Author Topic: Most frugal way to travel 20km of country highway, summer and harsh winter?  (Read 1331 times)

Lanerdros

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Hello everyone,

I may soon need to travel, for my commute, 20km of country highway. My area spends 6 months of the year with the great outdoors covered in snow and ice. Obviously, a frugal car is an option. This runs about $5kCAD/year, all things considered, if used every day in my situation. However,  there must be a better way to do this. Here are my ideas:

-During months when the road is not packed in snow, bike. I reckon this 20km ride will take me about 40m, given that I can travel about one kilometer every 2 minutes on my bike when I am going straight. I would bike on the wrong side of the road, just off the shoulder, and thus be easily able to go off onto the grass when a car is coming as I would see it coming. This will likely be far safer and more efficient than driving at the cost of adding 20 minutes both ways, though it does do cardio! Fortunately, I'd only be working 3-4 shifts a week (yay 12 hour shifts!) saving me a lot of commuting time.
-When I must drive, I could hypermile.

I am really not able to come up with any ideas for non-car commuting in the winter. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Hello everyone,

I may soon need to travel, for my commute, 20km of country highway. My area spends 6 months of the year with the great outdoors covered in snow and ice. Obviously, a frugal car is an option. This runs about $5kCAD/year, all things considered, if used every day in my situation. However,  there must be a better way to do this. Here are my ideas:

-During months when the road is not packed in snow, bike. I reckon this 20km ride will take me about 40m, given that I can travel about one kilometer every 2 minutes on my bike when I am going straight. I would bike on the wrong side of the road, just off the shoulder, and thus be easily able to go off onto the grass when a car is coming as I would see it coming. This will likely be far safer and more efficient than driving at the cost of adding 20 minutes both ways, though it does do cardio! Fortunately, I'd only be working 3-4 shifts a week (yay 12 hour shifts!) saving me a lot of commuting time.
-When I must drive, I could hypermile.

I am really not able to come up with any ideas for non-car commuting in the winter. Does anyone have any ideas?

If you put studded tired on the bike during winter, you can bike most of the days.

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Bus? Carpool? Horse? Sled dog?

If it were me I would just get a cheap old Corolla and drive when the weather was too cold or wet for biking.

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If your country highway is like my country highway, there may not be enough shoulder cleared to bike in winter, and definitely no wide places to pull off.   A beater car with good snow tires would work.  Make sure the car insurance company knows how much mileage you will be putting on the car, since there are different rates depending on usage and where (generally) you are driving.

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Heavily terrain-dependent, but could you ski it in the winter? That would be very badass.

Lanerdros

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If your country highway is like my country highway, there may not be enough shoulder cleared to bike in winter, and definitely no wide places to pull off.   A beater car with good snow tires would work.  Make sure the car insurance company knows how much mileage you will be putting on the car, since there are different rates depending on usage and where (generally) you are driving.

Fortunately, It's a fairly substantial country highway. Nice and wide, two lanes in both directions, well-paved. I will make sure about that insurance, thank you!

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How about an electric car? For 20 miles a day you don't need one with long range. How about a Nissan Leave with good winter tires?

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How about an electric car? For 20 miles a day you don't need one with long range. How about a Nissan Leave with good winter tires?

The upfront cost of a new Leaf would likely make it not the cheapest option. An older, used Leaf with a degraded battery may not actually have the range for a round trip in winter.

My suggestion, if you're at all handy, the first generation Honda Insight is phenomenally cheap to operate - at 50mph, one in good repair can approach 2.3L/100km (100mpg). They're rare, but examples of these cars can also be found for less than $1,000. They have a few quirks and issues which are easy DIY fixes but would otherwise cost big money to have a dealer fix, so I wouldn't recommend one to someone who isn't open to doing some of their own wrenching.

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My first option would be to find a carpool.  Second is a cheap car.  Biking would not even be on the table for me.  I live in the same kind of climate, where winter weather can change drastically in hours, making a nice morning ride to work turn into a miserable wet/foggy/snowy/icy ride home.  Plus if it’s a truck route, getting buffeted by semis is not my idea of a good time.  And summer could be very hot, arriving at work a sweaty mess.  I guess you could do it some days, but full time?  Doubtful.

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Ok so I think about this a lot myself, although I have the opposite problem, I live in the big city of Toronto and my biggest concern is getting hit by a car.  I live 10km from my office and I do bike there in the summer.  I've been doing some research on this trying to find the perfect personal transport vehicle for winter.  So here are my thoughts:

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1/For those who say it's too cold in the winter in Canada to bike, I say we are at least as tough as the Finns (see link below)..  Dress warm...  As Plina noted, you could get a studded tire on your bike.  Full disclosure, I haven't attempted this myself, I need to buy a beater bike, because I don't want to get salt on my current bike because of rust.

https://www.boredpanda.com/students-bicycle-school-winter-snow-oulu-finland/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

2/Everything mentioned in 1/, but with add an e-Bike kit to your current bike.  Would speed things up especially if your ride is hilly and windy.

3/And now for something completely different, and I know they aren't Mustachian per se, but I'd love to get one and test them out year round.

