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forestj

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What should I do about a dying car?
« on: June 10, 2016, 05:45:36 PM »
Hello all,

When I was leaving college to start at my first "permanent" full time job, I bought a Saturn SL 2 with 160,000 miles on it for about $3000.



I bought it because:

  • Work was too far to bike to.
  • I preferred to live with my friends than relocate closer to work
  • I couldn't afford to get a better, newer car, and I couldn't even get a loan from the bank, because I had student loans and no credit history.
  • It sounded good on paper: mechanically sound, cosmetically lacking.

I should preface this by mentioning that I have never repaired a car; I have a basic understanding of how to take care of a car, but I am afraid to really take a wrench to it. I realize how advantageous it can be to repair your own car, but I'm not sure if it would be worth my time to try to learn.  I don't have a garage or work space, so I would be doing all my repairs in the street. I expect I would have to take time off from work or take the bus to work for a while if  I was going to attempt to repair it myself. Every day I take off costs $261.

Anyway, the car has many problems... The first time I took it in for repair (turns out the spark plug wires had gone bad), the mechanic advised me that the suspension was screwed up, it should probably be fixed, and they quoted $1250 for repairing the suspension. The sales guy was trying to tell me it was unsafe to drive in this condition, but I figured it was just an up-sell since the mechanic hadn't been so doom-y about it.

Anyway, now the brake disks are warped,  the radiator cracked and had to be replaced, a door lock is broken, check engine light constantly on... Two years later, this car is nothing but trouble.  The last straw was today, it sounds like the engine is pinging a little bit and putting out less oomph than normal. I'm worried that the engine is going bad, as I've been suspecting for a while. It seems like the repair bill for all of this would exceed the original cost of the car at this point.

So I'm considering selling it for whatever I can get (likely $1000 or so) and buying a much better, newer car.  I am debt free now, with about $42K saved up, making 68k a year after taxes, and spending about $15k a year.

I have been looking at used cars in MMM's "top 10 cars" article, which are under $10k and under 70K miles. So far, I've found 2009 honda fits with salvage/rebuilt titles for about 8k, yarises with clean titles for $7k (yarii?)  and ford focuses with clean titles for about $6k, all with around 50k miles on them.

To be honest my main criteria for a vehicle are that it has a roof, it goes on the highway, its cheap, and gets good MPG.  I don't expect to own a car in 10 years as I'll be FIREd by then.

Should I just bite the bullet and buy one of those cars? Should I get out my tool box and volt meter and try to fix it myself? Or should I keep taking it to the mechanic?
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 05:56:43 PM by forestj »

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2016, 05:55:54 PM »
My opinion. (from someone that always advocates a DIY aproach)

Get one of the cars from the list. You need it to commute to work.

It is cheaper to replace the suspension, brakes, even the engine vs buying another vehicle... But, you would need to do It yourself, which would take a lot of time if you haven't done and mechanics.

Sounds like you have a good FIRE plan.

Good luck!

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2016, 06:18:32 PM »
If you won't be doing any work yourself, you're probably best off selling it for something else.

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2016, 07:13:22 PM »
Yeah it's probably time to replace it. My guess is that it's currently got 180-200,000 miles on it?

Beyond that point you probably need to have a level of DIY skill (and the space to do so) to economically keep a car on the road :)

Have you tried higher octane gas to fix the pinging issue?

Keep in mind that MMM's guide is a few years old.

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2016, 08:20:43 PM »
Yeah its just about to reach 200,000 miles.

When everyone on the mustache forum tells you to buy something, it really must be time O_O

Regarding the guide being dated, what do you think has changed in the last couple years in the used car market?

