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Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« on: June 10, 2015, 11:36:34 AM »
Case Study – Getting down to one income?

I’ve been reading the MMM blog and lurking on the forums for about six weeks now, although I’ve been interested in personal finance for a few years now and have slowly been reforming our spending habits and trimming the budget. This is my first post on the MMM forums!

After a year of health disasters for DH (job related injury plus complications from his chronic health condition – unrelated to the injury just lousy timing), I’ve decided to try to get us to the point that DH can retire (or semi-retire) and we can all live solely on my income (or close to it). He is healthy and working now, but DH’s very physical job is taking its toll and I seriously think that if he doesn’t quit within the next 10 years he will become disabled (at best) or die early (at worst). He for sure won’t make it to see 65 and retire at the normal age. FIRE for both of us probably isn’t possible as I can’t be sure that DH can work long enough to get us there. Which is okay, I like my job and don’t mind working in the least. Plus if everything works perfectly I still may be able to retire mid to late 50’s.  But getting us to the point that we can live just off of one income in a good school district for DD is going to take some planning, and I want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

Details:
Married filing jointly, one daughter age 3.5. DH (43) and I (39) both work full time, DD in full time daycare. Live in the Chicago burbs. I work from home full time, DH commutes to downtown Chicago 80 miles round trip 5x a week. (yeah yeah I know…)
Gross income ~$102,000 combined.

My paycheck, bi-weekly = $1983.00 gross or $51,558 annual. Dental $11.76, Flex spend $23, LTD $0.52, Health ins. $114.71 (covers whole family), 401k $198.30. Adjusted gross $1634.71 per pay period or $42,502.46 annual. Net bi-weekly paycheck $1322.

DH’s paycheck….I don’t have access to his paystubs (online only and he’s locked out of the system, won’t bother to contact HR to get back in) so I based the gross on his 2013 W2. Would have used 2014 but he was off on worker’s comp 2 months of that year so it skews it too much. 2013 was a pretty typical year for him earnings wise so should be close enough. I took the W2 totals and divided by 26 pay periods (he’s bi-weekly as well) for the average paycheck. $1959.62 gross bi-weekly or $50,950 annually. Minimal pre-tax deductions for STD and LTD and an after tax deduction for Uninon dues (not sure how much but can't be more than $30 or so) – he has no access to a 401k (he’ll get a pension thru the Union, paid for by employer – so no employee deductions) and I carry all benefits. Net bi-weekly paycheck $1480.

Adjusted Gross (combined) $3594.33 per pay period or $93,452.58 annual

Taxes – We didn’t have a typical tax year last year due to DH’s untaxed worker’s comp pay from end of 2014 and beginning of 2015 (so this year won’t be typical either really). 2013 was the closest to a recent typical tax liability/income year so I’ll use those numbers - $7,033 Fed, $6071 SS, $1420 Medicare, $4105 IL income.  AGI in 2013 was $92,920.

Net combined monthly income based on current paychecks (net pay x 26 pay periods divided by 12 months) $6070

Current Expenses. I use YNAB so this part is easy!

Mortgage. Total $1287. Breaks down to P&I $881.20, T&I $405.56, no PMI. 5.75% interest rate, 10 years into a 30 year loan. Current balance $125,702.06. Home worth ~$150,000 based on recent neighborhood home sales.

Car Loan. $413. 2008 Nissan Altima bought in 2012. 11 payments left so we owe about $4540. 3% interest.

Daycare $866 (pay $200 per week x 52 weeks, divided by 12 for monthly average)

Internet $0 (paid for by my employer)

Cell Phones $185 (will drop to $136 in August when done paying for phones. DH wants to keep his unlimited T-Mobile account but I’ll switch to Ting once the phone is paid off so hope to get it even lower).

Electricity $125 (monthly average)

Natural Gas $41 budget plan (stove, water heater, furnace, clothes dryer)

Water $50

State Farm $264. This includes term life insurance on both of us, plus car insurance on 2 vehicles. Life insurance is two 20 year term polices, $350k on me and $250k on DH. DH has health issues so his rate is rather high and at this point couldn’t get covered at all so can’t shop around.

