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Lost and Confused
« on: July 30, 2024, 10:13:28 AM »
I'm not someone that can say I've been very "mustachian" for the last decade of my life, however this overall advice really helped my in my 20s and early 30s. However, I find myself in a much different spot in my life and I can't figure out what to do. When I was 25 I would have definitively said I'd be retired by now.. but things look a little different to me at 40. I got divorced 5 years ago and bought a giant house with my new partner. I also significantly changed my role at work... but I find myself dreading and hating work and feeling lost and unsure of my purpose here or in life.

These figures are all my own, I don't share finances with my partner at this time.

Age: 40
Salary: $200k base, target 30% bonus- (I also made an additional $100k this year over and above that bonus, and will make an additional $50k next year- but this isn't consistent).
Retirement: $916k- 401k and IRA
SP 500- $140k
Cash- $375k (I know but this is due to needed house renos)
House - Zillow is $1 MM, owe around $750k on the loan. The mortgage is $6k/month - it has investment apts that should bring in $2,500-$3,000 a month once rented.
Without the mortgage I probably spend like $3-$4k a month.

Should I just suck it up and keep working to get these numbers up? I am so dissatisfied with my day to day life, I can't get that ambition I had to excel at work I had a decade ago. Is this just how it is now? I have no idea what I would do if I wasn't doing this.



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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2024, 12:16:22 PM »
What are your partner's thoughts on all this? Would they be onboard to selling the current place and downsizing and eventually you or both of you quitting your jobs? If so then that's what I'd do. You're unlikely to become happier with the situation as time goes by- especially if all your free time and money is taken up with house projects and dealing with tenants while working full time. There's always the option to sell the house, invest all the proceeds, and rent for a couple of years while saving the bulk of your high salary (and partners too) then FIRE or at least take a break to figure out what you guys really want to do next.

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2024, 03:40:04 PM »
Hello
do you want to keep the giant house? How far off are the appts from being rented? Will they cover the mortgage if so?
How sure of your expenses are you and have you factored in lumpy expenses like replacing cars etc?

It sounds like a bigger question than just the financials - what would you like your life to look like in the next 5 years/10 years etc?

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 04:34:04 PM »
Not knowing what you would do if you weren't doing what you're doing now is the trap. It's very easy to get stuck existing if there's not a hardship forcing you to be creative and think outside life as it is now. No one here can tell you what to want. We can really only help you figure out the math once you decide what you want.

But the whole point of mmm has been to question everything, to not view yourself as stuck in a job or a house that's trapping you in a lifestyle that's not working for you, to figure out your priorities and align your spending with that...



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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2024, 03:58:35 AM »
Home renovations are stressful. Having empty units is stressful. I wouldn't make any rash decisions until things are more stable on that front and you've had some time to acclimate to the life that you planned to have in this home.

That being said, your current investments would generate 42k/yr in income. Your current spending is 120k/yr. If you can fully rent out the other units and keep them cash flowing, then your spend drops to 90k/yr. If you want to plan for the worst case scenario with no tenants and current spending you'd need to have $3M invested to support $120k/yr spending.

I know that we're not considering any of your partner's assets, and it sounds like those may be added to the equation at some point which would greatly impact the math above. But if you want to keep it focused entirely on your assets alone you're going to need to save up a lot more.

Sounds like work is not enjoyable at the moment. I don't think we always realize how stressed we are while in the middle of chaos. Keep grinding away with the reno. Keep grinding away with work and stacking up cash in your investments. You're hopefully pretty close to the end of the house project, which will eliminate that stressor and allow you to rent out the other units as well. Not having to live in and manage a jobsite, while floating the mortgage for three units, will probably be a really big stress relief for you. From there you can relax enough to determine a path forward with work, whether you really want to live in the expensive house with tenants, or if you're ready to cut spending and pull the plug at work to pursue other things that might interest you more. The good news is that you're making very good money in the mean time, so there's no emergency that puts a hard deadline in place for your decision.

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2024, 05:10:36 AM »
I'm not someone that can say I've been very "mustachian" for the last decade of my life, however this overall advice really helped my in my 20s and early 30s. However, I find myself in a much different spot in my life and I can't figure out what to do. When I was 25 I would have definitively said I'd be retired by now.. but things look a little different to me at 40. I got divorced 5 years ago and bought a giant house with my new partner. I also significantly changed my role at work... but I find myself dreading and hating work and feeling lost and unsure of my purpose here or in life.

These figures are all my own, I don't share finances with my partner at this time.

