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mistymoney

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2019, 09:49:10 AM »
vegan cheese and vegan everything else

This I don't get. Its like taking the essence of a produce, make something not even remotely similar and then pretend to be eating the same as the original. My favorite is vegan raclette. The original dish has one ingredient: Cheese. If there is no cheese in it you can call it whatever you want, but it sure as hell ain't raclette.

Its a big "we actually don't know how to cook properly" - statement. There are more than enough actual vegan ingredients growing in nature to make a tasty, nutritious and varied menu. The special vegan section in supermarkets is a big display of products that should not exist.

Agreed.  Almonds and soy beans do not lactate.  Therefore, there is no such thing as almond or soy milk.  Call it what it actually is - dirty nut water and bean juice.  Side benefit - no surprises with taste, the flavour will exactly match up with the name.

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Exactly. It's insane that any human would consider drinking dirty nut water and bean juice. That's just crazy!

But humans drinking another species' growth fluid that is designed to turn a 70 lb. calf into a 700 lb. cow as fast as possible? What could be more normal? 

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Don't forget about the blood and pus! Those are the candy and chocolate sprinkles on the sunday!

most in our household have dairy allergies - so we haven't consumed any milk products in quite some time.

However - one of the things I myself found hilarious was the disgusted outcry against icecream made with human breastmilk - this was somehow disgusting and full of untold disease potential.

#weird

We are all so used to what we are used to - some don't realize how malleable our sensibilities are to what we exposed to early in life. Can't step back and question.

This goes for our tastes as well. We are primed, even before birth, to what our family eats. In utero, we become accustomed to the physiological reaction to what our mother's are eating, then to her breastmilk which is affected by her diet, and then to the first foods we are given when hungry. There is a reason why most people tend to eat very similarly to the food they were brought up on.

If you really want to change your food preferences, be very attentive to what you put into your mouth when you are very hungry. You can begin to alter what you crave when hungry. But if you find yourself with some regularity getting very hungry at work or other situation where you don't have a lot of choices, and grabbing a bag of chips from the vending machine - your body will crave that regularly.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2019, 01:52:32 PM »
I've got nothing in particular against drinking nut water and bean juice.  Just don't call it milk.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2019, 02:04:20 PM »
I've got nothing in particular against drinking nut water and bean juice.  Just don't call it milk.

This seems like a really weird hard line to take.
What should we call coconut milk??
Is vegan ice cream also unacceptable?
What about non-dairy creamer?

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2019, 02:11:52 PM »
I've got nothing in particular against drinking nut water and bean juice.  Just don't call it milk.

This seems like a really weird hard line to take.
What should we call coconut milk??
Is vegan ice cream also unacceptable?
What about non-dairy creamer?

I was literally writing up this same example. Coconut milk has been used for ages and a quick google search didn't give me any indications that it wasn't called 'milk' at the time. The same is true for soy milk that's just an everyday product in many countries, not some latest veganism fad.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2019, 02:20:46 PM »
I've got nothing in particular against drinking nut water and bean juice.  Just don't call it milk.

that ship has sailed. I myself was drinking soy milk in the 80's - and I was still drinking regular milk and cheese, etc. I was just sampling.

checking up on wiki:

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The first non-dairy milk—almond milk—was created in the Levant around the 13th century[16] and had spread to England by the 14th.[17] Soymilk was mentioned in various European letters from China beginning in the 17th century.[18] "Soy milk" entered the English language (as "soy-bean milk") in an 1897 USDA report.[19][20] Li Yuying established Caséo-Sojaïne, the first soy milk "dairy", in Colombes, France, in 1910; he received the first British and American patents for soy milk's manufacture in 1912 and 1913.[14] J.A. Chard began production of "Soy Lac" in New York City, United States, in 1917.[14]

milk has also been used to describe creamy looking or feeling substances for washing as well as a fairly broadly used verb:

Synonyms: Verb

abuse, capitalize (on), cash in (on), exploit, impose (on or upon), leverage, pimp, play (on or upon), use, work

No one was objecting to "soy milk" in the 80s. It was still something weird to the US palate and consciousness. Now that it is giving dairy a run for it's money - in  a very literal sense - now they want to clap back on the term milk.

