Author Topic: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?  (Read 452 times)

BZB

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Hello Mustachians,
I am purchasing a home this year. I am trying to decide whether to get a mortgage or pay in cash from sale of funds in a brokerage account. The brokerage account is in the name of an irrevocable trust, and I am the trustee. It is invested in VTSAX at Vanguard. I can disburse funds from this trust, and a home purchase is allowable under the terms of the trust. I have been including the money in the trust in my retirement calculations, and was planning to take a mortgage for the home purchase. What questions should I ask and calculations do I need to do to determine the best option?

A few notes:
Why am I purchasing a home? Two things I value are resilience and community. The home I am purchasing is in a place where I already have a strong network and community. I have been renting an apartment, and the lease increases at each renewal, so my cost of renting is going up and there is no sense of community.

It doesn’t look like mortgage rates are coming down very soon. If I disburse funds from the trust, I understand I would pay capital gains tax but not income tax.

I think my job is safe for the next year or two but if the current administration succeeds in what they are trying to do, I am not so sure about job stability. Having a paid off house would certainly help from a psychological perspective.
I am and have been maxing my 401K and IRA contributions and have an emergency fund.


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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2025, 02:10:23 PM »
I'm squarely in the Don't Pay Off Your Mortgage club, so my suggestions will have that bias. Here are some things I recommend you consider:
  • How big will the tax bill be if you sell the funds in your brokerage account to pay for the whole thing?
  • It sounds like those funds might have a lot of strings attached. In a pinch, could you draw living expenses from the trust?
  • If things become unstable and you need to move: Would you rather have liquid assets or a paid off house?
  • How much is this home value relative to your net worth? Are you willing to tie that much up in your house?
  • What other financial goals do you have? Are you aiming for FIRE?
  • This is a hard one, but do you see yourself still living in that same house in 10 years? 30 years?
  • Is your relationship status stable? Any changes there will often cause a housing change

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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2025, 02:58:11 PM »
Having a paid off house would certainly help from a psychological perspective.

It's only from a psychological perspective though.  Locked-up funds with just one use are not what you want in case of job loss (I'm thinking here about funds locked up in the house, but I don't know about the Trust restrictions).  If your house costs like $450,000 and you make $90,000, the pile of money used to pay off your house could cover ALL of your expenses for 5 entire years if you don't lock it up in the house. 

If instead it's tied up in your house because you didn't want a mortgage, it can only cover part of your housing expenses (the mortgage part).  I'll recognize that it covers this expense for much longer (30 years?) that expense is, what 15-30% of your pay?  So, you have to come up with funds to cover the other 80 to 85% you're missing.  You're still on the hook for taxes and insurance even on a paid off house, these can be due all at once, and if you don't pay them the government can take away your house for unpaid taxes.


A year or two is a very short period of time to recoup all the costs of buying and selling a house.  If you don't mind taking a loss on the house, or you don't mind geographically limiting your job search, it might not matter.  But if you have the type of job where moving for work is often required, you might want to reconsider tying yourself down to a house.

Today's rates are high compared to what we've gotten used to for the last 20 years.  If they go down, you can refinance even if you paid cash.  I'm not sure what your trust says about that - it seems a bit of a loophole if you can just buy a house with cash only to refinance and withdrawal the cash.

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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2025, 03:56:47 PM »
how much is in the trust and what are the terms? i.e. what limits on annual withdrawals?

one perspective is that this gets you access to a larger chunk. So if you buy a house today, and sell in 4 years, you have the money, right?

How will taking the big lump out affect the trust disbursements otherwise? Will this make annual distributions less impactful for you down the road in ways that the house purchase doesn't? I have a hard time imaging what that might look like, but maybe?

If you get a mortgage and lose your job - how will you fare over 1-2-5 years if you can't replace it?

Likewise on purchasing outright with the trust money.

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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2025, 03:58:20 PM »
How far away from FIRE are you?

If your job did go away in a few years, how willing would you be to uproot yourself and move somewhere else vs. hunker down with whatever job you can find locally?

Is this your forever neighborhood/forever home, or do you plan to move elsewhere at some point?

My view:  by the time you are ready to FIRE, you want a paid-off house as risk mitigation. 

Pre-FIRE, your focus is on asset appreciation.  A house is an expense, and how much its value increases has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you have 0% equity or 100% equity.  So you are generally better-off putting your money somewhere where the amount you put in does get you more appreciation, i.e., the market.  You can also afford to ride out drops in those investments, because you have the big cash cushion of your job -- IOW, generally speaking, you can afford to take the risk that the leverage of a mortgage provides.

By the time you FIRE, though, you no longer have the safety net of the constant cash stream.  You still need growth in your assets, but you also need to protect against a big downturn.  And one really, really good way to do that is to minimize the amount you need to withdraw each month to cover your basic expenses by having your biggest monthly expense already paid off.

My preference is to take a mortgage that generally aligns with your planned FIRE date.  Obv there will be exceptions (if mortgage rages are super-high or super-low, for ex.).  But that would be a reasonable way to approach it to balance the risks.

But the risk with buying a home while you're still working, of course, is what happens if the job goes away before you're ready to FIRE?  We had that happen a couple of times, and one time that meant moving to another state and then hanging on to a house we couldn't sell for over a year and ultimately taking a big loss on it.  We knew other people who were rooted in the community and unwilling to move who literally ended up delivering pizza, because that was the only job they could find.

If you're willing -- and in a financial position -- to do the hunker-down-and-deliver-pizza route, and this is your forever place, then go ahead and pay cash.  As long as you have enough money to cover your living costs out of investments or some BaristaFIRE job, you have the downside covered.  OTOH, the less likely that this is to be your forever place, and the more dependent you are on your job -- the more you are in the growth phase trying to get to FIRE -- then the riskier it is to put so much into a home.  You're better off taking a mortgage, letting the rest of your investments increase as much as possible, and then sell if you need to down the road.

Or, you know, don't buy at all.  That increasing rent gets you something:  the freedom to move somewhere else at the end of the lease, with no need to sell or buy and no risk of loss whatsoever.  If you are a long way from FIRE and very worried about your job situation in 2-3 years, the last thing you want is a giant debt around your neck.

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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2025, 08:15:11 PM »
Thanks for all the thoughtful responses.
The questions you asked give me a lot to consider.
Answering a few of the specific questions:
There are no restrictions on the trust. I can use the money as needed. $455,000 in the trust, invested in VTSAX.
I will need to find out how much capital gains taxes would be if I were to disburse funds.
I am fairly close to FIRE - 1.44 M invested in various retirement accounts and taxable brokerage accounts, and a small cash emergency fund. No debt. My number would be 1.5 M but with a paid off house.
I am tied to my location for the next 5-7 years for family reasons. Nothing else is tying me to this location, and so it's a good point that I may want the flexibility to move. My line of work is 100% remote if I can stay in my industry, so I don't need to stay in this location but I need to stay in the US. If the industry dies due to fallout from political effects in a few years, then I would be retooling for a new job like everyone else, or going Coast FI, and/or drastically reassessing my expenses.

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Re: Mortgage or pay cash for upcoming home purchase - what should I consider?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2025, 07:32:12 AM »
What is the point of an irrev trust if there are no restrictions? (Not being snarky, genuine question)

Also, aren't irrev trusts taxed at higher rates? (Maybe you've already considered that part.)

Also, you mentioned wanting to buy the home because community is so important, which led me to believe the home you are buying is in a community that you want to be a part of. Then you mentioned there is nothing tying you to the area. So maybe you are buying a home to start creating community? Maybe not terribly relevant, just something that jumped out at me.

 

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