Progressive Auto $40 (insurance on 3rd vehicle)

Stonebridge $12 (2nd small term policy on me, $50k)

Netflix, ABCMouse, Plex $32

Groceries/Household items $725 monthly average – I know this is high by MMM standards. I buy mostly organic foods and we buy pasture raised meats from a semi-local farm 2x a year (amount included in total). DH also has a physical job so eats more than the average cube farm employee. My local Costco finally has more organic items available and I’m planting a small garden this year, so I do hope to shave this a bit but honestly I don’t see this changing all that much.

DH’s fun money $100

Home Improvement $250 (fixing up home to sell in a few years, this funds ongoing projects). DH does most projects DIY

Gasoline $200 – lately this has been a bit less with fuel prices going down

Eating out $50

Entertainment $25 (going to the movies, bowling w/friends, etc.)

Car repairs/maintenance/registration $175 (sinking fund). DH does all labor (except oil changes – takes ‘em to an oil change place – and tires) so we generally only need money for parts. Registration in IL is only $100 per vehicle (we have 3).

Pre-school $100 (sinking fund for 2016/2017 school year)

Travel $150 (sinking fund for travel to see out of state grandparents – only way for them to spend time with DD as neither are in good enough health to travel to us on a regular basis).

Annual Fees $40 (sinking fund for Costco, Amazon, Amex annual fee, newspaper, AAA)

Hair Cuts $10 (me 4x a year and DD 2x a year. DH just shaves his head)

Family Photos $5 (annual professional pictures of DD)

Computer repair/replacement $10

Medical $40 (prescription co-pays, glasses/contacts, OTC meds, dr. visit co-pays. Flex spend account already at $0 for this year due to DH’s health crisis earlier this year so had to add this in, will adjust flex spend to higher amount for 2016).
Insurance has no deductible and low co-pays, covers 100% of everything after co-pays.

Clothing $75 (sinking fund)

Gifts – non holiday $70 (sinking fund for all gift giving occasions except Christmas)

Holidays  $98 – this includes all holiday related spending such as Christmas gifts, Christmas cards and postage, gift wrap, shipping of gifts to out-of-state relatives, and including Christmas season charity like angel trees and Toys for Tots. Also includes spending on Halloween (candy, costume) Valentine’s, and Easter.

Total monthly budgeted expenses and sinking funds = $5389
Total monthly net income $6070 (net pay x 26 pay periods divided by 12)
Difference of +$681

Assets and Liabilities

401k Balance $158,583.53, 100% invested in Vanguard LifeStrategy Growth Inv. Mix is about 80% stocks and 20% bonds. I put in 10% and get a match of 4.5%. Plus I get an additional 8% of my gross pay as an annual discretionary deposit from my employer, gotten every year except 1 (got 5% rather than 8% in 2009) during 15 years of employment so pretty reliable.

House – worth ~$150k with ~$126k owed, 5.75% interest, monthly payment $1287. Breaks down to P&I $881.20, T&I $405.56, no PMI. 5.75% interest rate, 10 years into a 30 year loan.

2008 Nissan Altima $8500 blue book, remaining loan of ~$4500, will be paid off 5/2016. This is my car and plan to keep for at least 5 more years, more likely 8-10 if it keeps running well.

1998 Saturn SL2 $1000 blue book. DH’s commuter car. No loan.

2003 Ford Ranger $3000 blue book. DH’s truck (and hill to die on he will not sell it). Use it to transport home improvement items but mostly sits in the driveway. No loan.

Liquid Savings (CapOne 360) $10,000

So that’s the deal. No consumer debt, one car loan just about paid off, one reasonable mortgage, and a halfway decent amount in a 401k. Good news is once car is paid off (1 more year) and DD no longer needs daycare (2 more years), we’ll have an extra $1275 a month to start chucking into savings. At that point, our monthly expenses will be ~$4000 a month on a net income of $6070.

So our short term plan is this. Current home is in super bad school district and we want to move back to my home town (20 minutes from here and a bit closer to DH’s work) which has top rated schools over the summer of 2018, when DD is in between kindergarten and 1st grade. During that time, we’ll continue to beef up liquid savings, continue to fix up house (including roof replacement this year at ~$9k). Estimated liquid savings in June 2018 would be ~$40k. In 3 years list current house ($150k asking price, loan will be $114k at that point, should clear ~$20k or so after closing costs). Buy a home in hometown for between $120k and $180k (low end will be a small townhome, high end small single family home) with 20% (or more) down and a 15 year loan. We’ll aggressively pay down the mortgage and hope to be mortgage free within 3 to 4 years of buying the new home, so by the year 2022 at the latest. DH would be 50.

