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I will go first.

I just did the budget on the MoneySmart website

https://moneysmart.gov.au/budgeting/budget-planner

My retirement budget for myself and my wife (couple) came in at $140,500 per annum.

That is on the basis of;
 - owning our own home, no mortgage;
 - private health insurance;
 - nothing included for replacing cars every 5 years;
 - does not take into account home help / nursing homes etc in later years but spending on other items will be reduced then.

In my view, that is a comfortable retirement in 2023 - it is not a frugal retirement but nor is it a luxury retirement.

It would require about $3m in super to get the annual withdrawal of $140,500 - so pretty much in line with the cap being imposed on super.

I am sure many people will disagree but I am interested to hear what other people think.

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Everyone will have a different budget depending on their circumstances. Most will only follow it very loosely. I’ve been retired a couple years yet my spending was more than double normal last year and taxable income will be seven figures. Things can be very lumpy in retirement.

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As you’re talking about retirement for Australians, past discussions have indicated that we seem to need a reasonable amount more than the Americans on the forum. Our population is sparse, so service costs are higher, and we’re a long way from the world’s manufacturing hubs, so materials and goods cost more too. I seem to remember that added about $10,000 to the mustashian frugal budget. Possibly about the difference between the AUD and the USD.

I’ve been retired for 13 years. My partner has been retired for 14 years. We have completely separate finances. When we did the numbers originally before retirement, I had been spending about $23,000 a year for the previous five years, and he had spent about $25,000 a year, so we used those numbers as our retirement numbers. Neither of us was interested in international travel, and we hadn’t been doing any when we’d worked. Initially we both spent less than we’d budgeted. From other comments in the forum, this is common - you are influenced into buying things by your workmates, and there are work expenses that you never think of to eliminate from your estimates.

We each had considerably more than 25 x expenses, and so we had a surplus. Because I have always had a surplus in retirement, my budgeting has become a bit slack.

He still spends a similar amount to what he did at the beginning. I got the travel bug and have been spending about $20,000 a year on that (I have a separate bucket for elective activities, and my yearly expenses vary wildly - but that’s the average - whatever is in the bucket is the arbitrary limit I set myself). Over time, my standard expenses have gone up, but are still covered by the original standard expenses account, that’s now paying me $30,000 a year (some of which is used for elective activities, as it keeps on having a surplus) so I guess I am now paying about $26,000 a year for standard expenses. We own our house, and don’t have a mortgage. The budget includes everything - new cars, private health insurance, house repairs… So I spend $50,000 a year, including going on some pretty spectacular holidays for three months. But I can easily drop it down to $30,000 a year.

We’re planning to age-proof our house soon, and since retirement we have saved more than enough into a separate account to do that.

You’d obviously have a more difficult time sorting out a budget, since you’ve been an expat, and you possibly aren’t going to have the same expenses in Australia as you’ve been used to.

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I will go first.

I just did the budget on the MoneySmart website

https://moneysmart.gov.au/budgeting/budget-planner

My retirement budget for myself and my wife (couple) came in at $140,500 per annum.

That is on the basis of;
 - owning our own home, no mortgage;
 - private health insurance;
 - nothing included for replacing cars every 5 years;
 - does not take into account home help / nursing homes etc in later years but spending on other items will be reduced then.

In my view, that is a comfortable retirement in 2023 - it is not a frugal retirement but nor is it a luxury retirement.

It would require about $3m in super to get the annual withdrawal of $140,500 - so pretty much in line with the cap being imposed on super.

I am sure many people will disagree but I am interested to hear what other people think.

We are old and in the United States, with Social Security income and a couple of pensions.

Our household income for the two of us is about $85,000 and we spend about $85,000 annually. Two houses owned outright. All cars owned outright.

Our “stash” is for new cars, trips to Europe, old age care.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2023, 06:59:27 AM by iris lily »

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Everyone will have a different budget depending on their circumstances. Most will only follow it very loosely. I’ve been retired a couple years yet my spending was more than double normal last year and taxable income will be seven figures. Things can be very lumpy in retirement.

We drives a lot more, much much more, than we did when we were working. Our work kept us very close to home. In retirement, we live in a small town and also go to the city 85 miles away where we have a condo. We are putting a lot of miles on our cars. They used to hit 100,000 miles at about age 20. Now, they reach that mileage at age 12.

