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Mustachian CCW holders?
« on: November 25, 2017, 12:05:28 PM »
I don't know how many concealed carry holders there are in the Mustachian community, but thought I'd throw it out there.

What do you carry and how do you carry it?

What are cost-effective ways you train?

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 12:08:12 PM »
I carry a FNSc 9mm. I've got two holsters but prefer an outside the waistband full Kydex from Raw Dog Tactical.

Still finding my preferred amount of $ to budget for range time and ammo. Tentatively would like to do at least 1 (50 rounds) Dot Torture drill a month, ideally 2-3, and then some rapid fire exercises. This takes about an hour of range time, which costs me about $17.

Thinking about taking some more advanced pistol training in next few months.

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 12:52:46 PM »
No CCW yet but I am a gun owner.  It's tough to figure out the most mustachian gun to own, ammo to use, practice amount because you never get any sort of consensus about any of those things.  Right now I just have a Ruger LCR .357 that I mostly shoot .38 with.  I don't live in a densely populated area and don't much time in crowded places.  My commute is a straight shot from home without a whole lot of stops plus the CCW license ain't free either.

Yeah, I live in a city. Our immediate (say, 5 block radius) neighborhood is safe outside of occasional garage and house thefts, which have thankfully gone down in recent years, but there's much rougher neighborhoods not very far away, and while I realize active shooter scenarios are miniscule, having kids with me almost all the time I want the ability to stand and defend my family if God forbid I had to.

Most Mustachian gun to own would be an interesting question. Most professional defense trainers would argue for 9mm. In that caliber, Glock is arguably the best from a sheer reliability perspective unless you'd insist on needing to upgrade the sights or trigger (which many Glock owners seem to do), in which case some of the other major platforms like S&W Shield or M&P, etc would be more cost effective.

My FNS wasn't a very cheap gun but it felt really nice in my hand. Now that I've used it for a while there are certain things I don't love about it, but it's very reliable so far (nor am I aware of any known issues with it, unlike some other platforms) and I shoot well with it so for now I'm keeping it.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 01:08:06 PM »
We have a really nice new range in town, but that would get pretty expensive since they don't offer any annual plans. Luckily, even though it's a 20 min drive, there's an outdoor range that's really nice that only costs $50/yr. Plus you must police your own brass, which you normally can't at most ranges, so you're not having to keep buying brass for reloading.

I suspect 9mm is the most Mustachian since it's the most popular and cheapest round for CCW.

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2017, 05:28:32 AM »
When I lived in the states I had a Ruger LC9 I had been given. It all ways went bang and was decently accurate. Most of my shooting was with hunting guns but I probably fired a 100 rounds a month out of the Ruger.

I would guess 9mm is the most Mustachian unless you were trying to use it for many purposes like hunting too. Then my guess is 357

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 07:57:40 AM »
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2017, 08:06:22 AM »
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

In many states it's a matter of public record anyway... In my state, which is quite gun-friendly, anyone can look up the database of CCW holders.

Anyway, why would you not post about it on an anonymous internet forum?

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2017, 08:16:25 AM »
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

In many states it's a matter of public record anyway... In my state, which is quite gun-friendly, anyone can look up the database of CCW holders.

Anyway, why would you not post about it on an anonymous internet forum?

I don't consider anything on the internet to be anonymous. Even the NSA has been hacked.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 08:58:26 AM »
I don't consider anything on the internet to be anonymous. Even the NSA has been hacked.

Well the NSA is probably harder to hack than your local registry of CCW permits. With that logic, they already know...


I use to have a little .22 for CCW. Then I bought a tiny Sig 9mm. Yes, it was more expensive than a Glock. I tested the tiny Glock, the S&W Shield, and the S&W Bodyguards(semi and revolver). The Sig felt better in my hand and I'm more accurate with it. It also came stock with fiber optic night sights. If my life ever depends on it I want something I am most comfortable with.

Now I'm more accurate with my tiny CCW Sig 9mm than I was with my full size 9mm... so I sold the full size and I sold my old .22 CCW. Net net the new Sig cost me $120. :)

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2017, 10:31:20 AM »
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Why? I don't understand this concern.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2017, 01:07:40 PM »
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2017, 05:45:36 PM »
I carry a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. It fits me perfect and when I pull it up and aim usually its pretty close if not right on where I would like to be. 9mm is (as someone else stated) the most mustachian normal caliber for a handgun I believe.