With no mortgage or significant additions/subtractions to our spending I estimate our monthly expenses at this point to be ~$3150 (happy to list a post-move/post-mortgage breakdown if anyone really wants it). That’s not quite low enough to make it on just my income.  Still, it would be enough at this point so that DH can quit his current job if he wants to and take a lower paying full or even part time job. Or if he still feels up to it he can continue to work FT where he is at for a few more years and we’ll put money away for a college fund for DD.  Meanwhile my 401k will continue to grow, if I stick with my current employer (which I very much want to do) and the matches stay the same, at 7% growth I’d be able to retire around age 56, assuming health insurance for DH and I won’t be an issue (if it is I may have to stick it out to 61 when DH can get on Medicare, regardless of our 401k balance).

DH is on board with the moving to the new house part of the plan. As for paying off the mortgage and quitting his current job to find something closer to home with less stress and fewer hours, I think he's more of a "I'll believe it when I see it" type. But he's at the point that while he's not willing to go full-on Bad Ass (he wants his phone, he wants his truck, he wants his fun money) he will stick to the overall budget as I've outlined (and has done so for a while now) and not sabotage my efforts.

A note about the cars. I know its nuts to have 3 cars for 2 drivers. I’ve always thought that. If I were Queen For A Day I’d sell all three tomorrow and buy a nice used Prius for DH and I to share. But DH refuses to sell the truck. Will. Not. Sell.  The Saturn is too old and beat up to use as a reliable family car and I can’t drive the truck (stick shift) and it’s only a 2 seater anyway. So a 3rd vehicle was “needed” and I picked the Altima (at the time I thought we’d have a 2nd kid and wanted a larger back seat and trunk than a Sentra, but we’re sticking with 1 kid now I think).

As for DH’s commute. Moving close enough to work for his commute to be reasonable would mean living in Chicago itself. No-go due to schools, public schools are a disaster and private school coasts negate any savings for moving closer (and then some). It also puts me very far away from close friends and my only family in the area, and increases my commute time to my office (I only go in about 6x a year, but still…). Plus we aren’t city people at heart. Public transit is out as DH works 3rd shift and trains/buses don’t run when/where he would need them to (plus public transit isn’t exactly cheap either). Moving back to my home town should shave a good 10-20 minutes off his travel time each way though, and once he quits it won’t matter anyway.

So, is this a solid plan based on the numbers I presented? Anything I forgot? Anything I’m not being realistic on?

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 12:07:31 PM »
What is the maximum amount you could contribute to traditional 401k and IRA plans each year (and still have enough cash flow) - can you do $18K + $18K + $5.5K + $5.5K = $47K? 
Could you do $47K if some of that is Roth (so you could withdraw those contributions in a few years if needed, or if it makes more sense tax-wise)?

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 12:22:21 PM »
Shit x3! I got stuck at the 5.75% interest rate on the mortgage. I want to read this whole case study, but this is stopping me completely. Why is is so high and what can you do to lower it immediately? As in stop what you're doing and get on the phone/internet/everything right away to get this lowered asap. That is one huge chunk of low hanging fruit.

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2015, 12:36:38 PM »
I know you are specifically asking about ER - but what about framing it as your husband becoming a "stay at home dad"? is this something he would be interested in? He is essentially right now working to be able to afford work.

Many of your expenses would go away or be reduced significantly if he wasn't working:
Childcare: 866.00
Gasoline (and time!) commuting: 100.00 (est)
Registration and insurance for third car: 140.00 - sell the clunker for whatever you can get and put it towards your car loan
Groceries - Hubby will need to eat less, can spend more time food prep - say 50.00? (super conservative, there is lots of great info on the boards)
Clothing - not needed as much for work, more time to find used - say 25.00

That is an extremely easy 1181 shaved off without really doing much optimizing - which your hubby would have time to do if he was a SAHP

Not related.. but you have a lot of different insurances, do you really need them all? Your Hubby has fun money, but you don't?