Rugged Electric Scooter (this one is too expensive but cool).  There are several two wheel drive versions as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grd8d4zTnAY

Electric Unicycle (I know they look dorky, but to me they might be the perfect last mile personal transport technology).  I think we need to make a Canadian version of this, made specifically for snow and ice, with a winter or studded tire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnRdbn4KCJw

Other Cool Vehicles
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/track1-the-world-s-most-capable-off-road-eboard#/

I do envy people that live in a relatively warm climate year round, it does make the choices easier.






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Re: Most frugal way to travel 20km of country highway, summer and harsh winter?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2021, 07:25:44 PM »
Another vote for a cheap winter beater. I suspect you'll end up spending more working out alternative solutions, or worse, risking your life to save a few dollars.

I also live on a rural blacktop, approximately 20km from town and in an area where winter can last 6 months. During peak winter, days are short so it's dark in the morning, and dark in the evening. Visibility is limited and motorists are half asleep on their commute in, and their minds are 'at home' on the drive back. Or worse, they have the sun directly in their eyes both ways. Not a good combo.

With icy roads, they can't stop anyway. And most are in SUVs and large trucks doing 60MPH with half-clear windshields and not expecting a cyclist. Even if you can find purchase with studded bike tires, you've got salt spray and slush from vehicles. Frozen ruts if you have any sun during the day.

And then weather to deal with. Here in the US midwest, there are days where frost bite will set in within 15 minutes exposure, slightly longer if you have the best winter gear. One tumble or accident and you literally risk your life due to exposure. And I don't know about plow schedules, but winging and shoulder clearing usually happens much later than primary pavement clearing. Not great for cycling, especially when snowing over black ice.

Unfortunately, I suspect your costs are higher than here. I can find a good winter car for $1k, with $100/yr insurance, and let a couple credit card bonuses cover all the gas and maintenance for the year.

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@Lanerdros  I'm all for biking in the winter (I'm planning to bike today after a fresh snow), but I'd never ride a four lane highway in the winter.  Even with studs, you can crash.  You don't want to crash with high speed, high volume traffic right next to you.

I'd get a beater car that gets good gas mileage while you figure out a better situation.

I've lived a few places where the only way out of the house/neighborhood involved high speed and/or high volume roads.  I felt absolutely trapped.  If I were in your shoes and this job were going to be at all long term, I'd at least consider moving to a location with better transportation options.  Sometimes the grass really is greener.

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Welcome! And congratulations on looking into cycling as a commute option, it's been a life changer for me.

I would bike on the wrong side of the road, just off the shoulder, and thus be easily able to go off onto the grass when a car is coming as I would see it coming.

I had some great bike buddies starting out and I'm hoping to pay-it-forward. We're really not set up for success in knowing how to ride safely, we're not taught very much in driver's ed and many of us don't get much experience until we're adults. Your gut reaction to ride against traffic flow (aka "salmoning") is a common thought when we start out but it actually increases our chances of collisions/unsafe situations (and almost always illegal).
Unfortunately, bike education and resources aren't easily accessible or omnipresent in our lives so I've included a few places to learn more.

Great job creating a commute strategy, happy riding :)



https://www.triathlete.com/training/why-we-bike-with-not-against-traffic/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz7h0yJINMQ
http://www.bike.cornell.edu/pdfs/IB_09.pdf
https://roadbikebasics.com/ride-with-or-against-traffic/
https://www.pedbikeinfo.org/resources/resources_details.cfm?id=5166
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/road-positioning-cycling-explained
https://www.caa.ca/bike/on-the-road-cyclists/
https://bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/9033/why-is-it-safer-to-bike-with-traffic-instead-of-facing-oncoming-cars
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-safer-to-ride-your-bike-with-traffic-or-against-it

ETA a Canada reference
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I echo @GreenToTheCore on salmoning.  Ride with traffic. 

Also, if you are going to ride 30 kph for 45 minutes, be sure you have a shower at the other end!  ;)

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I would bike on the wrong side of the road, just off the shoulder, and thus be easily able to go off onto the grass when a car is coming as I would see it coming.

Counterintuitive, but it's safer to ride on the right side of the road.  If you want to see cars coming, get a mirror that clips to your helmet, which I'm sure you were already planning on wearing.  Definitely makes the ride less scary when you can see the single-occupant compensating trucks coming up behind you.  Wear bright colors.  I'd sooner ride without a helmet than without a bright-colored shirt.  I like those orange shirts that construction workers wear. 

Also, see if there's a lower-traffic/more fun route you can take.  When I was riding to work, I went 1/2 mile out of my way to ride through neighborhoods instead of main roads...then like 2 more miles out of my way to ride around a nice pond and say hi to the ducks.

If you haven't bought a bike yet, disc brakes are worth the premium you pay.

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What's the speed limit of the road?

I try to avoid riding on any roads with a speed limit of 60km/h, and definitely not roads with a 70km/h or higher speed limit.

Might be worth picking up a cheap Toyota Yaris or similar for those trips in the winter, and work out an alternative route in the summer.

 

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