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Washer and Dryer suggestions?
« on: July 28, 2020, 02:04:09 PM »
My washer and dryer are dying...again.  I’ve repaired them a couple times and I think it’s time for a new set.  The set I have now is fancy and premustache.  It promises all sorts of water saving, super sensing settings.  Honestly I use none of that.  I want to replace them with an economical, simple, straight forward set.  Something with a high/medium/low would be fine!

Anyone have thoughts on washer/dryer sets?  Anything you love or hate? 

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 02:08:19 PM »
Kenmore Elite is good if you can find them used. 

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 02:13:05 PM »
Kenmore Elite is good if you can find them used.

I can look.  We are in a smaller area, so our used market isn't as robust as I would like.  Usually our second hand buying is grabbing things when the opportunity arises to hold on for later, very rarely can I go looking for something specific and find it. 


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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2020, 02:59:02 PM »
I always buy that stuff from a local appliance shop that actually will deliver and install your stuff, dispose of your old stuff, and provide service if you need it.
Stay away from the big box stores, pay a little more and go talk to your local appliance guy, tell him your thoughts and see what he recommends.

These are purchases you make only every 15 years or so, it doesn't pay to try to save $50.

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2020, 03:22:42 PM »
1. You don’t have to have a matching set. People get rid of perfectly good washers and dryers because one of them broke so they replace both. I don’t get it. The second hand appliance market is great by me because people buy all new when one breaks.

2. You don’t need a dryer at all. Get a couple of these bad boys and you are set for life:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Honey-Can-Do-Deluxe-Metal-Drying-Rack-DRY-01306/202863330

3. I like the whirlpool top load washer that came with our house. It gets the job done and is big enough for blankets, etc. I have had front loaders before and didn’t like them that much.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2020, 05:35:10 PM »
In my experience, the less you pay for them, the better they work. If you spend more than $800 on a pair you're assured to have them break in short order.

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 08:55:03 AM »
If you have the space, get a top load washer.

Front loads have a big problem with not all water draining from them after the wash. I have had this issue with two washers so far (including a brand new one I got 2 years ago). It is also extremely difficult to drain all that water and clean the mold/fungus that forms where stale water sits.

When I was an apartment dweller - we had coin operated top loaders, and they never had this issue.

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If anyone knows which brands/models of front-loaders don't have this water drainage problem then please let me know.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 10:19:31 AM »
If you don't mind them being mismatched, buy them off Craigslist.  I've bought 3-4 perfect condition washer/dryers for $100 or less for my rentals.  I actually hoard them as I always have one ready if one breaks.  The ones that never break in my experience are the mechanical dial types (no digital, no front load).  I'd imagine saving $500 up front more than makes up for the water saving feature.  I have a expensive Miele set and I still prefer the big capacity old school top load washers.

Now if it's in a laundryroom on a main level that you have to look at everyday, you may not want to go my route.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2020, 10:46:47 AM »
I always buy that stuff from a local appliance shop that actually will deliver and install your stuff, dispose of your old stuff, and provide service if you need it.
Stay away from the big box stores, pay a little more and go talk to your local appliance guy, tell him your thoughts and see what he recommends.

These are purchases you make only every 15 years or so, it doesn't pay to try to save $50.

I've had to replace a bunch of appliances in the past year and this is what I do now too (after a disastrous stove delivery debacle from a big box store). I try to pick something they carry in stock. I assume the makes/models they sell in larger volumes are popular for a good reason.

I also like the option of being able to send it back and get a replacement in short order if the unit they deliver to my house is damaged before it even gets off the truck. The stove debacle happened for this exact reason. Waited 2 weeks for delivery because the big box store keeps 0 inventory. That unit had a cut electrical wire sticking out the back so I refused the delivery and asked for a functioning unit. That unit took another 2-3 weeks to arrive. When it arrived I realized, after the gas fitter had already hooked it up, that it was missing a burner cap. The replacement took months and many phone calls to the manufacturer to arrive in the mail. The big box store wouldn't deal with either of these issues themselves.

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 11:15:13 AM »
Yes to buying it from a local appliance dealer instead of the big box store who will not deal with anything at all if there is an issue.
At least they know their products too - so you can ask questions and get one that has everything you need plus the all-important issue -
they can get parts and do repairs.