If you already get to work from home, have insurance and don't mind your job - and are that stressed out about your Hubby's medical condition - it might be worth considering. If you were a strong team you you still RE on your income. If Hubby at some point wanted to start a side business once kidlet goes to school...you would be in great shape.


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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 01:13:02 PM »
Shit x3! I got stuck at the 5.75% interest rate on the mortgage. I want to read this whole case study, but this is stopping me completely. Why is is so high and what can you do to lower it immediately? As in stop what you're doing and get on the phone/internet/everything right away to get this lowered asap. That is one huge chunk of low hanging fruit.

5.75% was a good rate in 2005 when we got the loan. We spent a looooooong time underwater after the crash (paid $186k, original loan was for about $150k, house was worth about $100k at bottom of the crash), we just got to the point of breakeven/positive equity in the last 1-2 years. We were so far under we didn't qualify under HARP. Now that we plan to move in 3 years I don't know that it's worth it to refi at this point.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »
I know you are specifically asking about ER - but what about framing it as your husband becoming a "stay at home dad"? is this something he would be interested in? He is essentially right now working to be able to afford work.

Many of your expenses would go away or be reduced significantly if he wasn't working:
Childcare: 866.00
Gasoline (and time!) commuting: 100.00 (est)
Registration and insurance for third car: 140.00 - sell the clunker for whatever you can get and put it towards your car loan
Groceries - Hubby will need to eat less, can spend more time food prep - say 50.00? (super conservative, there is lots of great info on the boards)
Clothing - not needed as much for work, more time to find used - say 25.00

That is an extremely easy 1181 shaved off without really doing much optimizing - which your hubby would have time to do if he was a SAHP

Not related.. but you have a lot of different insurances, do you really need them all? Your Hubby has fun money, but you don't?

If you already get to work from home, have insurance and don't mind your job - and are that stressed out about your Hubby's medical condition - it might be worth considering. If you were a strong team you you still RE on your income. If Hubby at some point wanted to start a side business once kidlet goes to school...you would be in great shape.

He's not ready to retire/SAHP right now. Might be best for his long term physical health but mentally he's not there yet.

As for insurance I do need to put a call in to State Farm and make sure there isn't anything we can change to get that down (I suspect there is) but I want the life insurance in place for the time being, if one of use were to die tomorrow neither of us would be in a good position without the payout. We can re-evaluate life insurance once we move and are mortgage free though. The small term policy on me from Stonebridge can probably be dropped, however. Progressive is DH's policy on the truck.

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2015, 01:27:15 PM »
Would it be worth it for your husband to switch careers now?

My husband is a mechanic, and in the last few years he started suffering the physical effects of that - back pain, etc.  He went back to school full-time this week.  We'll live on my salary until he's done (prob 2.5 years) and then ramp our savings back up when he graduates  My H is only 37, so he'll be done by 40.  You'll have to run the numbers to see if it would financially make sense for you...and if there's another kind of job that he'd like to do.


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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 01:40:20 PM »
Would it be worth it for your husband to switch careers now?

My husband is a mechanic, and in the last few years he started suffering the physical effects of that - back pain, etc.  He went back to school full-time this week.  We'll live on my salary until he's done (prob 2.5 years) and then ramp our savings back up when he graduates  My H is only 37, so he'll be done by 40.  You'll have to run the numbers to see if it would financially make sense for you...and if there's another kind of job that he'd like to do.

Worth it? Probably. Between gas/car/insurance savings and better work/life balance (not working weekends or overnights) he could take a hell of a pay-cut and our budget would still work.  He likely wouldn't even need to retrain/go back to school. But he won't do it. I talked to him about it earlier this year and he just has zero interest (honestly I think it's a self confidence issue more than anything, he is terrified of trying something new and failing...at least that's my opinion).

Sorry, don't mean to be shooting down all ideas, but there isn't much I can do about DH's work situation. He has to want to change and he isn't willing to. That's why I'm working on what I can do so if/when he can't work any longer we'll still be in a good financial position. He is not going to leave this job of his own free will, not at this point in time. He did like the idea of being retired or semi-retired at 50 though, which is what my plan in the original post would get us to.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2015, 01:45:11 PM »
My husband was the same way.  He was really good at his job, and he knew that there was no guarantee he'd be good at whatever he chose to do.  It took 2 years of talking about it (and another injury) before he made a change.

