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Becoming a "SAHM"....Deciding to leave... Unsure....
« on: October 28, 2017, 08:32:17 PM »
Hi Everyone!
I am a long time reader and have had my plan on autopilot.  I have been checking in and reading the forum but was just in a comfortable place where all was going as well as could be expected.  I feel at a cross roads so just wanted to get some input. 

After a great deal of unhappiness in my prior job, I have worked myself into a situation where I work totally from home with a bit of travel here or there.  For the most part I like my job as much as could be expected and love my coworkers.  My boss has changed and I really do not care for him and find him to be extremely inappropriate. In addition to this,  I had a major work issue that was not resolved in a manner I felt appropriate (going to HR and not handled).  So this makes me view my job pretty differently because now I do not feel the support of HR or the company and have to deal with someone as a superior crossing the line pretty frequently (yes... reported all this.... and it was not handled). 

My life has changed in that I have four kids; none are in school.   After the weekends I look forward greatly to going to work and feel I wasn't meant to be a SAHM to lots of tiny kids.  :)  My husband has a job with 80% travel which means I do all drop off, pick up, most of parenting during the week, etc.   He LOVES his job.  The number of children I have in daycare (4) makes finding another job that can fund all this childcare (located in a rual location) difficult; I could probably find one, but I would have to travel extensively which is not an option due to my husbands job.  I do travel and it is always a real struggle for my monthly trip to cover this all. 

So I sort of feel trapped: I have a ton of kids in daycare, which costs a boatload, I have what some would view as a sweet set up at my current job but have had some recent AWFUL situations where I nearly quit that day, I am afraid to 'quit my cash cow job' despite all this, there are no jobs near me or remote with similar travel to mine that pay enough to send my kids to daycare, and working FT in an office while being the primary parent would be super hard...but yet I feel staying home would almost be harder than what I am doing now.   

The good news is that we are FI.   The bad news is that other than amassing the money, I don't know that I have prepared to BE FI if that makes sense.  My husband doesn't really understand our financial situation despite me explaining it to him/running the numbers/etc.  I guess he is just in disbelief.  Also, while we technically have the money to fund EI, I don't know how to make that monthly income stream out of it if that makes sense.  Finally, I have extreme fear of leaving my job to be a SAHM and then being one of those SAHM that wants to enter the workforce and can't (yes...I am aware that my situation is slightly different but still).  I feel so unsure and afraid of making the wrong decision and then being more trapped than I currently am. 

It seems like there are some resources related to this (how to get your spouse on board-but that is more spending oriented which is not the problem), things to do before you quit (which is more technical like a check list) and there was the Living AFI post on his last year and some general information on how he prepared to leave.   But I feel like there are not tons of things to help with these decisions and/or translating your lump sum into monthly money.  So I need help from you guys!  Any done this (or any parts of this?) and have any guidance? Or have a plan in place for when you make this leap? 

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2017, 09:24:43 PM »
I think the first thing you need to do is get your numbers in order. How much are you both bringing in? How much goes out each month for everything? Then prepare another estimate of how it would look without your salary and without paying for daycare. Once you have the numbers you have facts, which really does help with this sort of thing.

Once you have that, create a list of the problems you see with staying home all the time: (e.g. "lack of adult company", "feeling like I have no power in the relationship if i don't bring in money", "feel like I'm wasting my degree", etc.) Just get them all out there so that you can look at them in the cold black and white reality. Then brainstorm ways to deal with these issues (e.g. "plan excursions with other adults,","make new friends","pick up a new side hustle I can do from home related to my degree/interests", etc.)  This has to be about you before it can be about your husband or anyone else.

If you don't have ideas for how to deal with the problems you can see ahead, you may not be ready. In that case, do the exercise again and again until you have answers to the problems you identify. It took me about two years to get the answers I needed.

On the other hand, you may be ready to leave without anticipating these problems. There is a book called "Leap" that is quite good for people in this situation. https://www.amazon.com/Leap-Leaving-Plan-Career-Really-ebook/dp/B00QE1HX90/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1509247247&sr=1-1&keywords=leap  It is written by Tess Vigland who walked away from her dream job at NPR and then spent some time interviewing other people who had leaped into the unknown. It's fantastic. It's even better as an audio book since Tess Vigland reads it.

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 12:33:48 AM »
When you say you are FI, does that include daycare spending?

If so I'd quit the job, and still send the to daycare, and use the time to decompress initially then think about what you really want, maybe a part time role, some volunteering, and part time daycare would be a good balance?