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Oh! Somehow I found myself here in the Aus discussion.well, carry on!

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Hi Lukim

Fellow Asia Expat here (ex Singapore!)

Maybe you can post your $150K budget and we can all  dissect from there? If not, most people would think you are trolling:)...

You claim to be just "doing normal stuff"...i am puzzled since when does normal stuff cost $150K per year (and with no mortgage)...that is like more than 12K a month or $400 a day...

FYI DH and i have been retired for 3 years and our annual budget is about 80 to 100K plus 20-30 K for travel ....AND we still have 3 kids living at home (although one is a working adult already)...we do not penny pinch at all.

And our wealth has continued to increase post retirement as we Re-invest our excess passive income leading to more passive income and the merry cycle continues ...so no...the game does not stop once you retire...

I half suspect you may have money issues growing up?  (but i may be wrong)..
By any measure,  most people would be grateful for your wealth and a $150K budget...

You could retire at 60 but still choose to continue to work to  65...have you ever sat down and seriously ponder what you are working for? or what you evisage your retirement life to be (with your spouse)?

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I'm wondering if you are including paying taxes as part of that annual spend.  In order for us to optimize our lifetime net worth, we will have to draw down pre-tax money and somewhat balance that with some after-tax and tax free money...  Thus the actual 'spending' early in retirement will help us save some money from higher taxes later in life.

Without detailing each person's budget, you won't get a very clear comparison.

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I'm willing to share a couple of perspectives.

First, my parents are in their early 70s.  They have a retirement budget of just over $65,000 per annum.  In addition to that, they own their own low maintenance three bed, two bath home.

Their retirement is what I would refer to as 'comfortable'.  They:

* Eat very well at home - lots of high quality fresh food, meats and seafood.
* Occasionally eat out - maybe once a month (other than when on holidays - see below).
* Mum doesn't drink. Dad recently gave up alcohol but has a solid supply of zero alcohol beer on hand for consumption.
* Private health insurance and choice of medical practitioners and specialists.
* Mum gets her hair done every six to eight weeks with a cut and colour.  Dad no longer has the luxury of requiring a regular haircut ;-)
* They have a weekly cleaner.  Their cleaner does a 'small' clean one week and then a slightly 'larger' clean the next.
* They have a monthly gardener.  Mum and Dad enjoy pottering in their garden and spend several hours a week doing so.  The gardener does some of the more 'heavy lifting' tasks that they can't manage at their age and health levels.
* Two to three one week beach holidays a year.  They will drive for these.  They'll stay in very nice self-contained apartments overlooking the water.  Cook sometimes, but will also eat out for several meals whilst on holidays.
* A four to six week holiday to Europe every two years.  Of which, roughly half the time they would stay with relatives.  Because of certain health issues, they fly business class for these trips.
* One to two 'other' domestic holidays a year, usually a week at a time.  Typically these involve economy class flights - usually booked on sale.
* Replace their mass brand car with a new one every five to seven years. 

Mum and Dad are very careful with their budgeting and track their spending meticulously.  They are very highly optimised - they spend on the things that are important to them and really minimise everything that isn't.

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In contrast, Mrs G and I are lucky enough to be SWAMIs in our late 40s.  Our current budget is $166,200.  We have one teenager living at home and another adult child who is still a partial dependent.  Our ‘child-free’ retirement budget is $140,000, so pretty similar to what you are saying you need.  It is, most definitely, NOT a mustachian budget.  We have a nice family home, fully paid off that will need some ‘right-sizing’ when we are kid free.

The big difference for me, is that at $140k, we can live what I’d consider to be a luxury retirement, NOT merely a comfortable retirement.  This includes:

