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FarmFam

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TV/Cable Decisions
« on: December 29, 2014, 11:00:17 AM »
Since being on here I have been trying to bring down all our expenses.  This topic is on the cable.

We had Directv and when I signed up through At&t's bundle they said I can cancel in a year before the intro price went up.  (I know, never listen to them and read the agreement yourself.)  I did read the agreement when I signed up and a day ago when I decided to cancel.  There is no where in the agreement that mentioned a 24 month contract.  But there was another email that said "in another email is the agreement that includes:" and then it lists a couple things including a 24 month equipment lease agreement with cancel fees of $20 per month.  But in the actual agreement this is not mentioned at all. (It was confusing that it wasn't included in the agreement and didn't make sense.)

Anyways, I cancelled at 13 months in, and now have to pay a cancel fee of $220 for the remaining 11 months of the "equipment" lease agreement.  That's where they get you.  You can cancel the "service" anytime, but you are held in an agreement for the equipment lease; which isn't even mentioned in the actual agreement, just alluded to in a set-up email.

I also cancelled Hulu plus.

The savings so far on cable/tv since my case study is:

Directv: $45 (limited to the first 12 months, then it was $95)
Hulu Plus: $8

But it cost $220 to cancel Directv
Still have Netflix at $8 per month

Going forward:
I did some research and wanted to keep my current TV lifestyle but on the cheap.  My options of course revolve around OTA antenna.  The options I found included Windows Media Center, Channel Master, or Tivo Roamio OTA.

But I should also mention, that we live outside the utility lines of cable and therefore fast and cheap internet.  We currently get 3 megabytes per second with At&t (which I had to fight for because they didn't want to give it to me and I can't get it any faster.)   We are also limited to 150 GB per month and will be charged for anything that goes over.

Because of our internet limitations, I am afraid to stream our TV shows too much because it will cost us if we go over.

My solution is to try to get most of the shows over the air and record them; hence, my Windows Media Center, Channel Master, or Tivo OTA options.

My dilemma is that I am trying to keep our costs of TV down as much as possible while at the same time keeping the convenience that I had with Directv.  But not use the internet because of our internet limitations.

I bought an antenna for $80 which is awesome, very happy with it.  We get all the channels and it is omnidirectional so we don't have to keep turning the antenna to get channels.  In our area, we have the TV Towers surrounding us so we would have to keep turning it.

I bought the Tivo OTA to test it out and am so far very happy with it.  It is like having cable still.  The problem is that I am having issues deleting the recorded videos without paying for the service which is $15 per month with a 1 year contract, then month to month contract after that.  This paid service would also allow me to record up to 4 shows at a time without having to do it manually (pressing record at the right time and stop record at the right time).

I am considering getting the Netflix DVD option as well because there are shows I can't get OTA or through Netflix streaming but can get the DVDs after the season is over.  I tried to get through my library but they don't allow holding and the branch is an hour drive away (it is not in the branch close to me but I can drop it off near me).  This Netflix DVD will cost $8 more.

I don't want to do the Windows Media Center because you can only record one show at a time.  I have sometimes 3 shows showing at once.

I don't want to get the Channel Master at this time because I am already spending $220 to cancel Directv and the Channel Master will be an upfront $300 and some reviews describe it as lacking, which for $300 I would expect better.

The only bad thing people review about the Tivo OTA is the cost of the service over time.  In year 2, you would pay the same as the Channel Master, and the price will continue to add up over time.  But with the Channel Master it is a one time payment of the $300 cost of the equipment.  But I think with the CM you can only record 2 shows at a time.

My idea at the moment is pay for Netflix stream and DVD for a total of $16 per month.  Pay for the Tivo OTA service for $15 per month.  Then in year 2 get the Channel Master and cancel Tivo service.  This will be about $30 per month for cable-like services.  Does this sound like a good plan?

