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Threw a grenade at work
« on: July 03, 2021, 09:18:36 AM »
So after many years in the trenches I just got sick of the bs.  I was not expecting to leave but I think I just snapped a bit.  I haven't left yet but the situation is such a mess I'm not sure there's a future there.  I'm in my mid forties and have a family of 5 including young kids.  We spend somewhere between 150k and 200k a year but if I wasn't working that would come down a bit as I could cook and mow the lawn myself etc.  What do you folks think?  Should I say to hell with it and take some time off? How should I adjust mentally as I'm still pretty riled about the unfair stuff that went down at work?  Thanks mustache community!
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2021, 09:52:08 AM »
Well, if that spend is not likely to rise substantially in the future (college costs, etc.), then you clearly have more than enough to retire yesterday (even at a withdrawal rate of less than 4% of your stache).  So you are not asking a math question. It's unclear exactly what you are ARE asking for advice on then. 

You probably need to examine your psychology as pertains to your work: how you like it apart from this current situation; plans of what to do with yourself if you aren't working; sense of security/risk (irrational given your vast amount of money, but emotions are often not rational); and whether you have a good sense of identity and a social community without work.

I'd recommend thinking about those topics to decide whether you want to retire. Money is clearly not the problem.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2021, 10:01:42 AM »
So after many years in the trenches I just got sick of the bs.  I was not expecting to leave but I think I just snapped a bit.  I haven't left yet but the situation is such a mess I'm not sure there's a future there.  The good news is I have a lot of dough.  About $8m in net worth, 90% in financial assets.  I'm in my mid forties and have a family of 5 including young kids.  We spend somewhere between 150k and 200k a year but if I wasn't working that would come down a bit as I could cook and mow the lawn myself etc.  What do you folks think?  Should I say to hell with it and take some time off? How should I adjust mentally as I'm still pretty riled about the unfair stuff that went down at work?  Thanks mustache community!
What a gift it will be for your kids to have more time with you! Take this opportunity and enjoy it to the fullest. You can always go to work later if you're worried about college expenses or whatever, but with a NW like yours, it's never gonna happen.

Congratulations, you've won the game!

Note: My Dad retired at 50, by which time I was already up and out. We older sibs were a wee bit envious of the time and travel the younger ones got to experience with our parents. They had some great experiences together. Do it.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2021, 10:01:47 AM »
Are you a troll? Are you checking to see how soft the forum is getting? Seriously, wtf?

You spend 3-4 times what the average family earns and still managed to amass eight million dollars.  How much do the lowest paid workers at your company make, compared to you? Is that what you meant by unfair stuff?

If your post was meant seriously then yes, you are good. 8 million lets you spend 320k per year on the 4% rule. You won't even have to mow your own lawn.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2021, 10:04:23 AM »
...but emotions are often not rational

Indeed emotions can suck

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2021, 10:07:12 AM »
Are you a troll?

I am not perhaps the best looking person, but "troll" seems harsh.  :)


Are you checking to see how soft the forum is getting?

I am very blessed, its true (in ways besides my trollish looks), but yes still a human and going through a tough thing.  I may be the soft one.  I left work once before for a short period once and found it tough to be honest.  I hope I've learned some stuff since then.  But there is some kind of juice you get from work that I do miss when I'm away.  On the other hand life is short and spending more time with the kids is a terrific idea.


How much do the lowest paid workers at your company make, compared to you? Is that what you meant by unfair stuff?

Not exactly.  I started at the company making that lowest wage and worked my way up to a higher wage over many years.  I don't know if that is fair or unfair but I do feel kinda burnt out if I'm honest.


Seriously, wtf?

That's almost verbatim what I said to my boss yesterday.  ;)
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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2021, 10:09:03 AM »

Congratulations, you've won the game!

Note: My Dad retired at 50, by which time I was already up and out. We older sibs were a wee bit envious of the time and travel the younger ones got to experience with our parents. They had some great experiences together. Do it.

This is what I am leaning to.  Maybe do some part time work but really re-gear and spend quality time with the kids, work on my own stuff, etc.  Love it.  This is the kind of affirming help I need to kick me in the right direction.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2021, 10:26:23 AM »
Are you a troll? Are you checking to see how soft the forum is getting? Seriously, wtf?

