.I wish that I could go but I'll be in my last month of pregnancy so probably not a great time to travel. I have been wanting to go for ages! Are babies invited? (for next year)
I have been three times, twice pregnant, and once with a 6 month old. My particular 6 month old was very extroverted, and was delighted to be passed around to many new friends over the course of the weekend. I often had no idea where he was, but knew he was safe. Mrs. LePoisson in particular made sure I got to sit and eat sans infant, and Grantmeaname's wife also spent significant portions of the weekend telling my son how adorable he was. So yes, babies are absolutely invited.
Also, @Le Poisson I would love to come see you mid-september.
Post by: Novik on April 20, 2022, 03:34:24 PM
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
Post by: Lews Therin on April 20, 2022, 04:04:19 PM
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
Will there be a baby section this year? (8month old might come too!)
Post by: goat_music_generator on April 20, 2022, 04:41:05 PM
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
Will there be a baby section this year? (8month old might come too!)
Yeeeeeeeee
Post by: Le Poisson on April 20, 2022, 06:43:59 PM
That's so good to hear! If the camp was a little earlier, I'd be happy to go pregnant, but if it's mid to late September I'll be too close to my due date to feel comfortable travelling. But if I can bring my almost one year old next year that'll be great! I hope I have a friendly baby who will enjoy that type of environment.I wish that I could go but I'll be in my last month of pregnancy so probably not a great time to travel. I have been wanting to go for ages! Are babies invited? (for next year)
I have been three times, twice pregnant, and once with a 6 month old. My particular 6 month old was very extroverted, and was delighted to be passed around to many new friends over the course of the weekend. I often had no idea where he was, but knew he was safe. Mrs. LePoisson in particular made sure I got to sit and eat sans infant, and Grantmeaname's wife also spent significant portions of the weekend telling my son how adorable he was. So yes, babies are absolutely invited.
Also, @Le Poisson I would love to come see you mid-september.
Everyone's having babies right now.
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
I'm not sure whether @RetiredAt63 agrees or not. When was she moving? Will she still count as Ottawa folks or not?
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
Will there be a baby section this year? (8month old might come too!)
Everyone's having babies right now.
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
Representing Ottawa folks, I like what these airport choices say about possible locations for camp (especially given I expect to have a not-yet-arrived 5 month old would be in tow).
Will there be a baby section this year? (8month old might come too!)
Yeeeeeeeee
Everyone's having babies right now.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 20, 2022, 07:20:02 PM
If enough babies come, maybe I can talk DD and SiL and Mango into coming, she will be about a year and a half by then - oh so mobile! Hmm, maybe not such a great idea. We can wait until she is in the Terrible Twos, and at least sometimes listening to the adults.
Post by: ToTheMoon on April 20, 2022, 07:42:04 PM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
I get exactly zero flights available anytime from YYC to YGK, however, for some reason there are dirt cheap flights the last two weekends of September into Ottawa. Will anyone be travelling down from Ottawa that I might be able to catch a ride with - wherever camp might end up? I travel light, especially if I don't need to bring a sleeping bag!
Post by: Le Poisson on April 20, 2022, 08:48:22 PM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
I get exactly zero flights available anytime from YYC to YGK, however, for some reason there are dirt cheap flights the last two weekends of September into Ottawa. Will anyone be travelling down from Ottawa that I might be able to catch a ride with - wherever camp might end up? I travel light, especially if I don't need to bring a sleeping bag!
Without giving away camp[s location, it is a shorter drive from YYZ to the site than it is from YOW.
Edit to add usual Toronto caveats regarding traffic, construction, and flight/airport delays. Actually, once you figure in the time it takes to walk through the terminals and get bags at YYZ, YOW may be faster. Regardless, there is a fairly sizeable (almost an hour) difference in driving time between YOW and YYZ to camp, with YYZ --> camp being the faster option for driving.
Post by: oneday on April 20, 2022, 09:03:33 PM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
Public service alert: Watertown's code is actually ART. WAT is in Ireland.
SYR is doable for me. The other two had no results on Google. I could also possibly fly into Ottawa (hello @ToTheMoon , others?)
BTW, I've been putting out feelers to get materials and supplies for a possible knitting workshop. Seems like I should be prepared with patterns for baby things.
Post by: rockstache on April 21, 2022, 05:21:50 AM
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Disagree, two is an awesome age!
