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I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« on: September 27, 2016, 12:37:07 AM »
I'm male, 27 and work in warehousing/logistics.

I started work at a new company 9 months ago and in the interview stage I made my current manager and also his boss aware that in a few years time I would like my bosses job of manager. However, now that I see directly the stress, time and conflict that he goes through as a manager, it has really thoroughly put me off managing staff.

I'd always dreamt of being in a role like his for the last 3-4 years but now I've seen it up front I don't like what I see.

I earn a decent enough wage now 61k and I think he is on about 90k so it's a 50% pay rise but I think it would just make me miserable.


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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 01:53:21 AM »
I hear you. 

Just had a job interview (designer role) it quickly turned into a bunch of management questions. When they finally asked would want to be a manager I proudly said "No."

At least the pay raise was decent for you, but only you know if you'll thrive in such a position. But you'll never know if you never experience it. Try and do it with a fallback position, I've spent about six months in management throughout my career and know it ain't worth it for a 10% raise.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 04:29:04 AM »
I hear you, I manage a small team and it isn't worth the extra pay. If I got paid 40% more than my staff I'd be more into it but I get barely 10% more than my highest paid team member.

Part of it comes down to advocating for pay increases for my team which has seen the base wage of their position rise 15% in the past 18 months, however now I'd much rather rather their jobs than my own ha!

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 05:28:59 AM »
90% Of stress from a job is self inflicted.   It shouldn't be more stressful, you are now just doing a different type of work.
I see folks that literally "melt down" in management roles and others that handle things very calmly, without getting excited.

You'd be silly not to take the opportunity and money that goes with it, and give it n honest effort.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 06:40:30 AM »
Join the club! 

I'm a senior staff accountant, and I have little to no desire to be in a managing role.  I make 90K as a senior, and the manager probably makes a decent 20K more than me... but my job is just easy enough as it is, and I make good contributions.  I don't actually want to do the manager level work.  I've actually been in supervisory roles before and wasn't a huge fan.  I felt like I loss touch with the work they were doing very quickly.  I like to be hands on.

The money would be nice.  After taxes it would still be a good bit extra I could save.  As a matter of fact, thinking about it right now makes me think I'm slightly foolish to not want it.  But at the end of the day, I'm just content with what I've got.  My organization is steady with their 3% raises every year for solid performers.  I'll just ride this train all the way to FI.

But going from $60K to $90K is a more significant jump.  I don't know how flexible your employer will be, but if you wanted to try the role, could you?  Maybe they could hire a 6 month temp to do your role while you tried out the manager position, if it should become available to you?  If you end up finding it works for you, you can take the role permanently and take the temp on permanently.  Or, the temp's contract could end and you could go back to your old job.  IDK, 30K might be worth it.


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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 07:23:28 AM »
No problem.

I'm FIRE, but I never touched management my entire career.  It wasn't for me.  I like "keeping my hands dirty".  I don't deal with people well.  A number of my friends tried management and quickly realized it wasn't for them and went back to technical work.

Some companies even have both management tracks and technical tracks... where you can advance without having to take on managerial responsibilities.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 07:38:41 AM »
It's kind of like the difference between being a player or being a coach.   There are a whole lot more players out there than there are coaches, and good coaches are in high demand.
Take a look at some of the coaches you are familiar with.   On one side you have the crazy, loud, screamers that look like they could have a heart attack any day, then on the other side you have those with a calm, friendly demeanor that can also be effective at getting the job done.

Definitely not for everybody, but lots of opportunity there if you can handle it.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 07:50:23 AM »
Good that you figured it out now! ;)
Good managers are rare. There is a lot of stress. Unfortunate, management is a lot like politics: it seems to 'attract' those who want the power over others, and that is the bad kind of manager. Those who make good conscientious managers are not attracted to management!
Good luck!

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 08:20:19 AM »
90% Of stress from a job is self inflicted.   It shouldn't be more stressful, you are now just doing a different type of work.
I see folks that literally "melt down" in management roles and others that handle things very calmly, without getting excited.

You'd be silly not to take the opportunity and money that goes with it, and give it n honest effort.
There's definitely a lot of truth to this. But it's also true that some people are a better or worse fit for certain types of work, and being in the wrong position can increase the inherent stress level even before you add your own "baggage" to it.

Also, a management position generally means increased responsibility. That additional responsibility, especially when it's direct responsibility for & to other people that you know, is likely to produce some additional stress for the average person (or anyone with normal levels of empathy).

And of course if you know you're the type who will bring a lot of self-imposed pressure to the job, then maybe it's better to just avoid the situation entirely. We can't all be perfect stoic sages 100% of the time; sometimes you have to pick your battles, and set yourself up for success rather than failure.



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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 12:20:36 PM »
Before taking a management position, my advice would be to make sure you have a clear understanding of what's expected from the person in that role.  Do they expect you to work longer hours?  Do they expect you to be on-call all the time?  Are they going to hold your feet to the fire every time one of your employees makes a mistake?  How much freedom will you be given when it comes to setting expectations for your group?