I am not perhaps the best looking person, but "troll" seems harsh.  :)

I am very blessed, its true (in ways besides my trollish looks), but yes still a human and going through a tough thing. 
I left work once before for a short period once and found it tough to be honest.  I hope I've learned some stuff since then.  But there is some kind of juice you get from work that I do miss when I'm away.  On the other hand life is short and spending more time with the kids is a terrific idea.

I applaud you for replying. I've seen posts like that before, usually with huge numbers like that, and op usually doesn't reply to the responses. There are people here who retire on 1/10th of what you have, so I really didn't understand your question.

 You could consider a donor advised fund to share some of that wealth!

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2021, 10:29:55 AM »
I applaud you for replying. I've seen posts like that before, usually with huge numbers like that, and op usually doesn't reply to the responses. There are people here who retire on 1/10th of what you have, so I really didn't understand your question.

 You could consider a donor advised fund to share some of that wealth!

I'll reply till the cows come home.  These kind of affirmations mixed with face punches is exactly why I'm here.  I need a major reset.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2021, 10:46:50 AM »
There are lottery winners going to Disneyland with far lower net worths than you have. If I had that much money I'd do whatever I wanted. It may be wise to reduce expenses somewhat. If you were smart enough to accumulate that much money at this age, you'll be smart enough to make it last.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2021, 10:52:06 AM »
Congratulations on throwing the grenade at work.  If you feel up to sharing the details the Epic FU money stories thread can always do with another entry -

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/epic-fu-money-stories/


Also, have you seen this thread, from someone with a similar net worth and similar issues about work/retirement?

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/case-studies/retiring-young-how-much-can-i-spend-for-the-rest-of-my-days/msg2864672/#msg2864672

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2021, 10:59:26 AM »
There are lottery winners going to Disneyland with far lower net worths than you have. If I had that much money I'd do whatever I wanted. It may be wise to reduce expenses somewhat. If you were smart enough to accumulate that much money at this age, you'll be smart enough to make it last.

I did see Disney now has that Star Wars themed hotel... that seems fun but it could be both pricey and hard to get a reservation.  Honestly I usually have more fun camping than staying in some fancy hotel.  I'd like to do a lot of camping I think.  And become a jedi.
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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2021, 11:10:53 AM »
Congratulations on throwing the grenade at work.  If you feel up to sharing the details the Epic FU money stories thread can always do with another entry -

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/epic-fu-money-stories/

Thank you for this link.  At a minimum it will provide me with hours of genuine entertainment. 


Also, have you seen this thread, from someone with a similar net worth and similar issues about work/retirement?

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/case-studies/retiring-young-how-much-can-i-spend-for-the-rest-of-my-days/msg2864672/#msg2864672

This rich dude seems really out of whack and I hope he gets the help he needs (thank god I don't have his kind of challenges)...  :)

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2021, 11:17:35 AM »
Shirley you can't be serious.

You have it made. You can do whatever you want without any regard to anything except how much it will increase your happiness and satisfaction with your own life. Maybe being honest at work will get you a promotion to a spot where you can end the BS and become truly satisfied. If not, Toodles Boss!

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2021, 11:37:40 AM »
Shirley you can't be serious.

You have it made. You can do whatever you want without any regard to anything except how much it will increase your happiness and satisfaction with your own life. Maybe being honest at work will get you a promotion to a spot where you can end the BS and become truly satisfied. If not, Toodles Boss!

I totally agree, Radagast.  Gotta get my head screwed on straight here.  And don't call me Shirley.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2021, 12:28:52 PM »
Shirley you can't be serious.

You have it made. You can do whatever you want without any regard to anything except how much it will increase your happiness and satisfaction with your own life. Maybe being honest at work will get you a promotion to a spot where you can end the BS and become truly satisfied. If not, Toodles Boss!

I totally agree, Radagast.  Gotta get my head screwed on straight here.  And don't call me Shirley.
Lol, I thought Shirley might be your boss.


Congratulations, you've won the game!

Note: My Dad retired at 50, by which time I was already up and out. We older sibs were a wee bit envious of the time and travel the younger ones got to experience with our parents. They had some great experiences together. Do it.

