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Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« on: March 15, 2023, 03:31:05 PM »
Hello all,

I am 40 years old, and work hybrid in NYC and live in NYC and Long Island, NY.

From 2004-2012 I averaged income of around $80,000 per year (some years better some years worse). I dropped down to $59,000 for two years to pay my dues at a public accounting firm, and am now a CPA. My income has gone up from $59,000 to $85,000 to $104,000 to $135,000 (2019) to now making $205,000 plus a decent bonus of approximately $32,500 a year (this is year 2022-2023).

So I haven’t made a ton of money (but also not struggling too much) most of my life, but along the way I paid off $100,000 in low interest student loans and cash-flowed an MBA. I also managed to invest in my 401k along the way and now have approximately $430,000 invested in my Rollover IRA and 401k, mostly in index funds. I have $22,0000 in a Roth also mostly in index funds. I own a home with my partner, and I have outlined my share of monthly expenses below.

I have become a little sloppy with debt in the last couple of years, which is ironic given my higher income. My debt situation is as follows which I would like to get straightened out ASAP.

• $47,000 remaining on a $50,000 401k loan (so previously I had $480k-ish invested in my 401k and took out $50,000 for a home purchase, at an interest rate of 4.5%, same as my mortgage rate).

• $25,000 in credit card debt average approximately 21% a month in interest.

• $10,235 in student loan debt averaging approximately $2.75% in interest.

• I just prepared my taxes and will owe $3,100 by mid-April.

Cash in checking and savings: $10,700

I would appreciate an honest review of my monthly budget. I am a W-2 earner and file single – the income here is not including my partner’s.

Monthly gross income (not including year-end bonus): $17,000 (This is a bit misleading as I get paid 26 times a year, so am paid 3 times a month 2 times a year). I tend to budget based off of 2 paychecks a month instead of the total gross. So that would be gross $15,770 for 2 paychecks which I will base the rest off the deductions listed here off of. I also get 4-6 paychecks each year where SS is not taken out but that is not until October-ish.
Bonus at end of year: I generally fund whatever remains to be funded in my 401k (so $10,000ish and minus taxes am left with about $15,000.)
Savings: $600 to my savings account for emergencies each month.
401k contributions: I have turned this off for now but the last 2-3 years I have maxed this out and given my income and location would like to max out this year.
Taxes: $5,155 (for two paychecks)
Benefits (Dental/Medical/Eye): $468
401k Loan: $477
Gym: $21
Take home is approximately $4,813 per paycheck so $9,626 for two paychecks.
Housing: $4,500 (mortgage/property tax)
Student loans: $35 (federal so these are on hold per the fed govt)
Gas: $70
Utilities: $1000 (oil, electric/gas, water, internet, landscaping)
New Home Set-Up: $1000 (we’ve allocated this each per month so that we can set up our new house, with items such as bedding, dining chairs, window treatments, planting shrubs etc.)
Cell phone: Covered by work
Groceries: Varies but maybe $200
Eating out: Varies but spend too much $500-800
Vacation: Varies
Gifts/ Christmas/ charity: Varies (I’d like to do more to help my retired mom)
Entertainment: 100
Netflix/Amazon/Spotify etc.: 80
Health: 50-100 (generally a couple of co-pays)
Clothes, household, any other needs: This varies but I spend too much on clothing


At this rate it will take me a year to pay off my credit card debt and I hate not contributing to my 401k during a down market.

We also will have some additional set-up expenses for the house including possibly a sectional, and some additional landscaping, as well as the aforementioned window treatments which may cost more than the $1,000 monthly I have allocated. I’d rather not take on any additional debt for the house even if it's zero interest. The house is worth approximately $1,000,000. We have a mortgage of $661,000 remaining (4.5%) and the annual property taxes are $10,500, and home insurance runs about $3,200 a year.

Feeling a bit overwhelmed. I am doing well at work so can expect to get a raise of 6-9% next year and similar bonus.

Any tips on focusing on my debt payoff and ignoring my investments, while simultaneously getting my house in a condition to have people over?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2023, 03:35:54 PM by Daisyedwards800 »

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2023, 01:48:13 PM »
This is a bit rough and the details are all over.  You might also get more traction if you post this under CASE STUDIES using the forms there.  Those people are amazing.  But it is hard to make any suggestions when the numbers are "varies."