I have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 21, 2022, 06:33:58 AM
Terrible TwosDisagree, two is an awesome age!
I have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
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All ages are awesome. Two is actually a good age, they are getting more verbal. I am trying to imagine a 15/16/17 month old running around camp - very mobile but who knows how verbal, in terms of paying attention. I figure a minimum of one adult full time toddler minding - which isn't very inducive to camp. Basically I have talked myself out of encouraging DD and SiL to come to camp this year. ;-)
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 06:48:48 AM
Public service alert: Watertown's code is actually ART. WAT is in Ireland.
SYR is doable for me. The other two had no results on Google. I could also possibly fly into Ottawa (hello @ToTheMoon , others?)
BTW, I've been putting out feelers to get materials and supplies for a possible knitting workshop. Seems like I should be prepared with patterns for baby things.
Thanks for all the things! I need to PM you regarding knitting. Don't let me forget.
QuoteTerrible TwosDisagree, two is an awesome age!
I have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
This year's camp will likely be a more baby-friendly venue than past camps. I think. But then again, I only play a smart person on the internet, so wadda I know.
I think the tow truck guy that unlocked your car and was well compensated really liked that you locked your baby in the car. Just one more way that CMTO boosts the local economy!
QuoteTerrible TwosDisagree, two is an awesome age!QuoteI have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
All ages are awesome. Two is actually a good age, they are getting more verbal. I am trying to imagine a 15/16/17 month old running around camp - very mobile but who knows how verbal, in terms of paying attention. I figure a minimum of one adult full time toddler minding - which isn't very inducive to camp. Basically I have talked myself out of encouraging DD and SiL to come to camp this year. ;-)
So this means we can count on R@63 to be partying, not babysitting?
I'm not sure how baby-league Volley-Hockey-Ball would work, but I'll get @elaine amj working on it.
Post by: ToTheMoon on April 21, 2022, 08:56:29 AM
Without giving away camp[s location, it is a shorter drive from YYZ to the site than it is from YOW.
Edit to add usual Toronto caveats regarding traffic, construction, and flight/airport delays. Actually, once you figure in the time it takes to walk through the terminals and get bags at YYZ, YOW may be faster. Regardless, there is a fairly sizeable (almost an hour) difference in driving time between YOW and YYZ to camp, with YYZ --> camp being the faster option for driving.
Thanks for the heads-up - though I admit flying into Ottawa sounds more appealing in terms of the chaos factor...I was appalled last time at how long it took to get to my "airport" hotel, and I didn't even have a bag to wait for! I would rather have an extra hour of driving than deal with Toronto chaos. Or is it really just as chaotic to get out of Ottawa? I have never flown into there. :)
Post by: Lews Therin on April 21, 2022, 09:17:57 AM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
Without giving away camp[s location, it is a shorter drive from YYZ to the site than it is from YOW.
Edit to add usual Toronto caveats regarding traffic, construction, and flight/airport delays. Actually, once you figure in the time it takes to walk through the terminals and get bags at YYZ, YOW may be faster. Regardless, there is a fairly sizeable (almost an hour) difference in driving time between YOW and YYZ to camp, with YYZ --> camp being the faster option for driving.
Thanks for the heads-up - though I admit flying into Ottawa sounds more appealing in terms of the chaos factor...I was appalled last time at how long it took to get to my "airport" hotel, and I didn't even have a bag to wait for! I would rather have an extra hour of driving than deal with Toronto chaos. Or is it really just as chaotic to get out of Ottawa? I have never flown into there. :)
I hear you on this.
For folks who have been to a few CMTO events, the change of scenery between Ottawa and Toronto may be welcome too. And the difference in travel time is only really one traffic jam in Toronto, so yeah, folks can make up their own mind. I think carpool/sleepover opportunities are the bigger factor in figuring out where to land your plane for this. Either airport will weigh in about equally for actual travel time from landing to arriving at our little escape.
Post by: goat_music_generator on April 21, 2022, 12:51:51 PM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
I get exactly zero flights available anytime from YYC to YGK, however, for some reason there are dirt cheap flights the last two weekends of September into Ottawa. Will anyone be travelling down from Ottawa that I might be able to catch a ride with - wherever camp might end up? I travel light, especially if I don't need to bring a sleeping bag!
Without giving away camp[s location, it is a shorter drive from YYZ to the site than it is from YOW.