Where are your funds at the moment? Can you survive off just husbands income?

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 04:19:40 AM »
Option 3 - part time job that you like, part time babysitter/daycare/preschool.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 05:20:31 AM »
They won't always be tiny kids; that's the beauty of it. I recently left my job, which I liked well enough, to be a SAHD to boys 5 and 2, although I had no qualms about it. It has been fantastic. The 5 year old can be frustrating some times, but he is also helpful. If the environment with your current job is horrible, even a cash cow one, to me, isn't worth it.

Heck, you can stay on a little longer until the tiniest one is at a better place for you to come home if that makes the difference.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 07:42:35 AM »
You have some good advice already about how to get ducks in an order if leaving is the best outcome.

So, I'm going to focus on the job itself. You had a good job. Almost all of the people you have to work with are fantastic. You didn't give much detail about what happened there other than a horrible new boss, really inappropriate stuff he is doing, and an unresponsive HR. It's fine (and probably best) to not share more on an internet message board. If the new boss suddenly left, would you be sure you want to stay in your job? Or are you struggling anyway with other aspects and thinking it might be best to leave?

Here is my take on what I read and what I am reading between the lines, FWIW:

The first, and most important, thing to realize here is that YOU HAVE THE POWER. That is because you don't have to work, which means you don't have to put up with this bullshit. Technically he is "above" you on the food chain, but in reality you have more power than he does. Period. You can afford to lose your job, and he most likely cannot. You win. You have the power.

If he was reporting to you instead, what would you say/write to him whenever he crosses the line? Keep it professional and appropriate. Plan it out. Fight back directly to his face a bit with professional words that make it clear you do not have to put up with poor and inappropriate treatment . . . because you will not be bullied. No one has the right to speak to you that way, sir! He might be nasty to you because he wants you to quit; if that is the case, then if you quit, he wins. Do you want him to win? No. (Just don't say the F word to his face . . . keep it clean.)

I hope you are documenting everything daily in writing and printing it out to keep in a separate file. Every tiny instance you feel crosses a line, no matter how unsure you are how it would sound to someone else, document it with the date. You may already be doing this, and, if so, good for you! I've once worked in the gas-lit sea of microaggressions, with some overt aggression thrown in, and you might also be in that situation. It's hard, in that situation, to not doubt yourself on some of the more "minor" inappropriate things. Don't doubt yourself, because you have the power here. Be sure you print out a written record of the first time you went to HR along with any response that they gave (their written response, if their was one, or your recollection of their verbal response, if that is all there was.) Do all of this on work time.

Then, decide what you want to do. Things I have done or seen other people do:

1) Minimize your contact with him in every way possible. I know you can't totally avoid him, but minimize as much as you can for now.

2) When he crosses the line, stand up to the bully/harasser and make it clear that it stops, now, period. Lather, rinse, repeat.

3) Take work time for your health! You have a doctor's appointment in the middle of a work day . . . with a therapist! He or she will give you more ideas and help you work through all of these issues. See that person at least once a week (2X per week if you think it would be helpful.) This is coded as sick time. You are not crazy, but we all benefit from an impartial & trained third party listening and lending ideas. Honestly, I had one colleague have a therapist certify him going on disability leave due to bullying-related work mental stress . . . obviously that is an extreme measure, but it was an effective strategy for him.

4) More self care during the day . . . once a week have a massage or facial, paint your toes, retail therapy at the local thrift shop, whatever it takes and whatever works for you. Do this "during lunch", or code the time as personal time, if your company has that. Pamper Momma! Because if Momma ain't happy, then ain't nobody happy!

5) One-on-one, over the phone or over lunch, tell as many co-workers as possible what is happening on the down low. See what they say. Some might have similar problems with him, which only increases your power further, or some might have really good tips on what to do. It can't hurt.

6) If the company is large enough to have an "Office of Institutional Equity" of something like that, then file a formal complaint with them. File it as sexual harassment whether or not any of his behavior is sexual, because at a minimum he is
creating a hostile enough work environment to make you want to quit. I've done it, and it sucks, but it's an important step. Bear in mind that their job is entirely to keep the company from being sued, and that they probably will not rule in a way that you think is completely satisfactory, but at that point you are pretty protected . . . if your boss fires you after that, it is more clearly retaliation. He will then likely be told he can't fire you, and in a bigger company there is a good chance they will change your reporting relationship. If he is doing it to you, then he has done it to others and will do it again in the future . . . this is doing your part to give those future ladies more leverage in seeking recourse. It's not just about you. Social justice and equity! Power to the people!