But just a few fast things from my perspective:
Priorities.  Do you get a match on 401k?  If so, always put in enough to get the match (unless something catastrophic happens- generally speaking curtains are not a catastrophe).  Matches are free money - or part of your compensation; how ever you want to look at it.  This also trumps over paying low interest debt (4.5%) etc.

But in the grand scheme of things, you need to figure out what it is that you really want.  Do you want to put your $ towards a pile that is going to keep growing and paying you back, or towards accelerating having more nice thingies in your house, or eating out or traveling or etc.  Make that choice for each dollar.  Some things a house needs to have, some things a house should have, and somethings the owners just fret over that wont be missed if you never buy. 
 
There will be mathematically optimum answers, pretty good answers, good answers, alright answers, okay answers, not bad answers, maybe not so much answers, eh answers, incorrect answers, and illegal answers.  Where you choose to fall is up to you.

Cheers,
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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2023, 02:05:13 PM »
This is a bit rough and the details are all over.  You might also get more traction if you post this under CASE STUDIES using the forms there.
Link to template/instructions: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/case-studies/how-to-write-a-'case-study'-topic/

At a quick skim I can see that your total utilities cost is ridiculous.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2023, 02:11:43 PM »
I think you have what MMM would call a "hair on fire" debt emergency.

Not judging you as I've had that myself, and I recently dug that hole again and had to refill it again.

Right now you make a good income and you and your spouse could eradicate that credit card debt in short order if you just stopped spending for a few months. Right now you are below paycheck to paycheck level, which means you are one catastrophe away from being in super big trouble.

My suggestion is that you start tracking spending together: that alone would probably slow your spending down. I just track my on a good old fashioned excel spreadsheet with a few categories in columns. Other people use Mint or YNAB or some other program to track and categorize spending. Because 21% credit card debt is just dumb and it needs to be gone. Have you tracked what the finance charges are that you are paying per month? In your shoes I would not be buying anything except at a thrift shop between now and when those credit cards are paid off. Seriously I'd be putting up paper shades on those windows right now.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2023, 10:23:58 AM »
First, congratulations on an awesome income!  Stop telling yourself you "haven't made a ton of money" -- you have!!  The only reason you don't think so is that you live in the NYC area, where it seems like everyone has more.  And you've also managed to put almost half a million into your 401(k), despite your "haven't made a ton of money."  Those are two fantastic things that put you well ahead of the vast majority of people in the US.

The problem is, as my Grandma used to say, your eyes are bigger than your stomach.  You've bought a house that costs 5x your income, and the mortgage is half your take-home.  No wonder you feel strapped!!  And now you're discovering all of the other costs that go along with a new home, like blinds and furniture and stuff.  Meanwhile, you're so busy running around outfitting the house and earning that big salary that you're hemorrhaging money on stupid CC debt.

So just stop.  STOP.  You cannot have a new house and new furniture and take vacations and take care of your mom and, oh yeah, save for your own retirement.  You have neither the time nor the money nor the mental energy to manage all of that.  How do I know this?  Because your CC debt has spiraled, just as you've started to make enough money to afford a really lovely lifestyle without any debt at all.  That's the sign of someone who's gotten into the overwhelm, when daily busyness leaves you floating through life, solving problems by throwing money at them, without the energy to see the big picture. 

The only way to stop the treadmill is to get off it.  You need priorities, and you need them now.  And if you want to be financially secure, here's what those priorities have to be:

1. Track you're spending.  You have a whole bunch of "varies" that adds up to around $2K/month.  That's your CC payoff right there.  Think of the restaurants/takeout you had in the last week.  You are choosing that over being debt free.  Was that worth it?  Can you even remember what you ate?  What about the last time you hit CVS or Duane Read -- what did you get?  Can you even remember?  You are frittering away an easy CC payment on things that I guarantee are completely meaningless.  And you're letting yourself get away with it, because you're not tracking what you spend.  You are you own enabler.  So stop it.  Write it down, force yourself to look at it, to see the choices you are making every day that are getting in your own way.*

2.  Prioritize that CC payoff, ASAP.  Everything that you buy now costs you 20% more than the listed price, because you have that stupid fucking CC debt hanging over your head.  Try tacking that on to the price of everything you buy and ask yourself if it's really worth it.  And, sorry, but if you're going to buy a $1M house, that means you can't afford to go on vacation for a while -- and certainly not while you're still paying off past vacations.  Past You decided to leave Current You holding the bag for fun things Past You bought.  So Current You has to suck it up for a while and pay for that past fun, so that Future You isn't left holding a similar bag 5 years from now.  And when I say prioritize the CC debt, I'm taking months, not years. 

