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Title: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: xixtrays on May 06, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
I'm talking something that you don't need, that really has no place in living a frugal lifestyle and striving towards F.I.

Me:  I still get $65 massages at least once/month.  I know I shouldn't, but I have no intention of giving it up.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: KatieSSS on May 06, 2013, 02:43:10 PM
For me it is setting aside some money for decorating my apartment. I also love massages and get two a year. I love them and wish I could have one every week.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: the fixer on May 06, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
Climbing and mountaineering is the closest I get. The ongoing costs are insidious because they're disguised as one-time startup costs, but in fact the gear wears out regularly and needs to be replaced.

The only other close thing is a 50-mile round-trip commute to work, but this is my last week of that!
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: ghaynes on May 06, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
Maid at $190/month. Wife will not give this up.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: marty998 on May 06, 2013, 03:56:38 PM
Climbing and mountaineering is the closest I get. The ongoing costs are insidious because they're disguised as one-time startup costs, but in fact the gear wears out regularly and needs to be replaced.

The only other close thing is a 50-mile round-trip commute to work, but this is my last week of that!

Mine's a 110km round trip. But it gives me time to read MMM forums so it's not all bad
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Done by Forty on May 06, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
DirecTV.  Our renter pays 1/3rd but, still.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: brewer12345 on May 06, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
- I pay someone else to deal with my waste-of-resources lawn (that will change next year)

- Towing the camper all over the place in the summer with my F150 (not giving that one up)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: PGH on May 06, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
This is embarrassing... How I wish I could just give you one...

Get my hair cut at a salon. After years of cutting it myself or going to Great Clips, I finally figured out that my fine, limp, bane-of-my-existence hair looks freakin' FANTASTIC when it gets cut by a professional. Costs me $35 every 6 - 8 weeks. I color it myself.

Drive to the grocery store and work/errands in full clown regalia. Note: some of this will change when we move to our new house, although our icy New England winters do have a way of making the greatest resolutions fall by the wayside. On a brighter note, I bike or walk with my son to his school almost every day in non-icy weather (1.5 miles each way).

Go out for sushi instead of making it myself. (hangs head in shame...)

Buy too many perennials. Does the fact that I start my own vegetable seedlings make up for it? Probably not...
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Joet on May 06, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
I think I've been told every single line item in my monthly budget is non-mustachian. So there's that.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Jamesqf on May 06, 2013, 04:41:18 PM
The horse.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: BlueMR2 on May 06, 2013, 04:41:57 PM
I still fly airplanes to the tune of around $5000 a year.  I also still have my racecars and drop about $5000 a year into them as well.  Both are decreases from previous years though...  :-)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: ScubaAZ on May 06, 2013, 04:46:08 PM
The horse.

Me too!  Well, for now I've mitigated the cost by leasing him out, since I don't have a lot of time for him right now anyway.  But a big goal for FI is to have the time and money for a few horses I can actually enjoy.

I have other bad habits, as seen in my other posts, but I was excited to see another horse person here :)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Roastonbone on May 06, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Gardener; over $200/mo. I did the gardening myself for maybe 6 months before caving - unlike most people, when I'm outside in the sunshine tending to plants on a sunny afternoon, it makes me grumpy. I basically despise the outdoors.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Posthumane on May 06, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
I still fly airplanes to the tune of around $5000 a year.  I also still have my racecars and drop about $5000 a year into them as well.  Both are decreases from previous years though...  :-)

Ditto. My airplane costs me something like 7-8k/year once all the maintenance, insurance, parking, fuel, etc. is added up. I've offset the cost slightly by renting it out, but it's not a huge difference. While I've been intending to downsize for a while I haven't been able to fully commit to doing so, and I doubt I'd give up flying altogether.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: daverobev on May 06, 2013, 05:08:26 PM
Computer addiction - I just love getting, building, installing, configuring laptops and PCs. I have 3... 4 laptops (2008 netbook, second hand 2005? iBook, 2011 Dell Vostro, second hand 2008? Dell Latitude), a desktop (gaming), Playbook, iPad (which I hate but actually I use that for work - testing websites), etc, etc.

Bought a Crown Victoria about 3 months before I needed a car at all, and.. well, it's a Crown Victoria! (In my defense: It cost less than $3k, and I'm getting a hitch on it, and I managed to get 8l/100km on the weekend which is pretty amazing - 'ideal conditions' obviously!!)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: KulshanGirl on May 06, 2013, 05:15:05 PM
I drive 2 miles to work each day, twice. 

Also, it's time I made a confession.  I am ... an adult fan of Lego.  *ducks the facepunches*  There really is no justification for this but it is super fun, nerdtastic, meditative, creative ... it's also fooking expensive.  I've toned it down since finding the mustachian way.  My little one and I play with them and I have a shameful amount that is mine, all mine.  There, I've said it.  :)  Heh.

Now I can make me a minifig avatar. 