This is what I am leaning to.  Maybe do some part time work but really re-gear and spend quality time with the kids, work on my own stuff, etc.  Love it.  This is the kind of affirming help I need to kick me in the right direction.
This response made me smile, then honest-to-God tear up and miss my Dad. RIP, "Pops", you were a great guy, warts and all.

Congratulations on throwing the grenade at work.  If you feel up to sharing the details the Epic FU money stories thread can always do with another entry -

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/epic-fu-money-stories/

The first link is brilliant, the second one is shite, IMO. Dude's only made two posts on the whole damn forum.
Stick around OP (<--- see what I did there?), I think we're gonna like you.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2021, 01:07:43 PM »
I need a major reset.
If you haven't seen it already, check out Rich, Broke, or Dead.

Play around with the numbers.
Notice how there is no visible red for your scenario/worth.
Notice how the gray band doesn't change scale depending on how much money you have.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2021, 01:21:03 PM »
What a gift it will be to your kids to have time to spend with their dad.

And what an even bigger gift it would be if you can teach them to be happy living on less.  Show them that happiness can be found for less than $100k/yr.  Sure, you have enough to spend far more than that, but that isn't doing nearly as much for your kids as allowing them to find happiness on less.  Right now, you are showing them they need $200k/yr to be happy.  That's not setting them up for the best lives they can have.  That's not setting them up to be free as soon as possible from the same rat race you hate.  Wouldn't you want for them to be able to pursue lower paying careers if that's what calls to them, or be able to punch out at "only" $2-3M (or less!) so they can get away from the exact thing that just made you hurl that grenade?  Or to show them that once you have enough, you can dedicate your time and resources to charitable endeavors, either through volunteer work, aggressive donating, working in a low-paying job (part or full time) where you are contributing to a cause in which you believe, or some combination of all of those?  What an incredible opportunity you have!

Quitting or scaling back is a nice thing for your kids, but the bigger gifts you have the opportunity to give then are even nicer. 

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2021, 01:32:54 PM »
Play around with the numbers.
Notice how there is no visible red for your scenario/worth.
Notice how the gray band doesn't change scale depending on how much money you have.

That's fun--it looks like I'm super rich (for the moment) and not-at-all dead (yet).
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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2021, 01:35:46 PM »
Or to show them that once you have enough, you can dedicate your time and resources to charitable endeavors, either through volunteer work, aggressive donating, working in a low-paying job (part or full time) where you are contributing to a cause in which you believe, or some combination of all of those?  What an incredible opportunity you have!

True dat.  Opportunities abound.  Now I just need to figure out what I believe in--I've spent so much time solving a certain kind of problem for a certain kind of person.  Old dog new tricks and all that.  Gotta reset my brain.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2021, 05:41:25 AM »
Yep.  That reset can be hard.  I only worked for 12 years and 5 years into retirement I'm still fighting it.  Money is obviously not an issue but I think it is wise to have the plan formulated before you pull the ripcord. Lots of things to think about.

What does your spouse do?  How will they handle the sudden full time presence of a formerly high powered corporate type?

Do you have any hobbies?

Have you put together a tax plan?

Is part time an option?  Either in this job or another? It may help soften the landing.

Or maybe some other small venture you have been thinking about starting?

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2021, 06:29:29 AM »
The only thing I don't understand is why you took so long to quit?

I'm not being glib either. You only get one life. What on earth made you decide to keep working at a job that wasn't making you happy for more money that you don't need?

What does your ideal life look like and why aren't you already living it?

I'm dead serious. I see no excuse for you to not be living your absolute, ideal life.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2021, 06:36:27 AM »
If I had $8M I would not put up with any BS at work at all.

Why were you putting up with any in the first place?

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2021, 07:41:37 AM »
I'm going to just pop in here and say that I'm surrounded by people who spend 100-400K per year, so I'm used to those numbers and can easily understand how someone living a pretty normal life can get their spending up there.

Granted, if you're an MMM fan, then you will know that one of the basis of his perspectives is that it's kind of ridiculous that a very low spend life and a very high spend life basically look the same. This really is my experience with my high spending colleagues, their lives really aren't that meaningfully different than mine.

So on the one hand, it's easy for me to understand how you could spend that much and not find it unusual, and not be living anything beyond a pretty normal lifestyle, on the other hand you could view it as kind of silly to spend so much for a life that looks pretty much like any other normal life.