3.  Accept that your house doesn't need to be perfect all at once.  Again, you have CC debt that is bleeding you dry.  Instead of paying it off, you chose to take on a big new mortgage that eats up half your income.  Having made those choices, you simply cannot afford a whole bunch of new furniture and nice blinds.  Home Depot has some temporary paper blinds that you can use until you get your debt paid off.  Again, you can't be buying new furniture while you're paying off your old furniture.

4.  As soon as you have that CC debt paid off, max that 401(k).  At your income level, and with your state/city taxes, that tax break is tremendously valuable.  Your ultimate goal here is to flip the story:  instead of Current You paying for Past You's wants, Current You needs to be paying for Future You's needs.  Every choice you make to spend today on something you don't actually need is thumbing your nose at Future You.  You need to give Future You a seat at the table.  As is, you've been running around spending money on Stuff -- a/k/a consumption to make Current You happy -- and money got tight because you weren't paying attention to it (see 1 above), and so turning off the 401(k) was an easy source of cash that you could access without thinking about it too much.  But by taking that kind of unthinking action, you actively choose to prioritize All The Things You Want now over Things You Need in the future. 

Once you have the CC debt paid off and your 401(k) maxed, you can think about buying that pretty new couch.  The good news, as Dave Ramsey says, is that at least you have a really big shovel.


*Rush's "Free Will" springs to mind here: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." 

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2023, 12:06:47 PM »
previous comments have done a great job already. However, I would go a bit further and just recommend following Dave Ramsey's baby steps 1-4. Buy the book, go all in. Once you are done with those, come back and ask for advice. You would benefit tremendously from having a very SIMPLE strategy to follow. It sounds like you have good intentions with money but you can't seem to make the right decisions. The good news is you have a fabulous income to clean up the mess so get to work.

Don't complicate this, just keep things simple and you can't get any more simple than the Ramsey baby steps. Good luck.


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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2023, 03:05:40 AM »
At this income level you should not have cc debt. Can you do a 3 months long spending freeze? Don't buy anything but bare necessities until the cc is paid off. 3 months of austerity is not the end of the world, but it is enough to reset out of control spending habits.

i know it is exciting to be in a new house etc, etc, but if it's just the 2 of you, it's enough to furnish 2 rooms the way you want it and wait with the rest until you xan afford it. you are probably working all the time, so there is no point in getting into debt over a sectional or fancy curtains you barely use. Think of them as luxuries you will eventually get, not must haves right now.

Eating out- nix that. Cook at home. Experiment with different recipes. One of my projects this year is trying out 52 new recipes, and finally I got my cooking mojo back. Highly recommended.  You can try to recreate your favorite restaurant meals. Try costing it for the extra motivation.

Tracking your spending is always a good idea if you are disciplined,  but you can also just give yourself a bare bones budget with a defined amount you can spend and once the $ is gone it is gone. I am in the later camp right now, we are doing a 3 months 'bare bones spending fast' or whatever you call it and it is very motivating.

If you decide to do a similar spending freeze, I also suggest combining it with a few other, non money related projects, to keep your mind off the financial mess. Whatever makes you happy and keeps you out of shops and restaurants.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2023, 10:30:16 AM »
Firstly, a little sunshine up your backside. You are starting with a good bit of self-awareness, which frankly puts you miles ahead of most. You also have the beginnings of an emergency fund, you have a good start on retirement savings, and your income is relatively pleasing.

What you need is some clear-eyed prioritization, and recognize the order of operations you need. Then the sticky part - DOING it.

The biggest red flags I see are that you have simultaneously racked up a whopping credit card debt AND starved your retirement down to $0. That's prima facie evidence of a lack of fiscal discipline with your discretionary spending. So, with no further ado, I'll gently and kindly flog you along those lines.

