Author Topic: The freedom of not having valuable possessions  (Read 17407 times)

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2015, 09:47:34 AM »
I am not sure I like to be told that I should not buy quality, valuable possessions just because someone might steal them.

I buy top quality tools for my workshop, because I enjoy using a quality tool and believe sometimes a cheap tool is false economy.

Should we tell pretty girls not to wear makeup or nice clothes because they may get raped?   Freedom in being ugly?

Well, I don't think anybody is saying you can't buy quality, valuable possessions. As long as you realize there is an extra cost that goes along with them. The cost of keeping them clean, usable, and in your possession.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2015, 12:33:09 PM »
Not a burglary, but for about half an hour a couple of weeks ago, we were not at all certain that our house wasn't burning down. We landed at the airport after a trip, and when I turned on my phone I had a text from a friend saying, "Are you all okay over there? I see a lot of fire dept related activity." It took a little over thirty minutes for us to confirm that it was a house across the street from us (bless their hearts - they lost two dogs and the house was so damaged it will have to be razed). Longest thirty minutes of my life! But what I realized in that interminable thirty minutes was that the only thing of true, irreplaceable value in the house was our cat. Yes, I'd be sad to lose scrapbooks I'd made. Yes, there's paperwork that would be arduous to replace (passports, birth and marriage certificates). Yes, there's original artwork it would be a shame to lose. But at the end of the day, they are just things.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2015, 04:58:01 AM »
During college, I was doing an internship in a small town in New Mexico. The interns were all living together in a small trailer. When we went to Albuquerque for a work-related weekend trip, the place was broken into.

We think it was some teenage hooligans based on the items that were taken. They broke into the back of the trailer, and took a lot of my roommates' things. In my room, they rifled through my underwear drawer (gross) and took my jewelry box. Strangely, they left my $1K road bike (guess the neon pink was too much?) and the thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment in my closet (I was the tech geek so I had our project equipment). They also took the beer that was in the fridge.

Other than the shock of knowing someone had been going through my things, the only thing I was upset about was the jewelry box. Not because I buy anything expensive for myself, but because both of my grandmothers do and I lost most of the jewelry that they had given me. Since then I refuse to buy any "nice" jewelry. Costume jewelry works just as well, no one has ever commented that they notice I'm not wearing "real" jewelry, and I don't feel bad if I lose it... Like last week when I accidentally dropped my ring down the toilet at work (not a western toilet, so no, I couldn't get it out).

I did splurge on kitchen equipment because I LOVE to cook and there is not a day that I don't look forward to being back in the US solely to have access to it. However, I highly doubt your average thief would go after my incredibly heavy enameled cast iron dutch oven.... I also have pretty nice furniture for a 20-something, but most of it was bought/gifted used or at significant discount. Still, this post reminds me to plan on doing a full inventory when I move back home.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2015, 07:52:25 PM »
Should we tell pretty girls not to wear makeup or nice clothes because they may get raped?   Freedom in being ugly?

I wear crappy clothes and only wear makeup to weddings and funerals. Not ugly.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2015, 09:33:23 PM »
Yes the lack of stuff helps us too.. a $600 TV and a $2000k couch set is about the only things of value.. Unless they steal the $750 gas stove..:)

But then there is my tools.. oh boy!

Wait... *counts on fingers*... you have a two million dollar couch?

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2015, 08:25:58 AM »
Should we tell pretty girls not to wear makeup or nice clothes because they may get raped?   Freedom in being ugly?

I wear crappy clothes and only wear makeup to weddings and funerals. Not ugly.

Seriously. Since when did makeup and clothing determine whether or not a person is attractive? I imagine you could put Gisele Bundchen in a sackcloth and rub ashes on her face, and she would still get hit on in a bar.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2015, 04:15:08 PM »
Nobody's saying you can't have nice things. I have some awesomely nice things -- a well-seasoned cast iron frypan, a broken-in guitar, a plum tree, a really warm quilt, and a comfortable couch. I just don't have expensive things.

I've considered putting a sticker on my front window: "Home Protected by NWS -- Nothing Worth Stealing".


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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2015, 04:17:30 PM »
Nobody's saying you can't have nice things. I have some awesomely nice things -- a well-seasoned cast iron frypan, a broken-in guitar, a plum tree, a really warm quilt, and a comfortable couch. I just don't have expensive things.

I've considered putting a sticker on my front window: "Home Protected by NWS -- Nothing Worth Stealing".

Well, fine for you but I like to do woodworking and metal machining and I do not buy Harbor Freight tools for it.   If someone breaks into my garage they would have access to thousands of dollars in tools.  I also have a .357

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2015, 04:37:55 PM »
Well, fine for you but I like to do woodworking and metal machining and I do not buy Harbor Freight tools for it.   If someone breaks into my garage they would have access to thousands of dollars in tools.  I also have a .357

I think that's *my* point! You chose an expensive hobby, which then pushes you to choose a weapon and/or alarm and/or insurance.

