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What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:13:02 PM »
I'm curious to know, how bad is it to microwave my food? What exactly happens to it at a chemical or cellular level?  I've been having ongoing muscle tightness for a few years now and no matter how much I stretch or sit in the sauna it never quite goes away.  I would like to ask the doctors or nutritionists here how much damage am I doing to myself when I microwave food at my job since I can't cook there and have fresh food?  I recently got a copy of my last blood test from 2 years back and I'm trying to learn more about my body so all help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 08:20:59 PM »
After getting pummeled by millions of radioactive electromagnetic thanks grid! waves the molecules in your food bounce around at rapid speeds like kids wired on cotton candy in a County Fair bumper car attraction. All the bouncing generates heat and after a preset period of time, the magic machine goes *beep* and out comes a steaming plate of food.
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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 08:29:31 PM »
After getting pummeled by millions of radioactive waves the molecules in your food bounce around at rapid speeds like kids wired on cotton candy in a County Fair bumper car attraction. All the bouncing generates heat and after a preset period of time, the magic machine goes *beep* and out comes a steaming plate of food.

I kind of like the above description, but I hope TuxedoEagle will allow me to suggest that "radioactive" be replaced by "electromagnetic".  Any light we see is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and microwaves are another part of that spectrum, longer than infrared waves, but shorter than radio waves.  When you get waves that are shorter than visible light, things get dangerous (ultraviolet light, gamma and X-rays).

After a little more reading, it looks like the water molecules in food are the most excitable.  Cool.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 08:30:45 PM »
This was a problem on my freshman year chemistry exam.  The short answer: microwaves heat up the water in the food only, without altering the chemical structure of the food.

Water molecules are polar.  H2O has two hydrogens sticking off of the oxygen at an angle, making a little V shape.  The bonds in this molecule are bendy can be excited a number of ways (there are two vibrational modes and a bending mode, plus technically a rotational mode that doesn't really work so well for heating).  Each mode absorbs a different frequency of energy, which incidentally is why water is such an effective greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

Microwaves emit energy at a frequency designed to excite the vibrational modes of water molecules, with a slight deliberate error in the frequency so that the water molecules are constantly reorienting and trying to vibrate even more, rather than just setting up a static resonance.  Heat is just molecular vibration.  So by exposing your food to microwaves, you are vibrating the water molecules and thus heating them up.

The energies and frequences used in a microwave are of the wrong frequency and too low powered to alter the chemical structure or DNA of food.  They can't even strip off loose hydrogen atoms.  If you're worried about chemically altering your food, you should be much more concerned about your regular oven or, even worse, your BBQ grill.  That black stuff on the outside of your burger is far more likely to give you cancer than your microwave is.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 08:31:59 PM »
Radioactive waves

More than a bit misleading, especially considering this is probably one of the things OP is concerned about. Microwaves emit electromagnetic radiation, which is entirely different from radioactivity and more similar to the light all around us, or those heat lamps gas stations use to keep you pizza warm all day. Whether that is harmful or not is a different discussion (I say don't worry about it), but it is not radioactivity.

http://www.fda.gov/radiation-emittingproducts/resourcesforyouradiationemittingproducts/ucm252762.htm

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 11:28:26 PM »
After getting pummeled by millions of radioactive waves the molecules in your food bounce around at rapid speeds like kids wired on cotton candy in a County Fair bumper car attraction. All the bouncing generates heat and after a preset period of time, the magic machine goes *beep* and out comes a steaming plate of food.

I kind of like the above description, but I hope TuxedoEagle will allow me to suggest that "radioactive" be replaced by "electromagnetic".  Any light we see is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and microwaves are another part of that spectrum, longer than infrared waves, but shorter than radio waves.  When you get waves that are shorter than visible light, things get dangerous (ultraviolet light, gamma and X-rays).

After a little more reading, it looks like the water molecules in food are the most excitable.  Cool.