I think you are very wise to consider that his income will go away sooner rather than later, due to health issues.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 01:58:56 PM »
Oh and someone asked why he gets fun money and I don't. I don't want it, really. I mean I could budget myself $100 a month but I'd never spend it all, so why bother to budget it?  I read books from the library and watch Netflix in my downtime. My main hobbies are gardening (comes out of Home Improvement) and cooking/baking ("Groceries"). On the rare occasion I want to go out with friends I just take the money from "Eating Out" or "Entertainment" as appropriate. Mostly my friends and I just hang out at each others houses while the kids riot play in another room.

DH however does better with a set amount, so hence his "fun money".

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2015, 02:09:54 PM »
My thoughts, and good for you for trying to figure things out!

Sell the Saturn, put that money towards the Altima. Then you can get rid of an insurance policy and other car costs.

You're allocating $2k for gifts. Given your stated goals, you need to dial this way in. You're not obligated to give everyone you know a birthday present - a card will do just fine. And you can even make them, especially for family (use your daughter!).

I get why you want to move and agree, but why not now? If you were closer to family, maybe someone would be willing to watch her instead of daycare. You'd cut some time off DH's commute and save wear and tear on the car. If you're not going to move yet, then you should look into refinancing to a lower rate. Do the math and compare, you might be surprised at how much interest you could save even in 3 years.

Annual Fees $40 (sinking fund for Costco, Amazon, Amex annual fee, newspaper, AAA) - um, that's almost $500 a year. My state farm policy includes roadside assistance for about $10 a year. Check if yours does, then cancel AAA. Amex lost the deal with Costco, so if that's why you have it, it's time to rethink that. Do you actually read the newspaper? If it just ends up on the recycling stack, then cancel it and read stuff online. Even if you currently read the paper, can you switch to online?

Clothing - where do you shop? You can get new or nearly new items at thrift stores pretty easily, and especially for small children hand-me-downs are great if you have a source. For that matter, do you really need new clothes at all? Most adults I know have way more clothes than they possibly need and don't wear most of it.

FWIW, I also think your husband should consider SAHP, but you can't control his attitude. Maybe he's worried about how people will view him if he didn't work. Do you know, or can you meet, other stay at home dads? That might help him get comfortable with the idea.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2015, 03:34:34 PM »
My thoughts, and good for you for trying to figure things out!

Sell the Saturn, put that money towards the Altima. Then you can get rid of an insurance policy and other car costs.

You're allocating $2k for gifts. Given your stated goals, you need to dial this way in. You're not obligated to give everyone you know a birthday present - a card will do just fine. And you can even make them, especially for family (use your daughter!).

I get why you want to move and agree, but why not now? If you were closer to family, maybe someone would be willing to watch her instead of daycare. You'd cut some time off DH's commute and save wear and tear on the car. If you're not going to move yet, then you should look into refinancing to a lower rate. Do the math and compare, you might be surprised at how much interest you could save even in 3 years.

Annual Fees $40 (sinking fund for Costco, Amazon, Amex annual fee, newspaper, AAA) - um, that's almost $500 a year. My state farm policy includes roadside assistance for about $10 a year. Check if yours does, then cancel AAA. Amex lost the deal with Costco, so if that's why you have it, it's time to rethink that. Do you actually read the newspaper? If it just ends up on the recycling stack, then cancel it and read stuff online. Even if you currently read the paper, can you switch to online?

Clothing - where do you shop? You can get new or nearly new items at thrift stores pretty easily, and especially for small children hand-me-downs are great if you have a source. For that matter, do you really need new clothes at all? Most adults I know have way more clothes than they possibly need and don't wear most of it.

FWIW, I also think your husband should consider SAHP, but you can't control his attitude. Maybe he's worried about how people will view him if he didn't work. Do you know, or can you meet, other stay at home dads? That might help him get comfortable with the idea.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Saturn - This is what DH drives to work, 80 miles round trip 5 days a week. If we sell it we either put a shit-ton of miles on the Nissan (with slightly worse MPG than the Saturn) or DH drives the truck which gets MUCH worse MPG than the Saturn. Selling the truck makes the most sense but DH won't part with it. I think I might have him talked into selling it once we move (especially if new place has limited parking which is a real possibility) but I don't think he'll part with it before then. Claims he needs it to finish work on the house. While it IS helpful to have a truck for hauling stuff, it doesn't justify keeping it.