7) Escalate it again through a different pathway, perhaps his boss or his boss's boss. Usually his boss's boss is the best pathway, since that person likely did not hire him directly and is not as invested in backing him up. This I have also done, and it is scary, I know. Use your documentation to help guide that conversation. Keep it professional. Talk about how much you love your job and how you want to work in the best interests of the company. You have to guess at who or the upper ups will be more sympathetic to your plight. HR is useless; go to his bread and butter. This kind of end run will make him hate you, but it will also get his behavior on their radar. Do you really care if you get let go? At this point they'd probably have to give you some kind of severance package.

Again, you have the power. No sir, he will not treat you like this.

Good luck!

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 08:33:34 AM »
We are in a similar situation, both teachers and have a 4 and 1 year old in daycare. We have decided next year for my wife to stay at home until the kids are sufficient to take themselves to and from school, even if it takes 10 years. My wife will sub once our 1 year old is in kindergarten. I don't know how you get 4 kids ready to take to daycare every morning by yourself, that sounds horrible unless you start late at work (we have to leave our house by 7am). We have become absolutely fed up with the pace we are living at, our 4 years old shows aggression at school and has to be there for 50 hours a week, and our 20 month old still barely talks and screams and cries all the time and is at her daycare for 50 hrs a week too. We literally can't see our children seemingly falling apart just so we can make a little more. We are fully adopting a minimalist lifestyle because we are beyond fed up with feeling too worn down to give our children our best efforts, so we are slowing our lives down having her stay home, I'll continue teaching, tutoring, summer school etc. All for the sake of having peace in our household again. I'd say go for it, you'll never get that time back again and someone will offer you a job somewhere later on.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 10:46:34 AM »
Excellent post, Zamboni!

The most important part (and the part that I had to learn deep in my gut) was this:

The first, and most important, thing to realize here is that YOU HAVE THE POWER. That is because you don't have to work, which means you don't have to put up with this bullshit. Technically he is "above" you on the food chain, but in reality you have more power than he does. Period. You can afford to lose your job, and he most likely cannot. You win. You have the power.

My husband told me that I had to realize that I wasn't playing in the same game anymore. I had enough money to leave and that made meant that I had won in a game my boss couldn't even muster the chips to start playing in, much less win.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 02:37:53 PM »
Excellent post, Zamboni!

The most important part (and the part that I had to learn deep in my gut) was this:

The first, and most important, thing to realize here is that YOU HAVE THE POWER. That is because you don't have to work, which means you don't have to put up with this bullshit. Technically he is "above" you on the food chain, but in reality you have more power than he does. Period. You can afford to lose your job, and he most likely cannot. You win. You have the power.

My husband told me that I had to realize that I wasn't playing in the same game anymore. I had enough money to leave and that made meant that I had won in a game my boss couldn't even muster the chips to start playing in, much less win.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 08:01:23 PM »
Hi!  Thanks everyone!  Here is a bit more information!

I should have mentioned that I have already done a bit of the numbers stuff.  I met with our accountant to review how our financial situation would change and the tax impacts.   We would be able to live on my husband's salary.  Also, we have multiple years worth of long term incentives that we have not yet cashed in due to high taxes and not really needing them (e.g. I sold one year and after tax this was 20k; there are I think four more years we can sell that would be similar.... planned to do one/two a year as needed; he gets a new grant each year so this would always be replenished as long as he was in his job.).  I am only netting about 40k after my ridiculous daycare (50k+) and high taxes; this is mostly in the form of a maxed out 401k, bonus, and a little extra biweekly beyond my daycare.  So selling these grants each year (market depending of course) with no daycare and then having about 10k less in taxes on his salary puts us in a similar position to our current earnings.  As I write this out it seems I am insane not to have left yesterday. 

As for our situation, we have a paid off house (300k; although high property taxes -7k), 750k+ in various retirement accounts, and a few hundred k in other accounts/cash that we can access.  My husband also earns a lot too (120k, 15% bonus, and his long term grants that can be sold for about 20k each year).   We have always lived on one salary (except recently having to dip into my earnings for daycare).  I feel like from a financial perspective we could easily do it.

However, I am scared.  Scared of him loosing his job, scared of being unhappy as a sahm, scared of not being able to find work again, scared of other similar things all related to the unknown. 