In the end though, it doesn't really matter. What matters is if your life is happy, healthy and thriving. Which obviously, it's isn't.

If you were abundantly happy, living a rich and full like, and it was costing you hundreds of thousands, then I would be like "cool, you can obviously afford it". But you aren't.

So I come back to what I said before, why aren't you living your best, most thriving life?

If I were you, I would be challenging EVERY SINGLE assumption I have about my life and my choices.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2021, 09:36:13 AM »
I need a major reset.
If you haven't seen it already, check out Rich, Broke, or Dead.

Play around with the numbers.
Notice how there is no visible red for your scenario/worth.
Notice how the gray band doesn't change scale depending on how much money you have.

++

By far my favorite FIRE estimator. Everyone contemplating retirement should give it a try.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2021, 12:02:39 PM »
In what universe, where on this entire earth is $8M not enough to retire and live well on?
You must be riddled with fear and insecurity and have absolutely no sense of self-worth unless you work.
What is even worse - you work for someone else!

It doesn't really matter which unfair treatment/situation finally made your blood boil.
It is a clear sign that subconsciously you have finally had enough of all the corporate BS.

Pay attention - forget this mess, think of your own health and happiness and that just maybe your wife and kids might be thrilled to spend some one-on-one time with you.
Use this long weekend to forge a plan for the next stage in your life.

You are a smart guy you will carve out a wonderful, soul-satisfying life for yourself the instant that you decide to give yourself permission to do so.
Deep breath - you will be fine.
All you need is a new purpose in life, you said you already sorta looked into being a jobless bum and didn't thrive on it. So do sumptin'.

You could.....forget about your own problems for a while - your drama is self-created after all/S:)
Use your talents to fix some of the unfairness in our world. You must be sizzling with energy and obviously enjoy solving problems for others.
You are the perfect man for the job!

What bugs you the most? Surely something in our often totally unfair world moves your heart and makes you want to step in and help?
Can you build a decent quality permanent tiny house community for seniors who are just fine - except, they can't afford to pay rent?
Or buy a duplex apartment with eight or more units somewhere near a bus stop and at least a grocery store, thrift store... to walk to?
Fix it up - ask say zero to $100-$250 in rent depending on their situation.
Not just finances, if the meds take up all their extra money it doesn't matter that on paper they have a 'liveable' income.

We have people on this forum who have flipped small bungalows and rent them at a low price; with specific criteria to help others in mind.   

Would you be perfect as a mentor for a teen to help them find their way in life?
What about fundraising efforts for a good cause like a shelter for abused women or the local homeless shelter for cats, dogs, humans?
Or one of my favorites do something, anything that benefits mother earth - help her breathe and become healthy, lush and green again.

You mentioned you liked camping
would you enjoy setting up a program for kids involving nature? Save a wilderness area from a developer? Bring some green into the concrete jungle of our cities?
Help build a start-up that focuses on solving an environmental issue?

Could you set up a daycare center for working moms/dads from the ground up in an area where it is most needed? Then duplicate that success, find a place, find the funding, keep it running?
Can you devise a great program for say 25 homeless or 10 homeless families? Find/set a criteria that works and helps people get back on their feet?
or re-organize, improve an existing program?

You don't have to commit to lifelong service to humanity - I get it, you are not Mother Theresa:) you are just looking for support to take the next step. 
Focusing on something beyond the misery of your self-constructed prison walls made of money and status will go a long way towards a complete re-set.

Become involved with fighting for those who cannot help themselves because they are too old, too young, too sick or too fragile and unsuited for our harsh world. You have the energy and the drive to make any project a success - the world needs people like you.

I have a sticker that says, "no fear - no limits", it is a good reminder of the limits and expectations we place on ourselves.
Find the courage to live your life on your own terms.

Money and status can become addictive and hold us captive like a slave.
Lifestyle creep is real whether one has $2000 a month to spend or $250K.
But that isn't your real problem, your problem is finding a new purpose and identity that makes you feel good about yourself and your life.
 
You appear lost in a world where money, status, and having the right position and influence are what defines the worth of a man.
You worked hard to get where you are and it is something to be proud of. Congratulations:) - you won!
You made it to the top of the food chain - savor it while you can and move on when things become unbearable.

