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Kitsunegari

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Money left in the homecountry
« on: January 21, 2016, 11:18:22 AM »
Hello forum, I would like your advice.
I moved to Canada a few years ago, and as I already had a job waiting for me and I expected to stay in Canada about a year, I left my money back in Italy.
Then my plans changed and now I have deep roots here in Canada, but I could manage with the money I was earning here so I never brought here my money (not much, maybe 10k Euros)
I don't really know what to do with that money. It's tucked away in a saving account where it earns close to nothing, but I don't know if I should bring it here (the change seems convenient now) or leave it there for using it during the holidays and in case we'll ever be back in Europe, so we don't need to change our CADs.
The thing is, I don't know if we will go back to live in Europe, or if our future children will.
Shall I find a good investment there and leave it earning undisturbed for an hypothetical future?
Or shall I bring it here now that the exchange is favourable?
Or shall I but gold and bring it here, or bury it in my parent's garden?

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Re: Money left in the homecountry
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 11:32:04 AM »
Right now think of that money is a bunch of idle employees eating donuts and goofing off. As long they sit in a savings account with a very low yield they are doing less than nothing for you - every year they become less powerful because of inflation. 
Therefore: Yes, put them to work!

Whether you should invest them back home or here in Canada is a bit less straightforward.  Since you live in Canada and plan to stay here, I'd favor converting that money into $CAD and immediately investing it (or using it to pay down any high interest debt).  If you periodically travel to Europe you could invest the money there and use that money whenever you are overseas.
You will always loose some money whenever you convert funds (typically called the 'spread' over the exchange rate, generally it's 1-2% per transaction) so it makes no sense to convert money back and forth several times.  That's why investing it over there and leaving it in Euros might make sense *if* you are relatively confident that you will make periodic trips there which might total up to 10k or more over the next several years.

One final thing to consider is what fees and tax-advantaged status you can get for that money investing in Canada vs in Europe.  If you have room in your RRSP or TFSA, for example, it's almost a no-brainer to use that money to fund those accounts.


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Re: Money left in the homecountry
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 12:21:22 PM »
Dont leave it there.

I am in the same situation as you. I am from Portugal and I have been in the US.

By leaving the Euros there you just lost 20-30% purchasing power WHERE you live in the past year because of the poor Euro performance.

Second, you shouldnt worry about having money there so you can save when you go to italy and not having to exchanged CAD to EUR.

Use your credit cards. Lots of credit cards have free international transactions and the exchange rate that both VISA and MASTERCARD give out is very very close to the spot rate so dont even bother exchanging money at a bank or even worse at a exchange house (theyll suck you with fees or spreads).

Also, if you transfer money from Italy to Canada use a service like https://transferwise.com/u/0670f

They only charge you like 5 dollars or so and they rate is pretty much the SPOT rate! which is incredible.

I have been using them countless times and have saved 1000 USD just in fees by using them instead of doing a wire transfer or even Paypal (paypal charges you 1% but then their exchange rate is miserable as well eating more money from you).

If you use my referral link https://transferwise.com/u/0670f you'll get the first few transactions for free.

And best of all, its fast! I just received a transfer from europe and it took 1 business day pretty much to receive it

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Re: Money left in the homecountry
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 12:35:33 PM »
MrSal - thanks for the link to transferwise.  I might use that the next time I need to exchange money (likely later this month).


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Re: Money left in the homecountry
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 12:53:29 PM »
Use your credit cards. Lots of credit cards have free international transactions and the exchange rate that both VISA and MASTERCARD give out is very very close to the spot rate so dont even bother exchanging money at a bank or even worse at a exchange house (theyll suck you with fees or spreads).

I don't know where you live, but here in Canada most (if not all) credit cards charge a super big spread + 3% fees for foreign currency transactions. Worst, if you do a transaction CAD to EUR, they will first convert it to USD, then convert it to EUR. So you pay the very big spread twice!

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Re: Money left in the homecountry
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2016, 07:48:21 AM »
I'm in a similar situation, except my old accounts are in the US. I have checking, savings and IRA accounts in the states. I have, however, left them there and plan on leaving them there, since, like you said, it can be helpful when traveling. Also, when I travel, I always check flights from my home Canadian computer, as well as ask my parents to check flights with their US IP adress - you'd be surprised at how prices can change depending on who is looking in what country. Might give that a try next time you fly to Europe - if you buy through a European IP adress, it could be helpful to pay with a European account.

All this being said, do you have a European credit card for when you travel? Regardless of whether you are losing purchasing power with where the Euro is at the moment, I still think that in the long run, it's better to leave it there and use it when you travel to Europe, then to transfer it now and lose a large chunk in the transfer. Can you at least invest part of it do keep increasing its worth?

Another note, remember that if you do transfer it, depending on its status in Italy (if it is an investment account for example), you may have to pay taxes when you bring it over. My father (who is from Québec), had an old account opened when he was in undergrad. The account is now worth substantially more simply from 40 years of accumulated interest and dividends. He never declared this to the US government simply because he has never used it since he left in the 1970s. If he transfers it back to the US, he would have 40 years of taxes to pay. So it will stay here because it would be too much of a hassle to bring it. My parents plan on using the money to buy a condo now that they are retired and would like to have a second home in the homecountry. Might be something to think about for you as well? Or if your kids decide to go to Uni in Europe for example?
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