Metta - I have now ordered the book; thank you for the suggestion! This biggest fear I have is related to my kids home all the time.  My husband is not home at 6/7/8 at night... he is sometimes gone for weeks at a time traveling internationally.  THis is all really hard even when I only have my kids for a few hours/weekends/and I cannot imagine being with them solo for 3-4 weeks at a time.  I have done a solo six month stint and looking back do not know how I survived.  All the days, weekends, etc all just rolled together into never ending time.... I was on a maternity leave at the time and only survived because I kept one in daycare and had one in preschool and one home with me (prior to #4-we moved so the preschool options are not as good currently).  But it still sucked.  Was there anything that eased your transition besides the planning you mentioned?

dreams - no my FI does not include the 50k annually for daycare.  :( I do have one account that generates 6K to 10K in divedends etc. that I had prior to marrying my husband which I would not feel guilty about using each year to pay for help/care if needed for a few years.  I am sure we could also budget more from his salary if needed but I feel guilty about this as this would decrease college savings which is important to my husband.  I added some more context above on the financials.

knapptime lol -my previous plan was sept of 2019- this was because my oldest would be in school, the second oldest could go to a 3 day full day cheapish preschool and the twins could do some part time preschool.  This seems like forever away.  Not sure if I can make it... :( Has anything been difficult about your transition? do you plan to return to work? does your partner work?

Zamboni - thanks for the tips.  I will say that I no longer find the job fulfilling and mostly work because of the outrageous pay/pto/and ability to multi task and keep my home operational while at the same time listening to calls/meetings.  I do document and things have gotten somewhat better after The Situation which was highly escalated; he was looked at very badly, etc. but not resolved in a manner that I found appropriate.  However, The Situation still happened and I really cannot change how I see this person.  I am remote and see him once a month and ensure that others are around and really only speak to him on the phone once a week.  I have started walking three times a day to exercise and will look for other things to do.   I actually did give my notice when this all occurred but was begged to stay and promised that he would be addressed (which he was unsatisfactorily).  I am now scared of quitting (due to kid issue above).   

kev - I have things down to a science for that drop off!  Pick up on the other hand is a real mess.  I have similar feelings as I also feel like my kids are being raised by a daycare and are the ones short changed by this whole situation.  Is your wife excited to stay home or overwhelmed due to the crazy behavior resulting from daycare?  I will say my daughter, who is very difficult, was the happiest ever during the six month solo stint that over lapped with my maternity leave.  this was because she only had to go to preschool for a few hours and then was home with me.  her behavior was waaaaay better so maybe the circus I am imagining would be lessened as my kids would be getting more of what they need?


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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 08:41:01 PM »
As much as I adored my kids, it was refreshing for me to work on weekends and be around adults. But, my husband was home on weekends to give child care. OK, they sat and watched Saturday cartoons! So? I got a break from the kids and my husband spent quality time with the kids.

You might see if you can get part time work somewhere instead of full time, since you say it gives you a break when you go to work.


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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 08:42:47 PM »

Metta - I have now ordered the book; thank you for the suggestion! This biggest fear I have is related to my kids home all the time.  My husband is not home at 6/7/8 at night... he is sometimes gone for weeks at a time traveling internationally.  THis is all really hard even when I only have my kids for a few hours/weekends/and I cannot imagine being with them solo for 3-4 weeks at a time.  I have done a solo six month stint and looking back do not know how I survived.  All the days, weekends, etc all just rolled together into never ending time.... I was on a maternity leave at the time and only survived because I kept one in daycare and had one in preschool and one home with me (prior to #4-we moved so the preschool options are not as good currently).  But it still sucked.  Was there anything that eased your transition besides the planning you mentioned?


My situation is different than yours and I cannot offer advice on children. Your situation will be different than the one you are describing here because your children will grow and change and the challenges will change.

My friends who have made similar transitions to the one you are describing seemed to have had a year or two of hell and then found their way to the other side. Most decided that they liked it after they re-engineered their life a bit. Some went back to work because they truly didn't like staying home. (It is simply not true that you cannot go back to work after being gone for a while. Lots and lots of people do. So deep-six that fear.) Several of my friends eventually decided to work at schools or in jobs that had similar hours to the time their children spent in school. One of them changed from working a demanding corporate job in instructional design to being an in-demand Latin tutor. She made enough doing so that when her husband tragically died a few years later, she just continued doing what she had been doing and she did well at it. One of my friends stepped away from corporate to be home with her small children and then went back to the corporate world where she is now well-paid and doing well.