Minor correction: sometimes the machine does not go *beep*, it can also go *ding*

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 02:54:35 AM »
Rather than worrying about how you're heating your food, looking at exactly what that food is might be a better starting place. If you're eating junk food and highly processed stuff, then whether you heat it in a microwave or a conventional oven isn't what you need to be thinking about.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2014, 05:17:23 AM »
It gets hot.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 06:28:02 AM »
I'm curious to know, how bad is it to microwave my food? What exactly happens to it at a chemical or cellular level?  I've been having ongoing muscle tightness for a few years now and no matter how much I stretch or sit in the sauna it never quite goes away.  I would like to ask the doctors or nutritionists here how much damage am I doing to myself when I microwave food at my job since I can't cook there and have fresh food?  I recently got a copy of my last blood test from 2 years back and I'm trying to learn more about my body so all help would be greatly appreciated.

Aside from the microwave question have you tried severely limiting (or eliminating entirely) refined sugar.  You can read up on in, but sugars produce a low level inflammation in the body which you may be interpreting as "muscle tightness".

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 06:50:04 AM »
Muscle tightness could be nutrition related, but the microwave oven t'ain't got shit to do with it.

1. Is it tightness related to muscle tone? Rigidity or plasticity in your tissue is generally a nerve related issue. I have mild cerebral palsy, and the instant any nerve on my bad side gets even remotely pinched, my muscles seize up like I've been dropped in ice water.

2. Or, is the tightness more cramps/spasmsy? This could be a nutritional deficiency, either electrolytes or vitamins, but I'm just a semi educated layman, not a doctor.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 07:21:51 AM »
I would worry more about the container that I heat my food in my microwave than I would about microwaving my food!

I would only use glass or ceramic.

Do not use plastics or tupperware. I believe that some of the plasticizers (sp?) are very estrogen like.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 07:25:48 AM »
Because no one else seems to have mentioned this, I'll just add that the instant your microwave goes "ding" (or "beep") the electromagnetic waves are gone.  It's not like a radioactive substance that continues to emit radiation until it breaks down into something more stable, rather it's more like the wavelengths that come from a lightbulb.  Flip the switch and the light doesn't hang around.
Unless your microwave is cracked and you are standing right next to it while it's on, you won't absorb anything, ever.

Also +1 to what Thegoblinchief said: if you are experiencing muscle aches/spasms they are coming from something else.  Could be anything from diet to posture to injury - talk to your health care provider. 


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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 08:18:28 AM »
I would worry more about the container that I heat my food in my microwave than I would about microwaving my food!

I would only use glass or ceramic.

Do not use plastics or tupperware. I believe that some of the plasticizers (sp?) are very estrogen like.

+1

I don't even have plastic containers anymore. While the lids aren't as tight as the snapware lids, the Pyrex brand sets are often ridiculously cheap at the warehouse clubs and I've been quite happy with them. IIRC, it's something like 15 containers for $25. Glass containers also freeze really well as long as you leave headspace for expansion.

And, of course, if you can deal with the cylindrical shape, which can make some leftover packing awkward, Mason jars are by far the most durable and cheapest glass option. My grocery sells them for under $1 per jar even up to quart sizes.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2014, 09:17:26 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2014, 09:20:19 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do.

This is scary good satire.

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2014, 09:29:40 AM »
I would worry more about the container that I heat my food in my microwave than I would about microwaving my food!

I would only use glass or ceramic.

Do not use plastics or tupperware. I believe that some of the plasticizers (sp?) are very estrogen like.

I agree with this totally. 

I also skip the use of cling film/Glad/Saran wrap in the microwave and also avoid direct contact of these materials with fatty foods...

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/13/dining/eating-well-plastic-wrap-and-health-studies-raise-questions.html

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2014, 09:39:03 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do.

This is scary good satire.

This is good enough that it falls under Poe's Law. If not for the first three words and the conclusion it is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the real alarmist. Joggernot, did you just ad-lib all that or did you do research on microwave-related fears? Do you do this on other topics somewhere we can monetize and pay you for?? I'd buy your ebook, seriously, especially if it's got a consumerist-alarmist bent, and you keep it under $12. ^-^

To the OP: the fears about microwaves you've heard about are being propagated by the same people as are afraid of GMOs, forgetting that MOST the things we eat were genetically modified (ever seen a cow or chicken in the wild? They're called "oxen" and "pheasants." Bananas can't even reproduce on their own, and apples are all clones because if they reproduce naturally they don't taste the same.) Just because something is new, and our awareness of certain physical maladies is new, doesn't mean they arose at the same time; most of the illnesses people blame microwaves in specific for existed longer than our species has and we've just only learned to study them and prevent them. People used to EXPECT their teeth to fall out; only recent medical advances have made this stuff avoidable. Be wary of anybody who uses scary-sounding science to sell you something.

