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Treb3

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« on: November 09, 2020, 09:34:37 AM »
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JLee

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2020, 09:42:02 AM »
Nobody knows.

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2020, 10:27:40 AM »
Nobody knows.

This ^^^. People have been saying it's going to be different now for as long as I have been paying attention and so far it has not been different. Will it be different in the future perhaps, but nobody knows when or what will be different. I am not making any changes to my investment plans.

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 10:43:30 AM »
What's the alternative?
Cash? Outside of an E fund that seems disastrous
Bonds? With historically low interest rates expected for years to come, and the Fed relaxing it's grip on inflation?
Real Estate? Low rates mean more buying power which means higher prices.

Not only does that make it unappealing to leave equities, but it makes equities a more appealing destination for people fleeing those underperforming asset classes.

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 05:44:00 PM »
Invest in Forever Stamps!

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 10:46:18 PM »
Sloppy work by the author. He doesn’t describe his calculations well, but he wants us to believe a short-term divergence in this one measure is associated with long-term effects over a decade? A claim like that needs stronger evidence than “I ran the numbers and this was spit out”. Of note, the author of the model he is examining concludes “ A regression model that uses a small set of macroeconomic explanatory variables can help account for movements in the CAPE ratio over the past six decades. However, the model’s predicted CAPE ratios for the second and third quarters of 2020 are highly sensitive to the inclusion of a macroeconomic uncertainty index as an explanatory variable. Today’s investors appear to be reacting to macroeconomic uncertainty very differently than in the past. This result highlights the difficulty of judging whether the stock market is overvalued and makes it hard to predict how investors will react to a future episode of elevated uncertainty.”

Predicting future events with past data assumes the relationship between variables is constant over time. If it is not, the models cannot be predictive.

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2020, 07:21:36 PM »
Did anyone else read this OpEd in MarketWatch?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-sp-500s-return-over-the-next-10-years-will-be-nothing-like-the-last-10-2020-11-09?mod=home-page

Do you think it has any validity? Or do you think they are just fearmongering?

I did not read the OpEd.

Gloomy stock-market prognostications might turn out to be right.

Or wrong.

Here is my thinking about the stock market's long-term performance:


1. As the future unfolds I am certain that stock prices will fluctuate.

2. I am certain that over the *long term, up to now, stock  prices trended upward.

3. I am certain that I expect this long-term trend to continue.

4. I am certain that I cannot predict the long-term trend of stock prices.

5. Thus, I am certain  there is no assurance that my expectation @3 will be met.
 


*Bank of America analyzed the total return of the S&P 500 since 1930.

The 90-year total return  is 14,962%.

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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2020, 08:35:14 PM »
It appears the model also deviated from the actual by about 20% between 2012 and 2015, with the model's prediction being higher than the actual. This was a time of fast-rising stock prices.

Between 1996 and 1999 the opposite happened; actual CAPE far outpaced what the model predicted. That was also a time of fast-rising stock prices.


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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2020, 09:11:33 AM »
I keep reading about how a lot of wealth is flowing out of stocks and into bonds as Boomers grow older. Eventually the flow will reverse, I guess. And of course I do not understand the relationship between stock valuations and total market volume.


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Re: S&P in the next decade?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2020, 12:55:16 PM »
I am very excited at the thought of the SP500 underperforming over the next 10 years.

I am still in the accumulation phase and will be in the next 10 years. I like my work and don't plan to RE even after FI. I'll most probably continue working till normal retirement age, if not past it (assuming I can survive, ageism is real in tech).

When in accumulation, I don't like having to pay top dollar to buy future cash flow. I am salivating at the prospect of getting good deals on great stocks when boomers retire and sell theirs.


 

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