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cpostache

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Reader Case Study - Am I maximizing Tax Avoidance?
« on: September 20, 2015, 08:49:14 AM »
Disclaimer - This spreadsheet is intended for 2016.  My 2015 numbers are different because I am contributing 57% for the remainder of the year to TSP to get to max contribution.  I'm not 100% confident that I used the spreadsheet correctly.  For example, cells 37B and 38B have a SS deduction of $280.8 and $65.67 while I'm actually paying $255.75 and $59.81 respectively.  I'm an E7 in the military, will have 16 years of service at the beginning of 2016 (small base pay increase) and plan to retire at 20 years.  Cell 137B is an estimate, but will have an annual COLA adjustment and may increase should I promote to E8.  I also picked a random percentage for 142B.  I'm not all that tax savvy. 

I plan to max out TSP for the remaining four years and beyond if I continue to serve.  However, I'm not sure if I should be using Traditional, Roth or a combination of both given my tax situation.  Any advice is very much appreciated.

I'm also confused about what to do with the remaining income in terms of investing once I begin a normal TSP deduction of $1500 per month.  I've read about back door something, something 401k, Traditional and Roth IRAs and Taxed accounts.  But I'm not really sure how I should prioritize my investments.

I realize we have a lot of expenses that we could greatly reduce (including the clown car payment).  But I'm asking for investment advice to best shelter my investments from taxes both now and in the future.  I don't plan to work any longer than I have to.  However, my wife (SAHM) plans to begin working once we return to the continental US in two years or so.  Beyond that, I don't know what I'll be doing when I retire or any other specifics aside from my pension in terms of future income/investments.

I am 35, wife is 30 and we have a 5 and 2 year old.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for any advice you may have!

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CategoryMonthly
Salary/Wages$4,563
Pretax Health Ins.$0
Pretax Vision/Dental Ins.$34
Healthcare Flex Savings Acct. (FSA)$0
Daycare FSA$0
HSA/Pension$0
Pretax Commuter costs$0
FICA base salary/wages$4,529
Traditional IRA$0
401(k) / 403(b) / TSP / etc.$1,500.00
457 plans   $0.00
Employer Match$0
Income subject to IRS tax$3,029
ESPP/After-tax 401k$0
Union dues$0
Life/LTD Insurance$34
Paycheck income before tax$2,995
Schedule C net profit
Other ordinary income
Qualified dividends
Alimony
Foreign Income Exclusion
Rental income$1,100
Rental real expenses$1,100
Rental depreciation expense$606
Rental taxable income($606)
Federal Total Inc.$2,423
Federal tax($406)
State/City tax$0
Soc. Sec.$281
Medicare$66
Self-employment Tax$0
Total income taxes($59)
Add Daycare reimb.$0
Add Health care reimb.$0
Add Excluded Foreign Income$0
Untaxed Income$2,500
Income before other expenses  $5,554
Monthly Expenses:
Mortgage$0
Rent$1,400
HOA$0
Property Tax$0
Mortgage Insurance$0
Home/Rent Insurance$20
PMI$0
Beauty Shop$10
Bicycle Maintenance$5
Cable TV$20
Car Insurance$160
Car Maintenance, Registration, etc.$20
Charitable contributions$25
Child activities $50
Childcare$0
Christmas/Holidays$50
Clothing/Shoes$200
College costs$0
Computer (paper/software/etc.)$0
Credit card fees$0
Dental Insurance$34
Dentist$0
Dining (Pizza, Restaurant, etc.)$250
Donations/Gifts$25
Dry Cleaning$10
Electricity$100
Emergency Fund$0
Entertainment$100
Financial Fees$0
Fuel/Public Transport$100
Gas/Oil for heating$35
Groceries$350
Hair Care$10
Home Alarm System$0
Household; Maintenance$0
Internet$60
Landscaping/Yard work$0
Life Insurance$34
Lunches$25
Medical (Doctor, Hospital, etc.)$0
Medical Insurance$0
Medicine (OTC + Prescription)$0
Miscellaneous$25
Parking$5
Pets$20
Phone (cell)$30
Phone (landline)$0
Recycling/Trash$25
School Tutition/Books/Etc.$25
Sports/Recreation$50
Subscriptions (paper/magazines/etc.)$0
Travel/Vacation$150
Water/Sewer$20
Wine/Beer/Tobacco$0
Work/Professional fees$0
Non-mortgage total$3,443
Loans:
Student Loan$0
$450
$0
Other tax-advantaged investments:
Roth IRA
Roth 401k/403b
529 plan/ other college
Total Expense$3,893
Total to invest$1,662
Additional Mortgage Principal
Additional Loan payments
Available for taxable investment:$1,662
Summary:
"Gross" income$7,063
Income taxes($59)
After-tax income$7,122
IRA+401k/403b/TSP/457 (Savers' credit)$1,500
ESPP+529/other$0
Living expenses$3,511
Non-mortgage loans$450
After-tax investable$1,662
Time to FIRE?:
Extra income after RE (pension, SS, etc.)$24,000
Time to FIRE15
Safe Withdrawal Rate4%
Real return on tax-deferred investments7.00%
Real, after tax, return on taxable investments5.95%
Expected retirement total tax rate2%
Current Savings
Taxable$0
Tax-deferred (e.g. trad. IRA/401k)$15,000
Roth$1,500
Projected Savings at Retirement
Taxable$462,396
Tax-deferred (e.g. trad. IRA/401k)$493,708
Roth$4,139
Total projected stash$960,242
Projected Expenses in Retirement
Non-loan, non-work expenses$41,316
Income taxes$598
Change in spending after RE-$12,000
Total$29,914
Total loan principal due$16,327
Stash needed for retirement @4.0% SWR$164,184
Have $796,058 extra.

