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Need a budget critique
« on: June 08, 2025, 09:38:52 AM »
So,
I need a budget Critique. We are not very mustachian so I am sure to get a lot of crap on here. Long term we are good, as we invested a lot 10 years ago, but the past 3 years I have had very little leftover funds to invest, or even take a vacation. I am looking to trim 500-1000 from our monthly budget without sacrificing quality of life. We are a family of 5 with 3 boys 3,6,9.

Net income = 9600/Month after taxes 401k Insurance
Mortgage 3410 (Includes taxes and insurance)
HOA (220)
Electric 380 (Average)
Water & Waste 190 (Average)
Pest control (33)
TV & Internet (290) I know its crazy, this is one of the place I plan to cut
Yard Maint (205)
Insurance (371) (Auto and Life)
Phones (202) (For me and my wife) I think it will drop to 140 soon as our Iphones will be paid off.
Put of pocket Medical (650) Average over the past 2 years. I hope this drops off soon.
Restaurants (1200) Average
Groceries (1800) Average Includes all basic living expenses, cleaning supplies etc.
Auto repair and Gas (995) Both cars are paid off. Its about 400 on a typical month for gas and tolls but had lots of maint last year that raised the average,
Entertainment (395) (including dates, babysitters... we have no family) So that's like 1-2 date 1 museum or something similar each month.
Church and charities (200)
Pet (100) we have a 15 year old dog dying of cancer, spent 4k on that over the past 2 years.
Clothes (200)
Misc (200)

Between the medical expenses for the kids, the dog and the unscheduled car maintenance ive basically been break even over the past 2 years with nothing leftover to invest. I know the food seems crazy. I have tried not eating out, but the groceries seem to go up proportionately. we average 3000 a month between the 2. If I cut restaurants down to 400 groceries rises up to 2400. I focused on this for 2 months and saved a few hundred dollars, but hardly noticeable. The kids are allergic to dairy, and we try to eat healthy. I guess we have expensive tastes.... A lot of this is cleaning supplies too & chlorine for the pool.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2025, 10:06:56 AM »
These kinds of threads go poorly about 99% of the time.  Generally people give all sorts of reasonable and good suggestions, and the OP will explain why they can't/won't make those cuts.

OP, I think you need two things:  (1) Get in sync with your wife so that it's both of you against the budget, not you against her, and (2) you both need to have a goal or vision that is more important than your current spending and therefore worth making the cuts.

If it's just you wanting to make the cuts, or if you're doing them for vague reasons, it won't work.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2025, 10:29:47 AM »
I'm not great at maths, but it looks like you are spending more than you earn every month, right? So this isn't about just going on vacation or saving but about not going into debt after such a promising start and such a high salary. You can do better.

secondcor521 is probably right that this will go better if you and your wife are on the same page. Have you tried showing her these numbers?

If you want to talk about strategies for cooking cheaper food that is still healthy and tasty, the Mustachians tend to be really good at coming up with ideas. I make this dairy-free cake sometimes, not because I'm allergic but because it's easy and quick. $600 per person per month on food seems like an awful lot considering that one of the people is a three-year-old who probably doesn't eat that much. The kids might eat more when they are bigger.

Can you switch phone companies once your phones are paid off? How much more of a contract do you have?

Can you or your wife do any more of the yard maintenance?

If you close to any of the people at church, could you trade babysitting nights? Like one couple hosts a play date for all the kids while the other couple has a night out?

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2025, 11:10:55 AM »
The phones and groceries are the ones that stand out to me. T-Mobile has prepaid plans that are $25 per month per line with unlimited text and talk and I think 2 GB of data. If you’re mostly where there’s Wi-Fi you’ll never use all that data.

Between groceries and eating out that’s a ton of money for a family of five even in a higher cost of living especially considering that all three of those kids aren’t very old. It’s surprising what you can find when you really examine your grocery bill. I’m a senior and don’t eat that much and when my bill went from 300 to 400 per month for me and occasional guests I took a really close look at it. It turns out that I had some expensive habits. For instance, I eat yogurt in those little individual containers. I switched to big containers and measuring it out into a cup to eat it and saved $38 per month and just that one little change. I was able to cut $100 a month off my grocery bill and sometimes even more than that.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2025, 11:23:41 AM »
These kinds of threads go poorly about 99% of the time.  Generally people give all sorts of reasonable and good suggestions, and the OP will explain why they can't/won't make those cuts.

OP, I think you need two things:  (1) Get in sync with your wife so that it's both of you against the budget, not you against her, and (2) you both need to have a goal or vision that is more important than your current spending and therefore worth making the cuts.