We were told that GE is the only washer manufactured in the US and you'll never have to wait for a part from China either. I had a bells and whistles washer previously and really wanted some of the specialty programs it offered. I was shocked to discover the price of the new units were in the thousands.
They had a GE washer that cost practically half and had the same functions just doesn't look as impressive.
Our saleslady knew her stuff, in the end she told me she owned the same model and was very happy with it.

Two friends of ours own behemoth bells and whistles machines and both had issues, one waited several months for a proprietary replacement part from China.

I'm not brave enough to purchase a used unit of an item that is vital and essential to our household. I will consider cosmetic damage without blinking an eye, but my preferred method of saving money is buying a clearance item of off the shelf or open box.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2020, 11:20:29 AM »
If you have the space, get a top load washer.

Front loads have a big problem with not all water draining from them after the wash. I have had this issue with two washers so far (including a brand new one I got 2 years ago). It is also extremely difficult to drain all that water and clean the mold/fungus that forms where stale water sits.

When I was an apartment dweller - we had coin operated top loaders, and they never had this issue.

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If anyone knows which brands/models of front-loaders don't have this water drainage problem then please let me know.

We have a front-load washer and it's just been a matter of leaving the door propped open to let it air out and occasionally running a bleach cycle.

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2020, 11:22:13 AM »
I bought this washer. I got it on sale for $600 during last Thanksgiving. Works great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8h77_no7g

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 11:22:21 AM »
For washing machine? Either a used mechanical (pre electronic controls) Whirlpool top-loader (includes Roper, Amana, and certain models of Kenmore and Maytag depending on the year), ideally between 10-20 years old, ideally refurbished, and run the machine empty with a few cycles of alternating white vinegar and baking soda with hot water soaking for a couple hours on the highest water setting to clean out any buildup between the drums before using... or a new mechanical Speed Queen top loader.

For a heat dryer if you must? Anything will work, keep your current one if it still does. Otherwise, anything used from any age Whirlpool a decade or older with mechanical controls over electronic, just be sure to take off the back panel and clean out all the lint first. The electrical ones are dirt easy to repair and keep working, as they're basically just a timer, a heating coil, a motor and a belt. Less so with natural gas/propane.

I would also highly recommend you spend the money on a spin dryer like the Panda PANSP22, which is the model we currently have, and it's one of the best spin dryers we've used and is available. It'll wring out so much water, that it'll pay for itself in the energy saved with a heat dryer in a year for the average family of four. Like, clothes will be bone dry in under 15 minutes sort of thing. We usually get an extra 12-18oz of water wrung out of each load, and the laundry barely feels damp coming out which helps speed up line and rack drying considerably, too... and clothes actually come out cleaner spinning out any remaining residue with the water. During the warm months, our heat dryer barely gets used for anything but a cool tumble cycle to help soften clothes on occasion. Just a word of advice, though, use a good cleaning liquid detergent that rinses out well (like Kirkland, Persil or All), and get a couple Downy balls to fill with white vinegar to help further rinse out residue to keep fabric soft when line drying.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2020, 11:44:31 AM »
If you have the space, get a top load washer.

Front loads have a big problem with not all water draining from them after the wash. I have had this issue with two washers so far (including a brand new one I got 2 years ago). It is also extremely difficult to drain all that water and clean the mold/fungus that forms where stale water sits.

When I was an apartment dweller - we had coin operated top loaders, and they never had this issue.

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If anyone knows which brands/models of front-loaders don't have this water drainage problem then please let me know.

We have a front-load washer and it's just been a matter of leaving the door propped open to let it air out and occasionally running a bleach cycle.
Yeah, until it doesn’t work anymore.  Look at your gasket inside. Probably full of mold and mildew. And will put spots on your clothes.  We have a heat pump h20 tank pulling out moisture in the air in the laundry room, keep the damn door open, I’ve bleached the entire thing multiple times, run a cleaning “afresh load” per recommendations, and it still sucks. Buying a new gasket oem is around $120, taking the old one out to clean and soak in bleach requires a tear down of the unit.  It’s terrible. Never again will buy a front load and will be more than happy to replace this when it dies or we get too fed up with dealing with all its bullshit drawbacks.

I’ve heard good things about the speed queens. 


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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2020, 11:55:22 AM »
Option 1: old set, like OLD set. The mechanical ones from 20+ years ago that are workhorses and rarely need repairs. My dryer is around 30 years old, and with occasional repair just keeps going and going and going.