Edit to add usual Toronto caveats regarding traffic, construction, and flight/airport delays. Actually, once you figure in the time it takes to walk through the terminals and get bags at YYZ, YOW may be faster. Regardless, there is a fairly sizeable (almost an hour) difference in driving time between YOW and YYZ to camp, with YYZ --> camp being the faster option for driving.
Lol, you do realize that you've given enough bits of information to calculate a range of candidate locations right? Fair warning, my spouse may be writing a script to generate a heatmap of possible venues as we speak. XD
But I told him you were being cagey on purpose, so we prooobably shouldn't post the map and/or determined location once we have it...
Post by: Lews Therin on April 21, 2022, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 02:33:34 PM
Thanks for your ongoing efforts and for the update, LePoisson.
Thanks Dee.
Here's a fun challenge for folks... Turn on incognito mode so the booking sites don't upcharge you later, and let's see if you can find flights from your town to one of these 3 airports in the vicinity of the 1000 Islands Border crossing...
WAT - Watertown, NY Airport (Mostly serves migrant song birds and the odd Cessna)
SYR - Syracuse, NY (Mostly serves large fowl and the odd snowbird flight to the south)
YGK - Kingston, ON (Glorious Canadian Aerodrome Equipped to serve our incredible airforce as well as international flights and possibly the Concorde, if it wasn't too afraid to leave the ground, and our runway was longer, and we built a new concourse.)
I'm betting on the middle one as being the most available to our US friends and the last one being somewhat do-able for Canucks.
I get exactly zero flights available anytime from YYC to YGK, however, for some reason there are dirt cheap flights the last two weekends of September into Ottawa. Will anyone be travelling down from Ottawa that I might be able to catch a ride with - wherever camp might end up? I travel light, especially if I don't need to bring a sleeping bag!
Without giving away camp[s location, it is a shorter drive from YYZ to the site than it is from YOW.
Edit to add usual Toronto caveats regarding traffic, construction, and flight/airport delays. Actually, once you figure in the time it takes to walk through the terminals and get bags at YYZ, YOW may be faster. Regardless, there is a fairly sizeable (almost an hour) difference in driving time between YOW and YYZ to camp, with YYZ --> camp being the faster option for driving.
Lol, you do realize that you've given enough bits of information to calculate a range of candidate locations right? Fair warning, my spouse may be writing a script to generate a heatmap of possible venues as we speak. XD
But I told him you were being cagey on purpose, so we prooobably shouldn't post the map and/or determined location once we have it...
This sounds fun. Send me a list of the candidate locations you narrow it down to and let's see if Presqu'ille is at the top.
EDIT: Whoops. I meant to say Sandbanks.
EDIT 2: Oh Crumb, I shoulda said Fort Henry.
Dammit, I keep typing the wrong thing. I give up.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 02:58:13 PM
How would you find the right one though? Hard to spot the pack of stealth wealthy mustachians. We look like everyone else.
My Mom says I look handsome though. I should be easy to spot.
Post by: Lews Therin on April 21, 2022, 03:12:57 PM
How would you find the right one though? Hard to spot the pack of stealth wealthy mustachians. We look like everyone else.
My Mom says I look handsome though. I should be easy to spot.
well... I've seen your face.
End of comment.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 03:20:22 PM
How would you find the right one though? Hard to spot the pack of stealth wealthy mustachians. We look like everyone else.
My Mom says I look handsome though. I should be easy to spot.
well... I've seen your face.
End of comment.
Reminds of a song by The Monks.
Post by: arebelspy on April 21, 2022, 10:03:43 PM
I would like to attend if there is space.
Is there an email list or something I can get on to be alerted when tickets go on sale?
Post by: Le Poisson on April 21, 2022, 10:15:12 PM
I am at Camp Mustache Midwest this weekend and grant told me about this thread.
I would like to attend if there is space.
Is there an email list or something I can get on to be alerted when tickets go on sale?
Ooooh an actual serious question!!!
I know it's late in teh year, but we are still in planning stages. If you attended a previous camp, we still have your email etc. from that and will be sending out messaging as soon as we have information to share. At this point though, we are still negotiating with the venue. I believe that email list is in the order of 1500 people with whom we have interacted over the course of 3 Camp Mustaches and one that got to the planning stage, then was killed off by COVID. I could check if you are on it and we have your current addy, but um... unless it's changed since our last CMTO event, let's just assume you're there.