* Good food – fresh fruit and veg, gourmet butcher, fish markets
* Eating at cafes and restaurants once a week (myself) or twice a week (Mrs G).  A couple of times a year we’ll go somewhere particularly fancy.
* We’re not big drinkers.  Maybe we’d have one bottle of wine a week between us.  The bottles we have would be $20 to $30 as a rule, but occasionally will open something special.
* Private health.  Limited medical expenses to date, but starting to increase the amount we spend on allied health pretty consistently – physio, dental, optical are all increasing.  A bigger allowance in our retirement budget than we have now.
* Mrs G has a regular beauty routine in the budget – I don’t ask questions, but I do admire results.  My ‘beauty routine’ involves the local Italian barber who keeps commenting that I’m looking more and more like my father (see previous post).
* We don’t currently have a cleaner, but there’s room in our ‘retirement’ budget for one
* We have a gardener who comes every week in summer, every two weeks in autumn and spring and once a month in winter.  This expense is in our ‘retirement’ budget, but I suspect will disappear as we ‘right-size’ to a lower maintenance place.
* We also have a pool maintenance guy who comes a couple of times a year.  Again, in our ‘retirement budget’ but will disappear as we ‘right-size’
* We go to the beach for roughly four weeks a year, staying in nice self-contained apartments overlooking the water.  Because our youngest is still in school, this corresponds to school holiday periods when it’s reasonably expensive.  This will go to eight to ten weeks (outside of school holiday blocks) when we are kid-free
* Our current budget allows for one three to four week overseas family holiday each year (including our not-at-home adult child).  Again, currently taken during school holidays, so not the cheapest option.  Our kid-free budget allows for one four to six week overseas holiday off-peak for the two of us and a second shoulder season three week holiday where we’ll pay for the two of us, plus we’ll cover economy airfares for the kids (if they want to join us). 
* Six to eight interstate trips a year, either visiting family or little getaways.
* An allowance to replace each car every seven years with a new model.  One car is a luxury brand and the other is a mass brand car.  We currently have two cars, but I suspect that we’ll move to one luxury car once our youngest moves out of home.  Edited to add:  Our 'oldest' car, the luxury one, is currently five years old.  It's still amazing and I think we'll hold onto it for longer than two more years.  But we have a replacement budgeted
* An allowance to do a small renovation every two years – eg a bathroom or a kitchen or new carpets throughout the house, etc
* An allowance for one-off things that are nice to haves – we call it our ‘wishlist’.  Want a new lounge suite?  Sure, if there’s enough money in ‘wishlist’ to pay for it.

Mrs G and I carve out a couple of hours every few months to reassess our spending and our budget.  We are very conscious of our spending and we work to optimise it for our own ambitions. 

As an example, with our overseas travel we don’t stay in luxury hotels like the George Cinq Hotel in Paris or The Dorchester in London or The Waldorf Astoria in New York, as the experience doesn’t warrant the expense over a mid-range hotel, in our opinion.  But we don’t hesitate to spend on a unique luxury experience on safari in Africa or near the ‘wild wall’ part of the Great Wall in China or to stay in a castle in France or an ancient Roman villa in Sicily.  We feel very lucky to be able to afford such a luxurious life.

Similarly, we manage our costs around things we don’t get value out of.  No PayTV, not worthwhile for us.  No money spent on food delivery.  Pre-paid mobile phone plans, refurbed handsets held until they die.  We review our insurances every year – we still need them, but if shopping around saves us money that can go towards our next holiday then it’s a massive win. 

If you genuinely feel like you can’t live a luxury lifestyle on a retirement income of $140k per annum, I would encourage you to think about what expectations aren’t being met, review your budget or offer up a case study for critique.
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@Lukim

Luckily I have been calculating this, trying to work out what our expenses will be once we move to our house in NZ. This is for two adults, no mortgage. All costs are annual back of the envelope.

House
- $3,000 for council and district rates
- $1,800 electricity -nb this is based off our Australian usage but our house is much smaller and we'll put in solar sooner rather than later
- $600 gas - see note above, we expect to get rid of this entirely
- $600 internet
- $600 streaming services
- $480 mobile
- $1,600 home and contents insurance
- $10,000 house project - this could be one large or multiple smaller ones, first is probably solar installation

Living expenses
- $10,400 groceries - we spend a lot on groceries and I think we eat really well.
- $3,360 takeaway coffees and eating out. This is a big jump from what we currently spend (~1k pa), so who knows if we will even get close, but the money can be redeployed elsewhere if it doesn't bring us joy
- $500 dental - two cleans and check-ups a year per person. We'll probably save up what we are currently spending on health insurance and earmark it for medical expenses
- $1,800 dog meds and vet bills
- $10,000 travel - either to see family/friends in the US or trying new places, or just exploring all the awesome places that I haven't been to in NZ yet.

Total: $46,740
There is $20k of purely optional spend in there that can be cut or delayed (house projects & travel) and because it includes a pretty big increase in optional spending, this feels like a pretty good life to me.

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Hey Gremlin

Tks for that detailed reply; yours (and your parents') budgets/plans sound so eerily like mine!