I think I was born too soon to get an electric car, which is too bad. Maybe if I accidentally get rich as hell I'll buy a used tesla model 3 in ~12 years :)

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2016, 08:35:51 PM »
May I recommend the Hyundai accent. I have seen a few on Craigslist lately for ranging from $3000- $5000 with <50k miles and like 5-10 years old

Very basic, good gas mileage, & good commenter
My GF has one and it's treated us well

Note* that guide really still applies... I think the main message still applies at least... Buy a mass produced older car from a mostly reliable brand but not a rust bucket that has most depreciation gone that has a simple small engine because it gets good gas mileage, is easy to work on, and has easy to obtain cheap parts.
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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 09:47:30 PM »
Note* that guide really still applies... I think the main message still applies at least... Buy a mass produced older car from a mostly reliable brand but not a rust bucket that has most depreciation gone that has a simple small engine because it gets good gas mileage, is easy to work on, and has easy to obtain cheap parts.

Yeah, the guide isn't ideal because it's more along the lines of 'buy this' rather than 'use this guide to get the best used car for your money'. Especially as the advice can vary between markets (climate, which cars are popular in which country, etc).

Easiest rules to follow are:

1) Stick to something from a common brand. Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Honda, Mazda, GM, Ford, etc. Any brand in the top-ten list of highest selling brands in your market is usually a good option. Also consider badge-shared vehicles (such as the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix in North America).

2) Avoid fashion cars. By that I mean most prestige brands, most SUVs, and even pickup trucks unless you have a legitimate use for them.

3) Buy something big enough to meet your needs, but avoid buying something much bigger than you need. Needless to say, if it's only one or two people in the car all the time, you probably don't need a big sedan or an SUV. However, if you've got four kids, then a minivan is a pretty good option.

4) When buying a car, keep in mind the depreciation curve. According to the following guides, new cars lose about 60% of their value in the first five years of ownership. Of course this varies by model.

However, a car will often be economically useful for 15 years or longer. Hence, buying a five year old car would mean you're buying a car for 40-50% of the new price with 66% of it's useful life left. Naturally if you're skilled at DIY maintenance, you can get a lot longer than 15 years of serviceable life from a car, and if you live in some areas with heavily salted roads, the car may not last for 15 years before it completely rusts out (and you may be served well by buying a car from out of state if it's in better condition than local cars).

Often a five year old car will be the current model (body shape) or only one generation behind. For anything that age, most major issues should be known (maybe Google the major issues for a particular car before buying).

5) Keep in mind the amount of miles you drive. If a car is economically useful for 200,000 miles, and you do 5,000 miles a year, and looking for a five year old car, then theoretically you could buy a five year old car with up to 150,000 miles and drive it for the next decade. If you do 25,000 miles a year, you'd want to buy something with as low miles as possible.
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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2016, 06:53:09 AM »
I would take any of those you mentioned, but do some digging first.  Each of those cars have their own forums on the web and I would start reading there to find out what goes wrong when they hit that mileage and also if there's anything you need to know about that years model (i.e. was the 2009 Yaris a good/bad model year?).  If you're looking at a rebuilt title check with a few insurance companies, including your own, to see if they will insure it or not. 

Stay away from Nissan.  Sadly I am learning this lesson for you at the moment.

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2016, 01:07:42 PM »
I would stay away from a salvage title.  An insurance company wrote it off and paid the owner because in their professional opinion, they thought it was a total loss. Then someone essentially bought it from the junk yard and repaired it.  You have no way to assess the original problems, quality or extent of the repairs. 

From a reliability standpoint, I like Honda, Ford, and Toyota.

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2016, 01:27:35 PM »
The best value is probably going to be a used Hyundai - Elantra or Accent. Hyundai doesn't carry the same weight as Toyota or Honda on the used market, so prices are better and they're still reliable. 2008-2010 years should be from $5k-$8k with 100k miles or less.

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Re: What should I do about a dying car?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2016, 01:55:06 PM »
I would stay away from a salvage title.  An insurance company wrote it off and paid the owner because in their professional opinion, they thought it was a total loss. Then someone essentially bought it from the junk yard and repaired it.  You have no way to assess the original problems, quality or extent of the repairs. 

From a reliability standpoint, I like Honda, Ford, and Toyota.

Generally, yes...that said, I have a good friend who does this (buys and repairs salvage vehicles).  The last one he took in for its inspection (they have to be inspected before they're given a road-worthy title) was apparently repaired so well that the inspector said it looked like it hadn't been hit.

Without knowing the history or the quality of the repair, though, it can be risky.