 
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: bigchrisb on May 06, 2013, 05:19:07 PM
I pay for a gym membership and a personal trainer.  I then drive myself to the gym.  Thousands of dollars a year I don't really need to spend. 

It drives me nuts, as I know I should be able to keep fit without it.  But I've always struggled with weight and fitness, and this means that I'm at least working on it.  As it seems to get results, I view it as expensive, but good value.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Adventine on May 06, 2013, 05:51:32 PM
Eating out. A lot. It makes me happy. I make up for it in other ways.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Rollin on May 06, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
Taking long multi day motorcycle trips (50 mpg).  Worse yet, long multi day boating trips (5 mpg).  Both do not usually include any lodging fees as I camp on my boat or stay with friends or rough it while on the motorcycle trips.  Also, food on the boat costs same as if I were home (I bring food with me).
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: smalllife on May 06, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Live by myself - I could save $100 per month with roommates but it keeps me sane to have someplace quiet to come back to, know the cats are okay, and that I don't have to worry about anyone turning into a psychob*tch on me (been there = not.fun.).   

Sports - $60/month.  To be fair this works out great from a per hour perspective, is my main social life, and a great networking venue for my introverted self.  The community is amazing, is a part time job, and got me my current job.  So really, actually super mustachian.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: nktokyo on May 06, 2013, 07:13:28 PM
I go work in cafe's when I could work at home.

Reason is it gets me out of the house and I like their coffee. However it's paid for by passive income so I don't kill myself over it :-)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Stachsquatch on May 06, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
Commute to work... it's only 6 miles too, but my wussypants excuse is that the highway I would have to ride along has no shoulder essentially, but I am not convinced that safety here is a valid excuse or me being lame.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Dynasty on May 06, 2013, 08:00:34 PM
Financed a brand new 2013 automobile, that is not a hatchback. Commute 32 miles round trip five days a week. Bicycle has been in the basement with a flat tire for over three years.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: mlipps on May 06, 2013, 08:38:49 PM
Drive to the grocery at least 3 times a month out of four, despite living in flat, bike able Chicago. And proceed to spend an average of $400/month on groceries for two people. Also, my "shopping" budget of $200/month that always seems to run over....
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: FiveSigmas on May 06, 2013, 09:16:02 PM
Also, it's time I made a confession.  I am ... an adult fan of Lego.  *ducks the facepunches*  There really is no justification for this but it is super fun, nerdtastic, meditative, creative ... it's also fooking expensive.  I've toned it down since finding the mustachian way.  My little one and I play with them and I have a shameful amount that is mine, all mine.  There, I've said it.  :)  Heh.

Hey, that's nothing to be ashamed of! (Well, maybe a face-punch for the expense of the bricks...)

My coworkers go *crazy* for Lego. They've got 6-foot tall space-needles, death-stars, etc... out on display at the office. It's fun to see what new stuff they've come up with. A wife of a friend has been building a Hogwarts academy for the past several years that she takes on tour to the various geek-cons. I think it's still growing.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: MountainFlower on May 06, 2013, 09:19:13 PM
I live in a 3500 sq foot log home + full walkout basement with a big honkin mortgage to go along with it.  It's passive solar...does that help?   We built this house (most of it DIY) and I have no plans to move.   I do plan to rent out the basement.

I drive 35 miles each way to work, in an SUV.  AWD is required equipment, but I'm not so sure that an SUV is

My skinny 6'4" husband is an eating machine and our grocery bills are insane.  Starting to get a handle on this, slowly.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Dr.Vibrissae on May 06, 2013, 09:30:45 PM
We have two vehicles even though we have so little need for two that I have been lending/leasing the Crown Vic to a colleague for weeks at a time while she is in town for the last 5 months (at least that offsets the cost somewhat). 
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Jamesqf on May 06, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
The horse.

Me too!  Well, for now I've mitigated the cost by leasing him out, since I don't have a lot of time for him right now anyway.  But a big goal for FI is to have the time and money for a few horses I can actually enjoy.

I have other bad habits, as seen in my other posts, but I was excited to see another horse person here :)

Well, to be honest I'm sort of an accidental horseperson.  I'm friends with a couple: she's very much into horses, he doesn't ride at all, so for years I'd go along on her trail rides to keep her company, me walking/running alongside her horse.  And she kept nagging me that I should get a horse too.  Finally, under the influence of drugs (Zyrtec makes you stupid!) I gave in, and adopted this "free to good home" mare, the deal being that I'd pay food & bills, and she would keep it at her place with her 3.  So we get her home, I sit on her [once], and she develops hoof problems, racking up a thousand or so in vet bills &c.  6 months later, hooves are better and we're just about to start riding, when she kicks through a metal stable wall and darned near cuts her hoof off.  Just lucky we were there when it happened: I spent a hour trying to hold a tourniquet on the leg, wondering if she was going to bleed out before the vet could get there.  Don't even want to think about the vet bills on that one.  Then there was a couple of years of hand-walking her for rehab, before I could even think of riding.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: N on May 06, 2013, 10:55:04 PM
I dont have a bike (but a lot of fears and excuses!)