« Last Edit: September 20, 2015, 10:14:29 AM by cpostache »

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Re: Reader Case Study - Am I maximizing Tax Avoidance?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2015, 12:47:00 PM »
Disclaimer - This spreadsheet is intended for 2016.  My 2015 numbers are different because I am contributing 57% for the remainder of the year to TSP to get to max contribution.  I'm not 100% confident that I used the spreadsheet correctly.  For example, cells 37B and 38B have a SS deduction of $280.8 and $65.67 while I'm actually paying $255.75 and $59.81 respectively.
The SS and medicare amounts are correct for the numbers entered.  $280.8 and $65.67 correspond to $4125/mo (6.2% and 1.45% respectively).  One guess (among many possibilities) is that you pay $404/mo in pre-tax medical insurance...?

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I'm an E7 in the military, will have 16 years of service at the beginning of 2016 (small base pay increase) and plan to retire at 20 years.  Cell 137B is an estimate, but will have an annual COLA adjustment and may increase should I promote to E8.  I also picked a random percentage for 142B.  I'm not all that tax savvy.
For this (somewhat simplified) estimate, those seem reasonable.  If you want to get more detailed on tax predictions, see www.i-orp.com or other calculator at https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Retirement_calculators_and_spending that includes a "Life Cycle" spending model.

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I plan to max out TSP for the remaining four years and beyond if I continue to serve.  However, I'm not sure if I should be using Traditional, Roth or a combination of both given my tax situation.  Any advice is very much appreciated.
Traditional for the TSP seems good as that increases the EIC amount.  Using Roth for IRAs seems good because IRAs have no effect on EIC and you aren't paying any income tax now.

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I'm also confused about what to do with the remaining income in terms of investing once I begin a normal TSP deduction of $1500 per month.  I've read about back door something, something 401k, Traditional and Roth IRAs and Taxed accounts.  But I'm not really sure how I should prioritize my investments.
See the 'Investment Order' tab in the spreadsheet you used for the case study.  Might need to download the latest version to get that tab - otherwise you will find the same information below the "Progress to FI" chart in older versions.

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I realize we have a lot of expenses that we could greatly reduce (including the clown car payment).  But I'm asking for investment advice to best shelter my investments from taxes both now and in the future.  I don't plan to work any longer than I have to.  However, my wife (SAHM) plans to begin working once we return to the continental US in two years or so.  Beyond that, I don't know what I'll be doing when I retire or any other specifics aside from my pension in terms of future income/investments.
In short, it appears you are doing great - keep up the good work! 
Looking a little deeper, medical insurance may need planning.  Don't know your options, but you might consider an HSA.  For taxable investing, something in Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab such as https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio or https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Target_date_retirement_funds would be reasonable.
And yes there are ways to reduce spending, but you seem aware enough.

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Re: Reader Case Study - Am I maximizing Tax Avoidance?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2015, 01:58:37 PM »
Disclaimer - This spreadsheet is intended for 2016.  My 2015 numbers are different because I am contributing 57% for the remainder of the year to TSP to get to max contribution.  I'm not 100% confident that I used the spreadsheet correctly.  For example, cells 37B and 38B have a SS deduction of $280.8 and $65.67 while I'm actually paying $255.75 and $59.81 respectively.
The SS and medicare amounts are correct for the numbers entered.  $280.8 and $65.67 correspond to $4125/mo (6.2% and 1.45% respectively).  One guess (among many possibilities) is that you pay $404/mo in pre-tax medical insurance...?