When I want to save money I switch out to snap caps. You can't believe the improvement it will make on accuracy and trigger pulls when you catch yourself flinching or pulling to the left or right when you squeeze. With the snap caps you can practice trigger pulls and drawing in your own house. As with any firearm, make sure that the load is actually a snap cap before practicing.

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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2017, 05:58:33 PM »
I used to when I was in LE, and also when I lived in a gun-friendly state. Ruger LCP in a Crossbreed IWB or a Glock 36 in a Bianchi Carrylok.

Now I live in NJ.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2017, 05:59:15 PM »
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!

You have ‘stupid’ gun laws that have lead to exponentially lower gun death rates than the U.S.’s ‘good’ gun laws?

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2017, 07:25:30 PM »
Do y'all shop around for the best permit (AZ, ID, etc.) or just go with whatever your local jurisdiction offers?

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2017, 07:52:22 PM »
I've had my concealed handgun permit for years but have only carried a few times.  It's a weird feeling when you first start carrying.  I feel like everyone already knows I have a gun on me.  I guess that feeling will wear off over time.

I have a Ruger LCP with a Desantis pocket holster and I also have a Versacarry IWB holster.  I also have a 9mm Smith and Wesson Shield for when I get more comfortable carrying the Ruger.  If you live in a state where you can have ammunition shipped to your house, I've found ammotogo.com and palmettostatearmory.com to have some pretty good deals sometimes.

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2017, 10:36:41 PM »
I don't know how many concealed carry holders there are in the Mustachian community, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Your state requires a carry permit?  Lame...

Constitutional Carry is the law of my state.  If you're not prohibited from owning a firearm, you may carry concealed.

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Find your local USPSA and steel matches.  I'm not as big a fan of IDPA - it's shooting for people who love obscure rules.  Shoot USPSA with major loads, and you have a much more practical course of fire to play with.  I shot steel matches weekly for close to 2 years and loved it - you get serious muscle memory, which is important.  The downside, of course, is that your muscle memory matches what you shoot.  I can draw a Glock and get it on target through muscle memory, but anything else is aimed... weird.  Glocks are bizarre, but I do like them an awful lot.

I've had my concealed handgun permit for years but have only carried a few times.  It's a weird feeling when you first start carrying.  I feel like everyone already knows I have a gun on me.  I guess that feeling will wear off over time.

IMO, either carry regularly, or carry never.  If you're carrying infrequently, only to certain places, it's probably wise to simply not go those places.

As long as you're not wearing one of those idiotic "shoot me first" vests (fisherman/photographer vests), nobody knows, nobody cares.  You could open carry and most people wouldn't notice, and those few that did would assume you were a cop anyway.

The feeling certainly wears off, though it's not a bad idea to have a friend or two you trust who will point out if you're printing.  If you have a lot of overhead work that limits IWB carry, consider pocket carry with a proper holster - you're mostly limited to mouse guns (.380), but there are some single stack 9s that will pocket carry OK.  If you carry without a holster, you'll print a bit, but nobody will notice, and with a good holster, it's properly invisible even to people who know you're carrying.

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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2017, 11:01:27 PM »

Most Mustachian gun to own would be an interesting question. Most professional defense trainers would argue for 9mm. In that caliber, Glock is arguably the best from a sheer reliability perspective unless you'd insist on needing to upgrade the sights or trigger (which many Glock owners seem to do), in which case some of the other major platforms like S&W Shield or M&P, etc would be more cost effective.


I couldn't agree more regarding the 9mm Glock followed by S&W as the most mustachian. You want a caliber that has decent stopping power and mass produced. Arguably the Glock is probably your most reliable handgun and best value for your dollar due to reliability.

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2017, 03:21:47 AM »
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!

You have ‘stupid’ gun laws that have lead to exponentially lower gun death rates than the U.S.’s ‘good’ gun laws?

Yup, stupid.  Its a massive subject and would take an age to discuss fully.  I have been shooting for 30 years and the current situation here is just silly.
New laws coming next year, its turning into a very anti gun country.  The public support the govt too, guns are seen as bad things. 

What irritates me is as a firearms licence holder I am subject to very strict scrutiny, kept under constant watch at my club, social media... forums!!!..... etc.  Licence only lasts 5 years then have to go through the whole process again.  Jump through the hoops and probably more strict each time.  Generally speaking I think your average section 1 holder in the UK is a very decent person.

Yet I am not deemed trust worthy enough to have a semi automatic .223.  But, I can have a .50 cal.  With a suppressor.  That's ok.