My concern is after getting jibbed by long term contracts and agreements (where they get their money out of you even if they don't provide the service they promised, like my Alarm service that doesn't even work but I am stuck paying for or Pet Wellness Plan that slowly kills your pets with annual vaccinations that really should be every 3 years), I am afraid to get into another long term contract.  I just don't trust any services with a contract and cancellation fees anymore.  I mean there must be a reason for the cancellation fee because if they had great service why would someone want to cancel? And why would they feel that have to force someone to stay with them?

I feel that I already made my decision because I am thinking, risking $216 for the year on the Tivo OTA service is small for the convenience and only for the first year.  But then I think, is this being mustachian?

From my past experience, my gut is saying, don't get into another contract.  But that part of me that wants what it wants, wants to have the convenience of cable-like services and thinks $216 is a small risk to take.

BTW, we are very happy with the OTA channels.  My husband still gets his football.  I still get the majority of my TV shows, and the ones we don't we can get online.  His parents pay for cable (will not get rid of it) so we are going to use their password to get online access to the websites that need cable to watch those shows.  The only thing lacking is the recording of the shows so that we don't have to stream everything and go over our internet limits.

And despite what it sounds like, I am not a couch potato.  I have a farm with lots of work to do, I have a full time job, and I take care of the kids.  It is at night when all my day's work is done that I love to sit and veg out in front of the TV to empty my mind which otherwise doesn't turn off.  My brain needs a break and this is the only way I can turn it off.  But I only want to use this time on entertaining shows I can enjoy and not just anything on TV.

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2014, 11:35:54 AM »
Your plan isn't very financially sound, and you're wasting a lot of bleeding money for entertainment.

We already have an active thread relevant to your interests on this very topic right now:

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/cheap-dvr-options-for-antenna-tv/

There's also the guide:

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/communications-tech-son-of-the-superguide!/

TiVo Roamio OTA is designed to be a money pit, don't do it. If you must do TiVo specifically, there's cheaper options over lifetime ownership like picking up a used series 3 or 4 with lifetime subscription already attached. That said, there's far cheaper options. Listen to your gut. If you can cancel it or get out of the contract, do so now. This should also be a huge lesson for you to take to heart: DO NOT BUY CRAP AND SERVICES WITH CONTRACTS ATTACHED. Your experiences with AT&T/DirecTV have rightly red flagged this.

There are $30 HD tuners now that require no subscription and nothing more than an external USB hard drive that can technically do DVR functions now. This is where the technology is at this point... it's not even worth it to DIY anymore unless you just really want to or you already have the gear kicking around. There's also other multi-tuner options from other manufacturers than just Channel Master. Look into Magnavox's offerings as well as Tablo and simple.tv, though the last two need a smart TV, Roku or Chromecast or whatnot if you don't want to watch from a computer or tablet.

That said, you do have something working in your favor with the 3Mbps DSL... what really chews up data caps is HD video, not SD. 3Mbps can only technically stream 480p SD video, which will save a ton on bandwidth. Unfortunately, there's a down side... you're dealing with AT&T, and these people inflate your actual data usage like a clown inflates a balloon. At its worst, however, when we were with AT&T, we never broke ~80GB of data and we streamed off and on semi-regularly, but we also don't binge on the idiot box. Our same habits on Cox has never thrown us over the 45GB mark when combined with the other traffic, which is a more accurate number for our real world usage. Just keep tabs on your reported data usage.

You should also ask to see what the most stripped down DirecTV package you can qualify for is available. I'm not familiar with what packages they offer currently, but I know you can strip down Dish to about $10-15/month for locals and public access. It might be worth waiting out the hardware contract if you can reduce the bill down to $20 or less. Your contract for the service level is over, so you should be able to change that part.

I also know that you use it for relaxation, but I'd recommend you give Marie Winn's book The Plug In Drug a read sometime.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2014, 11:37:30 AM by I.P. Daley »

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2014, 01:16:01 PM »
Sounds like you're chemically addicted to television. Have you considered reducing your screen time to four hours per week until you get a better grip on your viewing habits? Case in point:

Why can't you make it on 150 GB per month? That is a shit ton.