Of course, we'll also announce here when the tickets come available, because we love the forum too.
Post by: arebelspy on April 21, 2022, 10:16:40 PM
Excited to see all of you again :)
Post by: Le Poisson on April 22, 2022, 06:49:27 AM
The smart people who help me run this thing sat me down last night and we walked through this year's get-together. I feel like there is consensus that we can make something happen. It was a long meeting. Close to 3 hours. We are confident that if you all are as awesome as you always are, we can make this work.
Let's begin now...
1. What is the event: This iteration of CMTO will have a VERY different look/feel from previous camps. For that reason, we are calling it CMTO 2022 - FIREscape. It is both an escape from normal life, an escape from the 9-to-5 lifestyle and an escape to FIRE for folks who have worked hard to get clear of employment. It is also a chance to look at the landscape of personal finance, to see a new landscape in front of yourself, and to see where you fit in the wide-world.
We have spoken with Pete, and he is less concerned with the look and feel of camp than we are, but we thought it important to get his blessing since this event is not following the pattern of other CMTO events you may have seen.
2. Where is the event: Nearly mid-way between Toronto and Ottawa/Montreal. If you google "Ontario Wine Tours" you should be able to narrow down the location to the county it is in. Finding the right venue will be a little more difficult - there are literally dozens of vineyards, cottage resorts, provincial parks, hostels, country Inns, etc. that we could choose to host our event. We will be in tourist country. What the heck - Prince Edward County. It's in Prince Edward County.
3. When is the event: We have booked our venue for
I would strongly advise against making any concrete plans or booking travel until you hear further from us. While the planning has advanced to a stage that I have some confidence this event will take place, the only thing set in concrete at this point is a hold on rooms. We have no other details like food, meeting space, etc. locked in.
4. If you know all this, why aren't you already selling tickets? The venue we have booked is low cost for good reason. Outside the room rate, we need to separately negotiate catering, meeting space, activity space, and figure out a pile of dumb details like what we are going to do for chairs, whether there is a spot to set up the chairs, and if a shade/rain fly can be rigged.
Unlike our usual venue, this space is shared with other groups and we need to make sure that our event and theirs do not interfere with each other. We can't just say "We're going to set up 20 chairs on the lawn" because the lawn may not be available. We have already been put on notice for noise both from our event and the other events taking place to be sure there isn't cross-interference, and to make sure our schedules coincide for the quiet bits and loud bits.
We anticipate that much of our event will take place offsite - about a 10 minute walk from the actual venue since a short walk is easier than separately negotiating so many details, schedules, and noise levels. Our Escape may stretch itself over multiple properties with multiple partners providing different facets of the weekend. This is very different from our usual CMTO which is just a single negotiation with the camp venue.
We are working with Cthulhu and each tentacle has a separate cost, negotiation, and outcome. We can't slap a price on a ticket until we have all those pieces roped in. I am building a flow chart to keep track of the pieces. As soon as we know what each piece looks like, we will get ticket details to you.
5. Can you tell us anything more about the venue? At this point, no. I am nervous to commit too much in case things fall apart (See item #4). I will tell you that rooms are for 2-4 individuals, and priced per room rather than per person, and will be billed separately from your CMTO "pass". You will buy your FIREscape pass from us, and pay for your room with the venue. Once you get your pass we will send you details to book a room. All of that is in its infancy though, so subject to change (see - we have a long way to go.)
If you plan on attending, you should be thinking about roommates to reduce costs. If you are travelling with a baby, you will be in an actual room which means a much more comfortable environment for nap times, changes, etc. if you prefer to do those things in private. It also means an escape for the folks who are more introverted and need a time out when things get too hectic.
6. Are you looking for presenters? YES! Because our presentation space may be offsite, we really need to know how many folks are available to present so we can judge whether a space rental is needed or if we can roll the dice on a shady tree that may or may not be available is enough. If someone wants to do a drum circle, we need to understand how the noise will affect other events onsite and if we need to push to the adjacent venues. The earlier we can find out who is willing to put on a workshop, the earlier we can nail down costs and venues - both on and off-site.
What about spur-of-the-moment, organic conversation circles? Those are a big part of camp! We think that there is space where folks can go for these conversation circles without needing a dedicated space. Because we are sharing the venue, we are trying to beware of how these organic conversations will take place and how openly folks will share. We are working to create safe spaces that gaggles can form and folks can be themselves. We may book an entertainment suite just to have that safe space onsite. This is still percolating.