You are valuable. You will still be valuable if you spend time away from the world of work. Working for someone who is a creep can make you doubt your own worth. Check to see whether you are doing that. I am not saying that you are. But that happened to me when I worked for a creep and it took help for me recover from it.

Go to the Mini Money Mustache forum and ask them how they dealt with the transition. At least one member here, Thegoblinchief, made that transition and he can help you. I am sure others can as well. Here is his blog: https://thegoblinchief.wordpress.com.


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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2017, 04:46:39 AM »
I think you need to fight to make your job better before quitting, if for no other reason than that if you don't, you'll have more regrets in the hard moments.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2017, 05:21:47 AM »
Hi.

When reading this post, a few thoughts pop up in my mind:

Would it be beneficial for you to hire an au pair and have her take care of your children at your house? Maybe an au pair costs less than 4 x daycare? The au pair would need to live at your house, so you need to have an extra bedroom.

I think it is not very considerate of your husband to travel so much for his job and to be gone for weeks/months at the time, when your have 4 small children. This also counts for children in school age. As a father he should be able to contribute with more than just money. Yes, he loves his job. But didn't he also join in the decision to have so many children?

If you choose to become a SAHM, could you offer day care to other children as well? Or would this complicate things a lot in administration and applying to regulations?

It is very frustrating that some managers can ruin good working climates. This happens over and over again.

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 09:41:11 AM »
OMFG.  Everything Zamboni and ShoulderThing and Linda said. 

In the interest of full disclosure:  if I were SAHM of 4 small kids, my head would explode.  I don't care if working would lose me money if it kept me sane.  So take my advice with a grain of salt.

1.  Document everything.  Because you have already filed a claim, everything he does now might be construed as retaliation.  Don't let the terrorists win and all that.  Every time he does it again, send it to HR with a polite note that you are concerned that the issue still has not yet been completely addressed.  Don't expect them to actually fix the problem -- you are just setting the stage for sexual harassment/constructive discharge/retaliation claim.  And even if you don't ever intend to file a lawsuit, you may be able to use the history as the basis for a buyout/severance package if you decide to quit.  Also, your local EEOC office may be able to provide advice about what your options are.  Really, if it's so bad that you are ready to quit, what do you have to lose??

1.a.  Does it help to think of it as you aren't doing it for yourself?  After all, you're FI, you don't need to take this shit.  But there are a lot more women who don't have your power, and who are likely going to be subject to the whims of this asshole and your incompetent HR department for as long as the assholes/idiots remain in their jobs.  If it helps make work more tolerable, think of it as doing it for the next generation -- your own kids, even:  fighting the good fight so maybe they won't have to.*

2.  Take care of yourself -- and be more selfish than feels comfortable to do it.  Minimize every single "should" in your life -- fuck the housecleaning, fuck the PTA, fuck the 87-ingredient meal plan, fuck [insert your personal "a good wife/mom should" hangup here].  Throw hot dogs on the table, and use the spare time to exercise, sleep, or read a book.  And for God's sake, carve out time from your workday and see a therapist to talk this all through -- BEFORE you make any long-term decisions.  That feeling of being overwhelmed fucks with your ability to think rationally. 

3.  Sorry, but your DH doesn't get to love-Love-LOVE his job if it leaves you with all the work at home and a choice between two binary and untenable options.  What can he do to ease your burden at home somewhat?  He needs to step up and support you -- and I don't mean financially.

4.  An au pair is an excellent idea.  Heck, if you're paying $50K/yr for daycare, I'd think a full-time nanny would be both cheaper and easier.

5.  Working full-time to SAHM of 4 littles is a massive, massive change.  I would not be willing to make that leap without some sort of sanity lifeline, like paid daycare for X hrs/day or Y day(s)/wk.  Especially if my DH traveled all the time and so my "normal workday" (a/k/a "the time during which I am solely responsible for the children") was going to be 24 hrs and not just 8.  Eesh.  I mean, I adore my kids more than life itself -- and there are only two of them -- but I get claustrophobic just thinking about it. 

Sending you good thoughts.

*FWIW, I do this at work when things piss me off.  I don't need this job, which frees me up to be very vocal about sexist bullshit and invidious discrimination when I see it (in a polite way, of course) -- and I am senior and respected enough that they tend to listen to me (not always as well as they should, of course, but that's another issue entirely).  Suffice it to say that I like that particular role.