I hoped you'd respond, MDM.  Thank you!

As for the SS and Medicare, I don't pay any pre-tax medical insurance.  My family and I are all covered by TRICARE.  Should I be concerned about the discrepancy? 

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I'm an E7 in the military, will have 16 years of service at the beginning of 2016 (small base pay increase) and plan to retire at 20 years.  Cell 137B is an estimate, but will have an annual COLA adjustment and may increase should I promote to E8.  I also picked a random percentage for 142B.  I'm not all that tax savvy.
For this (somewhat simplified) estimate, those seem reasonable.  If you want to get more detailed on tax predictions, see www.i-orp.com or other calculator at https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Retirement_calculators_and_spending that includes a "Life Cycle" spending model.

I'll check these out.  Thanks!

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I plan to max out TSP for the remaining four years and beyond if I continue to serve.  However, I'm not sure if I should be using Traditional, Roth or a combination of both given my tax situation.  Any advice is very much appreciated.
Traditional for the TSP seems good as that increases the EIC amount.  Using Roth for IRAs seems good because IRAs have no effect on EIC and you aren't paying any income tax now.

Makes complete sense and is exactly the advice I was looking for.  I can open a Roth account for both my wife and I for a total contribution of $11,000, correct?

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I'm also confused about what to do with the remaining income in terms of investing once I begin a normal TSP deduction of $1500 per month.  I've read about back door something, something 401k, Traditional and Roth IRAs and Taxed accounts.  But I'm not really sure how I should prioritize my investments.
See the 'Investment Order' tab in the spreadsheet you used for the case study.  Might need to download the latest version to get that tab - otherwise you will find the same information below the "Progress to FI" chart in older versions.

Downloaded and updating now.

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I realize we have a lot of expenses that we could greatly reduce (including the clown car payment).  But I'm asking for investment advice to best shelter my investments from taxes both now and in the future.  I don't plan to work any longer than I have to.  However, my wife (SAHM) plans to begin working once we return to the continental US in two years or so.  Beyond that, I don't know what I'll be doing when I retire or any other specifics aside from my pension in terms of future income/investments.
In short, it appears you are doing great - keep up the good work! 
Looking a little deeper, medical insurance may need planning.  Don't know your options, but you might consider an HSA.  For taxable investing, something in Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab such as https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio or https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Target_date_retirement_funds would be reasonable.
And yes there are ways to reduce spending, but you seem aware enough.

A bit embarrassing, but I really don't know what medical expenses I'll have.  Again, we'll be covered by some sort of TRICARE once I retire.  I just don't know what my cost will be.  I will start researching that as well.  As for an HSA, I read the qualification requirements on Vangaurd and assumed I wasn't eligible for an account because I don't have high deductible health insurance.  I basically have no deductible at all provided I utilize the on-base pharmacy.  If I misunderstood, that may be another investment opportunity to look into. 

Some of our expenses appear high, like rent, but I can't do anything about it.  We live in Spain and pay a high premium for the privilege.  We're paid an equal amount in dollars as our rent in euro.  I actually rented one of the cheapest places I could find.  Many of the other expenses are tied to living in Europe as well.  But the big ones, like the clown car, are not.  I'd love to sell the car and pay cash for something more reasonable.  But I don't think my wife will buy off on that.  :)

Thanks again, MDM.  We're lucky to have folks like you to point us in the right direction!

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Re: Reader Case Study - Am I maximizing Tax Avoidance?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2015, 02:19:02 PM »
As for the SS and Medicare, I don't pay any pre-tax medical insurance.  My family and I are all covered by TRICARE.  Should I be concerned about the discrepancy?
I don't think I'd be concerned, but I would be curious - enough to call the payroll folks and ask them to explain.  It's probably "obvious"...in hindsight....

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I can open a Roth account for both my wife and I for a total contribution of $11,000, correct?
Correct!

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A bit embarrassing, but I really don't know what medical expenses I'll have.  Again, we'll be covered by some sort of TRICARE once I retire.  I just don't know what my cost will be.  I will start researching that as well.
No need for embarrassment - nobody knows for sure on total expenses.  Doing research (as you plan) on premiums + deductible + max out-of-pocket and estimating how much medical care you might need in a given year is the best anyone can do. 

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As for an HSA, I read the qualification requirements on Vanguard and assumed I wasn't eligible for an account because I don't have high deductible health insurance.
Correct.  You are good for now.  Just something to keep in mind for later.

 

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