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Daisyedwards800

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Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« on: September 11, 2020, 05:44:45 PM »
The salary is not bad - it's sort of average for my level right now but obviously the potential to make more is going to be capped unless I get promoted into a higher level.  The offer is for GS-13.

Curious if anyone here works in a similar role and how it impacts their timeline to retirement.  I believe you can early retire from the federal government but have to wait to collect the portion of the pension you are entitled to?

I am 38/F and working on having kids.  I also have another offer at a similar salary in private industry.  I'm an accountant. I want to retire in max 10 years.

Stats:
401k/Roth:  $380,000
Savings $10k

I usually earn between $120k-140k a year.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2020, 06:24:05 PM by Daisyedwards800 »

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2020, 09:10:35 PM »
Does this job offer require a move?  If so, is it to a place you want to live? 

Govt benefits are hard to beat. 

Retiring early from the govt with pension is not easy but I believe others here have done it.  I can retire at 50 myself. 

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »
I don't think the govt pension is that good a deal now that you have to fund it yourself.
Would you get health benefits eventually if you retired at 48?  My gut says no (I worked federal for 3 years).
Retiring early with pension usually still requires 20 years at 50 or 25 years at later age, iirc. Thats if your agency offers an early out.  Some agencies do this more than others.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2020, 06:53:48 AM »
I'm a GS13 and have been in the gov't for 12 years.  I only contribute the 0.8% to pension since I started before 2013, so you would contribute 4.1% I believe which is a hefty amount, especially if you are only going to be working for another 10 years.  You would get to keep your pension, but it would be reduced and you wouldn't be able to collect until 62, so you get something, but you won't be able to carry your medical into retirement if you don't retire at Minimum Retirement Age (MRA).  The job security is great which is really ideal, especially during COVID when I don't have to worry about my job like others in the private sector do.  So that is a great benefit, however if you do want to move up it can be very challenging to get beyond your grade unless you are really working hard or have a good management path in place.  I have been a top performer every single year but find that making a GS14 would be extremely challenging in my position due to our structure.  They basically only make "management" 14's, no SME's in their particular field.  It's a good stable job and you'll know what  you'll make each  year, so if you want something steady for 10 years then that's great, but if you want to make more money and move up the next 10 years then I don't think the gov't is the place for you.  If you're an accountant I imagine you have a lot of different options.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2020, 09:22:57 AM »
It's a good stable job and you'll know what  you'll make each  year, so if you want something steady for 10 years then that's great, but if you want to make more money and move up the next 10 years then I don't think the gov't is the place for you.

@Beach_Stache nailed it. You're already making $120-$140k? Depending on your federal locality pay add-on, that's already high GS13, GS14, maybe even low GS15 money.

If you want good long-term benefits, job security, feel a sense of public service mission, and have an interest in seeing "behind the curtain" of how America works, a government job is an excellent and at times fascinating thing to have. If you are already eyeing the exit door and want to stash as much money as possible in the next decade before moving on to retirement/other personal projects, the IRS may not be a great fit.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2020, 10:10:30 AM »
Daisy is unemployed right now iirc.  Per another thread she should negotiat her prior experience to count to get a high gs-13 with generous leave.  Probably a reliable 40 hrs week compared to other jobs.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2020, 11:11:36 AM »
The pension will be useless to you. The employee contribution for new employees is actually 4.4% and in return you get 1% of the average of highest 3-year salary times your years of service, starting at age 62. If you work until the minimum retirement age of 57, you can take a reduced pension and have health care benefits, but if you leave in ten years, you have to wait until 62 to start the annuity and don’t get health care. Once you’re on the pension, you get COLAs, but the value of your annuity will be eaten by inflation between when you leave at your planned max age 48 and when you can take the pension at 62. But you can roll your pension contributions into your TSP (like 401k) when you leave instead of deferring your annuity, to get that 4.4% back. I plan on doing this. You’ll be eligible for a 5% TSP contribution match that you get to keep after 3 years? of service.

The health care benefits aren’t that great, because while comprehensive, they are expensive...at least where I’m at and compared to my husbands benefits from a small (80 ish? employee) employer. YMMV. You can check out health care options in advance by opm.gov and using the plan comparison tool.

If your job is eligible for GS-14, it’s easy to move up to the next grade and steps. (I’m an attorney and we start at GS-11, with full grade potential of GS-14 for the non-supervisory position.) But if GS-13 is the highest for the position and you have to get a supervisory role to move up, this can be much harder just due to limited supervisory positions available. Performance bonuses are very small in gov. As a GS-14 and a high performer (according to the bosses), my highest award was $3500 pre-tax. That was a year where we had an unusually high award budget and I know that’s a high bonus compared to others in my agency. Maybe the IRS has a bigger award budget as a large agency, but I doubt it’s comparable to certain private sector professional bonus systems.

I wouldn’t bank on the IRS being a 40 hour a week job during tax season, and would ask to speak with a current employee to get a better sense of that. My understanding is the IRS has a lot of overtime and lack of flexibility during tax season. Except I’m not sure you’re not eligible for overtime pay as an accountant and you might only get credit hours (vacation hours, but you can only roll over 24 hrs from any pay period so not helpful if you’re slammed for a couple months). Maybe you can get comp time which can be used as vacation or cashed out at end of year. Note that IRS employees were called back during the six week gov shutdown, which means they had to work unpaid for several weeks until the shutdown was over. Not a huge deal for those of us with savings, but most people don’t like the idea of working and not getting paid regardless, so something to consider.


