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How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« on: June 17, 2015, 08:42:57 AM »
Literally, how does one go about it? We've just gotten the house to the "finished enough" stage this week. I've never shopped for homeowners insurance before.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 10:11:59 AM »
My policy just re-upped in June, and I spent a large swath of April/May calling around, trying to find a better rate, so I've just been through this, and here's what I learned.

If you're employed, look to see if your workplace offers discounts with certain providers, and check them out first. Insurance companies really like payroll deduction. If you have auto insurance, check to see if you can get a discount through bundling with the same insurance company. Otherwise, gather a list a companies and grab your phone.

When you call the company, the insurance agent will ask you a long list of questions -- everything from the square footage to what the walls and floors are made out of. This is to determine the "dwelling/replacement cost" of your home, which is how much they'll pay out to rebuild your house if it were to get destroyed. If that number is too low, your premium will be lower but you will be under-insured -- as well as vice versa -- so you want it to be as accurate/realistic as possible. It sounds like you're building your own, so you should know exactly what this figure should be.

The discretionary parts of your policy have to do with deductibles. Most policies have a $1k deductible, but you can bump that higher (ours is $5k). There are also medical payments and liability, which you can bump lower if you wish. I think we got the lowest medical payment offered (it's not much anyway so we're fine with assuming the risk ourselves), but kept the higher liability because we actually have enough assets to sue over if an accident happens on our property. If you live in a hurricane-prone area, there's also an option for a lower or higher hurricane deductible which is a percent of your dwelling cost. There might be other disaster-related stuff depending on where you live.

The most important part, though, is to call multiple companies and compare their quotes. I actually spent weeks on this, haggling back and forth. A lot of places will "magically" find a new discount for you if it looks like you might not go with them, so don't be shy. Insurance agents earn a commission by signing clients, so they really want you.

Lastly, do NOT let your policy go on autopilot for years at a time. The insurance company will automatically raise the dwelling cost each year, along with your premium, so ask them exactly what the calculation is so you know what to expect, and renegotiate if the cost rises above what's reasonable or competitive. (This is where I erred -- I let my premium balloon way out of control before I wrenched it back down, and April/May will forever be "review insurance month" for me going forward. :P)

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 10:15:51 AM »
Usually you get multiline discounts if you shop your home, auto, and umbrella together. If you have an umbrella, some firms require you to have the other 2 policies with them.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 10:18:41 AM »
Be careful how you describe "finished enough" to the insurance company.  I'm not sure what "enough" means to you... but for us we had downstairs finished to 100% and upstairs was drywall only.  (No flooring, no paint, no light or plumbing fixtures.  All electrical and plumbing otherwise done and stubbed out.)

When I was totally up front with this with my insurance apps, I was denied coverage.  I have no idea why...  I would only expect them to replace it to the condition it was in.  It's not like I was building half a house, burning it down, then claiming replacement cost for the whole house.

What we finally did was: just answer everything 100% truthfully -- but without volunteering the partial completion.  I'm getting close enough on the upstairs that I'm about to resubmit to several of them to try to find a better deal, so I'd be very interested to hear how it goes and who has better deals.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 11:35:22 AM »
Be careful how you describe "finished enough" to the insurance company.  I'm not sure what "enough" means to you... but for us we had downstairs finished to 100% and upstairs was drywall only.  (No flooring, no paint, no light or plumbing fixtures.  All electrical and plumbing otherwise done and stubbed out.)

When I was totally up front with this with my insurance apps, I was denied coverage.  I have no idea why...  I would only expect them to replace it to the condition it was in.  It's not like I was building half a house, burning it down, then claiming replacement cost for the whole house.

What we finally did was: just answer everything 100% truthfully -- but without volunteering the partial completion.  I'm getting close enough on the upstairs that I'm about to resubmit to several of them to try to find a better deal, so I'd be very interested to hear how it goes and who has better deals.


Yeah, I've learned my lesson about giving out too much information. "Finished enough" means I don't think they'll be able to tell anything, and I'm not about to volunteer information about the trim inside.


Thanks, everyone. Is it a bad idea to go to a broker?

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 11:36:29 AM »

Lastly, do NOT let your policy go on autopilot for years at a time. The insurance company will automatically raise the dwelling cost each year, along with your premium, so ask them exactly what the calculation is so you know what to expect, and renegotiate if the cost rises above what's reasonable or competitive. (This is where I erred -- I let my premium balloon way out of control before I wrenched it back down, and April/May will forever be "review insurance month" for me going forward. :P)

Okay, I think you gave some sound advice, but what I have bolded above is done for good reason.  It's an inflation guard that insurance companies use.  Cost of materials and cost of construction increases every year.  So, let's say you insured your house for 250k replacement cost, and 10 years later you had a fire.  I'd wager just about anything that it would be underinsured, because the change in materials that are used, and the costs just increase.

Usually that amount that it increases is about 4% every year, not industry standard, but that is what I have seen most carriers use.  They do the same for any type of property, whether a commercial business, farm buildings, or houses.  I have seen commercial policies have upwards of a 6%-8% inflation guard. 

Just wanted to clear that part up.