Gifts - yeah I kind of had that thought too as I typed out the numbers. I'd like to keep Holidays where it's at (or close to it), but non-holiday gift giving can probably be cut down a fair bit. I'll look at those numbers again in the next few days.

Moving - The house is not in condition to sell at this time. We bought a fixer and DH has been painfully slow in getting projects done. Given what is left to do I think 2 years is the soonest we could list. I also want to have more money in the bank for a down payment, even if we could sell the house today and get the $20k out of it, it wouldn't be enough for a 20% down payment in the area we want to move to ($120k is pretty much the entry point for the location we're looking at). If we wait the 3 years, we'll have $35k-$40k to put down and the $20k from the sale makes a nice emergency fund while we knock out the new mortgage after we move. We'll do plan to speak to a real estate agent (or three) once the home projects are complete and see if it make sense to move at the 2 year mark rather than 3.

Also all our friends/family work full time so free/reduced child care is not an option regardless of our location.

AAA includes extended distance towing, we've had to have one vehicle or another towed over the usual mileage limit (usually from DH's work place to our home so he can work on whatever the issue is) quite a bit. For a while it was about once a year, though lately all the cars have behaved themselves. But I'll check w/State Farm (need to call them anyway) and see what their deal is, if it's better I'll cancel it. Amex is the Starwood Amex, we use it to earn hotel points so we stay for free when we travel to see DH's mom (her home can't fit us all), save well over the annual fee ($60) every year. Once Costco ends its agreement with Amex I'll just use my debit card to shop there. Newspaper is for Sunday paper for coupons - I plan on tracking to see if the coupons save me more than the cost of the paper and decide in the next couple months (I suspect I break even but I want to be sure its not saving me $ before canceling).

Clothing. Used clothes at Goodwill for DD are more expensive than sale price at Target . No joke! Goodwill wants $4.99 for kids tops/bottoms and I can get them at Target for $3.88 on sale (at least for some t's and shorts, haven't compared jeans/long pants yet), similar for Walmart (though I hate shopping there). I do shop Goodwill first for my own clothing (and DH) and will only buy new if Goodwill doesn't have what we need. So I'll keep checking Goodwill for DD but unless their prices go down or Target/Walmart/Old Navy prices go up, new for her is the better deal at the moment. DH and I are all set for the moment (except I do need to replace my 10 year old winter coat soon, if not this winter then next) so I think I'll see where we stand after I buy DD's fall/winter clothing later this year and see about reducing Clothing.

SAHP - It's not the SAHP "image" (at least I don't think) that he has a problem with, I think he feels his identity is still bound up in what he does for a living. Also the whole "I provide for my family" thing a lot of men have. He has zero issue with me working, and doesn't mind that I soon will make more than he does (I get COLA raises and he doesn't, plus my boss has requested an additional raise for me, though that's not a sure thing yet). But the idea that I would be supporting him and DD would bother him quite a bit I think, at least until he gets to an age that he can claim he's retired.

Plus he nets $3200 a month ($1480 x 26 pay periods / 12 months), even with daycare savings, commute savings, and other ways to save by having a SAHP I don't think we could make that up, not at this point in time.

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2015, 03:48:44 PM »
I won't likely won't reply the rest of the day today, I have the usual evening "get dinner on the table - wash the dishes/clean the kitchen - entertain DD until bedtime - read until sleepy and turn in myself" routine about to start. So I'm not hair-flipping, I'll be back tomorrow morning to read/reply!

Annnnd......DD just got home crying that she wants a puppy...oy!

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2015, 07:04:50 PM »
Shit x3! I got stuck at the 5.75% interest rate on the mortgage. I want to read this whole case study, but this is stopping me completely. Why is is so high and what can you do to lower it immediately? As in stop what you're doing and get on the phone/internet/everything right away to get this lowered asap. That is one huge chunk of low hanging fruit.