We do only have one car though, so my husband and I share it during the week. a couple of days I take the bus with the kids.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: limeandpepper on May 06, 2013, 11:06:05 PM
This is going to be quite the list...

I eat out or get takeaway, often more than once a week. (The food scene here is deliciously vibrant and multicultural.)
Take public transport instead of cycle, because traffic makes me nervous. (However, I don't have a car, so yay for that.)
Train martial arts. (Cool stuff, but not cheap.)

All that, plus travelling, and other things I spend on occasionally that I don't absolutely have to.

Still, I don't spend much on other things, and on a salary that is lower than average for where I live, I'm happy with my savings rate - 40%+. Having said that, if I could reduce or cut out the above, it could potentially get up to 50%+, so, yeah, something to think about...
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: orcas50 on May 06, 2013, 11:20:42 PM
Amazing that I've been reading this blog for over a year and this is the first post I choose to respond to... something about feeling less guilty about my choices after seeing that other aspiring Mustachians aren't perfect.

I have at least 3 non-mustachian things:
1. We downhill ski, buying season passes for our local ski area. We make it a goal for our family of 4 to ski at least least 20 days per season, which brings down the cost per day considerably, but still, skiing is hardly a Mustachian sport/activity.
2. I have expensive taste in outdoors-inspired women's clothing. Think Patagonia, REI, and anything from the Title Nine catalog.
3. We travel a fair amount, not always frugally. While we do our share of camping and hiking-type vacations, we have also gone to Hawaii every year for the past 3 years, and are planning our second (and last) trip to Disneyland with our kids in a few months.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: totoro on May 07, 2013, 02:27:00 AM
We ski. My kids have had lessons for four years now.  We have a boat.  I have an expensive cell phone plan for business reasons.  I pay for an accountant to do my business and personal taxes.  We pay people to paint.

I have no problem with any of these things, except paying for personal tax returns which will change next year.  Why not?  I guess because we are financially ok, continuously investing, and these seem worth it based on my internal spending clock which Is usually pretty reliable.  Cable tv, new cars, new clothes, consumer debt, and a lot of eating out are out.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: chatsc on May 07, 2013, 06:26:41 AM
I love this thread.  It makes people seem so much more human...

We bought a cottage last year.  We have no plans to rent it out to offset the upkeep cost/mortgage payments.  It is mine all mine.   I don't even like to lend it to friends/family.  (haha, i don't even like to tell people where it is located...). 
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: ace1224 on May 07, 2013, 07:02:31 AM
books.  i order books from amazon and line them up on my bookshelf and it makes me so happy! i tell myself that because i re-read them its okay that i pre-order all the new release and must own entire series.

and going out to eat sushi.  i like it a lot. 

and buying the fancy pants organic milk that comes in the glass bottle just because i am fascinated by it.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: happy on May 07, 2013, 07:12:56 AM
Well not EVERY line on my budget is non-mustachian, but we still have 59k a year expenses, mainly due to things I feel committed to see through, although I would not do again in hind sight e.g. private school fees, medium size SUV (7 years old, bought with cash). I'm projecting a reduction by 10k a year for the next 3 years as some of these commitments phase out.

Still pining for the horse, which will be my personal non-stache delight. I'm determined it will come.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: jpo on May 07, 2013, 08:40:26 AM
A lot of these things I would argue are actually Mustachian, as you people are mindfully spending money on what is important to you.

My biggest one is this overpriced rental that is too far from work. We do like (most of) the neighborhood though.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: cynthia1848 on May 07, 2013, 08:46:46 AM
Lots!

- drive to work (12 miles) instead of taking public transport, and park ($15/day)
- take-out too often
- we go out to eat at a nice place about once a week ($100 plus babysitting)
- I buy nice clothes and makeup
- We get cable with HBO
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Taylor on May 07, 2013, 08:59:45 AM
Snowboarding. I love it like a fat id loves cake, but man is it expensive. Season pass ($400), gas to and from (In a Prius, so at least that's something). I rarely buy new gear, but every other year I need to replace something. This year I plan to buy a new snowboard coat as mine is old, stained, and no longer fits due to weight loss.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: thefrugaltwo on May 07, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
I have super sensitive skin, so I buy really fancy all natural face sunscreen from the whole body store, there is only one brand that doesn't irritate my skin, so I spend about $27 on that every two months. I rationalize it because I don't really wear makeup or eat out, or spend much on anything else. Something about a nice skin product also feels really luxurious to me, like I went to a spa, it's cheaper than a facial I guess! 

I also feel like I spend a lot of money on razors, but every time I try to buy a cheaper brand they are TERRIBLE and cut me to pieces. If anyone has a good tip on razors, I'm listening! 