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 10:15:54 AM »
I have no idea if this link is applicable to your situation, but it may be worth looking into external options.

https://www.eeoc.gov/employees/howtofile.cfm

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2017, 10:21:34 AM »
Wow, big decision to make.

First: congratulations on being FI, and on escalating 'the situation', even though it was not handled completely!

DW is SAHM for our 7 kids and homeschools. It is a commitment and a $hit-ton of work; a full-time job. She and the kids are doing great, but it does not just 'happen'; she runs it like a job. Part of the gig is she needs a break from the house and the kids, which she gets via lots of classes @ the local gym and side-gig physical fitness instructor. I am the primary wage-earner and make a big effort to get home @ reasonable times, not work weekends, travel as little as possible - help out much as possible!

I would suggest, think through it, emulate it in your head and maybe even write down a daily schedule of how the days will look... and make the best decision you can. whatever it is, commit to it, with the mindset to succeed.

Good luck!!

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Re: Becoming a "SAHM"....Deciding to leave... Unsure....
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2017, 10:23:03 AM »
I was a failed SAHM - I went back to work when my oldest was 9 months old because I thought I was going crazy.

I realized in hindsight that I had not properly prepared for how to be a SAHM. I didn't have a social circle (new town), and I didn't know there were areas that SAHMs congregated (library story time, etc). 

It's possible I could do it now, with three older kids.  (I have found that I handle them LOTS better now that they are in elementary/middle school, and I think it's more important to have a parent be present after school now than I did when they were in preschool.)  It's also quite possible that I'd go insane, especially if my husband were always travelling.

That's a very, very personal choice for you to make, and it isn't a failure if you don't like staying home with them.

When my babies were little, I would have been quite willing, in my particular circumstances, to work solely for the cost of day care.  It was worth my sanity.  Heck, I might have worked for less than that, just to get out of the house and hear grown-up words.  Don't judge yourself if you choose to take a lower-paying job...especially knowing that day-care costs *will* eventually decrease.


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Re: Becoming a "SAHM"....Deciding to leave... Unsure....
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2017, 03:29:51 PM »
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kev - I have things down to a science for that drop off!  Pick up on the other hand is a real mess.  I have similar feelings as I also feel like my kids are being raised by a daycare and are the ones short changed by this whole situation.  Is your wife excited to stay home or overwhelmed due to the crazy behavior resulting from daycare?  I will say my daughter, who is very difficult, was the happiest ever during the six month solo stint that over lapped with my maternity leave.  this was because she only had to go to preschool for a few hours and then was home with me.  her behavior was waaaaay better so maybe the circus I am imagining would be lessened as my kids would be getting more of what they need?

This is understandable.  Kids love to be at home, in a familiar place, with their families.  Long days away from home can be really hard.

I mean, goodness. I'm an adult, and I'm this way.  I had a half work day today (because there's no school, hubby and I split the day at home), and it's SOOO relaxing.  Cooking, putting stuff away, coloring, games with the kids...

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Re: Becoming a "SAHM"....Deciding to leave... Unsure....
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 06:10:38 AM »
knapptime lol -my previous plan was sept of 2019- this was because my oldest would be in school, the second oldest could go to a 3 day full day cheapish preschool and the twins could do some part time preschool.  This seems like forever away.  Not sure if I can make it... :( Has anything been difficult about your transition? do you plan to return to work? does your partner work?

My wife still works as a teacher. We did this because, if we have another child, she would get maternity leave and I would have gotten nothing. Plus, if I return to work, there's usually a place for a math/science teacher (me) whenever they want to return--not so much for English teachers (her). If my side hustles and the market pan out, I probably won't go back.

The transition has been fairly smooth. As a teacher, we have extended breaks where I would be with the kiddos all day, albeit with my wife. Prior to my wife going back for this school year, I had all summer to see what it was like dealing with the stages of my kids. We also took on homeschooling, which is not as difficult as dealing with obligatory time and energy outputs a school requires. Our days are simple. I think it would have been harder if I first tried this with the second child as an infant.

In the end, most everyone we talk to understands the desire to have a parent home with their children, and I never cared much for career advancement anyway. My opinionated next-door neighbor is the toughest critic. I think she thinks men are ill-suited to raise children and makes a point to question my decision almost every time I see her.

Oh yeah, responding to forum posts on the internet may take two weeks. That's a difficulty of being with the kids all day. At work, I had free time to do this stuff regularly.