You gotta knock off spending thousands of dollars per annum eating out on borrowed money. You gotta get comfortable in your wardrobe for a while. I notice rather pointedly that you tap-dance around giving any kind of number for this, when you know very well what your other numbers are. That smacks of embarrassment at the number and a deliberate redaction. That should be its own indication. <ahem>

Your home is your biggest nut. When you add up the payment, the insurance, property taxes, maintenance, and upgrades you're putting into it - the numbers are simply out of whack for your income level. You don't include your partner's part in this, so it's hard to gauge what your share of it is, but that thing is THE biggest millstone you have around your cashflow neck. I know you'd love to turn that $1M home into your cozy showplace, but there is no egg timer running on that. Your budget itemizes fancying up the yard, buying new furniture and so forth, but those are a bit cart-before-the-horse. I promise that the sumptuous new couch is not gonna bring the comfort you think it will when you're financially drowning and stressed out. You won't even notice if you're sitting on a milk crate at that point. While you're in recovery mode you have got to get a handle on that snazz-it-up money until you actually HAVE the money.

If you don't curtail your spending, you can simply skip every other piece of advice anyone has given you in this thread. You will continue to spend yourself into an ever-larger hole, regardless of your income.

With that loving bit of flagellation out of the way, I'll offer thoughts on your next steps.

I'm going to put a bit of a different priority on your 401k than most others would. Your ability to partake of that advantaged bucket DOES have an egg timer on it. Once the year is gone, you can never go back and backfill it, and those dollars won't be working for you. Because of the tax advantage and the income those dollars would bring (especially in such a bargain market), I estimate they'll exceed the CC interest for the extra time it'll take you to kill off the CC after you top out your 401k, and get those matching dollars (if any).

Kill your credit cards dead, and don't for love nor money let them carry a balance ever again.

The very next thing I would do is make that savings fund more than one month's worth of money. It's great that you actually have savings, but it'll run out before you can blink if you have an employment hiccup anywhere, or any major emergency. If something calamitous happens, you need to focus on that instead of immediately worrying that you're about to lose the $350k in your home to foreclosure.

In closing, your position is totally salvageable. Your income and debts say that you absolutely can get on top of it all, and in a pretty short amount of time, but you aren't gonna do it with the spending that you're doing now. Your wants are getting unduly prioritized. Knock that $#!+ off.

Regardless of whose advice you take - take SOMETHING and act upon it. You will never finish a journey that you don't start.

We're all rooting for you.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2023, 12:42:32 PM »
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• $47,000 remaining on a $50,000 401k loan (so previously I had $480k-ish invested in my 401k and took out $50,000 for a home purchase, at an interest rate of 4.5%, same as my mortgage rate).

• $25,000 in credit card debt average approximately 21% a month in interest.

• $10,235 in student loan debt averaging approximately $2.75% in interest.

• I just prepared my taxes and will owe $3,100 by mid-April.

Cash in checking and savings: $10,700

You've already gotten a lot of face punches on this but they are well deserved.  You are spending 68% of your monthly take home on housing related spending.  That's objectively untenable, particularly with your other spending, significant debt, and no current retirement saving.  Those two extra paychecks are only giving you an average extra $800 per month.  Is there a reason why your spouse isn't contributing to these housing costs?

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Any tips on focusing on my debt payoff and ignoring my investments, while simultaneously getting my house in a condition to have people over?

You bought a million dollar house that isn't in a condition to have visitors??  I just had people over last weekend, and surprisingly, they happily survived my second hand furniture, a couple of rooms in need of remodeling, and lack of "landscaping" (whatever that means).


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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2023, 02:25:15 PM »
Stop buying furniture, landscaping, window treatments, decor, or anything unnecessary for the house. Stop buying clothes. When your credit card debt is paid off, then you can worry about a new sofa and having attractive shrubbery.

I think you should sit down, write out your expenses, and clearly separate needs vs. wants. It was interesting, for instance, that you lumped in “landscaping” with “utilities.” Do you fully understand how luxurious your current spending level is?

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2023, 03:27:07 PM »
I went back through your posts, as your user name stood out from the StitchFix/shopping addiction from way back. It sounds like you've pivoted much of your spending from clothing to your house, furnishings, landscapers, etc. You have a higher income to better mask the current over spending.

I mean this is a kind/useful way, but if you don't address the core issue(s) that lead to your over spending, you're going to continue to struggle. Maybe not on clothes, or your house, but you are spending beyond your means. Does buying things feel better than feeling in control of your spending? Do you feel wasteful? Are you getting enough sleep & exercise? Are you depressed?

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2023, 06:16:52 PM »
^All good questions.

