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ericrugiero

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Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« on: June 17, 2024, 01:34:14 PM »
I’m going to be needing a new roof on my house. The shingles are getting to be in bad shape. Does it make sense to install solar panels or shingles at the same time as I get my roof done?  Any experience or recommendations with specific products or companies? 

I’m wondering how to determine cost, reliability, payback time, availability subsidies, and whatever else I need to know. I live in SE Ohio if that matters.

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2024, 03:02:19 PM »
A friend of mine owns a small solar installation company, so I tend to pick his brain.  Overall, the sooner you contact a solar company, the better off you'll be.  Having panels installed shortly after the roof is done would be smart.  There are people that learn to install panels themselves, but it didn't sound like you were asking about that.

There are various products used for mounting the rails and I suppose they've changed with time.  When they were first starting out 15 years ago, they would have to screw through directly into each rafter, so someone would be sitting in the attic, watching to make sure the first row hit them all properly.  The mounts they're using now have holes for 5 screws, three of which have to be used, and only one which needs to penetrate the rafter.  This gives a little more room for error.  If the solar company had someone there while the shingles were being removed, they could take some measurements directly for rafter location, making their job a little easier when it comes for installation.

Before contacting a company, look over your yearly electricity usage, and think about whether you plan to use more (buying electric car, convert to electric appliances, etc) or less in the future.  There is a good website to get an idea of how much production you'll get with a particular setup----  https://pvwatts.nrel.gov  You'll enter your zip code, roof orientation, panel wattage, etc.  It will then tell you how much output to expect (both kwh and $), so you can play with the overall system size to figure out how many you might use.  I don't know about Ohio, but for most states, it doesn't make sense to produce more than you use on an annual basis.  Panels are somewhere in the 400+ watt range, so a 6kw system would need 14-15 panels.  There are 500 watt panels, but they tend to simply to be physically larger for the increased output.

The biggest choice you'll need to make is whether to use a string inverter or micro inverters.  The installation company may push one vs the other.  There are plenty of good reasons why people have a preference and it will also depend on things like tree coverage, roof access, or cutoff regulations.

edited to add--- here's a decent site to learn more and price out panels/mounts/inverters/etc-- https://www.altestore.com/store/inverters/micro-inverters-c1249/
I like looking here because it's educational and transparent.  You can find better prices elsewhere, but its great for comparisons.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2024, 03:43:12 PM by uniwelder »

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2024, 04:21:30 PM »
I’m going to be needing a new roof on my house. The shingles are getting to be in bad shape. Does it make sense to install solar panels or shingles at the same time as I get my roof done?  Any experience or recommendations with specific products or companies? 

I’m wondering how to determine cost, reliability, payback time, availability subsidies, and whatever else I need to know. I live in SE Ohio if that matters.

tesla integrates solar and tile:

https://www.tesla.com/solarroof

what I plan to get but don't have as yet.

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2024, 10:30:30 PM »
Consider getting a standing seam metal roof. It will last 30-50 years and you can mount solar panels directly to the seams without roof penetrations.

I'm not a fan of the Tesla solar shingles. They look nice but they are quite a bit more expensive (and getting a quote you can trust is also difficult). I've heard horror stories on timelines. Because they have to be installed at the same time as your new roof you'll be dependent on their availability and timing. I suspect repairs will be more difficult as well.

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2024, 07:22:05 AM »
Not every location gets the same amount of solar energy. SE Ohio isn't going to have a ton of solar energy most of the time:

https://www.nrel.gov/gis/solar-resource-maps.html

That generally means more panels, higher cost and longer payback periods.

You can do a quick check on project sunroof to give you an idea of the viability for your exact address:

https://sunroof.withgoogle.com/

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2024, 07:33:38 AM »
Two things that I've learned from having solar panels on my roof for the past decade:

- Snow and ice comes off of them all at once and in a very dangerous way.  (We got a gigantic dent in our patio table when a couple hundred pounds of frozen stuff released all at once and banged into it the first year we had the panels.)  I have seen that in some newer installations they also put little posts at the edges of the panels to handle this and slow down the release of stuff.  I'd make sure you've got something similar in your install if you're anywhere near where it snows regularly.

- Squirrels and racoons are assholes.  They love to get under the panels and chew on wires, electrocuting themselves and wrecking power production on a regular basis.  Make sure any panel install has some method of preventing/guarding against this.  It has caused us a few thousand dollars worth of repairs and a lot of time.


As far as installing a new roof - I'd vote for standing seam as well.  That's the cleanest and most resilient way to install the panels that I'm aware of.

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2024, 02:07:27 PM »
Tesl Solar Roof is expensive but it also includes.... a new roof.  The 30% tax credit applies to the entire project so just using some crazy made up numbers:

New roof: $20k
Solar: $30k, $20k after tax credit, so $40k total.

Solar Roof: $70k, $49k after tax credit.  So $70k sounded super expensive but it's really only $9k more and will have massively more production than the $20k solar panel setup.  Maybe it would be $60k and $42k after credit??

Point is, the price will be high but closer than it might seem since the ENTIRE project cost is reduced by 30%.

Would be worth getting a quote IMO.

To run numbers, I'd get 5-6 quotes.
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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2024, 04:44:49 PM »
Where exactly does Tesla operate in the US?  Is it just west coast?  I was on their site and it says my Appalachian Virginia area is covered, but I've never heard of anyone getting solar from them and I have a friend that owns a solar installation company that has been in business for 16 years.  Disclaimer-- I have never actually asked him about Tesla solar, so it's possible somebody has them, but they must be in the <1% minority.  OP is located in Ohio, so I wonder if they're in the same boat.

edited to add-- My friend says he has seen 1 house with Tesla solar tiles in our area, so that's something like <0.1% of installs here?  I wonder where the install crew came from to do that job?  Maybe 5 hours away?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2024, 05:23:35 PM by uniwelder »

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Re: Rooftop Solar Recommendations
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2024, 05:11:33 PM »
I'm in the quote process now, as my roof is about to be replaced.  I've been researching it for years, and my dad started a training program for solar installers.

Here's my advice in random order:

1. Stay away from the big national companies and the tiny fly-by-night companies.  Look larger regional installers in your area.  Personal recommendations are always a big plus.

2. Start a discussion with solar installers before you do the roof.  The solar installers might have some better placement options if you move certain vents around while doing your roof.  It's good to have this information when talking to roofers.

3. I don't know Ohio net metering rules.  Research the utility rules in your area.  The economics vary dramatically in different states.  Sometimes it makes sense to only install a small system.  Other states might heavily incentivize storage systems. 

4. Consider future electrification desires as well.  Think about whether a heat-pump water heater, heat pump, or EV are in your future.  Mention this to the solar installers.  It might make sense to do other things like wire an EV charger while they're already messing around with the electrical panel. 

5. I'd personally stay away from the solar roof / solar shingles.  I like the concept, but they're so few and far between that maintenance/support/ isn't at the same place as a rack full of panels. 

 

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