 


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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2019, 02:33:25 PM »
I've got nothing in particular against drinking nut water and bean juice.  Just don't call it milk.

that ship has sailed. I myself was drinking soy milk in the 80's - and I was still drinking regular milk and cheese, etc. I was just sampling.

checking up on wiki:

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The first non-dairy milk—almond milk—was created in the Levant around the 13th century[16] and had spread to England by the 14th.[17] Soymilk was mentioned in various European letters from China beginning in the 17th century.[18] "Soy milk" entered the English language (as "soy-bean milk") in an 1897 USDA report.[19][20] Li Yuying established Caséo-Sojaïne, the first soy milk "dairy", in Colombes, France, in 1910; he received the first British and American patents for soy milk's manufacture in 1912 and 1913.[14] J.A. Chard began production of "Soy Lac" in New York City, United States, in 1917.[14]

milk has also been used to describe creamy looking or feeling substances for washing as well as a fairly broadly used verb:

Synonyms: Verb

abuse, capitalize (on), cash in (on), exploit, impose (on or upon), leverage, pimp, play (on or upon), use, work

No one was objecting to "soy milk" in the 80s. It was still something weird to the US palate and consciousness. Now that it is giving dairy a run for it's money - in  a very literal sense - now they want to clap back on the term milk.

Yep, this is only an issue because the dairy lobby is pissed.

Meanwhile nut milks have been called milks since far before many cultures would dare to drink cow juice because it was so dangerous.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2019, 02:33:49 PM »
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The term milk of magnesia was first used by Charles Henry Phillips in 1872 for a suspension of magnesium hydroxide formulated at about 8%w/v.[13] It was sold under the brand name Phillips' Milk of Magnesia for medicinal usage.

Where is the outrage here??

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2019, 02:45:17 AM »
I forgot my favorite yesterday: why is no one getting outraged over peanut BUTTER? There's no butter in there.


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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2019, 08:03:49 AM »
Don't forget about the blood and pus! Those are the candy and chocolate sprinkles on the sunday!

I've got nothing against vegans. I'm being edged closer and closer to that state myself by The Wench. But this particular line of accounting is just irritating. All food has some nasties in it. Weevils in flour, insect eggs in beans, parasites in fish. 

If blood and pus are someone's personal Rubicon; cool. Mine's worms. Both are valid, but neither is superior to the other.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2019, 08:26:18 AM »
Um... so back to the original question...

Unprocessed foods contain less crap than processed foods
Less crap = better for health
Unprocessed foods > Processed foods

Most unprocessed foods that are vegan = fairly inexpensive

Can you be a healthy omnivore? YES. Just eat unprocessed foods and try to limit your intake of saturated fats.

Can you be a healthy vegan? YES. Just eat unprocessed foods and eat a wide enough range of foods to ensure you get all of the amino acids and B12 (either via nutritional yeast or supplements).

Can you be a thrifty vegan? YES. IF you choose to make smart choices in your food shopping and preparation... which just happen to be the same way to be a thrifty omnivore.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2019, 09:08:48 AM »
I forgot my favorite yesterday: why is no one getting outraged over peanut BUTTER? There's no butter in there.

Ik it a stupid word indeed. In Dutch we say pindakaas/peanut cheese. Maybe better to call it peanutt paste. That is what we call it if it made from hazelnuts.

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Re: Vegan to save money
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2019, 09:18:34 AM »
I forgot my favorite yesterday: why is no one getting outraged over peanut BUTTER? There's no butter in there.

Ik it a stupid word indeed. In Dutch we say pindakaas/peanut cheese. Maybe better to call it peanutt paste. That is what we call it if it made from hazelnuts.

That was the exact reason I love the example. In Dutch 'butter' is a protected term, so you're not allowed to say butter to things that do not contain butter. So we opted for the logical replacement word choice of... cheese.