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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #100 on: April 22, 2021, 12:18:32 PM »
Well, I have officially declined the position (just sent an email back to the hiring manager). The interview process was actually very pleasant so I made sure to reiterate that. But gave the generic reason that it's just not the right time for me to leave my current role. We'll see what else is out there I guess....

EDIT: the hiring manager replied back almost immediately and is asking for key/specific reasons or concerns for declining the offer. I know I'm not obligated to tell him but would it make sense to throw out the big one about the salary being way too low? hahaha
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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #101 on: April 22, 2021, 12:22:03 PM »
I think you're making the right decision for all the right reasons - pay and being in a location you like (and family happiness) being the main ones. You have a high salary even by OC standards and,  given your stash amount, you can probably buy a place fairly easily at a low interest rate and won't have to worry about making payments if your job ended. Ditto on renting.  While some state jobs have great pension benefits (mine is 2% at 50 - although I quit about 10 years before that age - but some are 3% at 50) your higher will allow you to stash so much more.

Don't know much about Fed pensions but most jobs are lower pay then the state equivalent. Although there are likely COLA in their pay.

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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #102 on: April 22, 2021, 12:34:35 PM »
I think you're making the right decision for all the right reasons - pay and being in a location you like (and family happiness) being the main ones. You have a high salary even by OC standards and,  given your stash amount, you can probably buy a place fairly easily at a low interest rate and won't have to worry about making payments if your job ended. Ditto on renting.  While some state jobs have great pension benefits (mine is 2% at 50 - although I quit about 10 years before that age - but some are 3% at 50) your higher will allow you to stash so much more.

Don't know much about Fed pensions but most jobs are lower pay then the state equivalent. Although there are likely COLA in their pay.

They were willing to entertain the telework situation which was nice but I still would have concerns in the bigger picture - it's all so new and they are still navigating all of that. It's not guaranteed. So yea, ultimately location would still be a concern. But pay was pretty concerning as well.

In terms of buying a place, we're still navigating that issue - it's really hard to find something that fits our situation/family size that doesn't feel like it's overextending. Drawing the line between overextending and a home just "feeling expensive" is the harder part though. And on top of that, figuring out how *much* of a down payment we want to put in. Right now the market is insane and unless you put in 30-40% and remove 1 or 2 contingencies, you are going to be overlooked.

What would ITS I be 'equivalent' to a the Fed Level BTW? Would that be like Grade 11?

I'm wondering how to reply to the hiring manager's last email asking about reasons for declining and concerns. I've basically drafted out that the telework/relocation situation is still a concern at a higher level and also that the salary amount wouldn't work. I'm not sure that he would come back to try to negotiate higher pay but even if he did I still likely wouldn't take it just because, at best, the pay reduction is still going to be 22-27% (depending on when they lift the temporary pay reduction - I think I saw that it was by June or July...).
At that point, one would have to wonder why I even applied - at the time I applied I was pretty unhappy about the work situation with the awful manager... it just so happened that in the past 1-2 weeks my former manager pulled me back into his fold so I'm a lot more relieved. At a higher level nobody knows what's going to happen but in the immediate/near-term I feel like a big burden has been lifted with the changes in immediate management.

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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #103 on: April 22, 2021, 12:59:29 PM »
Yeah you can't buy anything here unless offering cash, generally above asking price, and no contingencies. Probably a collapse soon like during mid 2000 when prices dropped by 50% and many places were foreclosed on. A good time to buy then (ask me how I know ;-)).

I have no idea what a Fed GS11 job would compare to a state job but going by my own former state position (which would be a law enforcement/criminal investigator/environmental compliance type job in something like the Federal EPA) Calif paid a lot more and had better benefits - including the ability to buy back my military time tax deferred to add several years of service credit to my pension. The Fed's OPM site list pay ranges I believe so you can check that out for an idea.

In any case I think sticking with the private sector is probably the best option for now.

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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #104 on: April 22, 2021, 01:15:12 PM »
Yeah you can't buy anything here unless offering cash, generally above asking price, and no contingencies. Probably a collapse soon like during mid 2000 when prices dropped by 50% and many places were foreclosed on. A good time to buy then (ask me how I know ;-)).

I have no idea what a Fed GS11 job would compare to a state job but going by my own former state position (which would be a law enforcement/criminal investigator/environmental compliance type job in something like the Federal EPA) Calif paid a lot more and had better benefits - including the ability to buy back my military time tax deferred to add several years of service credit to my pension. The Fed's OPM site list pay ranges I believe so you can check that out for an idea.

In any case I think sticking with the private sector is probably the best option for now.

It seems bittersweet and borderline wrong hoping for a crash, but I do hope for it LOL. Every other person you ask says "but this is different from last time. No it really is" - so we'll see I guess :)

Ah so I guess it depends on the department then. I think in the IT arena, the pay generally isn't *as* good but for certain other areas (probably those that are more specialized or dealing with health, public safety, law, etc) it seems a lot better. It has been interesting getting everyone's perspective on this - I see a lot of differences of opinion and I think it really boils down to the dept or group you're in, as is the case with nearly everything else :)

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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #105 on: April 22, 2021, 01:43:03 PM »
Well I sold my house (for cash because everyone here is bought out by investors) and BF is selling his (cash too) and we don't plan to buy here again so it's all good. Renting will be expensive-ish but just need a small place and can live anywhere. Plan to make a perm move out of OC after summer.

The Fed's have a very similar system as Calif in that pay is based on your grade (GS-whatever) and your step within that grade. There is a COL adjustment too for various states and counties. The thing I'm not sure of is how to compare a certain job with the state to a similar job with the feds. You could probably put in IT1/II step C and compare it to IT GS-11 step 10 (Fed's have pay steps from 1 to 10) and see the numbers. Fed seem to be lower when putting in my own info and start out lower too. Maybe a Fed employee can clarify. https://www.federalpay.org/gs/calculator

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Re: State job (California) - pay and benefits
« Reply #106 on: April 22, 2021, 04:41:46 PM »
EDIT: the hiring manager replied back almost immediately and is asking for key/specific reasons or concerns for declining the offer. I know I'm not obligated to tell him but would it make sense to throw out the big one about the salary being way too low? hahaha
No harm in telling him that salary was the biggest reason you declined the offer. Long term it could help management make decisions to raise the salary somehow if they consistently have trouble filling positions.