As above, all a microwave does is vibrate the molecules - specifically water molecules - in the food causing heat. It's specifically a non-ionizing radiation; it doesn't change the structure of the food directly in a way other than the heat itself causes (which is how you can make microwave cake.) But the dangers associated with microwave cooking have more to do with what you put INTO the microwave - are you using popcorn bags coated in plastic, or nuking on styrofoam or plasticware? It should go without saying you don't want to clean your microwave with anything (windex) you wouldn't put in your oven; try and follow the same rules for heating vessels. That's where you get trouble.

As for saran wrap, why bother when you can pay once for a silicone lid that rinses clean?

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 09:52:59 AM »
This is scary good satire.
This is good enough that it falls under Poe's Law. If not for the first three words and the conclusion it is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the real alarmist. Joggernot, did you just ad-lib all that or did you do research on microwave-related fears? Do you do this on other topics somewhere we can monetize and pay you for?? I'd buy your ebook, seriously, especially if it's got a consumerist-alarmist bent, and you keep it under $12. ^-^
Thanks.  Total ad lib.  No, I don't normally do this; it was an aberration on my part.  No book forthcoming.  Someone mentioned BBQ in their response; the telomerase just came out; and of course the autism came from some actress.  Sometimes the tinfoil hat people just get to me and that's what came out this time.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 10:01:58 AM »
As for saran wrap, why bother when you can pay once for a silicone lid that rinses clean?


I just put a plate on top...

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 10:10:43 AM »
I was chatting with some oncologists at one of their conferences. They suggested that the safest way to cook meat was to microwave it. They all got a chuckle out of that because who is going to microwave cook their meat?

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 10:39:42 AM »
I was chatting with some oncologists at one of their conferences. They suggested that the safest way to cook meat was to microwave it. They all got a chuckle out of that because who is going to microwave cook their meat?

I microwave-cook chicken all the time. Tastes great, cooks well, and is much faster than the oven.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 10:45:39 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

I sense a sarcastic tone to your post (see: tinfoil hats), but nonetheless, there are people in the world who may not know any better, and are susceptible to believing information even if it's intentionally made to be sarcastic. Many people have significant (and unfounded) fears on topics like these, and I'm not sure it's responsible to answer in this way. When people are afraid of something, they need validated scientific information, not to be poked fun at...

I don't mean to give you too much grief about this Joggernot, but just want to say that there are those (unfortunately) who would take a comment like this at face value.

I would like to refer back to Sol's good overview of what's going on when you microwave your food. As a chemist myself, I wholeheartedly +1 his description.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 10:52:58 AM »
As for the muscle cramps, I have had pregnancy related muscle cramps in my legs due to an electrolyte imbalance. My healthy, cheap recipe that solved my problem is as follows:
Juice from one orange
Juice from one lemon
1/4-1/2 teaspoon Real Salt (this brand contains lots of trace minerals and tastes great)
1 Tablespoon raw,local Honey
Pour all of this into a quart jar, fill with water, mix well. Keep in fridge.

You could drink it straight, but I prefer to mix it 50/50 with water. So, one quart jar will make 4 pint sized drinks and will last me 2-4 days depending on my activity level.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 10:54:48 AM »
To the OP: the fears about microwaves you've heard about are being propagated by the same people as are afraid of GMOs, forgetting that MOST the things we eat were genetically modified (ever seen a cow or chicken in the wild? They're called "oxen" and "pheasants." Bananas can't even reproduce on their own, and apples are all clones because if they reproduce naturally they don't taste the same.) Just because something is new, and our awareness of certain physical maladies is new, doesn't mean they arose at the same time; most of the illnesses people blame microwaves in specific for existed longer than our species has and we've just only learned to study them and prevent them. People used to EXPECT their teeth to fall out; only recent medical advances have made this stuff avoidable. Be wary of anybody who uses scary-sounding science to sell you something.

Thanks for your levelheaded post. People always hate and fear what they don't understand, and we need more of this the make clear the necessity of things like GMOs (that is, if we want to have beef, chicken, apples, bananas, golden rice, etc. etc. he list goes on!). It can be hard for me not to throw my hands up when faced with the masses of anti-GMO, anti-vaccine, etc. folks. I appreciate when people like you have the patience to help explain things without the fearmongering.

