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Title: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 25, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
I don't know how many concealed carry holders there are in the Mustachian community, but thought I'd throw it out there.

What do you carry and how do you carry it?

What are cost-effective ways you train?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 25, 2017, 12:08:12 PM
I carry a FNSc 9mm. I've got two holsters but prefer an outside the waistband full Kydex from Raw Dog Tactical.

Still finding my preferred amount of $ to budget for range time and ammo. Tentatively would like to do at least 1 (50 rounds) Dot Torture drill a month, ideally 2-3, and then some rapid fire exercises. This takes about an hour of range time, which costs me about $17.

Thinking about taking some more advanced pistol training in next few months.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 25, 2017, 12:52:46 PM
No CCW yet but I am a gun owner.  It's tough to figure out the most mustachian gun to own, ammo to use, practice amount because you never get any sort of consensus about any of those things.  Right now I just have a Ruger LCR .357 that I mostly shoot .38 with.  I don't live in a densely populated area and don't much time in crowded places.  My commute is a straight shot from home without a whole lot of stops plus the CCW license ain't free either.

Yeah, I live in a city. Our immediate (say, 5 block radius) neighborhood is safe outside of occasional garage and house thefts, which have thankfully gone down in recent years, but there's much rougher neighborhoods not very far away, and while I realize active shooter scenarios are miniscule, having kids with me almost all the time I want the ability to stand and defend my family if God forbid I had to.

Most Mustachian gun to own would be an interesting question. Most professional defense trainers would argue for 9mm. In that caliber, Glock is arguably the best from a sheer reliability perspective unless you'd insist on needing to upgrade the sights or trigger (which many Glock owners seem to do), in which case some of the other major platforms like S&W Shield or M&P, etc would be more cost effective.

My FNS wasn't a very cheap gun but it felt really nice in my hand. Now that I've used it for a while there are certain things I don't love about it, but it's very reliable so far (nor am I aware of any known issues with it, unlike some other platforms) and I shoot well with it so for now I'm keeping it.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on November 25, 2017, 01:08:06 PM
We have a really nice new range in town, but that would get pretty expensive since they don't offer any annual plans. Luckily, even though it's a 20 min drive, there's an outdoor range that's really nice that only costs $50/yr. Plus you must police your own brass, which you normally can't at most ranges, so you're not having to keep buying brass for reloading.

I suspect 9mm is the most Mustachian since it's the most popular and cheapest round for CCW.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Debonair on November 26, 2017, 05:28:32 AM
When I lived in the states I had a Ruger LC9 I had been given. It all ways went bang and was decently accurate. Most of my shooting was with hunting guns but I probably fired a 100 rounds a month out of the Ruger.

I would guess 9mm is the most Mustachian unless you were trying to use it for many purposes like hunting too. Then my guess is 357
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: shunkman on November 26, 2017, 07:57:40 AM
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Clever Name on November 26, 2017, 08:06:22 AM
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

In many states it's a matter of public record anyway... In my state, which is quite gun-friendly, anyone can look up the database of CCW holders.

Anyway, why would you not post about it on an anonymous internet forum?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: shunkman on November 26, 2017, 08:16:25 AM
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

In many states it's a matter of public record anyway... In my state, which is quite gun-friendly, anyone can look up the database of CCW holders.

Anyway, why would you not post about it on an anonymous internet forum?

I don't consider anything on the internet to be anonymous. Even the NSA has been hacked.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Indexer on November 26, 2017, 08:58:26 AM
I don't consider anything on the internet to be anonymous. Even the NSA has been hacked.

Well the NSA is probably harder to hack than your local registry of CCW permits. With that logic, they already know...


I use to have a little .22 for CCW. Then I bought a tiny Sig 9mm. Yes, it was more expensive than a Glock. I tested the tiny Glock, the S&W Shield, and the S&W Bodyguards(semi and revolver). The Sig felt better in my hand and I'm more accurate with it. It also came stock with fiber optic night sights. If my life ever depends on it I want something I am most comfortable with.

Now I'm more accurate with my tiny CCW Sig 9mm than I was with my full size 9mm... so I sold the full size and I sold my old .22 CCW. Net net the new Sig cost me $120. :)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 26, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
If I had a CCW, I would not advertise it here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Why? I don't understand this concern.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: skip207 on November 26, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Ankenystache on November 26, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
I carry a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. It fits me perfect and when I pull it up and aim usually its pretty close if not right on where I would like to be. 9mm is (as someone else stated) the most mustachian normal caliber for a handgun I believe.

When I want to save money I switch out to snap caps. You can't believe the improvement it will make on accuracy and trigger pulls when you catch yourself flinching or pulling to the left or right when you squeeze. With the snap caps you can practice trigger pulls and drawing in your own house. As with any firearm, make sure that the load is actually a snap cap before practicing.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JLee on November 26, 2017, 05:58:33 PM
I used to when I was in LE, and also when I lived in a gun-friendly state. Ruger LCP in a Crossbreed IWB or a Glock 36 in a Bianchi Carrylok.

Now I live in NJ.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Bucksandreds on November 26, 2017, 05:59:15 PM
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!

You have Ďstupidí gun laws that have lead to exponentially lower gun death rates than the U.S.ís Ďgoodí gun laws?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Paul der Krake on November 26, 2017, 07:25:30 PM
Do y'all shop around for the best permit (AZ, ID, etc.) or just go with whatever your local jurisdiction offers?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Full Beard on November 26, 2017, 07:52:22 PM
I've had my concealed handgun permit for years but have only carried a few times.  It's a weird feeling when you first start carrying.  I feel like everyone already knows I have a gun on me.  I guess that feeling will wear off over time.

I have a Ruger LCP with a Desantis pocket holster and I also have a Versacarry IWB holster.  I also have a 9mm Smith and Wesson Shield for when I get more comfortable carrying the Ruger.  If you live in a state where you can have ammunition shipped to your house, I've found ammotogo.com and palmettostatearmory.com to have some pretty good deals sometimes.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Syonyk on November 26, 2017, 10:36:41 PM
I don't know how many concealed carry holders there are in the Mustachian community, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Your state requires a carry permit?  Lame...

Constitutional Carry is the law of my state.  If you're not prohibited from owning a firearm, you may carry concealed.

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What are cost-effective ways you train?

Find your local USPSA and steel matches.  I'm not as big a fan of IDPA - it's shooting for people who love obscure rules.  Shoot USPSA with major loads, and you have a much more practical course of fire to play with.  I shot steel matches weekly for close to 2 years and loved it - you get serious muscle memory, which is important.  The downside, of course, is that your muscle memory matches what you shoot.  I can draw a Glock and get it on target through muscle memory, but anything else is aimed... weird.  Glocks are bizarre, but I do like them an awful lot.

I've had my concealed handgun permit for years but have only carried a few times.  It's a weird feeling when you first start carrying.  I feel like everyone already knows I have a gun on me.  I guess that feeling will wear off over time.

IMO, either carry regularly, or carry never.  If you're carrying infrequently, only to certain places, it's probably wise to simply not go those places.

As long as you're not wearing one of those idiotic "shoot me first" vests (fisherman/photographer vests), nobody knows, nobody cares.  You could open carry and most people wouldn't notice, and those few that did would assume you were a cop anyway.

The feeling certainly wears off, though it's not a bad idea to have a friend or two you trust who will point out if you're printing.  If you have a lot of overhead work that limits IWB carry, consider pocket carry with a proper holster - you're mostly limited to mouse guns (.380), but there are some single stack 9s that will pocket carry OK.  If you carry without a holster, you'll print a bit, but nobody will notice, and with a good holster, it's properly invisible even to people who know you're carrying.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on November 26, 2017, 11:01:27 PM

Most Mustachian gun to own would be an interesting question. Most professional defense trainers would argue for 9mm. In that caliber, Glock is arguably the best from a sheer reliability perspective unless you'd insist on needing to upgrade the sights or trigger (which many Glock owners seem to do), in which case some of the other major platforms like S&W Shield or M&P, etc would be more cost effective.


I couldn't agree more regarding the 9mm Glock followed by S&W as the most mustachian. You want a caliber that has decent stopping power and mass produced. Arguably the Glock is probably your most reliable handgun and best value for your dollar due to reliability.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: skip207 on November 27, 2017, 03:21:47 AM
We don't have CCW for civvies here in the UK but if I did carry it would be a S&W 360 in .357 appendix with alternating FMJ and hollow point.  Also pistols are almost all but gone here since 1997.  Only very few people can get a pistol licence (humane dispatch or specialist gun smiths who provide export stuff).

My gun collection contains shotguns, M&P 15-22, .44 under lever and the obligatory AR.

But again due to our stupid laws I cant have a normal AR so its single shot not semi auto.  Sigh.

Its an expensive sport here costs me about £2000-£3000 a year to shoot regularly.  Its also a 2 hour round trip to the range so lots of fuel.  I do reload though so that cuts costs a lot.  Ammo is very expensive here.  100 .223 around £70 ($100!) and .308 about twice that!!!

You have Ďstupidí gun laws that have lead to exponentially lower gun death rates than the U.S.ís Ďgoodí gun laws?

Yup, stupid.  Its a massive subject and would take an age to discuss fully.  I have been shooting for 30 years and the current situation here is just silly.
New laws coming next year, its turning into a very anti gun country.  The public support the govt too, guns are seen as bad things. 

What irritates me is as a firearms licence holder I am subject to very strict scrutiny, kept under constant watch at my club, social media... forums!!!..... etc.  Licence only lasts 5 years then have to go through the whole process again.  Jump through the hoops and probably more strict each time.  Generally speaking I think your average section 1 holder in the UK is a very decent person.

Yet I am not deemed trust worthy enough to have a semi automatic .223.  But, I can have a .50 cal.  With a suppressor.  That's ok.