Option 2: Speedqueen. My washer is a new mechanical speedqueen, because the original free washer was around 30 years old and it died. Not broke, died.

Don't remember what was the wrong with the washer. But the dryer has needed a new belt, new plastic hamster wheel thingy that attaches to the pipe sticking out from the motor and spins, new thermostat (I think? it's been a while), and new battery looking things that aren't batteries but they are involved in the magnetic field creation/something. Yes, highly technical terms. Feel free to translate.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2020, 11:57:14 AM »
I would also highly recommend you spend the money on a spin dryer like the Panda PANSP22, which is the model we currently have, and it's one of the best spin dryers we've used and is available. It'll wring out so much water, that it'll pay for itself in the energy saved with a heat dryer in a year for the average family of four. Like, clothes will be bone dry in under 15 minutes sort of thing. We usually get an extra 12-18oz of water wrung out of each load, and the laundry barely feels damp coming out which helps speed up line and rack drying considerably, too... and clothes actually come out cleaner spinning out any remaining residue with the water. During the warm months, our heat dryer barely gets used for anything but a cool tumble cycle to help soften clothes on occasion. Just a word of advice, though, use a good cleaning liquid detergent that rinses out well (like Kirkland or All), and get a couple Downy balls to fill with white vinegar to help further rinse out residue to keep fabric soft when line drying.

Oh wow, that's so cool! I didn't know things like that existed. We don't have a dryer (literally no spot for one in our new-very-old house yet, only a washer) but we're a family of four with one more on the way so our laundry requirements are only increasing. We've been getting by quite well for the last 18 months with a large Leifheit drying rack and a simple laundry line outside, but the humidity in the spring and summer really slows down drying time. This would be a big help next spring until we can figure out a laundry room solution, which frankly is waaaaay down the list of priorities. Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 12:09:52 PM »
Thanks for all of the great tips!  My ideal would be the washer from my childhood, (and adolescence and young adulthood), which involved dumping detergent in the top, turning a knob and pulling it out to start the cycle...it never, ever broke. 

I do have front loaders, mostly because my children are not tall enough to do laundry easily with a top loader, and I like having little laundry slaves teaching them life skills.  But, how much is that worth when they’ll be tall enough in a couple years?

I’m totally open to old, mismatched, dented appliances, but finding them up here is harder.  I’d rather have functional than fancy looking!

I did find an appliance repair place that sells refurbished appliances, so I could possibly find older models that have been cleaned, tested, and have a repair person warranty for a few months.  We aren’t opposed to fixing appliances and have pulled all sorts of parts and replaced them on our last couple sets but having had someone else look them over seems like a good idea.  Right now, they’re very slim pickings, but I’ll keep watch there and Craigslist.

Where we live, water is not an issue.  I pay a flat fee for water and get as much as we want and we do use gas instead of electric.  I don’t know if that makes a difference...

Also, randomly, we hung laundry for a couple years, but with the kids getting bigger it became difficult, especially the winter when the sheer volume of bulky clothing was out of control, now we dry so damp clothes don’t overrun our house and cause some serious moisture issues during the colder months! 

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2020, 12:13:13 PM »
Add me to the chorus of people who buy them used off Craigslist. I've also gotten them from Habitat for Humanity with good results.

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 12:14:04 PM »
Oh wow, that's so cool! I didn't know things like that existed. We don't have a dryer (literally no spot for one in our new-very-old house yet, only a washer) but we're a family of four with one more on the way so our laundry requirements are only increasing. We've been getting by quite well for the last 18 months with a large Leifheit drying rack and a simple laundry line outside, but the humidity in the spring and summer really slows down drying time. This would be a big help next spring until we can figure out a laundry room solution, which frankly is waaaaay down the list of priorities. Thanks for sharing!

Glad to broaden your horizons! And the great thing is, it'll still help well past next spring with the laundry room by saving you even more time and money if you push into service any sort of heated tumble dryer. We've frequently had loads on the clothesline dry before the next load even came out of the washer with this thing. Even the older 1800RPM spin dryers couldn't get clothes that dry.



Also, randomly, we hung laundry for a couple years, but with the kids getting bigger it became difficult, especially the winter when the sheer volume of bulky clothing was out of control, now we dry so damp clothes don’t overrun our house and cause some serious moisture issues during the colder months!