Moving on when the time has come is what all the smart people do and in your gut, you know it. There is nothing wrong with taking your time and drifting a bit while you consider your next venture. Relax, the world is your oyster.
You got $8M saying how capable you are - go forth - do sumptin' - do nothing - do good - or if and when you want to start a new business venture of your own.

Sorry for the long post but I think at this stage of the game no f$$$ing fire calculator in the world is going to help you see the light.     

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2021, 12:07:45 PM »
8 mil?  I think you'll survive retirement.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2021, 01:20:11 PM »
@Rosy - Best facepunch ever! Hope you heed these very wise words, op!

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2021, 02:42:41 PM »
Oh FFS! You need $5m to continue financing a $200k/yr lifestyle for life, and you have $8m. Financially you’re done. Any second working is completely unnecessary financially, only emotionally or mentally. It’s also a choice. You can and should be making choices that only prioritize your health and the health of your family, anything less is on you and only you.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2021, 04:28:22 PM »
I suspect that your problems are other than financial.

I assume that you worked in tech? One curious thing I have observed is that it's generally acceptable to quit after a successful IPO or acquisition (ie "leave on a high note" like George Costanza). However, quitting due to burnout is viewed as a sign of weakness. Regardless, my advice to you is to not think about what others will think - its your life.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2021, 05:28:30 PM »

Congratulations, you've won the game!

Note: My Dad retired at 50, by which time I was already up and out. We older sibs were a wee bit envious of the time and travel the younger ones got to experience with our parents. They had some great experiences together. Do it.

This is what I am leaning to.  Maybe do some part time work but really re-gear and spend quality time with the kids, work on my own stuff, etc.  Love it.  This is the kind of affirming help I need to kick me in the right direction.

Yes, DO IT! :)

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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2021, 05:48:32 AM »
I'll chime in, as I'm also around a lot of high-net-worth achievers on a regular basis: you need to look to what's next.

You can obviously leave, retire, and be fine.  Even with very conservative estimations (e.g., a 3% withdrawal rate).  So that much is given.

Here's the single best resource I found after drifting a while myself, having hopped out of a job without figuring out the next stage.  It's called Now What.

It's a set of career coaching lessons in one, but most of all, it helps you get to know who YOU are and what YOU bring to others--and will likely do, whether as formal work or not, in some way, going forward.

I wish you all the best.  I'm jealous, frankly, as you're where I'd love to be, and hope to be someday.  So I wish you the best on making the most of it.   

I'm going to suggest a different approach.

I'm a recovering achievement junkie, and learning to evolve from that in retirement has been a remarkable progress.

I still achieve like crazy, but my goals are now to live as rich and healthy a life as possible, not meet arbitrary goals set by external forces.

That took a challenging process of letting go of my addiction to accomplishment.

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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2021, 05:50:16 AM »
Here's the single best resource I found after drifting a while myself, having hopped out of a job without figuring out the next stage.  It's called Now What.

I wish you all the best.  I'm jealous, frankly, as you're where I'd love to be, and hope to be someday.  So I wish you the best on making the most of it.   

I'll check it out--thanks for the tip!

UPDATE--Found it on Hoopla as a free check out from the library (audio version).  Enjoying it at double speed.  Some good insights in here!
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Re: Threw a grenade at work
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2021, 05:52:30 AM »
Maybe your company recognizes things are not working out and will offer you a package to leave.  I say give it 3 months to see if they do. 
Spend that 90 days figuring out all the stuff from health care to college savings to what your day-to-day would feel like. 
Let us know how it goes!  Looking for that Epic FU story one day.               

This is what I've been coming around to.  Decompressing a bit here and figuring out next steps.

admit you saved all these nuts like an awesome squirrel and now need some psychological tools to stop doing that.

Yes I may be part squirrel.  I've even got an awesome spreadsheet to track where all my acorns are.  :)


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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2021, 05:57:58 AM »
@Rosy - Best facepunch ever! Hope you heed these very wise words, op!

True--still holding the ice pack to my face from this.  Lots of good tips.

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2021, 06:01:18 AM »
I still achieve like crazy, but my goals are now to live as rich and healthy a life as possible, not meet arbitrary goals set by external forces.

Damn right, I'll set my own arbitrary goals thank u very much... now if I can just come up with those.  "Become a jedi" is probably too vague (but maybe not).  :)
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2021, 06:02:14 AM »
I suspect that your problems are other than financial.