(footnote... they are looking to ban .50 cal next year)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 27, 2017, 05:16:10 AM
Let's please not turn this into a gun control debate, as that won't be productive.

Synonyk - I'll look into those matches, thanks. Definitely agree that carry should be a regular thing. I hope I never have to use mine but I want my tools on me if I need them. And a lot of the worst shootings take place in perfectly safe areas.

Paul der Krake - the permit in my state is pretty inexpensive and has quite a bit of reciprocity. If I traveled a lot more, or to certain states, I might have gotten the Utah permit but the WI permit covers all the states I regularly travel to except the super restrictive ones where I wouldn't be able to get a permit anyways.

Full Beard - the weird feeling goes away the more (and more regularly) you carry. Plus, my state allows open carry so "brandishing" concern is a non issue unlike in other states where you can get in trouble, or at least a visit by the cops if you lose concealment.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EricL on November 27, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
I'd love to have a CCW permit.  My home town is fairly civilized, so there's not much need for it.  And strongly liberal so while it's in theory possible, in practice it's impossible.  But occasionally I take a trip to the nearby crime ridden metropolis.  I definitely would want one for those visits to carry the largest gun I have. 

Agree with the gun control debate. There's multiple threads on our forums on the subject - some actually went on with a fair amount with reasoned discourse before the flame wars started and the mods locked them. 
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on November 27, 2017, 03:22:39 PM
I live in a very safe area, so it's not terribly important, but I do have my CCW.  Largely because it makes transport to/from the range a lot easier to do legally.  My wife let hers expire though as it is fairly pricy to maintain.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Syonyk on November 27, 2017, 03:28:13 PM
Synonyk - I'll look into those matches, thanks. Definitely agree that carry should be a regular thing. I hope I never have to use mine but I want my tools on me if I need them. And a lot of the worst shootings take place in perfectly safe areas.

Yeah, "Gun Free Zones" are known by... less positive terms, in my circles.  "Happy Hunting Grounds" is one of the nicer terms.

What you're looking for with the various matches is to get used to shooting "accurately enough" under pressure - and getting the muscle memory so you can put rounds on target quickly without having to sight.

Most people, at the range, engage in some form of bullseye shooting.  Slow fire, low stress, aiming for the exact bullseye.  That has nothing to do with any sort of practical shooting situation, but the USPSA matches and steel matches get a lot closer.  Accuracy doesn't matter beyond "In the general center of the cutout" or "hit the steel plate," and it's usually multiple shots on each target, so you get to practice rapid followup rounds - you should be able to double tap fairly accurate (two rounds, second one following the first a quarter second or less later with no separate aiming step).  That's just a matter of learning your gun and how it recoils.

Another bit of advice: Always practice how you'll carry.  If you carry with one in the chamber, start matches like that.  If you carry with a full magazine and an empty chamber, which requires racking the slide to chamber the first round, always shoot like that.  You want it to be muscle memory.  If you have an external safety, always leave that on so you get used to turning it off as part of your draw.

And then practice drawing from concealment (with an empty gun) fairly regularly so you can do it without getting everything all tangled up.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 27, 2017, 03:36:07 PM
Yeah, I practice drawing from concealment at home pretty regularly. Most of the ranges here don't allow holster work with live weapons for safety reasons.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: FallenTimber on November 27, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
My wife and I both have our CCW permits (in Colorado youíre allowed to carry in full view without a permit, but a permit is required if itís concealed). I bought my wife a Ruger LCP .380 but admittedly, I loved it so much that I stole it and itís the only weapon I carry concealed now. Itís also MMM friendly coming in at under $200 during sales events (I believe retail is still under $249). I find larger calibers to be too cumbersome to carry every day, so for me, a .380 that I can carry in comfort is far more effective than a .45 that I only carry half the time.

I do agree that a 9mm will be most cost effective in terms of ammo and target practice. Theyíre just harder to find in subcompacts as small as the LCP .380.

When we took our CCW classes, our instructor drilled into us that defensive scenarios typically take place in areas you donít expect them to. You tend to be on edge and more aware of your surroundings in areas you deem ďunsafe,Ē but itís when you have a false sense of security from being in a ďsafeĒ or familiar setting that you should really be practicing situational awareness. It gave me food for thought so I figured Iíd share it here as well.

(And regarding the comment on posting if youíre a CCW holder: itís already registered with the government, so no hiding there. And if any folks are surfing MMM debating on which house to break in to, I doubt theyíll be choosing one defended by CCW holders.)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BallerOnABudget on November 27, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
Glock 43, at about 4 o'clock in an IWB holster.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 27, 2017, 03:48:34 PM
When we took our CCW classes, our instructor drilled into us that defensive scenarios typically take place in areas you donít expect them to. You tend to be on edge and more aware of your surroundings in areas you deem ďunsafe,Ē but itís when you have a false sense of security from being in a ďsafeĒ or familiar setting that you should really be practicing situational awareness. It gave me food for thought so I figured Iíd share it here as well.

Yes, completely agree. The whole "oh I only carry when I go into a dangerous area" is not a valid strategy, IMO.

In this vein, I highly recommend the YouTube channel Active Self Protection (narrated real-world gunfights - fantastic learning tool) and his Extra channel as well, which does a mixture of philosophy, gun and equipment reviews, etc.

ASP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw
ASP Extra: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-i64EAeVzk7gxlLDvWQb3w

If you can put up with an admittedly rambly guy, nutnfancy has some good videos on this specific issue, but his off the cuff style is very love/hate.

"Obligation of Carry": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIHDHZf1TA
"Concealed Carry Protocol": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8OK4WdoW0
(My Personal Favorite) "The Sheepdog Concept": https://youtu.be/OW8BZ7pRt28
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
Glock 43, at about 4 o'clock in an IWB holster.

I might end up getting one of those eventually, it's my favorite single stack currently, the double stack gets HEAVY even with a good holster and belt and is harder to keep concealed, though I do like having the extra firepower. My BIL is getting one soon for the same reason. His double stack basically never leaves the house with him, so kinda defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Syonyk on November 27, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
Most of the ranges here don't allow holster work with live weapons for safety reasons.

Huh.  I shot in Iowa from a holster constantly, and it was an uncontrolled range, so if nobody else was out there, you could do whatever you wanted within a pretty broad definition of "safe."  Clean up after yourself, don't put holes in yourself or anyone else, but if you want to draw from concealment and work on that, as long as nobody else was out there, do whatever.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Nemesis. on November 27, 2017, 05:53:17 PM
Glock 43 for me as well.
It was so popular when it first came out the stores were constantly selling out of them. I got mine on sale at one of the largest resellers in the country so I got a good deal. 😄
I prefer to carry in a purse as it can be harder for women to conceal on body. I order my ammo by the case online. targetsportsusa.com has great prices and free shipping when you order a case. I guess not all states allow ordering ammo online?
I make a point of going to the range on ďladies nightĒ. Most ranges have them. The deals vary but generally include free or discounted range time. Many will let women bring a male guest for free as well!
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 27, 2017, 06:00:41 PM
The problems with off-body carry are what happens when the purse is stolen and the much slower speed of draw.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: nwhiker on November 27, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: jlcnuke on November 28, 2017, 05:40:01 AM
Kimber Pro-Carry II in a crossbreed supertuck normally. Bersa Thunder when that would print too much. I practice dry at least once a month and hit up the range a few times per year.

The best carry gun is the one you'll actually have with you.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on November 28, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.

I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on November 28, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Glock 20 or something else?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Syonyk on November 28, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Curious why you'd go with 10mm over .45 for what is, presumably, an open carry gun?

I'm all for the concealable carry guns, but if I wanted a "big critter gun," I'd open carry a 45 double stack or a revolver loaded for bear.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 28, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
I use a Glock 19 9mm, inside a CrossBreed IWB holster. I like how the IWB holsters keep the gun tight against my body. It feels very secure, is more discreet, and is still (mostly) easy to draw quickly.

I like the Glock 19 because my hands are smaller, and the grip feels really secure in my hand. Since the gun is on the light side, shooting 9mm keeps the recoil manageable, and lining up the next shot is faster than when I was shooting a .45 caliber.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: nkt on November 29, 2017, 11:08:13 AM
I carry a full-size Sig 1911 (45 acp) in winter, and a Smith and Wesson Shield (9mm) in the summer. Tuck-able inside-the-waistband holster for both. Jacket is mandatory for concealment of the 1911 for my carry position, hence the winter-only carry.

I dry-practice daily. This costs nothing, and allows me to maintain a pretty high level of proficiency. Minimum daily practice is about ten draws from concealment, sight alignment, and click. I focus on smooth movements, and making each repetition in a training session just a little faster than the last, and the session is over when I am not sure the next rep will be faster than the last (that's the point where you're starting to practice sloppy movements).

I'm at the range at least once every couple of weeks. During the live-fire sessions, the focus is mostly on low-round-count weapon-handling drills that I can't effectively practice without firing (e.g. draw, fire two, mag change, followup shot, holster and repeat; double-taps to practice recoil control, etc.), because after all of the dry-fire practice drills, just lining up the sights and hitting the target is trivial.

I reload, so ammo cost (especially for the 45 acp) is much reduced, and with the low round count focus at the range, it's very affordable. I also do most of my shooting on public land, so no range fees.

This may seem like a lot of practice, but honing pistol skill is just as much recreational for me as it is about self defense and preparedness.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: nkt on November 29, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Curious why you'd go with 10mm over .45 for what is, presumably, an open carry gun?

I'm all for the concealable carry guns, but if I wanted a "big critter gun," I'd open carry a 45 double stack or a revolver loaded for bear.

It sounds like you're not familiar with the 10mm. It's not just slightly bigger than a 9mm; it's solidly in magnum-revolver territory (between .357 mag and .41 mag in power), and significantly more powerful than the 45 acp.