Oh and I almost forgot, I don't buy cheap footwear. I don't buy ridiculous designer things, but it has to be very high quality, I like real leather, well constructed, supportive shoes, and they just cost more than cheaply made shoes. It's worth it though because I'm a ballet dancer and I have worked too hard on my body/muscles/flexibility to mess up my feet with cheap shoes.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: davisgang90 on May 07, 2013, 10:46:31 AM
You guys are amateurs!

Bad News: I have a big credit card balance and 3 car payments.

Good News: I'm in mustache mode and tracking to pay off all debts in about a year and a half.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: matchewed on May 07, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
Games. I enjoy a variety of games, video games, board games mostly. So every 5-8 years I build a fairly beefy PC that can handle for another 5-8 years with occasional upgrades.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: mlipps on May 07, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
I have super sensitive skin, so I buy really fancy all natural face sunscreen from the whole body store, there is only one brand that doesn't irritate my skin, so I spend about $27 on that every two months. I rationalize it because I don't really wear makeup or eat out, or spend much on anything else. Something about a nice skin product also feels really luxurious to me, like I went to a spa, it's cheaper than a facial I guess! 

I also feel like I spend a lot of money on razors, but every time I try to buy a cheaper brand they are TERRIBLE and cut me to pieces. If anyone has a good tip on razors, I'm listening! 

Oh and I almost forgot, I don't buy cheap footwear. I don't buy ridiculous designer things, but it has to be very high quality, I like real leather, well constructed, supportive shoes, and they just cost more than cheaply made shoes. It's worth it though because I'm a ballet dancer and I have worked too hard on my body/muscles/flexibility to mess up my feet with cheap shoes.

I don't know what brand of razors you buy, but if it's just the fancy Venus/Schick ones, stalk the CVS ads & your newspaper coupons. I have a stockpile that I've gotten for free in this fashion.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Rural on May 07, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
We eat out too much, once and sometimes twice a week. At least it's cheap here.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: ScubaAZ on May 07, 2013, 12:00:10 PM
The horse.

Well, to be honest I'm sort of an accidental horseperson.  I'm friends with a couple: she's very much into horses, he doesn't ride at all, so for years I'd go along on her trail rides to keep her company, me walking/running alongside her horse.  And she kept nagging me that I should get a horse too.  Finally, under the influence of drugs (Zyrtec makes you stupid!) I gave in, and adopted this "free to good home" mare, the deal being that I'd pay food & bills, and she would keep it at her place with her 3.  So we get her home, I sit on her [once], and she develops hoof problems, racking up a thousand or so in vet bills &c.  6 months later, hooves are better and we're just about to start riding, when she kicks through a metal stable wall and darned near cuts her hoof off.  Just lucky we were there when it happened: I spent a hour trying to hold a tourniquet on the leg, wondering if she was going to bleed out before the vet could get there.  Don't even want to think about the vet bills on that one.  Then there was a couple of years of hand-walking her for rehab, before I could even think of riding.

Oh my, that is terrible!  She is lucky that she found you, a lot of people probably would have put her down after such an accident.  We had a horse slit her throat on a dead tree stump and bleed out in minutes.  It was awful, knowing the vet couldn't get there in time, or really do anything to help save her.

I think the standard saying is that horse is the cheapest part of owning a horse, especially since they eat 30 pounds of hay per day, at $20 a bale (100 lbs) here in AZ.   I've grown up with them all my life, and I've raised my current horse since he was born-- he turned 13 this year.  So he's really like my 1,100 lb child at this point.  Funny you mention running next to the horse.  All through college, since I didn't have time to go to the gym and ride, I would run with him trotting along beside me like a dog.  I got some weird looks, but it killed 2 birds with one stone.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Arbor33 on May 07, 2013, 12:17:37 PM
I've got a couple.

My worst is that I end up buying things for friends/my lady friend. My friends are cheap so I often buy things with no reciprocation ie. drinks, food, and even a train ticket or two. The girl I'm dating tries to pay here and there but I feel so un-chivalrous accepting that I just don't.

In second, I've just acquired a puppy as a first time dog owner. Doesn't eat as much as a horse, but still an unnecessary expense.

I also drive more frequently than I ought to, and it's a truck I'm driving. A truck that's been financed! (almost paid off) I could take the bike to work but it wouldn't leave me enough time to come home and take the dog out. Makes it kind of tough.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: Jamesqf on May 07, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
I think the standard saying is that horse is the cheapest part of owning a horse, especially since they eat 30 pounds of hay per day, at $20 a bale (100 lbs) here in AZ.

Yeah, I used to joke about that with my friend, saying that if you bought all the other stuff, they should just throw in a horse for free.  Famous last words :-)

Hay's not so bad here, about $15/bale, and cheaper when we can buy it by the truckload from local farmers.   

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Funny you mention running next to the horse.  All through college, since I didn't have time to go to the gym and ride, I would run with him trotting along beside me like a dog.  I got some weird looks, but it killed 2 birds with one stone.

I still do that on most every ride.  I know some people claim riding is exercise, but it's not for me, other than a few specific muscle groups.  So I'll ride a couple of miles, then hop off and walk or jog for a bit.  I also think it's good for building trust. 