That's for sure.  My problems are primarily mental!

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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2021, 07:08:46 AM »
I still achieve like crazy, but my goals are now to live as rich and healthy a life as possible, not meet arbitrary goals set by external forces.

Damn right, I'll set my own arbitrary goals thank u very much... now if I can just come up with those.  "Become a jedi" is probably too vague (but maybe not).  :)

Honestly, the more vague the better.

From the sounds of it, you have entirely lost your instincts as to how to thrive. It sounds like you've been well conditioned to perform, not to thrive.

You could benefit from a total accomplishment detox and getting back in touch with what your own actual needs are.

Basic metrics for this: are you sleeping well? Do you wake rested and happy? Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

These are the *bare minimum* metrics of thriving. If you aren't hitting all of those targets, something is very very wrong and should be urgently addressed.

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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2021, 12:16:20 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me. 
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2021, 01:41:24 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2021, 01:57:16 PM »
Congrats OP, reaching FI is just the beginning. You may enjoy this short video with Vicki Robin which discusses this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfc1YMfDFY4.

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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2021, 02:06:25 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2021, 02:07:40 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

If eating chocolate cake for breakfast genuinely makes your body function it's best, and feel it's best, then who am I to argue.

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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2021, 02:11:16 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

If eating chocolate cake for breakfast genuinely makes your body function it's best, and feel it's best, then who am I to argue.

I said nothing of 'function', just feel.

:P

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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2021, 02:13:27 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

If eating chocolate cake for breakfast genuinely makes your body function it's best, and feel it's best, then who am I to argue.

I said nothing of 'function', just feel.

:P

I'm more of a pie guy.  Strawberry rhubarb... yum!

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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2021, 02:29:41 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

If eating chocolate cake for breakfast genuinely makes your body function it's best, and feel it's best, then who am I to argue.

I said nothing of 'function', just feel.

:P

I'm more of a pie guy.  Strawberry rhubarb... yum!

"Strawberries are healthy, and rhubarb is healthy . . . so this isn't dessert, it's healthy food!"  - my 7 year old son a few weeks back.

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« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2021, 02:33:58 PM »
Congrats OP, reaching FI is just the beginning. You may enjoy this short video with Vicki Robin which discusses this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfc1YMfDFY4.

Oh wow, I love this.  She's great.  Love the Campbell and Oliver refs.  Good stuff. 

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« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2021, 02:40:47 PM »
"Strawberries are healthy, and rhubarb is healthy . . . so this isn't dessert, it's healthy food!"  - my 7 year old son a few weeks back.

That sounds like unimpeachable logic to me.  Speaking of which, peach pie is also very good.   

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« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2021, 02:43:30 PM »
Is your diet optimal? Are you getting enough exercise and enjoying it?

At the risk of asking advice from soneone who may or may not be an evil cat (mwah ha meow?), what is an optimal diet?  I usually eat during a 6 to 10 hour window during the day, usually not much sugar, high protein, thinking about reducing meat more.  There's been times in my life when I've been too skinny or too heavy... but I think I've kinda figured out how to stay in the zone.  If I had more time off (say after this FU nexus event) I would be tempted to put on some more muscle, maybe 10 pounds or so, but I also toy with the idea of going heavy into yoga (as part of the jedi training)... crow pose and wheel continue to elude me.

Your optimal diet is whatever diet makes you feel best.

I feel pretty good eating chocolate cake for breakfast.  Not sure about 'optimal' though . . .

If eating chocolate cake for breakfast genuinely makes your body function it's best, and feel it's best, then who am I to argue.

I said nothing of 'function', just feel.

:P

I just had cheesecake for lunch and it made me feel sad because there's nothing sadder than shitty cheesecake.

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« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2021, 03:26:25 PM »
Congrats OP, reaching FI is just the beginning. You may enjoy this short video with Vicki Robin which discusses this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfc1YMfDFY4.

Oh wow, I love this.  She's great.  Love the Campbell and Oliver refs.  Good stuff.

Vicki is one of the FI "Jedi Masters" and that recent interview is one of the best summaries of the typical post-FI journey, from initial decompression phase, hobbies/travel, helping others, searching for meaning, and ultimately being content.