I also want to put this out there for you:

During the big last financial downturn, I ended up buying a much larger house than I thought I would ever be able to afford in 2011. It had beautiful hardwood floors and 2 living rooms. The bigger living room was the first room you entered from the front door, and it had a 2 story vaulted ceiling and big windows. I had no furniture for it. Nada. Our sofa & loveseat were set up in the other living room (in the back of the house and open to the kitchen.)

So you know what I did? We owned one of those cheap portable badminton nets that I had bought for a picnic a couple of years ago, and I set that up in there.  It turns out the room was pretty much the size and shape of a regulation badminton court (it was slightly larger, but close enough). The 2 story ceiling meant the only real upward obstacle to play was the ceiling fan. I also hung a nerf basketball hoop with a net over the coat closet door. Voila!

That room stayed empty other than the net and hoop while we played badminton and horse in there for a couple of years. If the birdie hit the fan it was a replay, and all floor area was in bounds. There was also some occasional roller blading in there, but that was frowned upon by me.

Yes, I had friends visit. We entertained a lot, actually, so much that I bought a melted chocolate fondue pot for fruit dipping. Everyone thought my badminton court was hilarious.

We didn't buy any furniture for that room until my younger son was consistently beating me at badminton.

The best part of the story is that my son ended up with a full ride athletic scholarship for college. Not in badminton, but I'm sure it didn't hurt.

I miss that house.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2023, 06:54:50 PM »
You either need Dave Ramsey baby steps or the Passionate Penny Pincher Money Planner. As a CPA, clearly you understand that your dollars and cents aren’t making sense. Is your partner’s income equivalent to yours? Or is there a huge income disparity? Are they in debt? If they are a doctor or such making double your income, they had no business getting you into the current house and expecting you to pay 1/2.

Embrace the suck for a few months, or have your partner pick up more of the bills until you can get the 21% done. Meanwhile, no dining out, no fancy foods, no work lunches (invent crazy allergies and an elimination diet or something to avoid them), no travel, and no fluffy house stuff.

I have a spreadsheet I developed based off the PPP Money Planner system-I am now tracking my daily spending and it’s eye opening how much gets frittered away on “stuff” and convenience. I suggest an open and honest family budget meeting with your partner, because the house is eating you alive.

Dave Ramsey discusses percentage ranges that are a target. Yours are completely out of whack and I think you also haven’t got a true grasp of future upkeep/expenses of a home.

One of the best lessons my husband and I got was renting rooms from a couple who was house poor with all the nice furnishings. They went bankrupt while we lived there and almost everything got carted out because they had done RTO. We try not to buy a house that is more than 2X our income. We have our own spending issues in midlife crisis, but that’s a story for another day.

Can you rent out some rooms to reduce housing costs? I would hate you to go bankrupt, and I’m sure you are not thinking about roommates, but you need to lower your housing costs!

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2023, 09:57:10 PM »
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You need to post this in Case Studies with appropriate details for the best responses.  I'll bite, though. 

First off, great work on the savings thus far.  I second @Laura33 on this.  (How does she always beat me to posting?!?) 

Now for the face punches:
1.  Your mortgage is almost 50% of your take-home pay.  Plus your other expenses for housing (maintenance, etc.) on top of that.  You don't have a lot of room to work with because of it - though whether to change that is a longer-term issue.  I'll assume you keep the house for now and work with what you can.  Short-term, keep this.  Long term, this may be beyond any reasonable limit - you've got something north of 60% 78%+(!!!!!) of your take-home pay on housing, and you're still in the honeymoon phase, before stuff breaks.  ($1,000 / month for utilities and lanscaping is mostly landscaping, I assume, and in either event, counts as well - before even adding the extra $1,000+/month for fix-up, plus, I assume, the $700/mo in rent on top of that.)  This is what's really sinking you, and I'm sure that you see that. 

You feel poor because you are choosing to spend yourself into poverty JUST on housing.  You can't sustain 80+% of your income being spent on housing unless you made way more than you do (and even then it would be foolish).  That hurts even over the short term - your credit card debt is going to skyrocket unless you stop all of the discretionary parts immediately. 

2.  Your spending figures are off, as you seem to acknowledge.  E.g., you're spending well over $200/mo on things I call "groceries/etc." - i.e., those small amazon purchases, household items, and whatnot.  You'll need to track it to know, but that grocery/household amount seems way low. 