People regularly carry 10mm for bear defense in Alaska, while the 45 would be severely under-powered in that context.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Syonyk on November 29, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
It sounds like you're not familiar with the 10mm. It's not just slightly bigger than a 9mm; it's solidly in magnum-revolver territory (between .357 mag and .41 mag in power), and significantly more powerful than the 45 acp.

People regularly carry 10mm for bear defense in Alaska, while the 45 would be severely under-powered in that context.

You're right.  I had it confused with something else (not sure what, now that I think about it).  It's got significantly more muzzle energy than even a hot .45 load.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on November 30, 2017, 04:31:19 PM
I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Glock 20 or something else?

Colt Delta Elite (new model, with the notch to avoid the cracking issues of the early model), so a little higher maintenance as you have to keep up with spring changes, don't use over spec loads/thin brass, etc, but a supremely nice shooter.  VERY natural.  I've shot the Glock 20 before and it's quite nice, but the Colt is a whole 'nother level and feels more like a natural extension of my hand than a gun.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: jeromedawg on December 01, 2017, 12:31:09 AM
No CCW but I own a couple CZs (75B and SP01). Probably one of the more recent un-Mustachian purchases. I love how they shoot and handle though.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: nwhiker on December 04, 2017, 12:36:46 PM
Springfield EMP 1911 appendix. I have kept all of my handguns in 9mm to avoid worrying about different calibers. It is also the most cost efficient.
The

I did that for awhile, but eventually needed a woods gun so ended up adding a 10mm.

Yeah I recently moved to an area where the critters tend to be bigger and more abundant. I will probably look to upgrade calibers for my hiking trips.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 03, 2018, 10:39:44 AM
SCCY CPX-1 9mm
Open carry on the weekends with Retention Lvl III holster, concealed during the week in kydex appendix carry (and sometimes carry at 4:00 depending on clothing choices).

Wife is the M&P Bodyguard .380 in an ankle or bellyband holster.

Purchase 9mil ammo in bulk, 1000 rounds at a time and burn about 300 rounds per practice session.  I practice about once every two months for range time, and every month (or more) with draw / dry fire / hand to hand / situational practice.  As someone posted upthread, snapcaps are the bomb.com.  Since the 9mm can be picked up for $.18 to $.19 a round, it is nice to have the kiddos shoot the .22L that runs about .04-.05 cents per round.

Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.


Edit to fix typos and clarify.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 03, 2018, 10:46:50 AM
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that Iíve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 03, 2018, 10:52:34 AM
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that Iíve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.

Did you buy larger pants for IWB carry?  That seems to be the biggest problem.  When I realized that I was trying to fit another 4-6" of circumference within my old 'alittle too tight but I don't want to admit I'm gaining weight' pants, it made a world of difference.

If you lose some pounds, try getting out the old larger-you pants and see if it helps.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 03, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
I recently started experimenting with appendix carry now that Iíve lost weight. Still getting used to sitting down but standing up I like it better than the other options.

Did you buy larger pants for IWB carry?  That seems to be the biggest problem.  When I realized that I was trying to fit another 4-6" of circumference within my old 'alittle too tight but I don't want to admit I'm gaining weight' pants, it made a world of difference.

If you lose some pounds, try getting out the old larger-you pants and see if it helps.

Jeans are from 30 pounds heavier. Itís mainly the barrel poking me in the bladder area that gets uncomfortable the longer Iím sitting down. Remembering to hike my belt up before sitting helps quite a bit.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on March 03, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.

The only people that don't need to buy 1000 rounds of ammo are those that keep the gun in storage all the time and never practice with it.  Which are exactly the people that I get really nervous about when they DO eventually decide to get the gun out...
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 03, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
Thats why it so frustrating to hear "no one needs to buy 1000 rounds of ammo blah blah blah..."  It saves me about 25$ every purchase I make which is about 2x a year but for some of my family (and when we go splitsees on a case) it can be significant savings in bulk.

The only people that don't need to buy 1000 rounds of ammo are those that keep the gun in storage all the time and never practice with it.  Which are exactly the people that I get really nervous about when they DO eventually decide to get the gun out...

Yeah, I get flack from pro-gun people for this but Iím becoming a strong believer in initial and ongoing training requirements, definitely for CCW permits, but arguably for any gun owners.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on March 04, 2018, 02:33:33 PM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 04, 2018, 02:45:18 PM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)

I am interested in it based on some coverage I saw from Shot Show but not sure if itís in stores yet. Would also love to try a Hudson but thatís $$$.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: gutts on March 10, 2018, 05:27:16 PM
I have several guns as well as a huge supply of ammo from back then when I wasnít a mustachian. If I could carry I would carry my 9mm SW shield. A very affordable small gun. I have run about 1500 rounds through it including cheap Russian ammo (Tulammo, Silver Bear) with no failures. Today I went to a range after a long break and had no problems putting decent tight groups at 7-10 yards (I mostly practice at self-defence distances). Some day when I get out of Chicago hell, I hope to carry it. Lol, back in Russia I had no idea that the US is actually 50 different counries... sigh... should have moved to Texas or AZ
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on March 11, 2018, 06:07:28 AM
Some day when I get out of Chicago hell, I hope to carry it.
I thought Chicago only banned "assault rifles" - are you not eligible for a CCL?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 11, 2018, 06:14:53 AM
Some day when I get out of Chicago hell, I hope to carry it.
I thought Chicago only banned "assault rifles" - are you not eligible for a CCL?

It is incredibly difficult to get a permit in Illinois, and not sure itís even possible specifically in Chicago.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: gutts on March 11, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
Some day when I get out of Chicago hell, I hope to carry it.
I thought Chicago only banned "assault rifles" - are you not eligible for a CCL?

It is incredibly difficult to get a permit in Illinois, and not sure itís even possible specifically in Chicago.

Itís not that difficult, you need to go to CCW classes, pass the shooting test and then apply for a license. However, since there are no stand your ground and even castle doctrine laws, your CCW license is merely a right to carry a loaded gun. You donít also have to unload your guns when travelling in a car. With FOID only it is mandatory to keep your guns and ammo separate. Ah, yeah, city regulations are also very  unfriendly. It does not stop criminals from lurking around with guns though... Just check the news. All of those restrictions  are only for law abiding people.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on March 11, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Some day when I get out of Chicago hell, I hope to carry it.
I thought Chicago only banned "assault rifles" - are you not eligible for a CCL?

It is incredibly difficult to get a permit in Illinois, and not sure itís even possible specifically in Chicago.

Itís not that difficult, you need to go to CCW classes, pass the shooting test and then apply for a license. However, since there are no stand your ground and even castle doctrine laws, your CCW license is merely a right to carry a loaded gun. You donít also have to unload your guns when travelling in a car. With FOID only it is mandatory to keep your guns and ammo separate. Ah, yeah, city regulations are also very  unfriendly. It does not stop criminals from lurking around with guns though... Just check the news. All of those restrictions  are only for law abiding people.

You are not kidding. It should be either everyone can have guns (with reasonable limitations) or no one can have guns.  In some states like Illinois, New York, California, etc  it seams like only the criminals can have guns. Ridiculous. I am also not a fan of gun free zones. They are just inviting shootings in those areas.  I generally try and avoid those areas whenever possible as I prefer to carry.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 12, 2018, 09:19:57 AM
Don't have my own CCW (or gun for it), although I've completed the course, and several people around me have theirs.  One coworker prefers the S&W Shield (feels nice in the hand!), another prefers the Springfield XDS.  One person has a Glock 26, but that thing feels like holding a brick to me.  Another acquaintance will carry nothing but Glock, and prefers a G43.  All that being said, I *do* get a fair amount of practice, especially lately, due to some product development we're doing (see shameless plug below).

Shameless plug alert:  If you're looking to improve the effectiveness of your range time, the company I work for builds and sells MantisX, a motion-sensing training aid (http://mantisx.com).  It's pretty awesome.  Yes, I'm biased, since I'm on the engineering team. :)  But it actually works!
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 12, 2018, 03:43:59 PM
Don't have my own CCW (or gun for it), although I've completed the course, and several people around me have theirs.  One coworker prefers the S&W Shield (feels nice in the hand!), another prefers the Springfield XDS.  One person has a Glock 26, but that thing feels like holding a brick to me.  Another acquaintance will carry nothing but Glock, and prefers a G43.  All that being said, I *do* get a fair amount of practice, especially lately, due to some product development we're doing (see shameless plug below).

Shameless plug alert:  If you're looking to improve the effectiveness of your range time, the company I work for builds and sells MantisX, a motion-sensing training aid (http://mantisx.com).  It's pretty awesome.  Yes, I'm biased, since I'm on the engineering team. :)  But it actually works!

One of my favorite firearms instructors LOVES the Mantis system. Itís on my wishlist but havenít wanted to spend the money on it yet.

The advantage of Glocks is that everybody and their brotherís second cousinís boyfriend twice removed make holsters and other accessories for them. Ditto the Shield, the XD platform is pretty common as well. I donít personally like grip safeties so XD platform is not my cup of tea.