But I think we're getting into thread drift territory...
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: maryofdoom on May 07, 2013, 01:06:20 PM
I commute 16 miles each way to work--even though work gives me a bus pass--and lease a parking space.

(I've done the math on this. My hourly wage actually goes up if I drive myself to work, due to the overall crappiness of the public transit system to and from my house. I did find the cheapest possible parking space in the area, which is half the price of what the university charges to park in their lots. And I am petrified to bike all the way in, because the road is a 45-mph-speed-limit highway with no bike lane for about twelve miles, then goes straight through an unsafe neighborhood. And I am terribly out of shape and cannot figure out how to reliably shift gears on my bike to make it not suck to bike to places.)

We are none of us perfect.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: SMMcP on May 07, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
I read this on another blog (Afford Anything): "I cut ruthlessly on things that don't matter so I can spend lavishly on the things I love most".  This is my philosophy too.  It sounds like this is what most of you are doing, avoiding wasting money on things that don't really add to your happiness so you can spend on what is really important to you.  Only you can decide what that is whether it is massages, climbing gear, snowboarding or books.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: pbkmaine on May 07, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
Living outside of town in a log cabin on a river. We have to drive to get most places, but the peace and beauty of the place heals my soul.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: galaxie on May 07, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
I have an expensive-ass house.  SO expensive.  ($715k.) Sure, it's a duplex and the other half generates income, but we could have lived out in the burbs instead of where we do.  It's just nice here.  I can't help it.  It's so nice.

I also have a $90/month gym membership and a $300/month "frivolous" budget.  And we eat out a lot.

But we carpool, we save enough money that we can retire as soon as the house is paid off (14 years at the latest), and over 60% of our non-savings budget goes toward aggressively paying off the house (our only debt). 
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: I Love Cake on May 07, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
I spend $60 per month on waxing
$230 every 6 months on my hair-cut and colour

Expensive cable-$110 per month
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: citrine on May 07, 2013, 04:44:31 PM
We eat out or order in about 2 times a week.
DH refuses to give up HD cable.
Home Depot...we love to renovate and update our house :) but we do it only with cash saved up.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: yolfer on May 08, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
For our family it's a tie between:

1. the amount we spend at restaurants
2. we still have a car and a scooter, even though we live in a dense urban area with great walk/bike paths, 2 car-share programs, and multiple modes of public transit.

(But for the restaurant thing, my wife owns a food truck so we often use the excuse "competitive analysis" when we dine out)
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: starbuck on May 08, 2013, 08:14:17 PM
My $35 container of hair styling cream. It's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: LizzyBee on May 08, 2013, 09:41:21 PM
A couple people have mentioned it, but I eat out. Usually once a week (sometimes 2) and about once a month at a really fancy place. This weekend we will probably spend close to $150 on one meal out and I am super excited for the food and atmosphere. When we eat out I want it to be super delicious and super cheap ethnic food or I want to it to be one of the best restaurants my city has to offer (which are usually pretty expensive). To me, this is part of the fun of living in an urban city. I wouldn't give it up (though we have cut back considerably) and plan on maintaining my eating out habit into FI.
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Post by: meadow lark on May 10, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
Eating out.  I spend a ridiculous amount on it.
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: BZB on May 10, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
rent a 3 bedroom house for 2 adults, one toddler $1350/month
also spend too much on groceries
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Post by: snellbert on May 10, 2013, 09:56:38 PM
We spend a crap-ton of $ on our fancy organic groceries. Usually $600 a month for two adults and two wee kids.  It'll actually probably be closer to $900 this month, since we've had out-of-town family stay with us twice and are hosting a large-ish party next week.

Sometimes I buy $2.50 cans of soup. And it's friggin delicious and BPA free, so I'm not stopping!
Title: Re: What is the most non-stache thing that you still do?
Post by: brokeresident on May 11, 2013, 08:46:49 AM
Right now for me it's probably the amount of soda I consume. I loooove the taste of Diet Coke and probably drink 3-4 cans a day.

I've cut my spending in other areas to accommodate this.
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Post by: Theadyn on May 11, 2013, 09:14:09 AM
Dating.  Don't like feeling like I'm looking for a free ride and will try to pay or offer to pay my share most of the time, and get taken up on it quite often.  (wonder if that's something I should think about while considering if I should continue to see them, I don't know)

Alcohol.  Does me no good and can get expensive.

Dish.  Under contract for another year and half.

Online shopping.  I loathe physically going to a place to shop.  I don't buy useless stuff, though.  For example, I needed medical scrubs for new part time job a few months ago.  Instead of going to a store to try them on to purchase them (the closest are about 100 miles away, so I justify the shipping costs to gas consumed to drive), I shop online and purchase.  It's worth any shipping cost to not have to suffer the torture of going shopping.  If I get something that doesn't fit right I'll donate to our local thrift shop, who's earnings go to feed our local aging residents. 