3.  This is key: Dave Ramsey it.  Cut up the credit card.  Ask yourself for EACH AND EVERY PURCHASE: would I buy this at 21+% interest per year, compounded?  If not, skip it.  Put it off.  Wait.  Stretch out what you have.  Don't spend a dime more than necessary until that high-rate debt hole is stopped, ASAP.  The posters are right: this is fixable within months, you just have to want to do it. 

4.  You're really going to need those funds you're spending on new house stuff later on when you need to fix basic things, like the plumbing, and you're in too much debt.  Save it now.  Stop spending, get caught up, and THEN go forward once you're not risking the roof over your head (or retirement safety) for a new couch/patio furniture/whatever.  (FWIW, we've furnished a house worth close-ish to a million dollars with Craigslist and thrifted stuff for a fraction of the cost.  And people love it.  All it takes is a little patience and time...and that time saves you a ton of money.) 

5.  You want quick, actionable items, so here:
  • Slice all home prep spending to $0.  You're paying 21% interest on it.  Wait until the CC is paid, and even then, do it slowly.
  • Pro tip, related to the last point: you'll spend WAY less if you do all of that spending slowly and patiently.  Craigslist the furniture.  Find out who does what cheaply.  Wait and find cheaper solutions.  (Ask the neighbors!)
     Only buy what you have to later on.  You'll be surprised how much simply waiting when you can will slow your spending on a new home.
  • Quit. Eating. Out.  Eat out = ramen at home.  Find other social activities to engage with people.  Find cheap/quick snacks as meal substitutes.  E.g., I put a thing of trail mix in my desk at work so that I am not tempted to eat out when I'm busy, stressed, and don't have much time.  Instead, I have a couple of handfuls of nuts and go on about my day, while getting more done and being less financially stressed.  That one habit has saved me hundreds of dollars.
  • Cut your $1000/month utilities.  You literally cannot afford that.  Eliminate landscaping as much as you can: mow for yourself and/or trim hedges.  Maybe not forever, but for this year.  That'll get you back out of the hole faster, and a lot of that spending is pure discretionary spending.  I maintain two homes right now on a good bit of land - yes, it's a bit of work, but it's SO MUCH CHEAPER to DIY some of these things.  Plus it can be a free workout.
  • Slice Netflix, Amazon, Spotify, and Entertainment to $0.  Pay the CC first.  Then you can decide what to to add back - and you'll know how much you missed X, Y, or Z (or didn't).  Besides, Netflix isn't as great these days anyway.  There's no point in spending 21% interest on these things.
  • Don't buy clothes.  At all.  $0 spending until the CC is paid.  Do thrift stores after that for a while.  Ease back in.
  • Leave the floors, the lamps, and all of that stuff until you can actually afford it.  Adjust first.  Life will move on, and you will be OK - and not as poor.  We lived in a place with old floors and exposed cement in 1/4 of the living room for 5 years at one point as we spread out those new-homeowner costs (and partly because replacement of it all made more sense than repair, for cost reasons alone, after investigating that route), but we never went into credit card debt or had the associated marital stress over it.  And the floors eventually got fixed; no relationships were in any way impacted by having a bad flooring spot that wasn't yet repaired.
  • On having people over: people are fine.  They'll adjust.  You can't control their expectations/impressions anyway.  You've got to be you, and you can't afford to keep up with that, so let it go.  Either have people over less, if it really bothers you, until you're caught up and have saved up enough to buy some of those things.  Or have them over without the expectation that you have to have X, Y, or Z furnishing.  (We routinely have people over to our modest home and it's never an issue, even in a HCOL city, and even back when we had little to no worthwhile furnishings.  You get there over time.)
  • No vacations while you don't have the cash and are accruing 21% interest.  Instead, pay the CC and then convert part of that to your future vacation fund - so that you have something to look forward to.  Every dollar you pay is a dollar closer to that trip to Tahiti (and with 21% compounding!)

You can have some of what you want, but not all of what you want.  You can either keep going on the house - and into much deeper debt - or pull up now before you crash it.  (You may not go bankrupt...but you may drain out/bankrupt your 401(k), or your home equity.)  In short, you've got to cut/stop some things that you are really committed to in order to fix this, or even slow it down. 

I think if you do all of those things for the short term, you might just knock out the CC debt soon-ish.  Either way, you won't even know how big the hole is, really, until you do those things and start tracking spending closely.  It's quicker/easier just to cut stuff, if you don't like the tedium of spreadsheets/tracking (which I do myself, but which I also HATE doing because it's tedious - so I get that).  The short of it is that you need quick, immediate cuts.  This is unsustainable. 