5.75% was a good rate in 2005 when we got the loan. We spent a looooooong time underwater after the crash (paid $186k, original loan was for about $150k, house was worth about $100k at bottom of the crash), we just got to the point of breakeven/positive equity in the last 1-2 years. We were so far under we didn't qualify under HARP. Now that we plan to move in 3 years I don't know that it's worth it to refi at this point.
What if you end up not moving? Get on this right away, please. Three years from now you might be trying to kick yourself across the street. IDK if the HARP program is still going, but start there.

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 06:49:21 AM »
I also think that refinancing should be at the top of your to-do list. That's a slam dunk if you can make it happen. Maybe even start a separate thread for that if you're having trouble figuring out your options.

I see a lot of small painless wins in your budget. Why does your spouse want to keep his unlimited plan? Does he USE enough to justify it, or is he grandfathered in and doesn't want to 'lose out'? Would Ting actually cost more every month than TMobile? We switched to Ting over a year ago and it immediately started saving us $100 a month, and my favorite part is that I don't have to worry about what our usage is. Some months we use more than others, but overall we save a shit ton of money every single month. Also I think Ting has some incentives if you are breaking contract, so do the numbers - you may not need to wait. There's also a referral thread somewhere on the forum.

That's a lot of small subscription costs - I bet if you cancelled a bunch, no one would miss it. List them all out, pick one a month, cancel and see what happens. (Honestly, nothing will happen, you'll just save some money and your life will be simpler.)

And really, you need to get rid of a car. We have an Altima as well, and a fixer upper house, and that car fits A LOT of stuff in it. When we've had large reno projects (requiring a lot of drywall etc) we just rented a Home Depot truck for a few hours. You could save some money and probably a lot of hassle only having to deal with two cars (maybe even 1..?) My spouse really really really wants a Ford Ranger so I totally get it, but financially it's just silly for us to get one and we clearly don't need it.

All of these costs look small on the screen (yea, the Ranger doesn't cost very much, nor does Amazon, kid photos, or the newspaper, or blahblahblah) but when you cut RECURRING expenses, it starts to snowball with very little effort and your quality of life stays the same. THAT'S how you get down to one income. That's how we did it too - down to one car, just Netflix, no Amazon Prime BS, cut AAA and the newspaper, etc. Totally doable. (But definitely refinance that mortgage!)

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 08:02:31 AM »
I'll look into that refinance, honestly we were underwater for so long it was just something that fell off my radar, then with the move coming up relatively soon, again it just didn't occur to me to bother. Still it never hurts to crunch the numbers, worst that would happen is I'd find it's not worth the effort, but best case it shaves a few hundred off each month and we wind up ahead even with closing costs.

Any recommendations? I haven't looked at mortgages in 10 years!

I hear you on the truck, I do! But it's not up to me. I'd sell that hunk of scrap metal this afternoon if I could.

Netflix gets used A LOT but I don't order nearly as much from Amazon as I used to so I don't know that it's worth the free shipping, and we don't use it for movies/music etc. I re-evaluate Amazon. Newspaper is probably going to go, AAA might go if I can find towing coverage elsewhere for less. Costco is going to stay, Amex is going to stay ($60 fee a year saves $500-$700 a year in hotel costs at minimum, will be more when we start traveling more in a few years as DD gets older).

DH uses a ton of data on his phone, I checked online with T-Mobile and he averages at least 10 GB per month (always streaming movies/tv shows).   I'll crunch the numbers but I have a feeling he's actually better off with T-Mobile with that much usage. Me, on the other hand, I don't use my phone nearly as much (for anything) so Ting will be perfect. I don't have unlimited on T-Mobile but even so Ting should save some, at least.


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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 08:36:44 AM »
I'll look into that refinance, honestly we were underwater for so long it was just something that fell off my radar, then with the move coming up relatively soon, again it just didn't occur to me to bother. Still it never hurts to crunch the numbers, worst that would happen is I'd find it's not worth the effort, but best case it shaves a few hundred off each month and we wind up ahead even with closing costs.

Any recommendations? I haven't looked at mortgages in 10 years!

I hear you on the truck, I do! But it's not up to me. I'd sell that hunk of scrap metal this afternoon if I could.

Netflix gets used A LOT but I don't order nearly as much from Amazon as I used to so I don't know that it's worth the free shipping, and we don't use it for movies/music etc. I re-evaluate Amazon. Newspaper is probably going to go, AAA might go if I can find towing coverage elsewhere for less. Costco is going to stay, Amex is going to stay ($60 fee a year saves $500-$700 a year in hotel costs at minimum, will be more when we start traveling more in a few years as DD gets older).