Live alone.  Could rent out the spare room, but as a previous poster said, it's worth my peace of mind to have my own space to come home to.  (if mortgage was a lot higher than my $350 a month or I was desperate, there would be that option though)
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Post by: daverobev on May 11, 2013, 10:37:30 AM
Dating.  Don't like feeling like I'm looking for a free ride and will try to pay or offer to pay my share most of the time, and get taken up on it quite often.  (wonder if that's something I should think about while considering if I should continue to see them, I don't know)

Ha, which way do you lean on that?? Takes you up on it = mustachian themselves, or takes you up on it = money you could've saved?

Funny old business, this gender equality thing.
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Post by: psychomoustache on May 11, 2013, 01:26:50 PM
I love this thread.  It makes people seem so much more human...

Amen!

OK - do we start with the Coke Zero addiction that I mentioned in another thread...? Nah.

How's this then (though I too can find non-mustachian things in Every Line of my Budget)... I love Flea Market/Junk Sales/Antique fair crap. Today, I bought my sixth old radio dating from about the late 50's. They don't work, they are in a pile, and I use them as plant stands. I love how they look - the old wood, the dials with all the cities in the world, the funky curves and swirls...

The one I bought today weighs like 10 pounds and looks kind of like an old suitcase - it's suppposed to be "portable". It's beige and green and looks like it's from another planet. Love, exciting and new...

If I could have today - I would have bought a bunch of old telephones. Same thing, to sit in a pile and look cool in a corner of my living room. Oh, there was also an old Fencing Helmet/Mask - I'd have put that on the wall. Because. It's cool and strange. There were piles of old pipes - I'd have hung them up too...

I have a thing for strange clutter.
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Post by: Soccermom2b on May 11, 2013, 02:23:07 PM
NBA playoff tickets (just once this year), as I had never been to a playoff game before.  Sat in the nosebleeds, but had to pay a sitter while we were gone.  Ultimately, it ran about $100 for the two of us to have a night out and return with a free t-shirt, but our team won and it was tremendously entertaining.
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Post by: mikefixac on May 11, 2013, 11:01:30 PM
Today I rode my 85 MPG scooter to the library and on the way I'm thinking, "Boy, I hope MMM doesn't see this";-)(you know, instead of riding my bicycle)

No shit, I sometimes wonder what he'd think if I had him over my house. SUV, house-keeper, and who knows what else he'd find. That's okay though, he'd still be welcome anytime.
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Post by: Prairie Gal on May 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM
 - Living in a 3 bedroom house by myself, well with my dog and cat. Thinking of downsizing in the next 1-2 years.
 - Have both a land line and an I phone. I need the land line so I can have a fax machine for a side-gig job I do from home. I phone will be gone once the contract is up. Will go back to a cheap pay as you go phone.
 - Satellite dish. I have cut down the programming but I'm not ready to give it up completely. I have looked at Net Flix, but at least here in Canada the programming looks pretty crappy.
 - Probably spend too much on groceries for one person, plus the pets. Have gone to a cash system to see if that helps me be more mindful of what I am spending.
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Post by: MMMdude on May 12, 2013, 10:00:18 AM
For me it's golf. Probably spend 1200 per year on green fees and driving range.  I love it though and plan to play until i can't
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Post by: daverobev on May 12, 2013, 11:03:17 AM
I don't think hobbies are particularly un-mustachian - when the doing of the thing directly brings enjoyment.

Even flying a plane and skiing? Hmm. I'd say figuring out a way of *lowering* those costs is mustachian (eg, not flying to the French Alps, when there are perfectly good ski hills close by!), and obviously doing any of them when you are in serious debt is bad, but... playing golf? I don't think so...

For me, the computer thing is just... collecting junk. I don't need so many computers, it's stupid, it's wasteful. But playing golf (environmental impacts completely aside)... no, no. I think it doesn't count.
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Post by: Jane on May 12, 2013, 12:32:06 PM
Drive everywhere. Drive to the gym, drive to the grocery store (2 mi away), drive to my job (3 mi away). I love to exercise but hate (hate) biking. Just give me my curly wig and big red nose and call it a day.

Bought a new car last year, but we do plan to keep it until it dies...at least 15+ years hopefully.

We still have basic cable. It's my husband's big vice. He really does get a lot of enjoyment from it, even watching it on an old 20 inch tube TV. We did get rid of the cable box and DVR for our HDTV recently.
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Post by: FiveSigmas on May 12, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
- Have both a land line and an I phone. I need the land line so I can have a fax machine for a side-gig job I do from home. I phone will be gone once the contract is up. Will go back to a cheap pay as you go phone.

Prairie Gal, have you considered using an internet-based fax service? I haven't used one myself, but a web-search for "internet fax" turns up quite a few. Depending on the cost of your home line and the number of faxes you need to send/receive, it may be a little bit cheaper.
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Post by: travelbug on May 12, 2013, 09:03:04 PM
We have a weekly house cleaner. I would give up alot of things before she will go!!!

We have monthly massages. Bliss. But very indulgent.