I don't have too much more to share at this point. I was hoping that by last night I would have more Jello nailed to the wall, but it hasn't happened. Go ahead and ask questions though. I'll answer what I can, and I'll ask ARS to lock down this thread early next week so we can share more in a clean new format as info comes available.
Post by: arebelspy on April 22, 2022, 07:14:23 AM
Sounds like you have a potential space for that to happen.
Whatever it looks like, it'll be awesome.
With individual rooms booked rather than a whole camp, does that mean the total number can be reduced for a more intimate camp?
Post by: Cherry Lane on April 22, 2022, 07:41:25 AM
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 22, 2022, 08:00:50 AM
Sounds fun.
Post by: Cannot Wait! on April 22, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Post by: Stashasaurus on April 22, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
Post by: Daisy on April 22, 2022, 10:56:55 AM
Terrible TwosDisagree, two is an awesome age!
I have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
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Ha ha! As I was first reading your message I was going to reply back with "but didn't you leave the baby locked in the car?", but then you beat me to it.
Post by: Le Poisson on April 22, 2022, 12:41:20 PM
Whatever it looks like, it'll be awesome.
With individual rooms booked rather than a whole camp, does that mean the total number can be reduced for a more intimate camp?
Hey - a big thanks to you for being part of the team that holds together the community that allows these events to take place.
The rooms definitely make things different. We do have a minimum booking with the hotel to get the room rate. If we have fewer than 50 guests, it will be a problem. There is also the whole economies of scale thing relative to booking offsite rooms. We don't know where the break-even on that is yet.
This is very exciting!
I agree.
From the hints I guessed the County. ;-) Sandbanks in September?
Sounds fun.
Maybe a tough choice between there and North Beach. But yeah, fall water temperatures are definitely nicer, but waves can be bigger. For folks who don't know, Prince Edward County (PEC) has some of the nicest beaches in Canada. Miles and miles of sand, crashing waves off the lake or quiet coves hidden around a bay, and many are within a half hour of our venue.
Sounds exciting! What are you thinking for eating areas? It seems to me, a lot of great things happened in the mess hall at camp! I loved that you could go in there anytime, night or day, have a snack and strike up a conversation.
This is one of our biggest questions right now. I don't have an answer yet, and I'm not sure what will be deliverable on this front. We are working with a few partners to figure it out. We will likely partner with local businesses to make it happen, but in the spirit of affordability and of equity for our different diets, it's going to take some work to preserve those meal time meetups while managing a multi-site event. This is one of our really big deal items in the critical path.
Very exciting news. Looking forward to the email.
I'm looking forward to sending it! (Actually Momma will, but ykwim)
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Terrible TwosDisagree, two is an awesome age!
I have also brought my baby (~9 months) to camp and she is much less outgoing than Jessa's TS, but she loved it. Except for the part when I locked her in the rental car the second we pulled up to camp. No one loved that.
Ha ha! As I was first reading your message I was going to reply back with "but didn't you leave the baby locked in the car?", but then you beat me to it.
Wait, we're trying to make this a tradition? Who volunteers to lock their kid in a car this year?
Post by: Cannot Wait! on April 22, 2022, 01:12:26 PM
Post by: okits on April 22, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
I don't know how much interest there would be for me to hold a session on living in a van? I've been doing it for 4 yrs now so know a few things 😉. Certainly can be a quick and cheap way to reach FI!
I think this would be super useful and informative on several fronts!
Post by: oneday on April 22, 2022, 07:57:47 PM
I don't know how much interest there would be for me to hold a session on living in a van? I've been doing it for 4 yrs now so know a few things 😉. Certainly can be a quick and cheap way to reach FI!
This is relevant to my interests!
Post by: Lews Therin on April 22, 2022, 09:07:32 PM
I don't know how much interest there would be for me to hold a session on living in a van? I've been doing it for 4 yrs now so know a few things 😉. Certainly can be a quick and cheap way to reach FI!
Do you often swim in your van, Scrooge Mc Duck style?
Post by: Cannot Wait! on April 22, 2022, 10:02:18 PM
I don't know how much interest there would be for me to hold a session on living in a van? I've been doing it for 4 yrs now so know a few things 😉. Certainly can be a quick and cheap way to reach FI!
Do you often swim in your van, Scrooge Mc Duck style?