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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 11:28:59 AM »
It gets hot.

This is verbatim what I was going to post, but figured it would be too flippant.  But then I realized all I post if flippant shit these days so what's the harm in one more?

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 12:03:36 PM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

I sense a sarcastic tone to your post (see: tinfoil hats), but nonetheless, there are people in the world who may not know any better, and are susceptible to believing information even if it's intentionally made to be sarcastic. Many people have significant (and unfounded) fears on topics like these, and I'm not sure it's responsible to answer in this way. When people are afraid of something, they need validated scientific information, not to be poked fun at...

I don't mean to give you too much grief about this Joggernot, but just want to say that there are those (unfortunately) who would take a comment like this at face value.

I would like to refer back to Sol's good overview of what's going on when you microwave your food. As a chemist myself, I wholeheartedly +1 his description.

Well, that's probably why joggernot added the final bit that I note you cut off in your quote:

"Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do."

Seems unfair to truncate the post, leaving off the serious warning and then lecture the poster about not providing a serious warning and direction to talk to a health professional rather than random internet people.  I actually think humor often gets people to better understand things they otherwise might not (such as while a financial internet forum can provide many things, you are best off getting your heatlh care advice from your doctor).

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2014, 12:16:00 PM »
For those interested in looking into various "theories" try reading through http://www.quackwatch.com/.  They are all covered in serious detail for those seeking some semblance of truth.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2014, 12:27:18 PM »
For those interested in looking into various "theories" try reading through http://www.quackwatch.com/.  They are all covered in serious detail for those seeking some semblance of truth.

Got to get myself a Ch'i Energy Disc ASAP.  Yeah, right....

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2014, 06:24:03 PM »
Rather than worrying about how you're heating your food, looking at exactly what that food is might be a better starting place. If you're eating junk food and highly processed stuff, then whether you heat it in a microwave or a conventional oven isn't what you need to be thinking about.

I don't eat junk food at all, I eat and cook mostly organic food. I'm using the microwave as a starting point because someone told me it destroys all the nutritious quality in food.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2014, 06:25:39 PM »
It gets hot.

Gee, now I see why you passed kindergarten. You sir are a genius smh

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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2014, 06:29:21 PM »
Muscle tightness could be nutrition related, but the microwave oven t'ain't got shit to do with it.

1. Is it tightness related to muscle tone? Rigidity or plasticity in your tissue is generally a nerve related issue. I have mild cerebral palsy, and the instant any nerve on my bad side gets even remotely pinched, my muscles seize up like I've been dropped in ice water.

2. Or, is the tightness more cramps/spasmsy? This could be a nutritional deficiency, either electrolytes or vitamins, but I'm just a semi educated layman, not a doctor.

Its more like cramps or spasms that never quite go away. I have to do a lot of warming up and stretching in order to maintain somewhat of a working range of motion. And I agree I must have a deficiency because the juice mix that BooksAreNerdy recommended below has amazingly worked.  I'm sitting as I type this and I don't feel like my legs are going to cramp as much. I appreciate your post sir.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2014, 06:30:18 PM »
I would worry more about the container that I heat my food in my microwave than I would about microwaving my food!

I would only use glass or ceramic.

Do not use plastics or tupperware. I believe that some of the plasticizers (sp?) are very estrogen like.

Thanks for the recommendation. I will definitely look into getting a glass container.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2014, 06:38:05 PM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do.

  BooksAreNerdy came up with a solution that is working right now.  My muscles are relaxed and not cramping.  So personally I think you shouldn't trust "health professionals", they're a waste of time and money.  When you ask every day people, 9 times out of 10 they have better solutions. And I don't trust random sources from the internet. I rather get the information from people like BooksAreNerdy, first hand experience counts way more than reading articles off the internet. Let me ask you, if you were going to learn how to fight would you go on the internet and read about it? Or would you ask a boxer who's been in the ring for 20 years? I'll go with the boxer, he knows what its like to get hit.  "Sources" won't teach me anything.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2014, 06:45:29 PM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

I sense a sarcastic tone to your post (see: tinfoil hats), but nonetheless, there are people in the world who may not know any better, and are susceptible to believing information even if it's intentionally made to be sarcastic. Many people have significant (and unfounded) fears on topics like these, and I'm not sure it's responsible to answer in this way. When people are afraid of something, they need validated scientific information, not to be poked fun at...