We travel alot. This will continue in FI and is our huge luxury that is not negotiable. Our drug of choice..

That said, we save 90% of our income and are on track to be retired next year.
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Post by: icefr on May 12, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
We have monthly massages. Bliss. But very indulgent.

Does your health insurance cover this? I have a high deductible plan, but my health insurance still covers massages at only 10% coinsurance (up to a certain maximum), so long as you get a referral from your doctor, which is pretty easy to do at your free preventative annual check-up.
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Post by: imustachemystash on May 12, 2013, 11:01:59 PM
We budget $400 per month ($50 a week each) for our "fun money".  It's nice not having to consult with my husband over every frivolous purchase.  That money covers entertainment, outings, and occasional eating out.
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Post by: vern on May 12, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
First class airfare.  (In my defense I'm really tall.)

But it's a 13 1/2 hour flight from Seattle to Taipei and I slept 9 hours in a row last year.  You can't put a price on that!
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Post by: The Dutchman on May 13, 2013, 07:28:57 AM
Shooting!

I love going to the range and squeezing a couple of boxes down range at some paper.  Equally as fun is going and shooting trap and skeet for a hour or two.  I end up sending 50 bucks of lead down the range in an afternoon.  (I love it and will not stop)

I have a .44 mag which previously cost me 1 $/round to shoot.  I now reload and it is down around .24 $/round.
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Post by: The Dutchman on May 13, 2013, 07:31:26 AM
We are about to spend $50k+/year of our own money to send our kids to a better private school. 

My kids are 2 years and the second is 2 months.  Wife and I have already talked about this and will be doing the same.  We both came from private Lutheran schools and wouldn't change it for the world.  We want our kids to have the same great experience. 
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Post by: MorningCoffee on May 13, 2013, 07:47:15 AM

 - Satellite dish. I have cut down the programming but I'm not ready to give it up completely. I have looked at Net Flix, but at least here in Canada the programming looks pretty crappy.


Prairie Gal - You can get American Netflix in Canada. We haven't done it yet but have many friends who have. It's an extra $5 per month to get a US DNS, which will then let you access American Netflix. It's supposed to be really simple to do.

There's also the option of OTA antanna... have you tried to see if you'd get any reception? Try your address on tvfool.com to see if you would catch any stations. All we have right now is an indoor antanna (that just sits on our tv stand) and we get 14 channels. For free. Party on.
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Post by: Starstuff on May 13, 2013, 12:07:54 PM
I've got a couple.

My worst is that I end up buying things for friends/my lady friend. My friends are cheap so I often buy things with no reciprocation ie. drinks, food, and even a train ticket or two. The girl I'm dating tries to pay here and there but I feel so un-chivalrous accepting that I just don't.

In second, I've just acquired a puppy as a first time dog owner. Doesn't eat as much as a horse, but still an unnecessary expense.

I also drive more frequently than I ought to, and it's a truck I'm driving. A truck that's been financed! (almost paid off) I could take the bike to work but it wouldn't leave me enough time to come home and take the dog out. Makes it kind of tough.

Oh don't pull that chivalry bull. I wouldn't date a guy who wouldn't let me pay because he felt "un-chivalrous." But I'm with you on the biking... It would add a like two hours every day to my already obscenely long work days.

I also eat out... and drive to places I shouldn't... But biking hurts my back, and I'm paying $1,500 a month towards my debt. So I don't feel too awful.
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Post by: catmustache on May 13, 2013, 12:57:53 PM
Road trips with associated eating out in new places. Every once in a while, especially in spring, I experience crazy wanderlust. Little road trips keep me sane before I spend ridiculous amounts on other things.
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Post by: icefr on May 13, 2013, 01:12:22 PM
The girl I'm dating tries to pay here and there but I feel so un-chivalrous accepting that I just don't.

Oh don't pull that chivalry bull. I wouldn't date a guy who wouldn't let me pay because he felt "un-chivalrous."

+1 Absolute deal breaker, hands down and one of the main reasons I ended my last relationship. I'm serious. Paying for someone else constantly goes beyond the socially acceptable rules of being polite to other people. It treats a woman as not an equal when a relationship is a partnership of two people. First few dates, as you're getting to know each other, nbd, but months in? Ugh! It's actually unchivalrous to not let her pay. How long have you been dating her?
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Post by: Apocalyptica602 on May 13, 2013, 01:28:18 PM
Home theater equipment /  Gaming / PC enthusiast. Like someone earlier in the thread every ~5 years or so I'll build a near top of the line computer, my most recent one built in November 2011 was $1700 in parts alone for just the tower.

Typing this from a 60'' LCD TV as well... it's a barebones Sharp, $1100 new ~2 years ago. Funny thing about TV's: all that 'smart' crap adds thousands of dollars that could just as easily be added on by connecting your existing computer with a cable worth a few bucks from a reputable website like monoprice.com

(Also, those $80 HDMI cables you see at best buy are the worst dollar for dollar mark ups I can think of. Worse than restaurant wine or bottle service at a nightclub vs liquor store.)