If it's just you wanting to make the cuts, or if you're doing them for vague reasons, it won't work.

Thats exactly why have been spinning my wheels for the past 2 years.

Swapping nights with babysitting is a good idea. I have proposed that with my wife but she has yet to make it happen. The wife and I are going through troubles. She wants a date every week. She also wants to see a marriage counselor. I am not seeing how to make it work. Anyhow, Yes, I've tried and she throws a fit every time I try to talk money with her. She doesn't spend a lot, that said I buy everything we need so I'm not sure what she buys. Clothes for her and the kids and food when I am out of town. Anyhow, I won't get much cooperation from her.

I dont think we have a contract on the phones. Its ATT.

On the yard maintenance no... Thats just for mowing and the hedges. I am on the road 100 days a year so I dont want to put that on my wife to do while I'm gone... she wouldn't do it anyway if I did.  As it is I am still doing an 5-10 hours a month on yard work. Weeding, hand pruning, fixing spriklers. I also do a lot of house work, Seems every weekend I am fixing an appliance or cabinet drawer or something.

On the food, we are still spending about ~300 a month on formula alone, its time to ween him off, but hes in no hurry.


I'm not great at maths, but it looks like you are spending more than you earn every month, right? So this isn't about just going on vacation or saving but about not going into debt after such a promising start and such a high salary. You can do better.


There is a little more income, about 10-15k from bonuses and my side hustle but its inconsistent so I try not to rely on it. We have been break even. I had to pull out about 5k last year from the investment account but was able to put it back toward the end of the year.

No debt other than the mortgage, which is at 2.75%

Yes, the kids a have lots of individually packages stuff for their lunches. Oreos, small bags of snacks, juice boxes, I know that adds up. We switched from bags to tupperwares mostly and are buying mostly costco packages.

On data. I used 1.44 TB of data in the past 3 years. I listen to 2-3 hours of podcasts a day and work from my phone. So I think I need unlimited Data. And I am often in remote locations. I need to talk to my employer about reimbursing me for my phone. That would be ideal.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2025, 12:01:17 PM »
If you're breaking even, then maybe prioritise the marriage counselling your wife wants. Saving your marriage will probably be better for your life and your finances than anything else. You can bring up the budget concerns in the context of the counselling. Others will have more wisdom on this, but it just seems like counselling now would be better than letting problems get worse.

Edit to add: Consumer Cellular uses the ATT network. It wouldn't make a huge difference, but if you're not locked into a contract, then switching could be an easy win.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2025, 12:03:04 PM by Kwill »

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2025, 12:27:37 PM »
Consumers Cellular,
I dont know anyone who has it, is it a good product? Would I notice a difference?

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2025, 12:36:46 PM »
"Yes, the kids a have lots of individually packages stuff for their lunches. Oreos, small bags of snacks, juice boxes"

- Note that this and restaurant food are not in line with your stated goal of eating healthy.

Generally the healthy food is pretty okay price wise: fruit and veggies, pulses, oats, healthy oils, low or no meat etc, basic stuff you prepare yourself.

« Last Edit: June 08, 2025, 12:45:05 PM by Green_Tea »

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2025, 01:12:12 PM »
If I cut restaurants down to 400 groceries rises up to 2400.

Is this you trying to make an excuse for spending 1200/month on restaurants?  First, the math doesn't make sense (if you cut 800 but only save 200, that's a choice).  Second, you are spending 1.2k/month on restaurants but you can't save anything?? That's mindboggling.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2025, 01:29:16 PM »
If you're breaking even, then maybe prioritise the marriage counselling your wife wants. Saving your marriage will probably be better for your life and your finances than anything else. You can bring up the budget concerns in the context of the counselling. Others will have more wisdom on this, but it just seems like counselling now would be better than letting problems get worse.

Edit to add: Consumer Cellular uses the ATT network. It wouldn't make a huge difference, but if you're not locked into a contract, then switching could be an easy win.
Your communication problem with your wife far exceeds your budget problem. Fix that first or your budget will be the least of your worries.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2025, 02:45:21 PM »
These kinds of threads go poorly about 99% of the time.  Generally people give all sorts of reasonable and good suggestions, and the OP will explain why they can't/won't make those cuts.

OP, I think you need two things:  (1) Get in sync with your wife so that it's both of you against the budget, not you against her, and (2) you both need to have a goal or vision that is more important than your current spending and therefore worth making the cuts.

If it's just you wanting to make the cuts, or if you're doing them for vague reasons, it won't work.

Thats exactly why have been spinning my wheels for the past 2 years.