(footnote... they are looking to ban .50 cal next year)

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2017, 05:16:10 AM »
Let's please not turn this into a gun control debate, as that won't be productive.

Synonyk - I'll look into those matches, thanks. Definitely agree that carry should be a regular thing. I hope I never have to use mine but I want my tools on me if I need them. And a lot of the worst shootings take place in perfectly safe areas.

Paul der Krake - the permit in my state is pretty inexpensive and has quite a bit of reciprocity. If I traveled a lot more, or to certain states, I might have gotten the Utah permit but the WI permit covers all the states I regularly travel to except the super restrictive ones where I wouldn't be able to get a permit anyways.

Full Beard - the weird feeling goes away the more (and more regularly) you carry. Plus, my state allows open carry so "brandishing" concern is a non issue unlike in other states where you can get in trouble, or at least a visit by the cops if you lose concealment.

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2017, 02:22:15 PM »
I'd love to have a CCW permit.  My home town is fairly civilized, so there's not much need for it.  And strongly liberal so while it's in theory possible, in practice it's impossible.  But occasionally I take a trip to the nearby crime ridden metropolis.  I definitely would want one for those visits to carry the largest gun I have. 

Agree with the gun control debate. There's multiple threads on our forums on the subject - some actually went on with a fair amount with reasoned discourse before the flame wars started and the mods locked them. 

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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
I live in a very safe area, so it's not terribly important, but I do have my CCW.  Largely because it makes transport to/from the range a lot easier to do legally.  My wife let hers expire though as it is fairly pricy to maintain.

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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 03:28:13 PM »
Synonyk - I'll look into those matches, thanks. Definitely agree that carry should be a regular thing. I hope I never have to use mine but I want my tools on me if I need them. And a lot of the worst shootings take place in perfectly safe areas.

Yeah, "Gun Free Zones" are known by... less positive terms, in my circles.  "Happy Hunting Grounds" is one of the nicer terms.

What you're looking for with the various matches is to get used to shooting "accurately enough" under pressure - and getting the muscle memory so you can put rounds on target quickly without having to sight.

Most people, at the range, engage in some form of bullseye shooting.  Slow fire, low stress, aiming for the exact bullseye.  That has nothing to do with any sort of practical shooting situation, but the USPSA matches and steel matches get a lot closer.  Accuracy doesn't matter beyond "In the general center of the cutout" or "hit the steel plate," and it's usually multiple shots on each target, so you get to practice rapid followup rounds - you should be able to double tap fairly accurate (two rounds, second one following the first a quarter second or less later with no separate aiming step).  That's just a matter of learning your gun and how it recoils.

Another bit of advice: Always practice how you'll carry.  If you carry with one in the chamber, start matches like that.  If you carry with a full magazine and an empty chamber, which requires racking the slide to chamber the first round, always shoot like that.  You want it to be muscle memory.  If you have an external safety, always leave that on so you get used to turning it off as part of your draw.

And then practice drawing from concealment (with an empty gun) fairly regularly so you can do it without getting everything all tangled up.

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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 03:36:07 PM »
Yeah, I practice drawing from concealment at home pretty regularly. Most of the ranges here don't allow holster work with live weapons for safety reasons.

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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2017, 03:39:28 PM »
My wife and I both have our CCW permits (in Colorado you’re allowed to carry in full view without a permit, but a permit is required if it’s concealed). I bought my wife a Ruger LCP .380 but admittedly, I loved it so much that I stole it and it’s the only weapon I carry concealed now. It’s also MMM friendly coming in at under $200 during sales events (I believe retail is still under $249). I find larger calibers to be too cumbersome to carry every day, so for me, a .380 that I can carry in comfort is far more effective than a .45 that I only carry half the time.

I do agree that a 9mm will be most cost effective in terms of ammo and target practice. They’re just harder to find in subcompacts as small as the LCP .380.

When we took our CCW classes, our instructor drilled into us that defensive scenarios typically take place in areas you don’t expect them to. You tend to be on edge and more aware of your surroundings in areas you deem “unsafe,” but it’s when you have a false sense of security from being in a “safe” or familiar setting that you should really be practicing situational awareness. It gave me food for thought so I figured I’d share it here as well.

(And regarding the comment on posting if you’re a CCW holder: it’s already registered with the government, so no hiding there. And if any folks are surfing MMM debating on which house to break in to, I doubt they’ll be choosing one defended by CCW holders.)