Another tip for Lukim...i plan my retirement budget around the Go-Go Years (age till 70), Go-Slow Years (age till 80?) and No -Go years..

So the $140k budget that you allude to may be adjusted up or down as the years roll by...it's very personal of course!

(above it all, don't be like one of my husband's best friends, also expat..net worth  8 million; pancreatic cancer...gone in 6 months....age 51...his planned expenditure of 4% ie
$320K per year came to exactly ...........NOUGHT!)

Man proposes...God disposes!  Good luck!

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Hey Gremlin

Tks for that detailed reply; yours (and your parents') budgets/plans sound so eerily like mine!

Why do you think I keep asking you about your travel plans?  :-)

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Hi all -

We are a family of four with no mortage in Aus.

Our annual budget is $90k although as we've just FIREd we're starting out on $80k for the next two years to help reduce SORR (sequence of returns risk):

* Food and entertainment (groceries, cafes, restaurants, activities, fuel) - $30k pa
* Bills (elec, internet, insurance, registation, water, rates) - $14k pa
* Holidays - $20k pa ($10k currently)
* Kids activities - $6k pa
* Fun money for adults - $10k pa
* House repairs/maintenance/applicance/car replacment fund - $10k pa


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For context: ASFA Retirement Standards annual living costs
- Couple – modest $43,250
- Couple – comfortable $66,725

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ASFA’s 'modest' standard estimates how much money is needed for the basics.

ASFA’s ‘comfortable’ standard estimates how much money is needed for retirees to be involved in a range of leisure activities and to have a good standard of living including: private health insurance, a reasonable car, household goods and holidays.

Both standards apply for people retiring at age 65 who will live to an average life expectancy of about 85. Both assume you own your home.
   
Source and detailed breakdown: https://www.superannuation.asn.au/resources/retirement-standard

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We used the retirement spend above for the framework of our budget. Ours comes out at just under $80k.

Some of our numbers are over and some under the categories in the calculator. The main reason for the extra is travel and crazy amounts of eating out.  I don't know where those retirees are staying on holiday but it's not a dog friendly Airbnb in a beach town $$$$ and we like to go away multiple times not once. My husband also has an expensive hobby and an almond croissant addiction - they are $7-8 and it's many a week!

But we are way under on utilities & car costs since we invested in things to keep expenses low - well insulated house, no gas, solar panels, heat pump, EV. We only pay for water, $1k a year.

We have top health cover & live in a HCOL area so council rates and food costs are eye-watering.

Lukim please do a break down of the costs!!

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When I read Gremlin's description of their life, it sounds the same as mine yet it costs twice as much. I think the key differences are:
- 2 vehicles
- holidays in school holiday periods
- four times as many holidays/trips
- eating out twice as much
- beauty expenses are probably more than double mine
- we don't pay for garden & pool maintenance

So the same life but we do the expensive things less often. That doesn't create a feeling of missing out though, if anything, you look forward to the trips & eating out more.

When I compare to people spending less, I think they are not spending on coffees & eating out. That's the main one.

@mspym what about clothes & hobbies?

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@Fresh Bread my RE calcs assume I am spending $30k p.a. so I was going to fund hobbies out of the $7k difference between my share of the household spend and my calculations. Ofpym's future hobbies are also uncosted at present because he is planning on picking up screenprinting. [At least he has moved on from letterpress printing, which would require the acquistion and transportation of several tons of machinery]

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OMG I'm glad he changed his mind! Letterpress is awesome but...

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When I read Gremlin's description of their life, it sounds the same as mine yet it costs twice as much. I think the key differences are:
- 2 vehicles
- holidays in school holiday periods
- four times as many holidays/trips
- eating out twice as much
- beauty expenses are probably more than double mine
- we don't pay for garden & pool maintenance

So the same life but we do the expensive things less often. That doesn't create a feeling of missing out though, if anything, you look forward to the trips & eating out more.

When I compare to people spending less, I think they are not spending on coffees & eating out. That's the main one.

@mspym what about clothes & hobbies?

It's a fair comment.  One of the lessons Mrs G and I have learned is to be very grateful for what you have and not to take it for granted (the story of Ozlady's husband's friend hits home for both of us).  When we first started on our journey we were aiming for the sort of lifestyle that my parents have achieved in their retirement.  We both would've been very happy with that - I think we both still would be if it came to that.