Why yes I do! Wait - can you see me?!?
Lol
Post by: Lews Therin on April 22, 2022, 11:26:27 PM
I don't know how much interest there would be for me to hold a session on living in a van? I've been doing it for 4 yrs now so know a few things 😉. Certainly can be a quick and cheap way to reach FI!
Do you often swim in your van, Scrooge Mc Duck style?
Why yes I do! Wait - can you see me?!?
Lol
YoU ShOuLd HaVe NeVeR cLiCkEd ThAt LiNk.
Post by: deborah on April 23, 2022, 03:28:30 AM
Post by: Dicey on April 23, 2022, 10:11:31 AM
Crashing waves = SURF Beaches. Surely not, but I won't be checking it out. I won't be one of the cool kids this time. Enjoy yourselves! I hope it goes ahead, but I am unhappy to be missing out.Me, too. Between civic commitments and the October 2022 Moab Meetup, it just doesn't pencil out for us this year, which is giving me FOMO.
Fortunately, there's Moab. @NinetyFour hosts it virtually singlehandedly. She has recently returned from a backpacking trip to similarly spectacular country and posted breathtaking pictures in her journal. Though Moab is less structured, it's still a damn fine consolation since CM*TO doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.
Still following along with interest and hoping you have a fantastic event.
Post by: Road To Avonlea on April 23, 2022, 07:13:00 PM
The last meetup was great. No matter what this meetup ends up looking like I think with like minded people gathering in one place everyone will find what they are looking for. :)
I better start stockpiling the military socks for distribution.
Post by: okits on April 23, 2022, 10:12:35 PM
I better start stockpiling the military socks for distribution.
... I was going to say...
Any way to bid on or reserve a pair? I'm Ontarian so don't have Jiffy cornbread mix to offer in return...
Post by: happy on April 24, 2022, 05:25:50 AM
Post by: Lews Therin on April 24, 2022, 08:55:01 AM
I better start stockpiling the military socks for distribution.
... I was going to say...
Any way to bid on or reserve a pair? I'm Ontarian so don't have Jiffy cornbread mix to offer in return...
Last year it was a three way trade.
Socks for jiffies for the maple fluff.
I wanted the fluff.
Post by: NinetyFour on April 24, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
Now I'm in crisis. CMTO or Moab? I can't do both.
Want me to decide for you?? ;-)
Post by: shadowmoss on April 24, 2022, 10:10:15 AM
Post by: Dicey on April 24, 2022, 01:39:42 PM
I can help if necessary. 8-)Now I'm in crisis. CMTO or Moab? I can't do both.
Want me to decide for you?? ;-)
Post by: SnakesintheGrass on April 25, 2022, 05:01:47 AM
Happy to help in any way before or during camp @Le Poisson!
Arni & Beth
Snakes in the Grass
Post by: Le Poisson on April 25, 2022, 02:57:16 PM
Only the keenest of keeners will have caught it, but someplace upthread, a major plot twist was unveiled. MAJOR.
The easiest way to see what teh plot twist is would be to tune in to the new CMTO 2022 - FIRE-scape thread in 3...2...1...
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/camp-mustache-events/cmto-2022-fire-scape/
Post by: deborah on April 25, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Post by: Daisy on April 25, 2022, 03:46:54 PM
Crashing waves = SURF Beaches. Surely not, but I won't be checking it out. I won't be one of the cool kids this time. Enjoy yourselves! I hope it goes ahead, but I am unhappy to be missing out.
Deborah, I know the real reason you are not going is because your favorite roomie isn't going.
So sad to miss this. I hope I can go in a future year.
Post by: deborah on April 25, 2022, 03:50:09 PM
See the other thread. I CAN go!!!!!Crashing waves = SURF Beaches. Surely not, but I won't be checking it out. I won't be one of the cool kids this time. Enjoy yourselves! I hope it goes ahead, but I am unhappy to be missing out.
Deborah, I know the real reason you are not going is because your favorite roomie isn't going.
So sad to miss this. I hope I can go in a future year.
Thanks Snakes!!
Only the keenest of keeners will have caught it, but someplace upthread, a major plot twist was unveiled. MAJOR.
The easiest way to see what teh plot twist is would be to tune in to the new CMTO 2022 - FIRE-scape thread in 3...2...1...
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/camp-mustache-events/cmto-2022-fire-scape/