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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #150 on: August 21, 2015, 11:36:19 AM »
Check the various reports on ice loss, extinction rate in the last couple of hundred years, etc.

"On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers)."

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

"Antarctic researchers ponder challenges posed by increasing sea ice"

http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2015/05/antarctic-researchers-ponder-challenges-posed-increasing-sea-ice

Thin, surface ice is not the same as thick glacial ice. The total volume of ice is decreasing.

No one knows that for sure. NASA is taking measurements and can't tell, so anyone who claims it's getting thinner is just making that up:

"We have a good handle of the extent of the Antarctic sea ice, but the thickness has been the missing piece to monitor the sea ice mass balance”

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

Hey Music Lover,
I've been working in Antarctica off-and-on for the last 20 years and I know for sure.  It's getting warmer.  The ice is thinning. 
I'm in Christchurch right now waiting on a plane to take me to the ice once again.  I'll let you know what I see when I get there.  However, every year since '94 when I first went down, it's been getting warmer.   McMurdo pot holes used to be ice just 20 years ago, now little creeks run down the roads in the summer time.  I don't expect that has changed since last year.
Wake up.  Look around you.  Forrest fires are burning hotter, temps are warming, droughts are getting more extreme. 
Pull your head out.

The actual temperature data refutes your claims, so it's not my head that needs pulling out, it's yours:

"temperature trends in the McMurdo Dry Valleys of Antarctica over the period 1986 to 2000, reporting a phenomenal cooling rate of approximately 0.7°C per decade. This dramatic rate of cooling, as they describe it, "reflects longer term continental Antarctic cooling between 1966 and 2000."

"since 1979, finding that for all of Antarctica, temperatures had declined by 0.08°C and 0.42°C per decade, respectively. And in a contemporary study, Thompson and Solomon (2002) also reported a cooling trend for the interior of Antarctica."

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/historical-temperature-trends-in-antarctica/

More here:

"Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change."

"The Vostok base shows light cooling from 1979-1998, while the Amundson-Scott station shows cooling in all seasons, with a decrease of 0.17C per decade"

"Of the 22 long-term stations on the continent, 13 showed temperature decreases, and only 9 showed increases"

"Conclusion: While climate models suggest that temperatures in Antarctica should have been warming in recent decades due to increased greenhouse gases, measurements show otherwise."

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf

HAHAHAHA!
That's good stuff, Music Lover!  Did you pull those links off of the Fox News site?  I could post links that "prove" that the Holocaust never happened but I'm not going to waste everyone's time.  When it comes to climate change - warming in Antarctica - I prefer to believe my own eyes.

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #151 on: August 21, 2015, 12:01:35 PM »
Check the various reports on ice loss, extinction rate in the last couple of hundred years, etc.

"On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers)."

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

"Antarctic researchers ponder challenges posed by increasing sea ice"

http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2015/05/antarctic-researchers-ponder-challenges-posed-increasing-sea-ice

Thin, surface ice is not the same as thick glacial ice. The total volume of ice is decreasing.

No one knows that for sure. NASA is taking measurements and can't tell, so anyone who claims it's getting thinner is just making that up:

"We have a good handle of the extent of the Antarctic sea ice, but the thickness has been the missing piece to monitor the sea ice mass balance”

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

Hey Music Lover,
I've been working in Antarctica off-and-on for the last 20 years and I know for sure.  It's getting warmer.  The ice is thinning. 
I'm in Christchurch right now waiting on a plane to take me to the ice once again.  I'll let you know what I see when I get there.  However, every year since '94 when I first went down, it's been getting warmer.   McMurdo pot holes used to be ice just 20 years ago, now little creeks run down the roads in the summer time.  I don't expect that has changed since last year.
Wake up.  Look around you.  Forrest fires are burning hotter, temps are warming, droughts are getting more extreme. 
Pull your head out.

The actual temperature data refutes your claims, so it's not my head that needs pulling out, it's yours:

"temperature trends in the McMurdo Dry Valleys of Antarctica over the period 1986 to 2000, reporting a phenomenal cooling rate of approximately 0.7°C per decade. This dramatic rate of cooling, as they describe it, "reflects longer term continental Antarctic cooling between 1966 and 2000."

"since 1979, finding that for all of Antarctica, temperatures had declined by 0.08°C and 0.42°C per decade, respectively. And in a contemporary study, Thompson and Solomon (2002) also reported a cooling trend for the interior of Antarctica."

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/historical-temperature-trends-in-antarctica/

More here:

"Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change."

"The Vostok base shows light cooling from 1979-1998, while the Amundson-Scott station shows cooling in all seasons, with a decrease of 0.17C per decade"

"Of the 22 long-term stations on the continent, 13 showed temperature decreases, and only 9 showed increases"

"Conclusion: While climate models suggest that temperatures in Antarctica should have been warming in recent decades due to increased greenhouse gases, measurements show otherwise."

