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mamabear18

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Updated list of budget trackers
« on: January 23, 2022, 11:45:39 AM »
Hello all! I have a hard time budgeting bc I work full time and have 2 young kids. I’ve heard of Mint and YNAB- are there other easier programs or apps that are less time consuming? I don’t mind paying for it if it will do most of the work for me. If you could include pros/cons of any reccos that would be helpful.  Thank you!

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2022, 02:26:36 PM »
What do you mean by "do most of the work for me"?

I use YNAB in large part because I have been for years and at this point the accumulated data is very useful and would be hard to start over again. I do NOT hook up my accounts to it so all my data entry is manual.

To me, a big part of the budgeting process is 3-fold. 1) Understanding what's coming in 2) Understanding what I'm spending money on (and I get pretty granular ie it's not just boat stuff but it's maintenance vs boatyard vs insurance etc) 3) Figuring out if it's sustainable or if I need to cut back/can be more lavish. All of that takes time. YMMV.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2022, 05:29:27 PM »
Sailing- my apologies - what I meant was that the bank info will automatically load and categorize the expenditures. I don’t have too much time or energy to manually enter everything. The more user friendly the better.

I peaked at YNAB - looks like it might work. Do you have any tips on how you use it? How often to you review the info ? What’s most helpful to you? Thx!

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2022, 05:44:33 PM »
I'm pretty boring and bet I don't use it remotely as the robust tool it is.

I have (after many iterations and versions thereof) finally figured out the categories that make sense to me (happily YNAB lets me change things retroactively, so the data is not lost). I budget each month based on the month before as the starting point, then I tweak knowing what the month will hold. For example, when we drove to Texas from Virginia and back, I upped our gas budget since we'd be using way more gas than our usual commute-3-miles existence.

I like that it learns and applies categories. All of our entries from a certain company go to boat maintenance, as an example. I manually input everything so this is helpful. It also saves companies so when I start typing in say Exx . . . it gives me options of places I've spent money.

I go through credit card statement and bank accounts every week, adding in expenditures every Monday. I really REALLY appreciate the manual aspect I've chosen and would recommend it even if you have stuff hooked up; just today I caught a withdrawal from a club we canceled our membership at last year. Because I check and input every week, I caught this and have started the process of getting that money back. It took a little while to set up but now the data entry (as it were) takes about 10 minutes each week.

I set up targets for annual expenses (house insurance and taxes which come in a big lump once or twice a year) so each month I'm putting money into the category; when it comes due and it's paid, the category is back to a good level which gets added to each month. If this makes sense.

You can do a free trial of YNAB, which is nice. That said, there is some work to do on the setup side, which once you've done you might be reluctant to bail out.


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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2022, 06:59:21 PM »
I've been running HoneyMoney (https://honeymoney.io) for 11 years.

It's focused on manual tracking though because nobody will do "the work" for you.
But I tried to simplify the process as much as I could: grouping transactions, planning recurring ahead of time, calendar view.

Comparison with YNAB (biased, of course):
https://honeymoney.io/en/compare
Demo: https://demo.honeymoney.io/

It takes around 15 minutes per week to enter transactions manually, most of the time you just confirm planned transactions with real amounts.

My advice is to not complicate things from the start, focus on tracking first, you can figure out planning a bit later. The goal is to first make it a habit to pay attention to your finances on a regular basis.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2022, 08:43:40 PM »
Tiller money is a spreadsheet based tool and is the most customizable of the bunch. There is a large number of community created spreadsheets or you can customize your own.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2022, 07:10:13 AM »
I've been running HoneyMoney (https://honeymoney.io) for 11 years.

It's focused on manual tracking though because nobody will do "the work" for you.
But I tried to simplify the process as much as I could: grouping transactions, planning recurring ahead of time, calendar view.

Comparison with YNAB (biased, of course):
https://honeymoney.io/en/compare
Demo: https://demo.honeymoney.io/

It takes around 15 minutes per week to enter transactions manually, most of the time you just confirm planned transactions with real amounts.

My advice is to not complicate things from the start, focus on tracking first, you can figure out planning a bit later. The goal is to first make it a habit to pay attention to your finances on a regular basis.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2022, 08:08:20 AM »
Sailing- wow thx for the tips - doesn’t sound too bad - do you pay the monthly fee or have a free account? I noticed that YNAB has the option to sync your bank account. Just curious why you manually enter vs having the bank account sync?

Bee- thank you for the update on honey bee - I checked our your links and reviewed the info- looks cool esp the calendar - it will be hard to decide on which app to use.

Index- I’ll check out those spreadsheet- thank you!!

This has been very helpful!  I’ve mostly been just saving a percentage of my income and spending the rest so budgets in this manner are new to me. I can see the value in it. I really like sailing’s tip on looking ahead at the next month and adjusting budget ahead of time. 

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2022, 08:12:00 AM »
I pay the annual fee to YNAB. Yes, it's $$ but I think it's worth it to me. FYI there are referral codes so if you know someone else who has a YNAB it helps both of you. Not sure if I can post mine here so I won't.

I don't sync because I'm the queen of "making smart things dumb" according to my DH (which I totally agree with and laugh every time). I don't want YNAB to have all that connected info, which is probably a stupid worry. I've not heard of any issues with others.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2022, 08:22:56 AM »
I use YNAB, but not the web version- I had already bought the old version and it continues to do exactly what I need. If I was starting fresh I'm sure the new version would be worth it as well. I've tried spreadsheets, Mint, and other stuff and while they all get the basic job done, none of them are as polished as YNAB.

That said, I mostly use it for expense tracking (and the reports) rather than the budgeting features. The old version doesn't have account linking, but I actually like having to enter the transactions manually, for me it makes me a lot more aware of what I’m spending.

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Re: Updated list of budget trackers
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2022, 11:25:34 AM »
I have used a spreadsheet for the passed 7 years that I updated monthly with transactions imported from Mint or Personal Capital. I was spending hours manually categorizing transactions because Mint/Personal Capital would import them incorrectly or we would decide mid-year to split a category to understand our spending a little better. The list of apps I have tried over the years:

Mint - Broken account links, adds, and poor support were the norm but I used it for years because it was free.

Personal Capital - Broken account links could be fixed with good support until the last couple of years after the sale of the company. I still use PC for tracking investments across multiple accounts.

YNAB - Good support and I used it for about 9 months. I really hate the budgeting framework, but some people really like it. The mobile app and browser based app is really slick.

Simplifi - This is Quicken's new budgeting and tracking app (they sold Mint years ago). It costs a little less than $50 a year and is actually pretty awesome. I used it for the free trial and really liked it's ability to categorize and split transactions, recognize recurring transactions, and support is imediatly available with a live chat feature. The only reason I didn't stick with it is the inability to categorize accounts outside of the default type. I use a brokerage account with checking and debit as my bank account and Simplifi would not import brokerage transactions, only balances which made it unusable to me. I have never used Honeymoney, but Simplifi had a calendar view very similar to Honeymoney which I found really useful.

Tiller - At its core it is essentially just a subscription to a Yodlee feed to automatically import transactions into a spreadsheet (google sheets or excel). It costs $79 a year which gets you good support with account linking. As a spreadsheet based tool, you have complete control over categorization. The best part of the program is the community of spreadsheet nerds who have created and shared 30+ spreadsheets that work automatically with the imported data in the foundation sheets. The community has essentially copied or improved on any cool quicken chart or YNAB zero dollar budgeting you can think of. The community has an active message board where members work together to create and fix new tools all the time.