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Heroes821

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Medical Insurance Help question.
« on: October 19, 2020, 05:55:22 AM »
I'm going to apologize in advance this is a long one.

In December of Last year our oldest child had a legally mandated entry into a Mental Health Facility that was short term with the express purpose of getting her into a long term residential facility.  This facility was one she had been in a few months prior in May 2019 and was covered as an in network facility by our HDHP plan 100% covered because we were past our family out of pocket limit.   On Jan 3rd she moved into the only residential facility within 50 miles of our house at $750 a day until the middle of May 2020 when Insurance's "Doctor" told the attending doctor that she was healthy enough to return home, even though the attending doctor and therapist disagreed.


In November of 2019 Insurance open enrollment occurred and we selected our normal HDHP out of the two offered by work.  In December my employer's company was sold from one Equity firm to a second equity firm, who used the same insurance company, UHC.

In Jan we used the original insurance policy elected in November for billing, and in the final week of Jan new equity firm had file for their insurance plan (the more expensive HDHP than before, because they only offered 1 HDHP) that would back date to all claims for Jan 1, 2020.  They also simultaneously had us enroll for Feb-Dec 2020 plans. 

In the end of Feb, due to a large backlash from my company the equity firm announced a return to all identical plans that were elected in November 2019 with them eating the increase in cost to honor what we were offered before they bought us. I, of course, returned to my normal HDHP that I wanted to keep the entire time.

So far everything seemed fine.  I was more than happy to meet my $7,000 out of pocket limit for 1 dependent out of network coverage assuming the other $101,000+ of her care would be covered.

Now 10 months later bills are coming in, after being ran through insurance multiple times and getting different answers.   UHC's Mental Healthcare advocate tells me that there is a form we should of filled out in the beginning that would of forced all charges to be in network due to no other nearby mental health facilities, but it cannot be backdated.  And I have a $4,000 bill from the first facility that was "in network" in May 2019, but was no longer in network in Dec 2019, and even though the bill is dated 23 Dec-Jan 3rd the office, my health insurance, and the collections company say its just for Jan 1-3rd. 

Then I have $10,000 in responsibility for February billing that insurance is also saying I'm responsible for because the Feb health plan had a $10,000 out of pocket out of network limit for the individual, and for some reason since the March-may bills were processed first, and I paid the current plans' $7,000 out of network, out of pocket limit already that none of that applies backwards for the same year, because work changed my policy FOUR GOD DAMN TIMES in one year.


Assuming I'm not crazy,  The $4,000 bill in collections plus any charges from Jan to either the 10,000 or 7,000 cap should realistically be what I'm responsible for and then any in network limits for the year for my family.  Not 10,000+7,000+4,000+ w/e in network costs right?

What kind of lawyer should I be looking for to pour over my healthcare documents with me? Should I see a lawyer?  Is heath insurance mandated to straighten this out with me on their own without a lawyer?  I've been banging my head on a wall trying to figured out what to do for months now.

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Re: Medical Insurance Help question.
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 09:42:13 AM »
I have no real advice on your situation but I wanted to offer sympathy for your situation with your child.  I have an (adult) step child that suffers from addiction and it is a terrible hard road for everyone involved... not to mention a costly one.

Is there no patient advocate at the facility that can look through this stuff? Or anyone at your employment that could help?

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Re: Medical Insurance Help question.
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2021, 01:10:44 PM »
Sorry for the late reply @honeybbq  I totally forgot I asked this question. 

We have an advocate at the healthcare provider and she has supposedly helped with a few things.  I've tried to talk to my HR about how the changing coverage really screwed things up and got crickets back. 

I've even talked to a lawyer and basically got a you're responsible for what your insurance says you have to cover under each plan and since I had 3 different plans last year, Good Game.


As of Christmas I got the notice that the $10,000 bill is 100% my responsibility, but the $4,000 is getting re-appealed again by the facility.  I basically am just going to suck it up and pay the 10k to not deal with this shit anymore.

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Re: Medical Insurance Help question.
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2021, 01:43:50 PM »
I would write it up and send it to your Congress-people.  It's a good example of the in/out network BS we go through.

Also, I usually advise to send a letter to the president of the healthcare company.  Since it's UHC, I wouldn't bother.  AFAIK they are the worst for member services.  YMMV.

You have my sympathy.  It just heart breaking how people get taken advantage of when they are already going through some of the worst parts of their lives.


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Re: Medical Insurance Help question.
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2021, 11:04:59 AM »
Just wanted to express sympathy.  We recently had some run around with insurance following a car accident that my wife and daughter were in.  My wife was brought to tears (after ~2 years) to see how little her suffering was worth.  It's a shame how little the institutions we depend on care about us.  Really, they're incentivized not to.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2021, 08:52:07 AM »
Thank you guys for your sympathies.  I honestly couldn't imagine how I'd handle it if we weren't already partially mustacian.  Like this would be an extremely bad blow otherwise but adding a few months or a year to FIRE while shitty, is not the end of the world.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 04:07:59 PM »
I think you would have the most chance of getting this worked out with your own company's HR.  I'd ask to be reimbursed for the difference in out of pocket max had they not fucked up their plan choices they way they did.

As far as the bill that crossed December 31/January 1st, it's one bill with two different payers.  It's likely your 2019 insurance plan paid the "in network" bill in full, but the new company's plan (the backdated one) was "out of network" for the same hospital.  So the $4k is just for the Jan 1 to Jan 3 portion of the bill.

It seems like the max you should be responsible for is $17k, as the $4k in collections is a subset of the $10k OOP Max on your January insurance plan.  You can log in to each plan on the insurance company's websites, and see what has and has not been applied to your deductible and OOP Max.

Finally, definitely acquaint yourself with Single Case Agreements, as it sounds like your daughter may need ongoing treatment in the future.  This resource is specific to BPD, but the process is similar for other forms of mental illness that require specialized treatment.
 It is possible to have an SCA backdated, but not at all guaranteed.  I would appeal to get it backdated with UHC if you can, since you didn't know about it.  https://mhttcnetwork.org/centers/new-england-mhttc/news/new-resource-utilizing-single-case-agreements-access-treatment-bpd

I'm sorry you and your family are dealing with this on all accounts.

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Re: Medical Insurance Help question.
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2021, 09:13:48 AM »
Oh thank you @SimpleCycle I will save those links for sure.   I believe you are correct on the Dec to Jan thing. 

So the reason the 4k does not apply to the 10k in Feb is because from Jan 1-20 something we were on the 1st equity firm's plan we elected in November.  Then the new equity firm's plan was selected and backdated to cover all of Jan, but we already had thousands of dollars in processed bills.  (never had any out of pocket bills from the long term facility for Jan ~$750 a day supposedly).    That same week we got the Feb-December plans picked.  Then due to employee backlash by the end of Feb we elected our original plans from November to cover March-Dec.

I then paid my OOP OON limit of $7,000 over March and April's bills.  While the Feb $10,000 kept coming back.  I have no idea where Jan 3rd- Jan 31st bills went and I have no intention of asking since the facility has never billed me for anything during that time.   

It just feels really stupid.  I guess I could ask my HR, but I bet the answer I'd get is that my bonuses throughout the year should cover it or something. 

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!