There's definitely been lifestyle inflation for us, but it only came after the point where we SWAMI'ed (although, thinking about it, we probably don't deserve the "M" in SWAMI any more with this kind of budget).

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@Gremlin We are also SWAMI and I know what you mean about lifestyle inflation. Randomly it's mainly for the dog. The old dog lived in accumulation times and got waaay worse food, treats and toys than the new dog that lives in SWAMI times. I don't think I spend more on myself because the environmental impact curbs a lot.

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OMG I'm glad he changed his mind! Letterpress is awesome but...
Oh he used to have a letterpress but it never made it to Australia. I escaped that hobby!

At some point, I may get bitten by the shoemaking bug and want to buy gear, but for now that’s an idle fancy and I’ll use other people’s equipment.

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As a couple, we expect to spend under $90,000 p.a. when we retire.  That is a budget that allows us a decent overseas trip once a year, some interstate travel (we do drive/ride sometimes rather than fly) and keep our hobbies and fun things, such as the motorbikes and my house renovation hobby.

This is based entirely on current spending, and I can see how we would save quite a bit more when retired.  We wouldn't have to take our holidays in the school holidays (yay, teacher tax!).  We would spend a lot more time cooking as we both love it, and a heap of our other expense will drop as we don't have to buy work clothes etc.

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45k with 3 kids. 2 kids are adults and don't cost us anything but they don't pay any board.

We live cheaply compared to most.

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45k with 3 kids. 2 kids are adults and don't cost us anything but they don't pay any board.

We live cheaply compared to most.

Do you mind giving a bit of a breakdown of your expenses? Is your house paid off?

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$48-60k/yr for two mid 30's adults.

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$48-60k/yr for two mid 30's adults.
@2Birds1Stone - as this is the Australian subforum, did you translate it into AUD or is it USD ie $73k - $90k?

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$48-60k/yr for two mid 30's adults.
@2Birds1Stone - as this is the Australian subforum, did you translate it into AUD or is it USD ie $73k - $90k?

Whoops, I replied to this thread without realizing which subforum it was in.

You can disregard my answer entirely since it's in USD and from someone who has been primarily located in the USA, though that budget is global and our plans involve very little time in the USA in retirement.

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45k with 3 kids. 2 kids are adults and don't cost us anything but they don't pay any board.

We live cheaply compared to most.

Do you mind giving a bit of a breakdown of your expenses? Is your house paid off?

House paid off.
House and Car costs - 15k
Groceries - 11k
Doctors/Medical Care - 4k
Eating out/various other expenses - 10k
Youngest kid - 5k

That is a pretty reasonable breakdown. No holiday budget.

We also have an amount set aside for house repairs or other costs that don't fit into the normal budget. Atm we have about 70k in this budget.

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With a paid off house, our planned spend will be $40K-$50K/yr in today's dollars.  RE won't happen until 2035, so who knows what that will be by then at the rate things are going.  Really hoping there will be universal health care/insurance in the US by then.

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With a paid off house, our planned spend will be $40K-$50K/yr in today's dollars.  RE won't happen until 2035, so who knows what that will be by then at the rate things are going.  Really hoping there will be universal health care/insurance in the US by then.
@v8rx7guy - as this is the Australian subforum, did you translate it into AUD or is it USD ie $60k - $76K AUD?

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With a paid off house, our planned spend will be $40K-$50K/yr in today's dollars.  RE won't happen until 2035, so who knows what that will be by then at the rate things are going.  Really hoping there will be universal health care/insurance in the US by then.
@v8rx7guy - as this is the Australian subforum, did you translate it into AUD or is it USD ie $60k - $76K AUD?

Oops, sorry... did not catch that.  It's USD but can be ignored for the purposes of this convo

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Can I ask how old you are, how much you currently have in super and when do you plan to retire?

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As a mid-30s single professional who has cultivated frugal habits my whole life, I'm pursuing a frugal / minimalist approach via a portfolio composed of inflation-linked bonds (25%), diversified index funds (65%) and a small-cap value tilt (10%).

I somewhat subscribe to the Early Retirement Extreme philosophy, but adapted it to an urban lifestyle and renting rather than home owning.

My plan is to retire early but work occasionally to earn income for treats such as holidays or tech gadgets.

My base-line budget is $30,000 per year or ~$575 per week. (Adjusted for inflation.)