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf

HAHAHAHA!
That's good stuff, Music Lover!  Did you pull those links off of the Fox News site?  I could post links that "prove" that the Holocaust never happened but I'm not going to waste everyone's time.  When it comes to climate change - warming in Antarctica - I prefer to believe my own eyes.

NASA and ScienceMag are like Fox News? Please back away from the crack pipe...

I won't waste my time trying to discuss with a warmunist...your mine is made up and facts are irrelevant. Have a nice day.

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #152 on: August 21, 2015, 12:13:08 PM »
Check the various reports on ice loss, extinction rate in the last couple of hundred years, etc.

"On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers)."

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

"Antarctic researchers ponder challenges posed by increasing sea ice"

http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2015/05/antarctic-researchers-ponder-challenges-posed-increasing-sea-ice

Thin, surface ice is not the same as thick glacial ice. The total volume of ice is decreasing.

No one knows that for sure. NASA is taking measurements and can't tell, so anyone who claims it's getting thinner is just making that up:

"We have a good handle of the extent of the Antarctic sea ice, but the thickness has been the missing piece to monitor the sea ice mass balance”

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

Hey Music Lover,
I've been working in Antarctica off-and-on for the last 20 years and I know for sure.  It's getting warmer.  The ice is thinning. 
I'm in Christchurch right now waiting on a plane to take me to the ice once again.  I'll let you know what I see when I get there.  However, every year since '94 when I first went down, it's been getting warmer.   McMurdo pot holes used to be ice just 20 years ago, now little creeks run down the roads in the summer time.  I don't expect that has changed since last year.
Wake up.  Look around you.  Forrest fires are burning hotter, temps are warming, droughts are getting more extreme. 
Pull your head out.

The actual temperature data refutes your claims, so it's not my head that needs pulling out, it's yours:

"temperature trends in the McMurdo Dry Valleys of Antarctica over the period 1986 to 2000, reporting a phenomenal cooling rate of approximately 0.7°C per decade. This dramatic rate of cooling, as they describe it, "reflects longer term continental Antarctic cooling between 1966 and 2000."

"since 1979, finding that for all of Antarctica, temperatures had declined by 0.08°C and 0.42°C per decade, respectively. And in a contemporary study, Thompson and Solomon (2002) also reported a cooling trend for the interior of Antarctica."

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/historical-temperature-trends-in-antarctica/

More here:

"Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change."

"The Vostok base shows light cooling from 1979-1998, while the Amundson-Scott station shows cooling in all seasons, with a decrease of 0.17C per decade"

"Of the 22 long-term stations on the continent, 13 showed temperature decreases, and only 9 showed increases"

"Conclusion: While climate models suggest that temperatures in Antarctica should have been warming in recent decades due to increased greenhouse gases, measurements show otherwise."

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf

HAHAHAHA!
That's good stuff, Music Lover!  Did you pull those links off of the Fox News site?  I could post links that "prove" that the Holocaust never happened but I'm not going to waste everyone's time.  When it comes to climate change - warming in Antarctica - I prefer to believe my own eyes.

NASA and ScienceMag are like Fox News? Please back away from the crack pipe...

I won't waste my time trying to discuss with a warmunist...your mine is made up and facts are irrelevant. Have a nice day.

NASA?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/land-ice/

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Data from NASA's Grace satellites show that the land ice sheets in both Antarctica and Greenland are losing mass. The continent of Antarctica has been losing about 134 billion metric tons of ice per year since 2002, while the Greenland ice sheet has been losing an estimated 287 billion metric tons per year.

^ You mean that NASA?

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #153 on: August 21, 2015, 12:25:49 PM »
C'mon GuitarStiv, we are only talking about a thousand billion metric tonne, nothing to be scared about. Clearly it's all a myth!

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #154 on: August 21, 2015, 02:58:01 PM »
C'mon GuitarStiv, we are only talking about a thousand billion metric tonne, nothing to be scared about. Clearly it's all a myth!

Don't worry...all they need is more money from the masses and they will magically "fix" the planet's temperature. :)

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #155 on: August 22, 2015, 06:57:24 PM »
Realistically, both you can be correct, NASA is only charting from 2002 on and Fuman was referring to the Antarctic (not the Arctic).

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Re: Why do we bash on trucks?
« Reply #156 on: August 22, 2015, 08:52:58 PM »
And in reality, nothing is going to affect carbon emissions short of running out of accessible carbon to burn, so if you care about the planet, do your best to trigger full on economic collapse.  Or accept that we're going to have to deal with the consequences of pretty much all burnable carbon being burned, and start preparing for that future.