But I imagine that expensive hobby brings you pleasure or satisfaction, more so than a box o' gold in the closet.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2015, 05:03:18 PM »

I think that's *my* point! You chose an expensive hobby, which then pushes you to choose a weapon and/or alarm and/or insurance.

But I imagine that expensive hobby brings you pleasure or satisfaction, more so than a box o' gold in the closet.

But my point is we should not accept a society where in order to avoid someone taking what you have, you must avoid buying anything.  My pretty girl example was bad, but what about a situation where a boy in school must perform bad on tests because to do otherwise would cause bullying by his fellow students.   Is that acceptable to you?

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2015, 05:32:58 PM »
Yes the lack of stuff helps us too.. a $600 TV and a $2000k couch set is about the only things of value.. Unless they steal the $750 gas stove..:)

But then there is my tools.. oh boy!

Wait... *counts on fingers*... you have a two million dollar couch?

Yes it sure is comfy..;)

Speaking of expensive things, see that airplane I am hanging out of?.. I built that thing. It cruised at 200mph and had full instrument flying capability (clouds, but no de-icing equipment).

It was worth roughly $100k.. It cost me about $90k to build it if you don't count the 1400 hours of my labour.

Eventually I got to the point where flying 400 miles for lunch was getting old and so was the constant maintenance (which I did), plus the hangar rent, insurance and purposely going out in crappy weather to maintain my instrument rating.. oh and fuel...:)

OK, the time had come.. I had lots of aerobatic videos and photo's to remember the beast by.. But then I sold it.. Done, 1500 hours of flying experience and I have really hardly missed it at all.

There was a lot of "me" in that airplane not to mention the 10% of my net worth at the time.

Now we really are wondering... Why do we have 2 rental properties ( its not free money).. In fact do we even need to own a house.. with an expensive couch???


Funny how your perspective changes I guess..:)
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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2015, 05:39:23 PM »
Exflyboy, awesome!   I like to build too (we built a full RV from the ground up) and know the labor and money that goes into it.

A plane is a step up from what we do though!

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2015, 05:50:15 PM »
Yup.. I was so dumb.. that was the second airplane I built.

I am about to get new renters (old renters want to break the lease so they are finding new renters)... This afternoon I start to think... "Really??.. Do I really want to be in this business?.. What if their dog bites someone and the plumbing starts leaking? blah blah blah"

Having said that renting has made us close to $260k in income and the trailer cost us $12k to buy with the house.. so its hard to complain..:)

Maybe the place will have worn out sufficiently in the next 5 years it may make sense to pay somebody to haul it off, especially as my motivation to work on the upkeep is diminishing fast.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2015, 12:16:54 PM »
We were broken into once - not a lot expensive taken (we didn't own anything expensive) but things were a pain to replace, the insurance company wanted to tell me where to buy replacements (no I didn't like their stuff, I got my replacements) and we had to get cleaners to get potting soil out of the carpet (they knocked over a plant and ground it into the carpet).  The weirdest part was the booze - I can see them taking a half finished bottle of rhum, but sherry? What burglar drinks sherry?
Unfortunately the alarm system had gone to school with me to get a bath.

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2015, 02:44:59 PM »
I drive a 2009 Toyota Matrix that I bought new.  I usually keep my cars until I drive them into the ground (and this one was a loss-leader, a good deal even though new).

A year after buying it, I backed into a boulder and scraped up the bumper paint.  Then I mistakenly put a full can of paint in the back without ensuring the lid was completely tight, and the friend who was driving the car for me felt terrible when a sudden stop resulted in paint all over the upholstery.

I don't mind either of these things though - the cosmetic stuff is just that...cosmetic... and now I don't sweat it if someone else puts an additional scratch on my bumper in the parking lot, or if I have little dings in the door.  I'm not going to resell it until it's old anyway, so who cares?  Thank god I don't drive a Mercedes or some such!

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Re: The freedom of not having valuable possessions
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2015, 12:31:54 PM »
But my point is we should not accept a society where in order to avoid someone taking what you have, you must avoid buying anything. 

We've both accepted the society in which expensive things are desired by people who steal. Because that's almost all societies. We just differ in how we deal with it. You happen to have expensive things and expensive ways of protecting them. I happen to have cheap things and no need to protect them.

what about a situation where a boy in school must perform bad on tests because to do otherwise would cause bullying by his fellow students.   Is that acceptable to you?

I don't get how bullying resembles my frypan. Unless your point is that by having cheap hobbies, I'm letting the bad guys win?  I see where you're coming from, I guess... you're not going to let others constrain your choices.