Iím disliking certain aspects of my FNS the more I use, but unlike Glocks, the aftermarket just isnít there. With the ambidextrous features Glock is adding into Gen 5 models I may go that route at some point.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on March 12, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Shameless plug alert:  If you're looking to improve the effectiveness of your range time, the company I work for builds and sells MantisX, a motion-sensing training aid (http://mantisx.com).  It's pretty awesome.  Yes, I'm biased, since I'm on the engineering team. :)  But it actually works!
Cool. Just got mine Thursday, but haven't had time to use it much yet. I didn't agree with some shots it said were great or vice versa but I'll figure out what it likes.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 12, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
Shameless plug alert:  If you're looking to improve the effectiveness of your range time, the company I work for builds and sells MantisX, a motion-sensing training aid (http://mantisx.com).  It's pretty awesome.  Yes, I'm biased, since I'm on the engineering team. :)  But it actually works!
Cool. Just got mine Thursday, but haven't had time to use it much yet. I didn't agree with some shots it said were great or vice versa but I'll figure out what it likes.
If you swipe over to the fourth screen, where it shows a full trace of the movement?  You can take this to PM, so we don't clutter up the thread.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 14, 2018, 12:38:17 PM
Shameless plug alert:  If you're looking to improve the effectiveness of your range time, the company I work for builds and sells MantisX, a motion-sensing training aid (http://mantisx.com).  It's pretty awesome.  Yes, I'm biased, since I'm on the engineering team. :)  But it actually works!
Cool. Just got mine Thursday, but haven't had time to use it much yet. I didn't agree with some shots it said were great or vice versa but I'll figure out what it likes.
If you swipe over to the fourth screen, where it shows a full trace of the movement?  You can take this to PM, so we don't clutter up the thread.

Its not that active of a thread....

I, personally, want to hear more about the Mantis system.  I have been thinking about it for a while because it looks pretty awesome.

Just out of curiosity, how does it work? is there a micro-gyro in the chamber or do you use a sensing 'target' that detects the movement (like a wii)?  The phone app also looks very well done.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 14, 2018, 02:16:44 PM
Its not that active of a thread....

I, personally, want to hear more about the Mantis system.  I have been thinking about it for a while because it looks pretty awesome.

Just out of curiosity, how does it work? is there a micro-gyro in the chamber or do you use a sensing 'target' that detects the movement (like a wii)?  The phone app also looks very well done.
Yes, there's a 6-axis gyroscope/accelerometer that detects the movement of the gun.  It won't necessarily tell you where you shot would *land*, as other factors (like sighting, wind, etc) can affect the point of impact.  Mantis is focused on how steady you're holding the gun in the fraction of a second before the trigger breaks.  So it'll detect if you're slapping the trigger or flinching just as the shot goes off.  It attaches to the rail of your gun (or, for guns that don't have a rail, we have a bunch of adapters), so you can use it with live fire or dry pratice.

I can't take credit for the app--that's the result of a lot of hard work by our app developers, and they've really polished that thing to a mirror shine.  And they keep coming up with new things to add--a few months ago, they added social aspects to it, so you and your gun-totin' friends can follow each other and see each other's results.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 14, 2018, 02:42:39 PM
Its not that active of a thread....

I, personally, want to hear more about the Mantis system.  I have been thinking about it for a while because it looks pretty awesome.

Just out of curiosity, how does it work? is there a micro-gyro in the chamber or do you use a sensing 'target' that detects the movement (like a wii)?  The phone app also looks very well done.
Yes, there's a 6-axis gyroscope/accelerometer that detects the movement of the gun.  It won't necessarily tell you where you shot would *land*, as other factors (like sighting, wind, etc) can affect the point of impact.  Mantis is focused on how steady you're holding the gun in the fraction of a second before the trigger breaks.  So it'll detect if you're slapping the trigger or flinching just as the shot goes off.  It attaches to the rail of your gun (or, for guns that don't have a rail, we have a bunch of adapters), so you can use it with live fire or dry pratice.

I can't take credit for the app--that's the result of a lot of hard work by our app developers, and they've really polished that thing to a mirror shine.  And they keep coming up with new things to add--a few months ago, they added social aspects to it, so you and your gun-totin' friends can follow each other and see each other's results.

Ya I peeked around on the Mantis page and unfortunately my current CCW setups do not have any rails and don't fit the adapters...  Time to buy a 1911!  lol

Looks like a cool product.  Crazy how old gyro technology is and how well refined it has become.  Sounds like you had fun on the product.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 14, 2018, 05:32:56 PM
What is your ccw setup?
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 14, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
What is your ccw setup?

SCCY CPX-1.  The mag-rail attachment method may work but I'll need to investigate what mags SCCY matched when developing.

Wife is a S&W M&P Bodyguard .380 that we could do a mag mount on as well.

It would be nice if there were an inert chamber bore that could be used.  I know it doesn't help / work with live-fire, but something to consider.
Or a chamber bore that extends out of the barrel to allow a Piccadilly attachment.

I have been considering a larger handgun for more in depth training anyway.  Like a 1911 or Sig P226.  Either option I would go for a rail attachment making it a moot point.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 14, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
I think we have the magazine floorplate adapter for the Bodyguard, but not for the SCCY.  If you're looking at the P226, I can highly recommend Sig's CO2 pellet version of it for training--it's within 1oz of a real P226, and they hold up better than any other CO2 blowback pistol we've used (and we've worn out plenty).
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 14, 2018, 09:07:12 PM
I think we have the magazine floorplate adapter for the Bodyguard, but not for the SCCY.  If you're looking at the P226, I can highly recommend Sig's CO2 pellet version of it for training--it's within 1oz of a real P226, and they hold up better than any other CO2 blowback pistol we've used (and we've worn out plenty).

Sweet thanks for the info!  Thats another +1 for the P226...  Though I should have figured that out given the ample number of Military applications and training for that handgun.  A ton of branches use that handgun in various roles.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JimLahey on March 14, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
I have an M&P Shield 9mm in a Rawdog Tactical IWB holster. I should definitely practice more and I've developed a bad habit of not carrying when I leave the house. My wife didn't grow up around guns and acts like I'm a weirdo carrying one.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 15, 2018, 04:30:01 AM
I have an M&P Shield 9mm in a Rawdog Tactical IWB holster. I should definitely practice more and I've developed a bad habit of not carrying when I leave the house. My wife didn't grow up around guns and acts like I'm a weirdo carrying one.

Well, if you define weirdness as abnormal, it is weird. I donít know any statistics but I bet CCW permit holders who carry daily are a pretty slim part of the population.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 15, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
I have an M&P Shield 9mm in a Rawdog Tactical IWB holster. I should definitely practice more and I've developed a bad habit of not carrying when I leave the house. My wife didn't grow up around guns and acts like I'm a weirdo carrying one.

Well, if you define weirdness as abnormal, it is weird. I donít know any statistics but I bet CCW permit holders who carry daily are a pretty slim part of the population.

3.2% of the population in Texas.  So, ya, statistically abnormal.  (I'm betting Texas is near the top for active CCL)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Full Beard on March 15, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)

I preordered one from my local shop and it should be shipping out around June.  It's pretty amazing how it's able to hold 10 rounds in such a small package.  I may open up a cash back credit card to get the gun a little cheaper.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: southern granny on March 15, 2018, 05:26:46 PM
In my state, you do not need a permit to own a gun or to open carry, but you do have to have a license to conceal carry.

I do have a CCW license.  The class was very informative.  The instructor drilled it into us that you don't draw a weapon unless you are going to use it and you only want to use it is your or someone else's life is in danger.  It is not to protect property (such as a car).  Now if someone forces their way into my car, I will not wait to ask if they are after me or the car.

I have a .380 sig saur.  It is easy to conceal and light weight.  I bought it instead of the 9mm because it is easier to rack and has less recoil.  It is well made and has never jammed.

I practice at a fish and game club in our county that has a nice range and only costs $65 a year to join. 

Most of the time, it is kept in a easy to access pocket of my purse, but if I am in any uncomfortable situation I will have it holstered or in a pocket.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on March 15, 2018, 08:37:15 PM
I can't take credit for the app--that's the result of a lot of hard work by our app developers, and they've really polished that thing to a mirror shine.  And they keep coming up with new things to add--a few months ago, they added social aspects to it, so you and your gun-totin' friends can follow each other and see each other's results.
They must have had a bug today. I updated the app and several hours later got another update notice.

I wish there was a way to add notes to a session to explain why the scores are lower (SHO/WHO/rapid fire, etc) or to block certain sessions from a group. You can delete a session but that only removes it from the local database, the group still sees it. So I'm in a dry fire group yet they see my scores for drills other than Open Training dry-fire.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 16, 2018, 09:14:59 AM
I can't take credit for the app--that's the result of a lot of hard work by our app developers, and they've really polished that thing to a mirror shine.  And they keep coming up with new things to add--a few months ago, they added social aspects to it, so you and your gun-totin' friends can follow each other and see each other's results.
They must have had a bug today. I updated the app and several hours later got another update notice.

I wish there was a way to add notes to a session to explain why the scores are lower (SHO/WHO/rapid fire, etc) or to block certain sessions from a group. You can delete a session but that only removes it from the local database, the group still sees it. So I'm in a dry fire group yet they see my scores for drills other than Open Training dry-fire.
(...runs off to Slack to see if there were two updates yesterday...)  If you're on Android, yesterday's update added a Turkish translation.  Not sure about iOS.

I hope you don't mind if I share your feedback with them.  A lot of the improvements and features in the app have resulted from user feedback and requests.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on March 17, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
I hope you don't mind if I share your feedback with them.  A lot of the improvements and features in the app have resulted from user feedback and requests.
Not at all. There is a "Report Issue" but this is more a feature request and it's easier to type on a PC than smartphone.

Hope to do some live fire drills today.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 19, 2018, 12:52:33 PM
Whether it's a problem or a feature request, it ends up going to the same people. :) Our engineering team is small but very good.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on March 19, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
Iíve completed the class and now itís time to apply for my CCW.   Iím in The Midwest and itís 150$ so Iíve been stalling but I plan to do it this week.   It takes 4 months to get it which sucks. Iím going to get one for Florida too. Then Iíll be covered in all the states I travel through to visit family etc. 

Itís also another hundred for the holster I need so I can carry.  Guns are not cheap to own and use.