I don't mean to give you too much grief about this Joggernot, but just want to say that there are those (unfortunately) who would take a comment like this at face value.

I would like to refer back to Sol's good overview of what's going on when you microwave your food. As a chemist myself, I wholeheartedly +1 his description.

Well, that's probably why joggernot added the final bit that I note you cut off in your quote:

"Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do."

Seems unfair to truncate the post, leaving off the serious warning and then lecture the poster about not providing a serious warning and direction to talk to a health professional rather than random internet people.  I actually think humor often gets people to better understand things they otherwise might not (such as while a financial internet forum can provide many things, you are best off getting your heatlh care advice from your doctor).

Health professionals are a waste of time. I don't believe in them.  And being that BooksAreNerdy solved my problem with her juice mix I think I'll keep seeking solutions from "random internet people".  If I had gone the 'health professional' route I would have wasted time and money.  It took me all of 2 minutes to post up my question and now I have a solution that I can share with other athletes. This internet forum is about living an unorthodox lifestyle, which is exactly why I decided to post here.  How ironic is it that I found a HEALTH solution in a financial internet forum? Life is funny like that some times.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2014, 06:49:12 PM »
Muscle tightness could be nutrition related, but the microwave oven t'ain't got shit to do with it.

1. Is it tightness related to muscle tone? Rigidity or plasticity in your tissue is generally a nerve related issue. I have mild cerebral palsy, and the instant any nerve on my bad side gets even remotely pinched, my muscles seize up like I've been dropped in ice water.

2. Or, is the tightness more cramps/spasmsy? This could be a nutritional deficiency, either electrolytes or vitamins, but I'm just a semi educated layman, not a doctor.

Its more like cramps or spasms that never quite go away. I have to do a lot of warming up and stretching in order to maintain somewhat of a working range of motion. And I agree I must have a deficiency because the juice mix that BooksAreNerdy recommended below has amazingly worked.  I'm sitting as I type this and I don't feel like my legs are going to cramp as much. I appreciate your post sir.

Wait a second, let me see if I got this...you've been having these muscle problems for years... come onto the MMM forums wondering if your microwave is causing the problem... then try some random honey water recipe that supposedly fixes your problems (you never tried a sports drink in the past several years?)... that about sums it up?  Internet forums never cease to amaze me.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2014, 07:15:07 PM »
It gets hot.

Gee, now I see why you passed kindergarten. You sir are a genius smh

Have you considered an autoimmune disease, allergic2average smh?

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2014, 09:34:39 PM »
maybe OP is just more average than they would care to admit?

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2014, 03:20:31 AM »
Rather than worrying about how you're heating your food, looking at exactly what that food is might be a better starting place. If you're eating junk food and highly processed stuff, then whether you heat it in a microwave or a conventional oven isn't what you need to be thinking about.

I don't eat junk food at all, I eat and cook mostly organic food. I'm using the microwave as a starting point because someone told me it destroys all the nutritious quality in food.
It was just a suggestion. And since it seems that your problem is now being helped by having made a change in your diet (by supplementing it with something you were lacking before), I wasn't too far off. Don't forget that there are plenty of organic variations of junk food, too. Since you mention cooking though, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that what you mean when you say organic is whole food, cooking from scratch, non-processed stuff which mostly happens to be organically farmed/raised.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2014, 08:12:28 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

I sense a sarcastic tone to your post (see: tinfoil hats), but nonetheless, there are people in the world who may not know any better, and are susceptible to believing information even if it's intentionally made to be sarcastic. Many people have significant (and unfounded) fears on topics like these, and I'm not sure it's responsible to answer in this way. When people are afraid of something, they need validated scientific information, not to be poked fun at...

I don't mean to give you too much grief about this Joggernot, but just want to say that there are those (unfortunately) who would take a comment like this at face value.

I would like to refer back to Sol's good overview of what's going on when you microwave your food. As a chemist myself, I wholeheartedly +1 his description.

Well, that's probably why joggernot added the final bit that I note you cut off in your quote:

"Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do."

Seems unfair to truncate the post, leaving off the serious warning and then lecture the poster about not providing a serious warning and direction to talk to a health professional rather than random internet people.  I actually think humor often gets people to better understand things they otherwise might not (such as while a financial internet forum can provide many things, you are best off getting your heatlh care advice from your doctor).