Another tip: pay straight out of your bank account.  No more CCs.  That way you see/feel the burn IMMEDIATELY and can't deny the problem for another month or two.  Your #1 challenge here is that you keep putting off the hard decisions.  It's easy to do that when stressed, too.  But doing that just makes the decisions even worse when the crisis is so bad that you can no longer ignore it, and you're far into arrears. 

Or, as one wag put it (and DW likes to remind me sometimes): the first rule of holes is to STOP DIGGING. 

You've done what many Americans have done - and many of us here have either done or considered, too - which is taking on WAY TOO MUCH house for your income.  And all of the associated expenses.  Yay America. 

You took on ANOTHER huge problem with buying a house that expensive, which is this: You likely NOW live in a neighborhood surrounded by other million-dollar homes, with other similar spending, which is a lifestyle and spending level way above your means.  (E.g. the $1,000/month on landscaping and whatnot.)  You've set your partner's expectations, too, for a spending level and lifestyle that aren't possible on your income.  That's its own problem, because you may both think that you're able to do/have things that you're now realizing that you can't afford. 

And hey...ask me how I know.  I cracked up while hearing the neighbors here gab about who had which new gadget...and then all going out and buying themselves a similar mower/car/gun/leaf-blower/you-name-it in short order.  It's shocking, kind of amusing...and how humans are wired.  It takes a lot of social wherewithal to drive the most boring car on the street as the Mercedes/Teslas/Range Rovers/Porsches drive by, use the most boring tools, and thrift/DIY our stuff while watching the landscapers drive by every morning, or wake up to see that the neighbor's full landscaping for the month is already done by that huge crew by 8.30am (as was true yesterday), while I'm just wandering off to work.  (No joke: one of my closest neighbors has a separate garage just for his Porsches, which I didn't know until living here a while.)  So again...ask me how I know. 

But that's how it is - and the only way to make it financially on less income than everyone else here.  You're either going to have to adjust, in short order, or you're going to drown financially.  You CANNOT keep up those expenses - period.  Short term or long term.  You can only keep doing this if you're willing to burn up all of your retirement funds until you get your spending under control. 

The sooner you accept that, the better off you will be, and the less long-term damage you're going to do.  It also probably means some tough convos with your partner about what you can have and what you trade off.  Life is all about tradeoffs. 

My other, more positive advice is this: increase your income however you can.  Maybe a job change?  Do this if you don't like stress on the housing side of the equation.  That can make up some difference and maybe that route is less painful or more open for you.  (I don't know your career specifics.)  But that's at least another avenue to explore, if you don't like the suggestions above. 

You can either lower expenses or increase income - or both.  But the one thing you cannot afford to do is to keep on the way you're going. 

Again, it's all a series of trade-offs, so figure out what's best for you and move on.  Just don't stay where you're at - you've got to address this head-on and ASAP. 
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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2023, 06:02:07 AM »
If I am reading your other post about this house correctly - you have to commute an hour and a half into the city on Monday, where you stay until Wednesday, and then work from home Th/Fri and spend the weekend?  You are spending an awful lot of time and money to keep a house that it does not appear that you can afford and don't live in full time.

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Re: Review of budget - and review of debt payoff plan
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2023, 08:04:56 AM »
There's a lot of good advice here.  The only thing I would add is that when I was in a similar situation once, here is how I got out of credit card debt.

STEP 1:  Make it a priority and mean it.  This means being willing to make sacrifices if necessary and not caring what "people" think.  It's you life, not theirs.  Let them drown financially if they want to.

STEP 2:  Throw as much of your takehome pay to the CC as possible every month.

STEP 3:  Open a new credit card with a 0% balance transfer offer and do the transfer.  Note when the 0% period ends.  That is your deadline to pay this card off 100%.  Do not charge ANYTHING on this card ever until after it is completely paid off for at least one billing cycle.  If you do this right, it will save you the 21% interest you're currently paying.)

STEP 4:  If you have multiple CCs, prioritize paying off the highest interest rate one first.

STEP 5:  If you use your non-STEP 3 cards for anything, pay them off completely every month.  Make this a habit.  Make it an unbreakable promise to yourself for the rest of your life.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!