Age: 40
Salary: $200k base, target 30% bonus- (I also made an additional $100k this year over and above that bonus, and will make an additional $50k next year- but this isn't consistent).
Retirement: $916k- 401k and IRA
SP 500- $140k
Cash- $375k (I know but this is due to needed house renos)
House - Zillow is $1 MM, owe around $750k on the loan. The mortgage is $6k/month - it has investment apts that should bring in $2,500-$3,000 a month once rented.
Without the mortgage I probably spend like $3-$4k a month.

Should I just suck it up and keep working to get these numbers up? I am so dissatisfied with my day to day life, I can't get that ambition I had to excel at work I had a decade ago. Is this just how it is now? I have no idea what I would do if I wasn't doing this.

Having a demanding job at work can suck your life energy. I also agree that the balance becomes more difficult as you get older. This is a big part of why the FIRE movement exists. Having to do renovations on top of that sucks even more energy. It's tough and I sympathize.

Because you seem to have plenty of cash, the repairs don't need to be an absolute "grind" I would pad it a little to give yourself time to breath. However, write out a realistic timeline and goals for finishing, so you don't stop completely.

From my experience, there will be some type of repair or renovation that once completed, you will get re-energized because you can see the finish line. It's hard to guess which one that will be. However, once I get about 75% done, I get a boost of energy to finish it. 

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2024, 07:47:16 AM »
What are the renovations that cost almost $400K?  Are they necessary to get the apartments ready to rent?  Is your partner contributing to any of this, or is it all on you financially?

You feel stuck because you are.  You don't have a million-dollar house, you have a $1.4M house on a $200K salary.  That's a lot, and it brings a lot of stress with it.  You literally cannot afford to quit because of your financial obligations on the house.  And there's nothing like feeling stuck in a job to make you really, really hate it. 

So what changes are you willing to make?  If you want to keep the house, that means staying in this job, or finding another equally high-paid one.  Is that worth it?  Are there other high-pay jobs out there that you might be interested in?  Where would you live if you sold the house?  Are you interested in rental properties in general, or was that just a bonus that made this house feel more affordable?

The immediate thing that you can do to lighten the load is to focus all your time and energy on getting the apartments rented.  That's not a cure-all, as your best-case scenario still leaves you with $3K in mortgage + another $3K in personal spending (not counting ongoing maintenance/repairs/vacancies), but it does cut the net mortgage down to a more manageable number that can give you some breathing room.  Even if you average out to net costs of $84K ($7K/mo), that's a lot better than $120K ($10K/mo). 

Where is your partner in all of this?  I know you have separate finances, but what do they contribute to the housing costs and other monthly expenses?  Do you think this is a permanent situation, or are things somewhat iffy?  What are your partner's long-term goals -- where do they see life in another 10 years, and how do they propose to get there?  It seems like you are shouldering a huge amount of expenses on what would otherwise be a very generous salary, which is creating a ton of stress for you.  What is your partner willing to compromise on to ease your load?

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2024, 11:12:23 AM »
When i was looking at this, all I could think of is that you must really like that house.  Wow. 

-$375k for reno.
-$6k/ month in mortgage which is 60% of your budget if you are paying it all (if you are paying $3k then it is 3k/7k which is still 40% of your budget).
 -$3k for rent when that happens. 

Not sure if the $6k includes all the property taxes, upkeep etc etc associated with a house that all scales up with BIG houses. 

Really think about this house.  You are in a job you don't like paying for a house that wont cover it's own mortgage when it's rental parts get rented.   

I'm not someone that does real estate so maybe the number are the best numbers ever, but they look out of whack to me.  And your income doesn't look high enough to support that house just for the love of house. 

Also-life is too short to be staying in a job that stinks.  Look for other things.  Life is full of other things you could be doing. 

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2024, 01:49:59 PM »
sounds like you are in a bit of crisis, thought wise.

Can you take a week off work asap?

What is the timeline to get those appartments rented? Elsewhere you mentioned them going for about 2k each so if both rented that is 4k and then 2k for you and partner to split so 1k for you on mortgage. Getting to that point will bing you a lot of clarity on your current finances, although you do need to add in missing some rental money from time to time and unexpected repairs, etc. But 1k/month is very differentt from 6k. And living with constant repairing and upgrading is also a drain.

But take some time off work to decompress a little.

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Re: Lost and Confused
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2024, 02:40:40 PM »
Wow your numbers are awesome - you've done a lot of good work!

To me it seems like you have some options given how far along you are with your finances.