I plan to carry a S&W body guard. Itís a 380 caliber. Which may be all they come in but Iím in the learning phase so thatís what I know. I didnít pick mine or I would have gone with a sig saur P938 9mm.  Someone in my class had one and I liked it. They advised us to carry the highest caliber gun your comfortable with but I already owned the 380.  My gun collection is what I had left after a divorce.  My other gun is a 9mm ruger and itís more comfortable to hold and shoot but itís quite heavy and big.  I do like the bigger magazine.  They taught us our accuracy rate would be 2 out of 10 shots would hit the target, stressed situation assumed, not target practice. First thought was why bother but itís better than having nothing. 

Sometimes Iíd like to swap it all for the sig saur and have nothing but 9mm amo. But I find I like having two guns in my house.  Loaded and ready to go.  One in the living room and the other by my bed.  They also recommend you have some kind of backup so I have knives near them, and in other places.  Plus extra loaded magazines and all hollow point bullets.  I have a small home and the neighbors are close, pius I rent out my basement.  I donít want the bullets to travel that far. 

I used to be more nervous but Iím getting more comfortable.  I can load and unload the guns and I practice doing that plus dry shooting, if thatís what itís called. Not long ago all I knew how to handle was a revolver. 

Iím going to my brothers farm in the south and I plan to shoot tons of amo.  I read somewhere that you should run several hundred rounds through the gun you plan to carry to make sure itís reliable.  Thatís smart. I do know what I have has barely been used. When I get my money in better order Iíd like to visit a range monthly for practice but for now I just handle them at home then set them aside with the safety on.

What I need to do more is act like Iím carrying and be aware of the places I visit, notice if they have signs visible or not, most of my favorite stores donít allow it. I frequent the dog park and I know I canít carry there. Thatís all disappointing. Post offices are a big no no. I go on base a lot but they allow it in your car so thatís good.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on March 19, 2018, 05:24:58 PM
Iíve completed the class and now itís time to apply for my CCW.   Iím in The Midwest and itís 150$ so Iíve been stalling but I plan to do it this week.   It takes 4 months to get it which sucks. Iím going to get one for Florida too. Then Iíll be covered in all the states I travel through to visit family etc. 

I hear that.  Texas was 140$ until Texas Senate Bill 16 (S.B. 16) that went into affect September 2017.  Now its 40$.
Texas is much faster now too!  But I feel ya on the months and months of waiting... 
My advice is to go ahead and do it to get started with the waiting.  Florida is a good out-of-state license to get, Texas is as well.  Double check both reciprocity maps to see which one would help you out more.  Also, if you get both, be sure to notify law enforcement of both licenses if you get pulled over.  Hand them all three, just like you would if it was just your DL and your state CCW.


Itís also another hundred for the holster I need so I can carry.  Guns are not cheap to own and use.
You should be able to find a good one for less than that.  There are hybrid holsters (kydex/leather) on amazon for ~40$ and very high quality IWB full kydex holsters for about 50 bucks.  I would reccomend full kydex or plastic-injection molded.  Here are some links.
Hybrid:  infusedkydex_usa (2259) on ebay 35$+/- (http://"http://r.ebay.com/lAlmJU")
Aliengear:  AlienGear IWB Hybrid 50$+/- (http://"http://aliengearholsters.com/sw-bodyguard-380-auto-w-integrated-laser-iwb-holster.html")
Full kydex IWB:  We the People Holsters 50$+/- (http://"https://wethepeopleholsters.com/products/smith-wesson-m-p-bodyguard-380-iwb-kydex-holster-for-concealment-wethepeopleholsters?variant=37430143505&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv73VBRCdARIsAOnG8u1TBuqlPjfVTmvbDCOeWxUag-dk6NHFp1avT2jhyKLTWCylJAyhqVYaAhj_EALw_wcB")


I plan to carry a S&W body guard. Itís a 380 caliber. Which may be all they come in but Iím in the learning phase so thatís what I know. I didnít pick mine or I would have gone with a sig saur P938 9mm.  Someone in my class had one and I liked it. They advised us to carry the highest caliber gun your comfortable with but I already owned the 380.  My gun collection is what I had left after a divorce.  My other gun is a 9mm ruger and itís more comfortable to hold and shoot but itís quite heavy and big.  I do like the bigger magazine.  They taught us our accuracy rate would be 2 out of 10 shots would hit the target, stressed situation assumed, not target practice. First thought was why bother but itís better than having nothing. 
Its 1,000,000 times more about placement of shots than caliber.  I don't care what the caliber wars rants say, if you shoot someone center chest, the .25" difference in permanent wound cavity wont matter.  In other words, practice and range time would help drastically more than a bigger round...


Sometimes Iíd like to swap it all for the sig saur and have nothing but 9mm amo. But I find I like having two guns in my house.  Loaded and ready to go.  One in the living room and the other by my bed.  They also recommend you have some kind of backup so I have knives near them, and in other places.  Plus extra loaded magazines and all hollow point bullets.  I have a small home and the neighbors are close, pius I rent out my basement.  I donít want the bullets to travel that far. 
If there are kids in the house (or if there are any visitors, really), you need a fast access safe or trigger locks.  Also, a short barreled shotgun makes for an (generally) easier home defense gun IMO.  Pistol is fine, but if you aren't willing to put in the range time, a shotgun makes more sense a lot of the time.


I used to be more nervous but Iím getting more comfortable.  I can load and unload the guns and I practice doing that plus dry shooting, if thatís what itís called. Not long ago all I knew how to handle was a revolver. 
Use snapcaps for dry firing practice.  And if you are willing to spring for it, a Mantis X system as described above.  If ranges are plentiful / affordable, real range time is hard to beat with dry fire.


Iím going to my brothers farm in the south and I plan to shoot tons of amo.  I read somewhere that you should run several hundred rounds through the gun you plan to carry to make sure itís reliable.  Thatís smart. I do know what I have has barely been used. When I get my money in better order Iíd like to visit a range monthly for practice but for now I just handle them at home then set them aside with the safety on.
I would say as a start, 200 rounds standard, 300 rounds from concealment (however you plan to carry) and another 100 strong hand only / 100 weak hand only.  That generally gets you to base-level proficiency with some coaching.  If you can fit that in a weekend, more power to you, but most people benefit from real coaching by an experienced (and proven) shooter (IE not 'cousin eddie who has shot his whole life with bad technique).


Education is key for me and I feel better.  I was in a sticky situation once and I tried to unload a gun, thinking if I pulled back on the top the bullet would pop out, well yeah thatís true except the magazine was full so all I did was put one in the chamber. Ugh. I put the safety on and got out of there.  It was unnerving to say the least and I donít want that to happen again. Now I know what to do.
As stated above (somewhere), everybody whether they are "into" guns or not needs to know how to unload, secure and handle a firearm safely.  If you have friends who aren't "gun people", you can be a good source of information to help educate the general public (when you are comfortable doing so).


What I need to do more is act like Iím carrying and be aware of the places I visit, notice if they have signs visible or not, most of my favorite stores donít allow it. I frequent the dog park and I know I canít carry there. Thatís all disappointing. Post offices are a big no no. I go on base a lot but they allow it in your car so thatís good.
Ya thats sad...  LTC (CCW) Holder basically never commit crimes, and gun-free zones are often ignored by those intending to commit crimes.  Its not a good solution, despite how widespread its implementation...
Sources for that statement:
Report on LTC carriers rarely commiting crimes, and basically not committing certain crimes (http://"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518334/)
Raw Texas LTC data on convictions (http://"https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/convrates.htm")
Article about one of the reports (http://"http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/report-finds-these-gun-owners-are-least-likely-criminals-17355")
Article about the (non)likelyhood of a CCW to commit crime compared to LEO (http://"https://www.dailywire.com/news/8255/report-concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-most-law-aaron-bandler")
The original (I believe) article about the report (http://"https://crimeresearch.org/2015/02/comparing-conviction-rates-between-police-and-concealed-carry-permit-holders/")

BS Article that someone will probably present as counter-evidence which defines "mass shooting" as three people and expands the data set to over a decade in order to try to prove a point (http://"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/26/people-with-concealed-carry-permits-have-committed-at-least-29-mass-shootings-since-2007/?utm_term=.38e1b31dc6f0")
And...  This article still states the following:
Quote
And the overwhelming majority of people who have a concealed carry permit are responsible law-abiding citizens. They will never be involved in a mass shooting in any capacity, either as a good guy or a bad guy with a gun.



Honestly I have an unstable ex that lives a mile away and his mistress or whatever seems nuts to me.  If Iím going to be a victim Iíd like to at least go down trying. I watch too much dateline.
Sounds like a great reason to obtain a CCW...


FYI, for some perspective I did some competition shooting at the youth level and my wife has the bodyguard .380 (w/o laser).  Its a great gun overall.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 19, 2018, 06:46:50 PM
Agreed that nothing can substitute for live fire practice.  Dry fire practice is better than nothing, but going to the range is invaluable.  You have to learn how to not flinch while pulling the trigger.

For my work on MantisX, I've been going to the range 2-3x per week and firing a couple hundred rounds each time.  You really learn not to be afraid of the recoil, and that is a huge step.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: SharkStomper on March 19, 2018, 07:29:19 PM
I almost always carry a Glock 19 and the wife carries my S&W air weight 38 that she's claimed as hers.  We both carry OWB at 4 o'clock in leather holsters that I made.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JLee on March 19, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
Agreed that nothing can substitute for live fire practice.  Dry fire practice is better than nothing, but going to the range is invaluable.  You have to learn how to not flinch while pulling the trigger.

For my work on MantisX, I've been going to the range 2-3x per week and firing a couple hundred rounds each time.  You really learn not to be afraid of the recoil, and that is a huge step.