Why do you need to record shows...ever...much less three at the same time?

Don't get me wrong. There is some AMAZING television out there, particularly if you can play the 'delay of gratification' game and wait for stuff to show up on Netflix and Amazon Prime Instant Video -- thus no need for recording.

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 01:54:53 PM »
I have a double tuner in my HTPC.  That allows me to record/view two shows at once.  You could either get 2 of those or just deal with watching 2 shows at once.  Honestly, if watching two shows isn't enough for you, you probably shouldn't cut your TV.  It sounds like you need to unplug a bit and let some of it go. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 02:04:02 PM »
Oh my! Sounds like a bad case of TV addiction. I don't know how you have the time with all of your other responsibilities to have so many TV shows to record.

I recently moved and used the opportunity to cut the cable cord. I actually didn't watch a ton of TV, but always had the news on in the background or something while at home since I live alone. I thought I would look into Netflix and all of that stuff once I got settled in.

Well it turns out that as a result I am barely watching TV. I think I replaced that time suck with reading these forums which is my new time suck. I read the news online, which I was doing before anyways, and think I have a reasonable grasp of what's going on, in addition to occasionally watching the network news if I happen to turn on the TV.

I do love the Create PBS channel which I discovered when I started getting OTA reception. Most of the shows are about cooking, travel, music, art and no commercials! That's my new background TV channel.

I watch a couple of shows and just watch the replays when they post them online. For free! I haven't found the need for Netflix yet either. The town I live in has regular free weekly outdoor movies which are very nice to go to.

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 03:13:35 PM »
I don't want to do the Windows Media Center because you can only record one show at a time.

This is not correct. Perhaps the HTPC only comes with one tuner, but you can always add more. I like my HDHomeRun Dual (an external box with two tuners that connects to the HTPC via ethernet), for example.

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2014, 04:00:55 PM »
You may also try checking your local library to see if they have DVDs you can borrow.  Ours has many movies and old TV shows available.  Your idea of recording off the antenna sounds good too.

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Re: TV/Cable Decisions
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 01:27:52 PM »
I seem to be catching up on all my postings :)

I wanted to thank you for all the advice.  I think there was an underline problem I was having with my TV watching.  I am working on it with my husband.  Seems I was avoiding other issues in our relationship by watching TV.

I cut out a lot of shows.

We get 1.5mbps or something like that in internet so the guy in tech support said I would never go over my limit even if I watched tv all day long none stop for a month.  But I am not!

We are all getting off the TV and doing other stuff with our time.  More dates and time out with the kids.  Stuff to do around the house.  More reading of books.  Tackling other interests I put off for TV.

We are happier!

We just pay for Netflix and Internet.  I cut Hulu which I can get for free through the laptop connected through the TV.  But again the time on TV has been cut by about 80%. 

After not watching my shows for about 2 months, I didn't miss them and cut them from my list.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2015, 06:31:26 PM »
Wow!  Good for you farmfam, those are impressive changes.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 01:58:16 AM »
Sounds like you're chemically addicted to television.

Step back, take a deep breath, and ask yourself, does that comment even make ANY sense?

Sure, it's snarky, and helps you feel superior, but it simply doesn't sound logical. 
Is there any such thing as a "chemical addiction to television?"

If I'm wrong, and you are an expert in the field, please explain "chemical addiction to television"

Thanks.

MOD EDIT: Please read forum rule #1.  Your comment about being snarky and feeling superior, ironically, applies to your own post.  Being rude is not okay.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 11:07:30 AM »
I don't want to do the Windows Media Center because you can only record one show at a time.

This is not correct. Perhaps the HTPC only comes with one tuner, but you can always add more. I like my HDHomeRun Dual (an external box with two tuners that connects to the HTPC via ethernet), for example.

I too have a dual HDHomeRun and it's by far the best tv tuner I've ever had. I've bought some others that were flat out junk. I don't really use it anymore as I hardly ever watch tv outside of sports. If there's a tv show I really want I just buy it through Amazon.

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/

 

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