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2017, 03:48:07 PM »
Glock 43, at about 4 o'clock in an IWB holster.

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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2017, 03:48:34 PM »
When we took our CCW classes, our instructor drilled into us that defensive scenarios typically take place in areas you don’t expect them to. You tend to be on edge and more aware of your surroundings in areas you deem “unsafe,” but it’s when you have a false sense of security from being in a “safe” or familiar setting that you should really be practicing situational awareness. It gave me food for thought so I figured I’d share it here as well.

Yes, completely agree. The whole "oh I only carry when I go into a dangerous area" is not a valid strategy, IMO.

In this vein, I highly recommend the YouTube channel Active Self Protection (narrated real-world gunfights - fantastic learning tool) and his Extra channel as well, which does a mixture of philosophy, gun and equipment reviews, etc.

ASP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw
ASP Extra: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-i64EAeVzk7gxlLDvWQb3w

If you can put up with an admittedly rambly guy, nutnfancy has some good videos on this specific issue, but his off the cuff style is very love/hate.

"Obligation of Carry": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIHDHZf1TA
"Concealed Carry Protocol": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8OK4WdoW0
(My Personal Favorite) "The Sheepdog Concept": https://youtu.be/OW8BZ7pRt28

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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 PM »
Glock 43, at about 4 o'clock in an IWB holster.

I might end up getting one of those eventually, it's my favorite single stack currently, the double stack gets HEAVY even with a good holster and belt and is harder to keep concealed, though I do like having the extra firepower. My BIL is getting one soon for the same reason. His double stack basically never leaves the house with him, so kinda defeats the purpose.

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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2017, 04:01:37 PM »
Most of the ranges here don't allow holster work with live weapons for safety reasons.

Huh.  I shot in Iowa from a holster constantly, and it was an uncontrolled range, so if nobody else was out there, you could do whatever you wanted within a pretty broad definition of "safe."  Clean up after yourself, don't put holes in yourself or anyone else, but if you want to draw from concealment and work on that, as long as nobody else was out there, do whatever.

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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2017, 05:53:17 PM »
Glock 43 for me as well.
It was so popular when it first came out the stores were constantly selling out of them. I got mine on sale at one of the largest resellers in the country so I got a good deal. 😄
I prefer to carry in a purse as it can be harder for women to conceal on body. I order my ammo by the case online. targetsportsusa.com has great prices and free shipping when you order a case. I guess not all states allow ordering ammo online?
I make a point of going to the range on “ladies night”. Most ranges have them. The deals vary but generally include free or discounted range time. Many will let women bring a male guest for free as well!

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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2017, 06:00:41 PM »
The problems with off-body carry are what happens when the purse is stolen and the much slower speed of draw.

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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2017, 06:16:31 PM »
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.

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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 05:40:01 AM »
Kimber Pro-Carry II in a crossbreed supertuck normally. Bersa Thunder when that would print too much. I practice dry at least once a month and hit up the range a few times per year.

The best carry gun is the one you'll actually have with you.

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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 05:08:29 PM »
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.

I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2017, 05:50:30 PM »
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Glock 20 or something else?

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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2017, 05:57:57 PM »
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Curious why you'd go with 10mm over .45 for what is, presumably, an open carry gun?

I'm all for the concealable carry guns, but if I wanted a "big critter gun," I'd open carry a 45 double stack or a revolver loaded for bear.

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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2017, 06:00:33 PM »
I use a Glock 19 9mm, inside a CrossBreed IWB holster. I like how the IWB holsters keep the gun tight against my body. It feels very secure, is more discreet, and is still (mostly) easy to draw quickly.

I like the Glock 19 because my hands are smaller, and the grip feels really secure in my hand. Since the gun is on the light side, shooting 9mm keeps the recoil manageable, and lining up the next shot is faster than when I was shooting a .45 caliber.

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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2017, 11:08:13 AM »
I carry a full-size Sig 1911 (45 acp) in winter, and a Smith and Wesson Shield (9mm) in the summer. Tuck-able inside-the-waistband holster for both. Jacket is mandatory for concealment of the 1911 for my carry position, hence the winter-only carry.

I dry-practice daily. This costs nothing, and allows me to maintain a pretty high level of proficiency. Minimum daily practice is about ten draws from concealment, sight alignment, and click. I focus on smooth movements, and making each repetition in a training session just a little faster than the last, and the session is over when I am not sure the next rep will be faster than the last (that's the point where you're starting to practice sloppy movements).