I took a management position without getting the answers to these questions, and it was a bad mistake.  I should have taken more time to think it over (and ask questions) before saying yes. 

As someone else mentioned, it's possible that your boss is creating a lot of his own stress.  It's just as possible that it's due to unrealistic demands from his superiors.  You need to figure out where the truth lies before making a move.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 01:32:00 PM »
I finished my MBA last year and during the coursework decided I don't really want to be a manager. It was still a great experience since I had an IT degree so had never taken many of the business courses. Many people aren't meant to be managers and I'm one of them.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 02:05:24 PM »
90% Of stress from a job is self inflicted.   It shouldn't be more stressful, you are now just doing a different type of work.
I see folks that literally "melt down" in management roles and others that handle things very calmly, without getting excited.

You'd be silly not to take the opportunity and money that goes with it, and give it n honest effort.
+1

Look around, is there at least one manager who is not stressed out.  ?  You have to learn to only care about the stuff you can directly control, and leave the rest undone.

Management does not have to be super, duper stressful, but will require more hours and at unforeseen times.

Warehouse management often gets 'that employee' that likes to yell at supervisors every day, for example. You would just lay down what  is acceptable for you, and then discipline or fire employees that jump over that line. ( or hire more women in the mix, ) mixed gender work forces are so much easier than just male or female, for some reason- more accommodating or reasonable as a group.

Don't pass it up before you try it!

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 02:59:23 PM »
90% Of stress from a job is self inflicted.   It shouldn't be more stressful, you are now just doing a different type of work.
I see folks that literally "melt down" in management roles and others that handle things very calmly, without getting excited.

You'd be silly not to take the opportunity and money that goes with it, and give it n honest effort.

I agree it's worth trying to know if you'll like it - but if you're an introverted engineering type, I doubt management will be up your alley and you will be more stressed. There's lots of people that try management and go back to doing the technical work because they love building and not managing.

But, OP, you may very well react differently to the current managers and bring a fresh positive spin to things and actually enjoy it. We are very bad at predicting what we will and won't like in all actuality.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2016, 01:59:35 AM »
Don't take it.
Don't fall for the peter principle and do what you are good at and enjoy.
Don't do a job you suck at, and dislike. And cause other people to hate their job and you.


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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2016, 11:41:26 AM »
Don't knock it before you try it - it might fit you well. And if it's not for you, don't feel bad. At least you tried.

I got promoted to a management position a year ago and I'm still in doubt whether I really can do it or want it. One thing's for sure, I didn't do it for the money (a whopping extra 80 bucks a month).

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2016, 11:49:05 AM »
If you're just going off of what you see your current manager dealing with, that's like saying you're swearing off frostys because he hates Wendy's. If you want to be a manager, then make the decision after you actually do it.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2016, 01:47:53 PM »
My question is:

What is the backup plan if you don't like it?

Do you stay at your current company and go back to your (now) 'old' job?

Here at my place of employment, that is like being blacklisted in a way because it would be looked at as a "demotion" no matter whether you chose to simply return to the old job or not.  Which may be okay with you if you never want to move up again.  Just a different angle to consider as I feel you need to go into it with a full commitment (as much as possible) whereas "trying it out" seems a little more hasty and I think management wants managers who are decisive and fully committed to succeeding and staying the course once promoted...

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 03:15:05 PM »
I do not want to be a manger at my current megacorp.  The culture is toxic and they set managers up for failure.

I would happily be a manager somewhere else - and I think I'd be good at it.

If you have doubts, then it's fine to take some time (years) and think about it.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 03:26:47 PM »
By asking the question at this particular web site I see you are getting the answer you want.  You have to really want to be a manager if you are going to be good.  You also have to have very good people skills, a good communicator, be smart, and willing to hire and trust really good people.
At this web site you will get a lot of people telling you to say no.  If you are not all of the above just say no.

But if you have good people and LEADERSHIP skills being a good manager can be very rewarding.  Being a bad manager is a nightmare.

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Re: I don't think I want to be a manager at work
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 04:14:00 PM »
Funny, I work in warehousing as well, though for a food/beverage company. My bosses, all three levels up (certifier, super, manager) all enjoy their jobs, so much so that they are constantly moving up. Perhaps a different company would suit you?

Our facility has a pretty great reputation for meeting quotas and goals. We are constantly being awarded, praised, etc. Our manager loves it, he gets tons of credit. From what I see on the ground (as a picker/loader) we have a well run system that has very few roadblocks. How about finding out which facilities are top performers and aim your sights there? The laggards in our company aren't badly managed or employed, usually it's a systemic issue (building design, old tech, etc.) holding performance back and stressing people out. Getting on with a well run warehouse might bring less stress and be more rewarding.

 

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