Weekly budget:
- $400 - rent for a small studio apartment, granny flat, loft or large room near a major urban centre, bills included
- $80 - all groceries including food, supplements and home supplies
- $25 - health insurance
- $20 - occasional car rental or miscellaneous/incidental expenses
- $10 - weekly swim at the pool
- $10 - weekly train / bus trip
- $10 - phone / 3G
- $10 - internet services, e.g. DropBox
- $10 - clothing

Total: $575

This might seem fairly spartan, but it's just a base-line budget. If I can earn an extra $5-10k per year from stocks performing better than expected or from picking up occasional work, I'll enjoy a nice overseas trip, purchase a new phone/laptop, give some money to friends/family, etc.

But on this budget I can live an enjoyable life and don't have any regrets.

At this point I've reached savings/investments where I can fund the baseline budget on a combination of directly-held inflation-linked bonds (after taxes), diversified index funds (after taxes and assuming the most pessimistic scenario of 1% real return) and working 3 months per year on the federal minimum wage. The plan assumes that I will live to 110 years and receive at least a part-pension from the age of 75 (as the government keeps increasing the age, I don't think 67 is necessarily reliable).

As you can see, it's a very low-risk plan with some pretty high upside in any but the most pessimistic scenarios (e.g. 10th percentile worst-case of high inflation and stocks failing to keep up).

I want to work to minimise hedonic adaptation and enjoy life on this budget. Whenever stocks, salary or bonds surprise to the upside, I will enjoy an exotic holiday or expensive luxury tech purchase.
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@jaysee are you Australian? This thread is on the Australian discussion subforum, and different countries have different costs for different stuff.

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No matter how many times I calculate it, I keep coming up with AUD120k for a retirement budget (in today’s dollars). This is with a paid off house, running 2 cars and buying a replacement $50k car after 10 years of use. It’s also assuming kids are out of the home.

I can’t remember exact details but roughly $10k each for bills, groceries, entertainment, fun money, holidays, cars, travel, household, medical, misc, car replacement and contingency.


I’m assuming no pension.

I haven’t factored in tax, but between 2 tax free thresholds, CGT discount and super when we get to use it, we should be able to manage without paying too much tax.

That equates to needing $3m invested assets. We are a long way from that. Currently we have net invested assets of roughly $1.1-$1.2m. I’m hoping to retire in 8 years time but time will tell if we get there. We have a large house in Melbourne and ideally I would like to retire somewhere warmer and cheaper, so selling here could free up some capital to help get us there.

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No matter how many times I calculate it, I keep coming up with AUD120k for a retirement budget (in today’s dollars). This is with a paid off house, running 2 cars and buying a replacement $50k car after 10 years of use. It’s also assuming kids are out of the home.

I can’t remember exact details but roughly $10k each for bills, groceries, entertainment, fun money, holidays, cars, travel, household, medical, misc, car replacement and contingency.
It might be a form of double counting that is tripping you up. You have both holidays AND travel in there, entertainment AND fun money, misc AND contingency. What are the contingencies that are covered by one of the previous categories? - assuming household covers household repairs/remodelling because bills are their own category, and you have buckets for car running expenses and replacement costs.

Have you done the moneysmart budget worksheet? I suspect you haven’t gone into enough detail resulting in large buckets that are piling on top of each other. It’s very easy to spend $120k and it’s also pretty easy to not spend $120k.
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These numbers all seem crazy to me. As a couple, I can't imagine us spending over 50k per year (USD) -- and that is without a paid off house.

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These numbers all seem crazy to me. As a couple, I can't imagine us spending over 50k per year (USD) -- and that is without a paid off house.

Costs are very different here so it's hard to compare. Your spend about AUD$78k, so not dissimilar to the Australians here and identical to my spend. I can imagine spending more though - eg on holidays. And a lot of Aussies here have said they spend less than you.

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@jaysee are you Australian? This thread is on the Australian discussion subforum, and different countries have different costs for different stuff.

I am indeed Australian and a Sydney-sider. You might think this budget is impossible, but I'm managing to maintain it, sometimes even go under it.

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@jaysee are you Australian? This thread is on the Australian discussion subforum, and different countries have different costs for different stuff.

I am indeed Australian and a Sydney-sider. You might think this budget is impossible, but I'm managing to maintain it, sometimes even go under it.
That's really impressive!