DH uses a ton of data on his phone, I checked online with T-Mobile and he averages at least 10 GB per month (always streaming movies/tv shows).   I'll crunch the numbers but I have a feeling he's actually better off with T-Mobile with that much usage. Me, on the other hand, I don't use my phone nearly as much (for anything) so Ting will be perfect. I don't have unlimited on T-Mobile but even so Ting should save some, at least.

10GB a month!!  Holy crap, I use my tmobile hotspot constantly to do technology work and I usually end up in the 7-11gb/month range.  Your husband must be literally streaming like 2 hours of movies per day, how does he have time to watch all of that on his phone?

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2015, 09:54:07 AM »
I'll look into that refinance, honestly we were underwater for so long it was just something that fell off my radar, then with the move coming up relatively soon, again it just didn't occur to me to bother. Still it never hurts to crunch the numbers, worst that would happen is I'd find it's not worth the effort, but best case it shaves a few hundred off each month and we wind up ahead even with closing costs.

Any recommendations? I haven't looked at mortgages in 10 years!

I hear you on the truck, I do! But it's not up to me. I'd sell that hunk of scrap metal this afternoon if I could.

Netflix gets used A LOT but I don't order nearly as much from Amazon as I used to so I don't know that it's worth the free shipping, and we don't use it for movies/music etc. I re-evaluate Amazon. Newspaper is probably going to go, AAA might go if I can find towing coverage elsewhere for less. Costco is going to stay, Amex is going to stay ($60 fee a year saves $500-$700 a year in hotel costs at minimum, will be more when we start traveling more in a few years as DD gets older).

DH uses a ton of data on his phone, I checked online with T-Mobile and he averages at least 10 GB per month (always streaming movies/tv shows).   I'll crunch the numbers but I have a feeling he's actually better off with T-Mobile with that much usage. Me, on the other hand, I don't use my phone nearly as much (for anything) so Ting will be perfect. I don't have unlimited on T-Mobile but even so Ting should save some, at least.

10GB a month!!  Holy crap, I use my tmobile hotspot constantly to do technology work and I usually end up in the 7-11gb/month range.  Your husband must be literally streaming like 2 hours of movies per day, how does he have time to watch all of that on his phone?

2 hours a day sounds about right. He watches tv/movies during down periods at work (his bosses don't care, everyone does it) and over his meal period.

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Re: Case Study – Getting down to one income?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2015, 10:37:34 AM »
I'll look into that refinance, honestly we were underwater for so long it was just something that fell off my radar, then with the move coming up relatively soon, again it just didn't occur to me to bother. Still it never hurts to crunch the numbers, worst that would happen is I'd find it's not worth the effort, but best case it shaves a few hundred off each month and we wind up ahead even with closing costs.

Any recommendations? I haven't looked at mortgages in 10 years!

I hear you on the truck, I do! But it's not up to me. I'd sell that hunk of scrap metal this afternoon if I could.

Netflix gets used A LOT but I don't order nearly as much from Amazon as I used to so I don't know that it's worth the free shipping, and we don't use it for movies/music etc. I re-evaluate Amazon. Newspaper is probably going to go, AAA might go if I can find towing coverage elsewhere for less. Costco is going to stay, Amex is going to stay ($60 fee a year saves $500-$700 a year in hotel costs at minimum, will be more when we start traveling more in a few years as DD gets older).

DH uses a ton of data on his phone, I checked online with T-Mobile and he averages at least 10 GB per month (always streaming movies/tv shows).   I'll crunch the numbers but I have a feeling he's actually better off with T-Mobile with that much usage. Me, on the other hand, I don't use my phone nearly as much (for anything) so Ting will be perfect. I don't have unlimited on T-Mobile but even so Ting should save some, at least.

Regarding the refi, look into a no-points/no-cost refi and see if you can get one in your area.  You may pay a slightly higher interest rate (1/8 %), but then you wouldn't need to worry about the closing costs wiping out your savings.  Just make sure it's really "no-cost" and that they don't add the closing costs to your mortgage balance.
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Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!