For what it's worth, I'm actually implying to use the spin dryer in conjunction with whatever other drying method you may use. The less water in the clothes, the less energy needed to evaporate the remaining, be it natural gas, electric, solar, or passively indoors on a rack. Faster dry times and cleaner clothes.
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2020, 12:35:56 PM »
If you have the space, get a top load washer.

Front loads have a big problem with not all water draining from them after the wash. I have had this issue with two washers so far (including a brand new one I got 2 years ago). It is also extremely difficult to drain all that water and clean the mold/fungus that forms where stale water sits.

When I was an apartment dweller - we had coin operated top loaders, and they never had this issue.

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If anyone knows which brands/models of front-loaders don't have this water drainage problem then please let me know.

We have a front-load washer and it's just been a matter of leaving the door propped open to let it air out and occasionally running a bleach cycle.
Yeah, until it doesn’t work anymore.  Look at your gasket inside. Probably full of mold and mildew. And will put spots on your clothes.  We have a heat pump h20 tank pulling out moisture in the air in the laundry room, keep the damn door open, I’ve bleached the entire thing multiple times, run a cleaning “afresh load” per recommendations, and it still sucks. Buying a new gasket oem is around $120, taking the old one out to clean and soak in bleach requires a tear down of the unit.  It’s terrible. Never again will buy a front load and will be more than happy to replace this when it dies or we get too fed up with dealing with all its bullshit drawbacks.
How long until that happens? Ours is 12 years old now. No mold or mildew visible behind the gasket (just checked). No smell.

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2020, 12:47:00 PM »
3-4 years until it got bad enough that I started to bleach it on the regular.


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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2020, 03:32:53 PM »
I've been browsing FB market place more lately looking for other things and have seen better washer and dryer deals on there than Craig's list. For example, I saw this one today:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1240845359584073

They look a bit fancier than you described, but I have no idea why a working washer and dryer set would be $200 unless they really just don't want to move them?

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2020, 04:14:00 PM »
I've been browsing FB market place more lately looking for other things and have seen better washer and dryer deals on there than Craig's list. For example, I saw this one today:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1240845359584073

They look a bit fancier than you described, but I have no idea why a working washer and dryer set would be $200 unless they really just don't want to move them?

I love the idea of those, but don't trust them...they are basically what I am trying to replace.  But, I found another set that's super basic and available!  Maybe it will work out.

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2020, 05:36:18 PM »
I've been browsing FB market place more lately looking for other things and have seen better washer and dryer deals on there than Craig's list. For example, I saw this one today:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1240845359584073

They look a bit fancier than you described, but I have no idea why a working washer and dryer set would be $200 unless they really just don't want to move them?

I love the idea of those, but don't trust them...they are basically what I am trying to replace.  But, I found another set that's super basic and available!  Maybe it will work out.

Yeah, my father has a really basic set that is ~25 years old and still works well. He did need to replace one part on the washer after washing a quilt that was too heavy for it. I've definitely had more issues with the newer and fancier washer that came with our house although I have been able to solve them all myself so far.

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2020, 07:42:13 AM »
I always buy that stuff from a local appliance shop that actually will deliver and install your stuff, dispose of your old stuff, and provide service if you need it.
Stay away from the big box stores, pay a little more and go talk to your local appliance guy, tell him your thoughts and see what he recommends.

These are purchases you make only every 15 years or so, it doesn't pay to try to save $50.

Do your homework. I dealt with a local appliance store a week ago for my employer and their prices were 100% higher on accessories and significantly higher on their appliances.

I don't mind paying a little more for the good reasons Fishindude listed but I have my limits. ;)

Perhaps their prices are negotiable.

FWIW we have had good luck with Whirlpool top loaders with mechanical controls who I think manufactured Kenmore in the past. We like Kenmore too and have bought several appliances from that brand as well.
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2020, 08:04:50 AM »
When I moved into my new home last year it came they advertised it with a brand new washer. It's the cheapest washer Home Depot sells. It's been the best appliance I think I've ever owned. I've used the fancy Samsung ones and even high-end Bosch ones, and this gets your clothes clean better and I've zero issues with it.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-3-5-cu-ft-White-Top-Load-Washing-Machine-NTW4516FW/207204027