Swapping nights with babysitting is a good idea. I have proposed that with my wife but she has yet to make it happen. The wife and I are going through troubles. She wants a date every week. She also wants to see a marriage counselor. I am not seeing how to make it work. Anyhow, Yes, I've tried and she throws a fit every time I try to talk money with her. She doesn't spend a lot, that said I buy everything we need so I'm not sure what she buys. Clothes for her and the kids and food when I am out of town. Anyhow, I won't get much cooperation from her.

Make sure you understand the arrow of causation:  your money issues are a consequence of your relationship issues.  Were I in your shoes, I would give the marriage counseling a chance.

If you want to see how expensive divorce can get, add up your net worth, and imagine being left with about 45% of that amount (a 50/50 split plus attorney fees plus possibly alimony).  Oh, and you will probably get to see those kids less than half the time given you're on the road and it sounds like she's a SAHM.

One divorce will outweigh your monthly budget woes by probably 100x to 1000x or more.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2025, 03:53:48 PM »

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Make sure you understand the arrow of causation:  your money issues are a consequence of your relationship issues.  Were I in your shoes, I would give the marriage counseling a chance.


One divorce will outweigh your monthly budget woes by probably 100x to 1000x or more.
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I'm not sure about that. We did the counseling last year for 4 months. I quit when she accused me of sleeping with the counselor... Obviously the two are related but the causation isn't clear. see my other thread...

On the food I meant when we cut out 800 on dinning out it adds at least 600 to groceries, so the savings isn't great.
We did that Feb and March of this year. The lowest month was 2440. If you subtract diapers, cleaning supplies, batteries, etc we will say about 2000 is food. Thats $13 per person per day. Is that really bad? what are you all at?

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2025, 04:18:29 PM »
"Yes, the kids a have lots of individually packages stuff for their lunches. Oreos, small bags of snacks, juice boxes"

- Note that this and restaurant food are not in line with your stated goal of eating healthy.

Generally the healthy food is pretty okay price wise: fruit and veggies, pulses, oats, healthy oils, low or no meat etc, basic stuff you prepare yourself.

Well, we like meat....
On weekdays I am home (Remember I travel 100 days a year)  I make breakfast at 6am while my kids make their own lunch.

Usually I usually make 1 meat, we rotate bacon, sausage, or corned beef. Eggs made to order. There is always strawberries or blackberries but the kids dont usually eat them.  They will eat apples bananas and watermelon as a snack. I do an omelets ever few days to use up lefotver meats and veggies.  Occasionally biscuits form a can when we run out of toast. On weekends my wife does pancakes or waffles or we eat cereal.

The kids normally do a ham or Chicken sandwich with Diya Cheese (We are all allergic to dairy) and mayo, A Juicebox, 2 oreos and a small bag of pretzels or chips.

I normally cook salads or occasionally poke bowls, or Chilli for my wife and I for lunch.

I cook Dinner too. Mondays is Salmon and rice, Tuesday tacos, Wednesday we order Pizza (or occasionally bbq ribs), Thursday or Gyros greek salads, or shrimp salads, or Brats on the grill, Friday hamburgers on the grill, We normally have at least one meal out each weekend, and leftovers.

So that 1200 dollars for restaurants is typically Wednesday and Saturday dinner, and a few lunches a month when I am out of town. 


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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2025, 04:56:16 PM »
I guess I'm left asking whether you want to stay married to your wife. If I read correctly, the last time you attempted counseling, she accused you of sleeping (assuming unfounded) with the counselor. And, you went for four months. Do you have a good sense of what's working and not working in your marriage? Were I in your shoes, the budget would be the least of my concerns. I'd start looking for a job that doesn't require 100 days of travel/year, and understanding how we could navigate a separation*, unless you think another counselor might work miracles.

*I don't suggest this lightly, but things seem incredibly challenging if a four month investment in marital counseling led to accusations of cheating with the counselor vs progress on improving your marriage.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2025, 05:35:10 PM »
Trust me, I'm pretty close to pulling the plug.... Unfortunately, If I do, I am left with the same expenses, and trying to find another 2,000 a month for an apartment...See my other thread for considering divorce.....I love my job, and I have a pretty good pay for someone without a degree (155k). I dont think I could make more than half that in a job without travel.

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Re: Need a budget critique
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2025, 10:13:29 PM »
The wife and I are going through troubles. She wants a date every week. She also wants to see a marriage counselor. I am not seeing how to make it work. Anyhow, Yes, I've tried and she throws a fit every time I try to talk money with her.

Buddy, you are missing the forest for the trees. Set the budget aside for now and get to a marriage counselor yesterday.
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Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!