Dry fire can help you learn how to not flinch - better yet, have someone else mix snap caps in your magazine with live ammo so you don't know what's where.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on March 19, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
Hey Texasrunner, thanks for the thoughtful advice.  I had edited my post and took out some of the ďcrazinessĒ, didnít want to appear nuts but it is what it is, an unfortunate truth. But you got it all in your reply. Thatís cool.

My Texas CCW expired my last birthday and it was just way too complicated to renew since I didnít have a TX DL anymore.  But I believe my new one or Florida will cover me I donít remember but I know Florida is easier to get than Texas.  Iím starting my application tomorrow. Itís time.

The holster I want is designed for yoga pants, soft clothes etc. Its basically a wide elastic belt you wear over any of your clothes.  Since Iím mostly in that style I thought that was best but itís pricey. Thatís another thing to practice, actually drawing your gun from the holster. Iíll do some more research but I imagine itís harder for women to carry even though mom jeans are coming back lol.

I hadnít even thought of a shotgun for home defense. I really like that idea.  My house is only 900sq feet so there isnt time to go somewhere and open a safe.  This concerns me in getting a safe. If someone comes in my front door theyíre right there in my space. No foyer, halls etc to run to. Getting my gun fast is critical.  Iím alone but I do have my kids over, adults. And I did have a friend over recently and it did occur to me if she would look on top of my bookcase she could see the edge of my gun.   Safes are smart so maybe Iíll get one and put them away for company. Thatís seems like the best option. I donít want to offend anyone either. Iím just worried I couldnít get my gun quick enough. Another thing to practice.  And buy. Not a cheap sport.

My brother is a career officer and guns are his hobby. I had actually just shot with him and he was teaching me grips etc just three days before my incident but they were loading my gun for me and I was focused on my grip and hitting my target. Pisses me off I couldnít figure out how to unload the gun and messed it up like it did. My ex told everyone I was trying to set him up to kill himself and that I was suicidal yet I wasnít the drunk one. It was hell. More motivation to get this stuff right. Guns donít make me nervous anymore. Iím looking forward to shooting a ton at his place and maybe having some fun shooting some shit up!  I was just dying to shoot my pumpkin last fall but I couldnít. I gave it to some guys working on my house when they told me they were going hunting.  Shoot my pumpkin please. Lol.

Youíre right about educating others. Iíve told my kids about the guns and theyíre location and showed them what I learned.  I want to give them the class as a Christmas present.  It was a two day course and I found it very helpful. Much better than the Texas CCW class. 


Iím glad you like the bodyguard. Mine does have the laser but its off a tad.  I point it at my crystal door knobs and make a little light show.

Thanks for your advice.





Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JLee on March 19, 2018, 08:31:00 PM
If you're that afraid of someone coming into your house to hurt you that you have multiple firearms, magazines, and knives stashed all over the house, I'd strongly encourage you to do something to make the house itself more secure.

https://lifehacker.com/5887264/how-to-cleverly-secure-your-home-against-intruders
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on March 19, 2018, 08:52:29 PM
If you're that afraid of someone coming into your house to hurt you that you have multiple firearms, magazines, and knives stashed all over the house, I'd strongly encourage you to do something to make the house itself more secure.

https://lifehacker.com/5887264/how-to-cleverly-secure-your-home-against-intruders

Donít think that Iím ďthat afraidĒ but yes I am concerned, Iíve just had so much craziness recently and itís opened my eyes a lot. Plus Iím 47 and recently lived alone for the first time in my life. My daughter and husband now rent my basement but we live completely separate, entrances etc. I do like more cars in the driveway. I actually use my garage so it used to look like no one was home. 

Thanks for the link.  Iíve done a lot of that already but there is more. I was thinking of some fake security signs.  Maybe an outside camera.  My ex used to walk a lot at night and with the weather warming up I am concerned he might come around. I could look at the footage and see if he came by.  Itís a small Midwest town and bars are plenty.  So far heís leaving me alone but it makes me wonder.  I always look around but one night I was letting my dogs out really late and I just went out the door without checking and there was a drunk dude walking down the street.  Scared me but he was perfectly friendly, we exchanged hellos and I just went back inside.  Yeah I guess Iím scared.  Sucks.


Itís only two guns and a few knives.  Well and an asp. Lol
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: steviesterno on March 20, 2018, 05:05:57 AM
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I am a recovering 3 gun addict, and having a kid really eats into the time and budget required for it. I trained like 2-3x a week and competed every week. I used to work the matches so I could shoot them for free. I was sponsored by a powder company, so that certainly helped my reloading costs (which is already cheaper than buying factory). I would also win a bunch of prizes and sell them or use them to upgrade my gear over time. As an RO we got to keep brass, so I would stay late, clean up, and have a hundred pounds to sell after some matches. I was pretty hard core into it I guess.

Now I still compete but less frequently, and I still try and get to a local range almost every week if the weather is good. I have switched over to mostly 22s. I buy in bulk or when on sale, but I have set up 22 versions of my competition guns. this allows me to practice almost everything at 1/10th the cost per round. I host the local college's competitive team, so that helps pay for some of my range fees as well.

really, I budget for gun stuff. it's a serious hobby/passion of mine. so I take car of investing, then bills, then saving, then the left overs are mine. works out to maybe 2-300 a month if stuff doesn't come up. Like my lawn mower died, so that will come out of my gun/fun money so I don't need to touch the real emergency fund. So if I want a new gun, I need to save up a while for it. I'm also one of those people that is willing to trade/sell stuff I have to upgrade along the way. I know some people hoard and will never sell, but honestly a few nice things I use beats a pile of things I don't.

as far as carry, I have a few favorites. My most common is a shield 9mm performance center 9mm with TLR light/laser and sometimes a Hyve extended mag. that rides in custom leather, OWB. The other is a Les Baer TRS 45 with larry davidson grips that rides in a matching OWB leather holster. I'm in Texas and have been carrying in FL, PA, and TX for the better part of 15 years (shit that makes me seem old). I am more comfy with OWB and you don't need special pants, so that's nice. custom leather is more comfortable and not much more expensive than cheap kydex, lasts longer, holds it's value, and more comfy means I will more likely have it on when I need it. I'm not an attractive female (neither of those, actually) so I"m pretty sure nobody is looking at my hips when I walk around. I also OC a bit when I feel like it.

I enjoy shooting, working on and building guns, trying new stuff, and training, so I budget for it. If you buy good quality stuff at the a good price, it will hold value. I think guns can be a good store of value rather than just a true expense if you do it right. I sold a couple of things when my wife got cancer and we were trying to buy a house in the same summer, and didn't lose more than like $100. not bad, considering renting guns at the range is like $50 a pop. I wanted my Les Baer for years but waited until I found a worthwhile deal for me.


honestly once you start shooting in huge volume the cost of a gun is nothing. I couldn't decide between a Walther p99 and Glock 19 as my first pistol. the price difference was about $40 which seemed like a lot at the time. Well I splurged and got the p99. That got me into shooting. that got me into competing. That cost me easy $10k in ammunition going through that one pistol. that $40 doesn't super matter long term. :)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: topshot on March 20, 2018, 05:43:59 AM
Dry fire can help you learn how to not flinch - better yet, have someone else mix snap caps in your magazine with live ammo so you don't know what's where.
+100. I made up some dummy rounds which is much cheaper than snap caps if you have access to reloading gear.

The holster I want is designed for yoga pants, soft clothes etc. Its basically a wide elastic belt you wear over any of your clothes.  Since Iím mostly in that style I thought that was best but itís pricey. Thatís another thing to practice, actually drawing your gun from the holster. Iíll do some more research but I imagine itís harder for women to carry even though mom jeans are coming back lol.

I hadnít even thought of a shotgun for home defense. I really like that idea.  My house is only 900sq feet so there isnt time to go somewhere and open a safe.  This concerns me in getting a safe. If someone comes in my front door theyíre right there in my space. No foyer, halls etc to run to. Getting my gun fast is critical.
There are a variety of carry options for women that you can find but it depends on your shape, etc on which one(s) may work best for you and your firearm.

Frankly, I would always carry it, even in the house, especially given the concerns you have highlighted. If you subscribe to the Active Self Protection channel on youtube (which I highly recommend), you'll learn one of the lessons many people (esp women) don't follow is have your tools on your body (not in a purse, for example) or next to your bed if sleeping at all times. If someone were to break in and you weren't sitting next to your firearm, you likely wouldn't be able to get to it in time.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 20, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
@steviesterno thanks for chiming in! Iím currently having a hard time deciding how much $ Iím willing to put into it given the rest of our financial priorities. My next purchase will likely be a .22 target pistol, currently narrowed down to either SW Victory or a version of the Browning Buckmark. Donít like the Ruger designs much. I figure this will be a nice cheaper range toy for my practicing as well as a good way to start introducing my wife and kids (Iíll eventually also get a .22 rifle but Iím more familiar with pistols).

@Awesomeness Iíll +1 topshotís recommendation of the Active Self Protection channel. My favorite channel to learn from.

Iíll bring up a couple points of concern with some of your posts:

-The holster youíre describing sounds like itís soft-sided? Iíd worry about something being able to get into the trigger guard, which is quite dangerous if you carry round in the chamber as is recommended. I think Crossbreed carries a belly band style holster that has some kydex for more safety around the trigger, but folks like the guy on the ASP channel have issues with hybrid holsters altogether. 

-Iíve not shot small .380 guns, only small 9mm ones. Small guns are often much more challenging to shoot, both because theyíre harder to control and they recoil much more. So if you struggle a lot, consider that a bigger gun is typically easier to shoot, even if you only use the bigger gun as a range tool to develop your skills.

-when it comes to practicing, dry fire regularly is good, and I find short range sessions of 100-150 rounds max done frequently much more helpful than one big shoot day once in a great while.