I'm at the range at least once every couple of weeks. During the live-fire sessions, the focus is mostly on low-round-count weapon-handling drills that I can't effectively practice without firing (e.g. draw, fire two, mag change, followup shot, holster and repeat; double-taps to practice recoil control, etc.), because after all of the dry-fire practice drills, just lining up the sights and hitting the target is trivial.

I reload, so ammo cost (especially for the 45 acp) is much reduced, and with the low round count focus at the range, it's very affordable. I also do most of my shooting on public land, so no range fees.

This may seem like a lot of practice, but honing pistol skill is just as much recreational for me as it is about self defense and preparedness.
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2017, 11:28:12 AM »
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Curious why you'd go with 10mm over .45 for what is, presumably, an open carry gun?

I'm all for the concealable carry guns, but if I wanted a "big critter gun," I'd open carry a 45 double stack or a revolver loaded for bear.

It sounds like you're not familiar with the 10mm. It's not just slightly bigger than a 9mm; it's solidly in magnum-revolver territory (between .357 mag and .41 mag in power), and significantly more powerful than the 45 acp.

People regularly carry 10mm for bear defense in Alaska, while the 45 would be severely under-powered in that context.

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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2017, 11:56:44 AM »
It sounds like you're not familiar with the 10mm. It's not just slightly bigger than a 9mm; it's solidly in magnum-revolver territory (between .357 mag and .41 mag in power), and significantly more powerful than the 45 acp.

People regularly carry 10mm for bear defense in Alaska, while the 45 would be severely under-powered in that context.

You're right.  I had it confused with something else (not sure what, now that I think about it).  It's got significantly more muzzle energy than even a hot .45 load.

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« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2017, 04:31:19 PM »
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Glock 20 or something else?

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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2017, 12:31:09 AM »
No CCW but I own a couple CZs (75B and SP01). Probably one of the more recent un-Mustachian purchases. I love how they shoot and handle though.

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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2017, 12:36:46 PM »
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.
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I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Yeah I recently moved to an area where the critters tend to be bigger and more abundant. I will probably look to upgrade calibers for my hiking trips.

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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2018, 10:39:44 AM »
SCCY CPX-1 9mm
Open carry on the weekends with Retention Lvl III holster, concealed during the week in kydex appendix carry (and sometimes carry at 4:00 depending on clothing choices).

Wife is the M&P Bodyguard .380 in an ankle or bellyband holster.

Purchase 9mil ammo in bulk, 1000 rounds at a time and burn about 300 rounds per practice session.  I practice about once every two months for range time, and every month (or more) with draw / dry fire / hand to hand / situational practice.  As someone posted upthread, snapcaps are the bomb.com.  Since the 9mm can be picked up for $.18 to $.19 a round, it is nice to have the kiddos shoot the .22L that runs about .04-.05 cents per round.

Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.


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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2018, 10:46:50 AM »
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that I’ve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.

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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2018, 10:52:34 AM »
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that I’ve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.

Did you buy larger pants for IWB carry?  That seems to be the biggest problem.  When I realized that I was trying to fit another 4-6" of circumference within my old 'alittle too tight but I don't want to admit I'm gaining weight' pants, it made a world of difference.

If you lose some pounds, try getting out the old larger-you pants and see if it helps.

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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2018, 11:52:17 AM »
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that I’ve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.

Did you buy larger pants for IWB carry?  That seems to be the biggest problem.  When I realized that I was trying to fit another 4-6" of circumference within my old 'alittle too tight but I don't want to admit I'm gaining weight' pants, it made a world of difference.

If you lose some pounds, try getting out the old larger-you pants and see if it helps.

Jeans are from 30 pounds heavier. It’s mainly the barrel poking me in the bladder area that gets uncomfortable the longer I’m sitting down. Remembering to hike my belt up before sitting helps quite a bit.

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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2018, 12:17:22 PM »
Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.

The only people that don't need to buy 1000 rounds of ammo are those that keep the gun in storage all the time and never practice with it.  Which are exactly the people that I get really nervous about when they DO eventually decide to get the gun out...

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« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2018, 01:26:54 PM »
Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.

The only people that don't need to buy 1000 rounds of ammo are those that keep the gun in storage all the time and never practice with it.  Which are exactly the people that I get really nervous about when they DO eventually decide to get the gun out...

Yeah, I get flack from pro-gun people for this but I’m becoming a strong believer in initial and ongoing training requirements, definitely for CCW permits, but arguably for any gun owners.

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/