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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 07:50:14 AM »
Gov't job is secure. Accountant is not a novel job. This means that you can take the job at the IRS, finish the probationary period, and then find another agency to jump to that gives you the next grade (in this case GS-14)... BTW, you can be a GS-14/15 and NOT have a supervisory role. It's rare, but it does happen.

Just my .02

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 10:18:39 AM »
How much time off does the private sector position offer?  One advantage of government employment:  more leave than average.  You'll start with 13 days of paid annual leave, plus 13 days of paid sick leave.  If you're thinking of having kids, the sick leave adds up with no limit.  (I currently have over 6 months of sick leave on the books.)  That could be useful for maternity leave.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2020, 10:29:59 AM »
How much time off does the private sector position offer?  One advantage of government employment:  more leave than average.  You'll start with 13 days of paid annual leave, plus 13 days of paid sick leave.  If you're thinking of having kids, the sick leave adds up with no limit.  (I currently have over 6 months of sick leave on the books.)  That could be useful for maternity leave.

My experience with the federal government was pretty bad. Job was pretty much non-sense. Very few people had much motivation. I left to find more honest work as soon as I could. It was basically an entitlement system to lots of people. They showed up and got paid, but that was about it.

Also the experience does not transfer. At least in my field. They do everything so differently, so poorly, and in such old and outdated ways that anything you learn is rather pointless. Like being an expert on using a buggy whip.


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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 01:19:39 PM »
If you are unemployed then take the job while you look for something else.  If you leave before retrement age, you can wait for a pension or cash out your contributions.  And you'll have whatever's in your TSP.  And if you plan on having kids, it's perfect.  You can count on 40 hr weeks.  They can't make you work overtime unless you want to and they give you the leave or pay you.  Your schedule may be way more flexible than private industry.  And they just started giving 12 weeks paid parental leave as of Oct 1, 2020.  You will also find it way easier to get into another agency if you are already in gov't.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 08:13:58 PM »
But you can roll your pension contributions into your TSP (like 401k) when you leave instead of deferring your annuity, to get that 4.4% back. I plan on doing this. You’ll be eligible for a 5% TSP contribution match that you get to keep after 3 years? of service.

Interesting, I didn't know this. I've been a fed for a couple of years and planned to just take my FERS contributions in cash whenever I leave (definitely not planning on making this a 20+ year career). I've got about $3,500 in there already which I just considered forced savings. It would be nice to just roll that into my TSP.

How is that treated tax-wise? I assume the contributions are pre-tax so if you took the balance as just cash I assume it would be counted as income and therefore taxable.


How much time off does the private sector position offer?  One advantage of government employment:  more leave than average.  You'll start with 13 days of paid annual leave, plus 13 days of paid sick leave.  If you're thinking of having kids, the sick leave adds up with no limit.  (I currently have over 6 months of sick leave on the books.)  That could be useful for maternity leave.

My experience with the federal government was pretty bad. Job was pretty much non-sense. Very few people had much motivation. I left to find more honest work as soon as I could. It was basically an entitlement system to lots of people. They showed up and got paid, but that was about it.

Also the experience does not transfer. At least in my field. They do everything so differently, so poorly, and in such old and outdated ways that anything you learn is rather pointless. Like being an expert on using a buggy whip.

I don't plan on staying for more than a few years. I've got an excellent boss who wants to fix things and do good work but we're trying to fix problems that are decades in the making. Also most of the people I supervise are contractors so I cant really tell them what to do. If they don't do the work the worst we can do is give them a bad annual review but ultimately nothing will really happen. It's pretty frustrating compared to my position in the National Guard where I tell people to do something and they do it, period. Military command authority vs. federal government supervisor - no comparison.

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Re: Offered a job in the federal government - IRS
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 06:41:57 AM »
But you can roll your pension contributions into your TSP (like 401k) when you leave instead of deferring your annuity, to get that 4.4% back. I plan on doing this. You’ll be eligible for a 5% TSP contribution match that you get to keep after 3 years? of service.

Interesting, I didn't know this. I've been a fed for a couple of years and planned to just take my FERS contributions in cash whenever I leave (definitely not planning on making this a 20+ year career). I've got about $3,500 in there already which I just considered forced savings. It would be nice to just roll that into my TSP.

How is that treated tax-wise? I assume the contributions are pre-tax so if you took the balance as just cash I assume it would be counted as income and therefore taxable.

To add insult to injury on our forced low interest savings account, our FERS contributions are not pre-tax but post-tax. When my coworker left she rolled hers over to TSP, but after double checking, it’s actually only the taxable portion that can be rolled over to TSP. So when you take the lump sum, you get treasury interest rate on the contributions and the interest on the contributions is taxable. But you can roll that portion over into your TSP to avoid paying taxes on the interest portion. The contribution portion can either be cash to you (no tax implication) or can be rolled over into a Roth IRA. According to this form, TSP won’t let you roll this portion into a Roth TSP. https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf3106.pdf