...Also I downhill ski.

And... I drink probably more than I should with friends on the weekends as well. Although the past year or two I've taken to bringing a flask out or having beers at one of our homes with us instead so the days of 'buying rounds after rounds' are long gone thankfully.
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Post by: Arbor33 on May 14, 2013, 06:20:06 AM
The girl I'm dating tries to pay here and there but I feel so un-chivalrous accepting that I just don't.

Oh don't pull that chivalry bull. I wouldn't date a guy who wouldn't let me pay because he felt "un-chivalrous."

+1 Absolute deal breaker, hands down and one of the main reasons I ended my last relationship. I'm serious. Paying for someone else constantly goes beyond the socially acceptable rules of being polite to other people. It treats a woman as not an equal when a relationship is a partnership of two people. First few dates, as you're getting to know each other, nbd, but months in? Ugh! It's actually unchivalrous to not let her pay. How long have you been dating her?

About 3 weeks as of the writing of my previous comment. We don't have a title, still in that getting to know each other phase. For what it's worth, she has bought me a drink once or twice so my previous comment wasn't 100% truthful.
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Post by: DreamingofFreedom on May 14, 2013, 06:27:12 AM
My cable subscription.  But I've calculated the exact number of extra months of work it takes to pay for cable and decided it was worth it.
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Post by: hybrid on May 14, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
Games. I enjoy a variety of games, video games, board games mostly. So every 5-8 years I build a fairly beefy PC that can handle for another 5-8 years with occasional upgrades.

I'm a Eurogamer (that's nerdspeak for games like Settlers of Catan and Carcassone that you might have heard of and literally hundreds you may have no idea even exist, and are mostly developed in Europe where they are passionate about strategy board gaming) and I think strategy board gaming is a very Mustachian thing to do.  It's social, inexpensive, and genuinely fun.  Also, many of these games reward the most efficient way to accomplish the games goals, so they help train the mind to look for efficiencies and to think outside of the box IMO.  As for the video games, if that's the most non-stache thing you still do then I tip my virtual hat to you!

I'm new to the site (one of the Washington Post newbies) and I have a laundry list of things to change.  But first and foremost is exiting my local country club (which requires 30 days notice and the blessing of missus stasche, the latter of which was just secured).  I've really enjoyed golfing there the past eight years, but I know I would enjoy retiring early that much more!  That money is queued to paying off our rental a lot earlier than we figured.  After that eating out too much, after that I drive entirely too much, but I do have the bike at least.
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Post by: ScottEric on May 14, 2013, 08:41:47 AM
We bought a house that needs tons of work.  We're spending ridiculous amounts of money on it right now, about half of which is for stuff we don't need, but decided was important to us.  We paid for all of it from savings, and by putting down a really small down payment.

It's also farther away from both our jobs, we're going from less than 5 miles away to about 10 miles away.  I plan on biking it/working from home at least one day a week/bike to commuter rail sometimes.  It's gonna more than triple our commuting budget from like $150 a month for both of us to potentially as much as $300-400.

Didn't pay off the last of our student loans before buying a house.  We still have 6K left that we should probably just pay off.

Partner works 3/5ths schedule to pursue creative/artistic career. 

I have a decent bike/roadbike habit...but haven't spent anything on that this year since we're in house renovation mode.

We also eat out a lot, especially lately since we're renovation-exhausted. 
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Post by: Frankies Girl on May 14, 2013, 01:57:30 PM
I'm guilty of the following:

Professional haircut and color every 6 weeks.

Husband and I eat out quite a bit per month. (we both keep saying we need to cut back, but we really like food)

Pedicure about 2 times a year.

When we take vacations (once a year, usually 4 day long weekends) we stay at fancy hotels.
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Post by: bo_knows on May 14, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Groceries for sure.  We spend ~$650/mo for 2 adults and an infant.  We like to buy organic meats, berries, and some veggies. I like a good dark chocolate bar.  We don't eat a lot of cheap grains, so that hurts this category.  But, I figure that if this is our worst expense, we're doing alright.

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Post by: MrsStubble on May 14, 2013, 02:47:21 PM
So glad someone created this post.   Feel a little less guilty now.   I also drive to/from work.   It's not far but I work nights and the little city I work in is surprisingly unsafe, so im just plain scared.  I do try to limit the other driving though.  We live close enough to other stores to not have to drive on weekends or after work (we bike or just walk) unless we are hitting up lowes/home depot and Costco which is one big trip since all those stores are in one shopping center.

Last year my 15 year old beater died and i went out I and bought a newer (2009) used Subaru Forrester for 15000 that is not quite paid off yet (4 more months). This is the 2nd car I've ever owned (I'm in my mid 30's) and I think we can make it last for another 12-15 years as well. I love this car and I will gladly take the face punch for it after spending those last few years constantly tinkering with that other car to keep it running.  My husband and I needed a break from car repair.