$150 for CCW is steep, yikes. Mine was only $40 and has reciprocity with a lot of the states I travel to, though sadly the states I spend the most time in because of family are quite difficult to get a permit for (MD and NJ).
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JLee on March 20, 2018, 05:17:18 PM
I can't carry anymore as I live in NJ and am no longer in law enforcement so state laws apply to me again...but I went to a friend's place out of state over the weekend and reminded myself I can still shoot (we ran through a few handguns and several rifles).  It was a good time...felt like home. pic (https://i.imgur.com/ETf5XQf.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on March 20, 2018, 08:06:11 PM
Just watched several of those videos. Good stuff.  Yíall are great. Got the application started. Ended up having to phone it in. The website wouldnít load and keep all my recent address, I had nine the last ten years. Lol.  I hit next and it logs me out and takes me to the sign in page. Do it again and hit save and the same thing.  So Iíll get my paper application in the mail, sign it, submit a pic and my training certificate and the wait begins.

The holster is all elastic, Iíll look into more options. I do know the bodyguard has the really hard trigger pull and I always keep one in the chamber but the safety is on.  Iíll practice drawing and turning that safety off. 

I really want the license for walks or being in my yard or garage.  More worried about a ďpersonalĒ attack than random. I did have my purse stolen out of my hand but that was 30 years ago. 

Stuff is getting close to home so they say. My son is at Texas Tech and he was there on lockdown when that student shot and killed that campus police officer last October.  No one with him was carrying but his friends were hiding with a couple students that had guns. The campus allows them to carry but not keep them in the dorms.

I lived in MD not far from the Great Mills HS.  My friend works in that district and her school was where the parents were meeting to get their kids.  Shook her up. It was a hard day.  Tough stuff to say the least.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: ohsnap on March 21, 2018, 10:13:41 AM
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$150 for CCW is steep, yikes. Mine was only $40 and has reciprocity with a lot of the states I travel to, though sadly the states I spend the most time in because of family are quite difficult to get a permit for (MD and NJ).

You all are very lucky!  In my county, it costs at least $404 for a 2-year permit.  And that's if you can get it.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on March 21, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
It is expensive to get in NY (about $200 between fees, training and fingerprints) but it's good for life.  I'd have a hard time paying a recurring fee.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on March 21, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)

I preordered one from my local shop and it should be shipping out around June.  It's pretty amazing how it's able to hold 10 rounds in such a small package.  I may open up a cash back credit card to get the gun a little cheaper.

Once it arrives can you please share your thoughts and experiences.  I am very interested in the gun but waiting for all the kinks to be figured out and fixed if there are any.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on March 21, 2018, 03:27:06 PM
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$150 for CCW is steep, yikes. Mine was only $40 and has reciprocity with a lot of the states I travel to, though sadly the states I spend the most time in because of family are quite difficult to get a permit for (MD and NJ).

You all are very lucky!  In my county, it costs at least $404 for a 2-year permit.  And that's if you can get it.

150$ and itís good for 5 years, bummer is the renewal is 150$ as well, I hope you donít need to take the class again but you probably do. I got the class for 99$ which I was happy to pay, regular price was 175$ but they had a special. 
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: rlogue06 on March 22, 2018, 09:44:03 PM
Sig p938 & Glock 26 - much more comfortable to carry the Sig, but I really feel like the Glock is touch to beat. 
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 23, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
I find anyoneís following the story about YouTube cracking down on gun videos, should really read the Facebook posts from InRangeTV and Forgotten Weapons. Karl and Ian are making YouTube look like massive tools considering YouTube is littered with easily videos featuring actually illegal activity. Those are two of my favorite channels, very level headed guys free from a lot of the inflammatory rhetoric a lot of gun channels get into.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on March 23, 2018, 06:49:50 AM
It is expensive to get in NY (about $200 between fees, training and fingerprints) but it's good for life.  I'd have a hard time paying a recurring fee.

My wife let hers expire because of the recurring fee.  She really only used it to make carrying the weapon to/from the range more stress free anyways (non-CCW transport law requirements with her type of car really aren't compatible, but we can just use my car).
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 23, 2018, 06:54:47 AM
WI has a recurring fee, but the renewal is every 5 years and Iím pretty sure itís only $20, mainly to cover cost of background check.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Fishindude on March 23, 2018, 08:09:05 AM
We can open carry without a permit, bought the lifetime conceal carry permit when they became available, was only $75.  Hunt and shoot all the time, always have a gun somewhere pretty close and handy.   We live in the country so I can do all of the shooting I want in the back yard, no need to go to a range, however I am a member of a gun club.   Typical carry gun is either a Walther P-22 or Colt Woodsman .22.   Prefer the .22's because they are light and compact, cheap to shoot, and more often than not they are being used to dispatch a coon or coyote, or just plinking.

I don't fear bad guys and rarely walk around with a concealed hand gun, keep one in the truck and always have something handy around home.   Not much violent crime around here, but I do get a little edgy when overnighting in a big city or someplace foreign to me, so usually stick a pistol in my bag.

Guns are kind of my thing, probably own 50 or more and have enough ammo laying around to outfit a couple swat teams.


Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on May 05, 2018, 11:21:56 PM
So I made it out to the NRA show today.  Figured there are a few on here that might be interested in that (and that this was a good thread to mention it in).

Great show!  Got to see a ton of cool products and things in person that you normally don't get the chance to handle before buying online.  One of which being the Mantis-X System (which a did buy one.  Excited for the training tool!)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/IskZ-r-NAaIBVZHo0WJyOXTL3cS7WaWyvvKyLnoHUYY2m9F_8EFFz0XbNT24uL6tY3hBWTQLLBI1UC51j-C_1B65JuT_nK3SibVKQY_8ebWoN9SYJJr0dS7TzUohL5ajoymP5oub0kRW0xjEC8IZQLWNPrY5vsfg1m7L7yvVNG_VhNrVW5yznk7nrjYU6rut0A0gyaf7jt4kP2PgRZplM6HurA6bktVkONdRxiqtnzD6_yuhV0-XON8uk1qD6s51p5O3RG8qu_8SGfDLw7cnDTZyFFnuzeOQ0ijp05XFoHfwFtGuJ43PQyEkQHsbGMw7C8QSG_r8Jtl76QmDnX06HFlvGagfEvaq8yHqzcSLg6xawxazW1kp1Ayz6qn-igcMMzkmlEMFNQ8X_GBG6x0iVYPCPG09ls23nHtPQUOvBJMbOhAY2U7WA3kzX2icYCuohmm1nEV5W984ZSxAazbw0vdaBK_dX_Pu3KuZYpd4aKovlnYsB3AO7ip_je6lVxJiDGxzTXoVbzB-KtA4N2GuNO7YhlfzGOv4x5a39LL6GBb-WPEiTf49_XRC0XCELFVOzClb9558df6PoBdZslGl63kOKUV9DQooqfrEQgD6fu4vSrV76r_FMvYEKXA57uCz6jIRKduZjAXDj8YoefacepmA6Mx15w4r=w1240-h930-no?.jpg)

A close up of some of the cooler stuffs.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_HkBxwgrdTitIIXDqCDuZ5qoGcgDYTp27WLT0EmIqE1F74Wamjm7PExe3a8j2HjY2ydzH7Lfe9KkqQM3obc_YwsEwbcLIa5AzmSKaKAHiAvjb_7DZAxTKWmYubSAyrz5gTqrwH--pOnvZiL5UeGhbyRPPAllyWW6NT0716ECyGvLyhIAH2CtRjGfMvohi87hmCZhCMmFzmNK0qC4_00KEOl7CKYAy0FhtWH15M-Q4qYFHgjGTJIDOr5PfktXLxF3tv0wYJXWOlmM3iom6DP37icJBZm6E5oWdKNBOZlBIQ28JlMFV1Hakic1ejBMc7MtvJ5ZU3oIr3z_HMyF6mBV4UraGuCw3JjylyO42CRqgkEIHEEIeTtgVbjc75fDSpCRT8KtsDZ1-VhVOh9h2Xf8iAKdIPZThxl1wu6d3SCQNHoMLaCq6Chbs-yyjKNysFikjfYXjWuUYlKF-nZ-Gj9yBrC1Ts6ZB7kjUVJoJFOZNGswBxdRxSuB6x6qPDOxnBHs3JpteSUs8-fifI7kp-Vi_g6YCK4EBD94J9-Epun5rfEyrXyJnWsZPiYkKAKc-7IR3ObjnSJzgQ7Q3K2OQJIJW5qMVm5GsRux3izS3jFDIJiluSm8aE2AUcqVVWTRzza90BsvQPFkKFEdYcgEQG6t-zAgx0DCax9v=w1550-h930-no?.jpg)

Also got 'on the board' for the mantis-X system.  92.2/100.  :)
@zolotiyeruki I didn't wander around aimlessly and ask "Who here is on MMM" (lol) so I don't think I got to meet you (if you were there), but great product!  The app is really smooth and it looks like you guys listen to suggestions because I re-iterated the "add notes" feature and it's already been pushed out on the platform.  Nice work.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z-oDOnDQFZiOWTEA4fTN3OihlvhfsNmObLqszkt73n7zgRF9Q_5P5aoieorOABaWkvdvZGRI8_E_3nGSbiSAgCS__wtl0mSGZYnY6wYhT23i-XUbIJ1JJ9TcaJrafmMA3OxUtYRw2Yls6-wiUd0lvtPnOqQhvVZO1wy1ZTI9wtigM1nCgE21DQotqZQAmpQSOuljVEWedAPz-pXSqXyp46rkDZZFUlKjoJnd1DpDcnW3BxE0XnVPoPim-kka-kiqPW7LZvVWMmjCIALdh8617cumiBUJXaGpRm-7PRZ0cfM9sTwhsvXclZdqYLtqkE5X_MX0O71-9iDmKLO9Hz_-Sp93xN0-JnPapbMPqGWs97R_hjYGCEPJDlBM_mihUZicEuQYJXc7lJA4xERrZVzRMGyuVyncdur1WHulj98TsZCzgXqDmZrvpYscp8QTfLs1dEZqYXuWTFlBTtI4gmH0cZCAD3ueb-BhOLN17i-xKYT8aEhAlYoFZxKzs7R4FNBUKFBv7EXv4s1FKeY-A1N_E34lwGBubN_57-KDj5rSC-OC7rXCRPAvV0dqHZwKhWs8wvsWlCi43VSY_S0fXpRar7dsQvQAfNj5UUKdY8bX3cvERn_kj0BT1Se_Qm3tXuzAxkK8TkCuIJqsmaQcnitI9wy0Ilbugo5y=w896-h930-no?.jpg)