That was a case of sloppy editing on may part that in retrospect, I agree, was unfair. I guess I just attempted to grab the part that was relevant to what I was referring to. I also agree that satire can be very effective in proving a point (see Colbert Report, Daily Show). I think the point I was trying to make is that there are people who will take it at face value. I suppose I don't have a good answer in terms of how to skirt the line between satire and something believable by someone who doesn't know any better.

I suppose I could also frame this as a compliment: Joggernot: Well done on your well-crafted satirical comment! You captured spot-on the typical "doom and gloom" preachers (little too well?).

Regardless, I'm glad to be here in this community that is full of people knowledgeable on a plethora of topics, where we can help each other learn about the facts, and get our lives straightened out for the better (with face-punches all around!!)

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2014, 09:04:23 AM »
I think it is a common misconception that microwaves heat up water molecules only, and don't heat up other molecules.  A microwave creates an oscillating electric field and will heat any molecule that is a dipole.  You can try this out by heating something that contains no water in your microwave.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2014, 09:14:46 AM »
While I totally agree that microwaves get a bad rap, and are fine... GMO and selective breeding are not the same. You cannot be blase about this stuff because of the chance things will go wrong - you can end up with an unkillable strain, completely overtaking natural vegetation, or some weird side effect that causes... I don't know what. That's the point. We aren't smart enough to predict, only to go - in hindsight - ohhhhhh.

We do NOT have a food shortage. We have a distribution problem, and a problem with the big processed food manufacturers being too big and playing the different feed stocks off each other. GMO is not 'the' answer, it is an answer looking for a problem.

In some instances, it'd be fine. But for what it's currently being used for? No, you just end up with more nutrient hungry crops that will - without fertiliser which creates runoff which creates aquatic death... - end up leaving a barren wasteland, because of the monoculture.

Supermarket chicken is a fucking disgrace; anyone that has seen how those chickens are raised.. man. I mean - in that case, meat grown in a vat *is* better, IMHO, but jesus, just eat less meat, eat more veg and less processed shit and we'd ALL be better off. But no - big industry = big lobbying = subsidies which go to all the wrong places.

A chicken is related to an indian jungle fowl, btw, not a pheasant, but whatever, closeish I spose.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2014, 09:18:08 AM »
Iím an actor and Iíve made a study of microwaves.  They are harmful and cause many problems with your health!  There are good microwaves and bad microwaves.  Your microwave oven must be putting out bad microwaves that are causing all your health problems.  Bad microwaves vibrate the carbon atoms in your food causing them to become carbonized.  This micron-sized carbonized carbon is the same black stuff that is found on BBQ grills that causes cancer.  In addition, the vibrations from the bad microwaves are causing the telomerase at the ends of the DNA and RNA of your food to shorten!  These shortened telomerase DNA and RNA are then incorporated into your DNA and RNA causing your cells to age faster than normal!  And you know that old people are not as flexible as a 20-year old person.  Finally, all the other things caused by the bad microwaves in your oven cause autism!  I know several people who use a microwave, and they have at least one child with autism!  Microwaves cause autism!  Did I mention that I am an actor and have made a thorough study of microwaves?  Put on your tinfoil hat whenever you run your microwave!

Personally, I'd go see my health professional before posting this question here.  There are many sources already on the internet that talk about microwaves and what they really do.

  BooksAreNerdy came up with a solution that is working right now.  My muscles are relaxed and not cramping.  So personally I think you shouldn't trust "health professionals", they're a waste of time and money.  When you ask every day people, 9 times out of 10 they have better solutions. And I don't trust random sources from the internet. I rather get the information from people like BooksAreNerdy, first hand experience counts way more than reading articles off the internet. Let me ask you, if you were going to learn how to fight would you go on the internet and read about it? Or would you ask a boxer who's been in the ring for 20 years? I'll go with the boxer, he knows what its like to get hit.  "Sources" won't teach me anything.

So you don't trust someone who's spent 6 years training in 100+ years of evidence based medical science, or random internet articles (not going to argue with that) but "everyday people" are fine? How does that work out asking your neighbor if you have cancer, or the grocery store clerks cure for a gunshot wound? Placebos only get you so far..