And met John Correia of the YouTube Channel "active Self Protection".  Good stuff.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7D9DJPcULCX6QH6CAm_JB8o3HdzowhR9Um2zepEq-BjQo7m0tgbhSqhZljrBRHtX_7EDpDCcHd3er4v2_vEQBiECmfzGYTgcSkT-2Vi-RY4t0XzVXpSZyDRBbpMhgh1ZhxogJKUKC0IrbfLIzXyIoCc4qCvbkREWBEhI9ul5aZrFBSOeUv0HeO766iRWcZ3LdwxY718v3qYsyJ-dnQR17MTcgGrODnaAVR4e8Oz1WDC9MFo92JNlmobGvkZtRqtahQrTCsfrbWY-gleRpxbXoiwv8pdQAFVR7-pdZRT1D7QIghDcrujDsEYO4ITlr9RUV1gWkBpNabzJpYtt-k6wCLQRM8kVLwr38_Pm3d1AuaXArvOY9P04FarcwiVw2pzbeIO9wiOFrTBJEgRf4uzhmkOD6r0PQrr3cvko1W41BDDQtCWQuGS8tJCZtpem0niwhblYcThGW2yqPq8PSP_CiFN97Edk9JlrGl4RSzFBi95Pp2bJBEOk31DJQCKVA4xfCVu8wPVXpr3Tl2NeYvim2r5uW93YBEHytSN7nuzEoLsvZ1ogI4qNwUrVnlBjAgyHfCFKgPWxBVUmj-W_uVovAM7jL6gEk-fzAGNn3qAt6agVGzAch_WhPXvVvmeyd8bexKwPy1LRkQRhRk_c2mXJ3eTsDxdA6llQ=w698-h930-no?.jpg)


Also, found out I'm not even remotely Internet Anon anymore, so no biggie with the pictures.  Some here might like them.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on May 05, 2018, 11:36:29 PM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)

I preordered one from my local shop and it should be shipping out around June.  It's pretty amazing how it's able to hold 10 rounds in such a small package.  I may open up a cash back credit card to get the gun a little cheaper.

Once it arrives can you please share your thoughts and experiences.  I am very interested in the gun but waiting for all the kinks to be figured out and fixed if there are any.

@Full_Beard Have you been able to try out the P365?  I held one today at the show and it fit like a glove....  Seemed really well built with a nice crisp pull.
Any thoughts on how it shoots?

We can go to PM if you want.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on May 06, 2018, 04:57:26 AM
Very cool, John is someone Iíd love to meet some day!

Iíve been meaning to update in here, loving AIWB the more I do it, especially as I continue to lose weight. I can even comfortably carry that way when bicycling now.

My only gripe is that the holster I bought doesnít have holes for adjusting ride height. Itís  a bit low next to the belt to get a really good grip when first drawing. I should modify it soon, thereís enough space on the kydex to move the clip mount a bit lower.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on May 06, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
@TexasRunner Aw, man, you should have mentioned MMM when you visited our booth--I was there all day!  Congrats on getting on the leaderboard--that's not an easy task.

I got to shoot the P365 a week ago at one of John Correia's training classes.  I'm not a trigger snob, so I can't tell you much about that, but I love that it fits 10+1 in such a small frame.  It fits in the hand nicely, and recoil is about what you'd expect from a 9mm of that size.

John is a super cool guy--when we're at the same show, he often hangs out at the MantisX booth a couple times each day when he's not working the HK booth.  The rest of his folks (Neil, John, Mason, Steph) are awesome people as well.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on May 07, 2018, 10:21:51 AM
Anyone here tried a Barska scope before? 

I picked one up for my AR-10 because it was so ridiculously cheap and seems to have overwhelmingly good reviews.  I figured even if it doesn't work out well for me, it will be a worthwhile experiment.  So far I've only done dry firing with it, still need to get to the range and (try to) sight it in.  :-)  Dry firing and sighting objects it's very nearly as good as the much pricier Leupold I have on my LAR-9.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Thegoblinchief on May 15, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
Local farm and barn dramatically increased their gun section (like 4x what it used to be). Handled a HK VP9 today. Damn thatís a sweet gun. Might be my new carry piece. By the time I have the $ the Sig P365 should be in better supply, as Iíd like to compare that.

The guy at the counter said he got to handle the 365 the other day but it sold within 45 minutes of coming in the store, lol.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on May 15, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
Anyone here tried a Barska scope before? 

I picked one up for my AR-10 because it was so ridiculously cheap and seems to have overwhelmingly good reviews.  I figured even if it doesn't work out well for me, it will be a worthwhile experiment.  So far I've only done dry firing with it, still need to get to the range and (try to) sight it in.  :-)  Dry firing and sighting objects it's very nearly as good as the much pricier Leupold I have on my LAR-9.

If you get one, let me know what you think.

I'm looking at the Trijicon VCOG 1-6x24 Riflescope Illuminated Red VC16-C-1600012 Horseshoe Dot 7.62 but the 1800 - 2100 price range is kinda hard to work with.

I'm still looking for scope with drop compensators for 7.62NATO insead of 5.56 but they seem to be few and far between.....
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: skip207 on May 26, 2018, 02:31:06 PM
Does it have to be FFP?

I shoot a Primary Arms 1-6 with ACSS.  Very good scope for the money but its SFP. 

I run an AD mount and its been rock solid for 6 months now and I am not gentle on my rifle.

Part number is PA1-6X24SFP-ACSS-300BO-WG
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: Awesomeness on May 26, 2018, 04:49:12 PM
My big shooting event at my brothers was a bust.  I got two rounds out then sliced my hand because of my grip, heís all about doing it right and it was felt different than what I had just learned. Plus it was my Smith and Wesson 380 bodyguard and itís so small.  Made me so queasy I almost passed out so I spent a good half hour on the floor of his garage with my feet up, probably needed stitches but whatever. It was kind of funny and Iíll have a scar as a souvenir of that day. But my son shot first and he had fun. 
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: TexasRunner on May 26, 2018, 09:23:24 PM
My big shooting event at my brothers was a bust.  I got two rounds out then sliced my hand because of my grip, heís all about doing it right and it was felt different than what I had just learned. Plus it was my Smith and Wesson 380 bodyguard and itís so small.  Made me so queasy I almost passed out so I spent a good half hour on the floor of his garage with my feet up, probably needed stitches but whatever. It was kind of funny and Iíll have a scar as a souvenir of that day. But my son shot first and he had fun.

Ya...  that gun is tiny and the slide has some decent travel (by comparison...).  You know when they say high as possible on the grip, there IS a limit to that advice.  lol
Sorry bout the messed up weekend.  :/

Medical stapler's are quite nice to have on hand.  ;)
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: BlueMR2 on May 27, 2018, 05:41:57 PM
Ouch.  I was at the local plinking range a few years ago when a guy there got a serious case of slide bite from a Ruger LCP.  Not a fan of those, not just the high risk of slide bite, but the muzzle is so short that it looks just a bit too easy to get one's finger around the muzzle instead of where it belongs.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: JLee on May 28, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Ouch.  I was at the local plinking range a few years ago when a guy there got a serious case of slide bite from a Ruger LCP.  Not a fan of those, not just the high risk of slide bite, but the muzzle is so short that it looks just a bit too easy to get one's finger around the muzzle instead of where it belongs.

I don't have a problem with the muzzle length on my LCP, but the trigger is the worst I have ever experienced.
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on May 31, 2018, 11:47:18 PM
Ouch.  I was at the local plinking range a few years ago when a guy there got a serious case of slide bite from a Ruger LCP.  Not a fan of those, not just the high risk of slide bite, but the muzzle is so short that it looks just a bit too easy to get one's finger around the muzzle instead of where it belongs.

I don't have a problem with the muzzle length on my LCP, but the trigger is the worst I have ever experienced.

Me too, not a big fan of the trigger on those Ruggers. 
Title: Re: Mustachian CCW holders?
Post by: EnjoyIt on June 01, 2018, 12:06:13 AM
Cave any of you seen the new Sig p365.  I have yet to try it out, but love the idea of 10+1 9mm but the size of the glock 43 or the S+W shield. 

I will wait a year before the kinks are worked out of it and maybe purchase it for my new CHL.

https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/ (https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/)

I preordered one from my local shop and it should be shipping out around June.  It's pretty amazing how it's able to hold 10 rounds in such a small package.  I may open up a cash back credit card to get the gun a little cheaper.

Once it arrives can you please share your thoughts and experiences.  I am very interested in the gun but waiting for all the kinks to be figured out and fixed if there are any.

@Full_Beard Have you been able to try out the P365?  I held one today at the show and it fit like a glove....  Seemed really well built with a nice crisp pull.
Any thoughts on how it shoots?

We can go to PM if you want.

Thanks!

Regarding the p365 I have seen many complaints about the striker failing relatively early.  Sig has been making a few revisions on the weapon since it has been released. Personally I do not think it is time to buy just yet.  Also, when/if I do purchase the pistol I will make sure it is one of the later revisions.  I'm looking at likely early 2019.