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2014, 09:26:49 AM »
While I totally agree that microwaves get a bad rap, and are fine... GMO and selective breeding are not the same. You cannot be blase about this stuff because of the chance things will go wrong - you can end up with an unkillable strain, completely overtaking natural vegetation, or some weird side effect that causes... I don't know what. That's the point. We aren't smart enough to predict, only to go - in hindsight - ohhhhhh.

We do NOT have a food shortage. We have a distribution problem, and a problem with the big processed food manufacturers being too big and playing the different feed stocks off each other. GMO is not 'the' answer, it is an answer looking for a problem.

In some instances, it'd be fine. But for what it's currently being used for? No, you just end up with more nutrient hungry crops that will - without fertiliser which creates runoff which creates aquatic death... - end up leaving a barren wasteland, because of the monoculture.

Supermarket chicken is a fucking disgrace; anyone that has seen how those chickens are raised.. man. I mean - in that case, meat grown in a vat *is* better, IMHO, but jesus, just eat less meat, eat more veg and less processed shit and we'd ALL be better off. But no - big industry = big lobbying = subsidies which go to all the wrong places.

A chicken is related to an indian jungle fowl, btw, not a pheasant, but whatever, closeish I spose.

So:
Things could go bad with GMOs, therefore we shouldn't try? So far it hasn't for 20+ years but oh well. We're not smart enough? We sent three dudes to the moon 45 years ago! Using punch card computers! I think we can grow tomatoes.

"Big businesses are being all businessy, oh noes" Nothing to do with GMO

Chickens (which aren't GMO) are raised poorly. o-kaaay. Again, nothing to do with GMO.

What kind of idiot would create a GMO crop that is more "nutrient hungry"? They're doing the opposite. Organic crops are the ones using more fertilizer.

All in all I'm not terribly convinced by your arguments..

sorry, this middle-class neo-hippie, anti-science stuff really ticks me off.
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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2014, 10:00:32 AM »
All in all I'm not terribly convinced by your arguments..

sorry, this middle-class neo-hippie, anti-science stuff really ticks me off.
+1
Silliest arguments I've heard since I canceled my cable.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2014, 10:28:41 AM »
I think it is a common misconception that microwaves heat up water molecules only, and don't heat up other molecules.  A microwave creates an oscillating electric field and will heat any molecule that is a dipole.  You can try this out by heating something that contains no water in your microwave.

Microwaved will only heat dipole molecules with resonant frequencies similar to microwaves.  I agree this includes more than just water, but microwaves were chosen specifically because they excite water molecules preferentially over other types of molecular bonds.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2014, 11:17:24 AM »
I think it is a common misconception that microwaves heat up water molecules only, and don't heat up other molecules.  A microwave creates an oscillating electric field and will heat any molecule that is a dipole.  You can try this out by heating something that contains no water in your microwave.

Microwaved will only heat dipole molecules with resonant frequencies similar to microwaves.  I agree this includes more than just water, but microwaves were chosen specifically because they excite water molecules preferentially over other types of molecular bonds.

I don't think that's true.  It's the changing electric field causing the dipole molecules to vibrate, not a specific resonance frequency.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2014, 12:10:48 PM »
It gets hot.

Gee, now I see why you passed kindergarten. You sir are a genius smh

Have you considered an autoimmune disease, allergic2average smh?

I'm looking into electrolyte deficiency right now. Haven't reached autoimmune disease yet.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2014, 12:14:27 PM »
Wait a second, let me see if I got this...you've been having these muscle problems for years... come onto the MMM forums wondering if your microwave is causing the problem... then try some random honey water recipe that supposedly fixes your problems (you never tried a sports drink in the past several years?)... that about sums it up?  Internet forums never cease to amaze me.
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You forgot to mention the lemon and orange. Not everyone's body responds well to synthetic stuff, sports drinks only make me more thirsty but never helped with my cramping. But to repeat what you said, internet forums never cease to amaze me either lol. I never thought I would find the answer here of all places. Sometimes you find answers in unexpected places.

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2014, 12:18:44 PM »
maybe OP is just more average than they would care to admit?

Actually Russ I know you're average because of your post, but thanks for sharing your opinion with me :-)

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Re: What exactly happens to our food when we microwave it?
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2014, 12:26:50 PM »
that was a joke
about allergies
sick burn though

 

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