Another thing to look into is water and sewer backup, depending on where you live and your water table.  If we get heavy rains, we have basements that get flooded.  Some companies also offer a 125% replacement cost endorsement, which seems a bit silly, but it is usually cheap.  Essentially, if you have it on your policy, and you have a total loss, they are going to pay you 125% of what you had it insured for.  Probably a waste of money, to be honest, but hey, it's available.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 11:41:53 AM »
Usually you get multiline discounts if you shop your home, auto, and umbrella together. If you have an umbrella, some firms require you to have the other 2 policies with them.

THIS.  Particularly, make sure to get a quote from the company that you have auto insurance with.  That's usually good for a nice-sized discount... on BOTH policies! And, if your auto insurance carrier does not do homeowners insurance, once you do have homeowners insurance go to THAT company and get a discount on your auto.

Good luck.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 12:33:05 PM »
The "how to shop" for insurance varies based on where you live. In Florida for example, few (none?) of the insurance companies will provide an online quote. When living in Florida, I googled a few local brokers and then submitted a request form on their website. The one that got back to me the quickest with a reasonable quote got my business.

Now that I no longer reside in Florida I completed online quotes from several of the larger insurance companies. Most of the quotes were within a few percentage points of each other. I chose the company with the best reviews/reputation.

As others have mentioned, try for a bundle discount auto/home and keep your deductible as high as you can.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 12:38:33 PM »
Be careful how you describe "finished enough" to the insurance company.  I'm not sure what "enough" means to you... but for us we had downstairs finished to 100% and upstairs was drywall only.  (No flooring, no paint, no light or plumbing fixtures.  All electrical and plumbing otherwise done and stubbed out.)

When I was totally up front with this with my insurance apps, I was denied coverage.  I have no idea why...  I would only expect them to replace it to the condition it was in.  It's not like I was building half a house, burning it down, then claiming replacement cost for the whole house.

What we finally did was: just answer everything 100% truthfully -- but without volunteering the partial completion.  I'm getting close enough on the upstairs that I'm about to resubmit to several of them to try to find a better deal, so I'd be very interested to hear how it goes and who has better deals.

When your house is not finished, it's at a much greater risk. There are tons of workers coming in and out that could damage stuff or steal things. There could be a fire or a flood or something could fall apart just because of the construction. Someone could get injured because of the construction.

I didn't realize your house wasn't completed. You also have to be living in your house for the policy to apply. This is another risk for the insurer. You aren't even allowed to leave it vacant for a couple months while you go on a long trip. If something happens while you are not living in it, or it's still under construction, and you make a claim, you could be committing insurance fraud. It sounds like you want a vacancy policy until your house is complete and you actually live in it.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 01:07:56 PM »
Be careful how you describe "finished enough" to the insurance company.  I'm not sure what "enough" means to you... but for us we had downstairs finished to 100% and upstairs was drywall only.  (No flooring, no paint, no light or plumbing fixtures.  All electrical and plumbing otherwise done and stubbed out.)

When I was totally up front with this with my insurance apps, I was denied coverage.  I have no idea why...  I would only expect them to replace it to the condition it was in.  It's not like I was building half a house, burning it down, then claiming replacement cost for the whole house.

What we finally did was: just answer everything 100% truthfully -- but without volunteering the partial completion.  I'm getting close enough on the upstairs that I'm about to resubmit to several of them to try to find a better deal, so I'd be very interested to hear how it goes and who has better deals.

When your house is not finished, it's at a much greater risk. There are tons of workers coming in and out that could damage stuff or steal things. There could be a fire or a flood or something could fall apart just because of the construction. Someone could get injured because of the construction.

I didn't realize your house wasn't completed. You also have to be living in your house for the policy to apply. This is another risk for the insurer. You aren't even allowed to leave it vacant for a couple months while you go on a long trip. If something happens while you are not living in it, or it's still under construction, and you make a claim, you could be committing insurance fraud. It sounds like you want a vacancy policy until your house is complete and you actually live in it.


House is complete and we've lived in it, with certificate of occupancy, for two years. Until this week, the siding outside was not pretty, and that got us refused a year and a half ago when I went looking for insurance. Inside, we don't have all the trim done, and the library shelves aren't built. That's what I don't intend to point out. There will be no workers, so that's not an issue.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2015, 01:41:25 PM »
Be careful how you describe "finished enough" to the insurance company.  I'm not sure what "enough" means to you... but for us we had downstairs finished to 100% and upstairs was drywall only.  (No flooring, no paint, no light or plumbing fixtures.  All electrical and plumbing otherwise done and stubbed out.)

When I was totally up front with this with my insurance apps, I was denied coverage.  I have no idea why...  I would only expect them to replace it to the condition it was in.  It's not like I was building half a house, burning it down, then claiming replacement cost for the whole house.

What we finally did was: just answer everything 100% truthfully -- but without volunteering the partial completion.  I'm getting close enough on the upstairs that I'm about to resubmit to several of them to try to find a better deal, so I'd be very interested to hear how it goes and who has better deals.

When your house is not finished, it's at a much greater risk. There are tons of workers coming in and out that could damage stuff or steal things. There could be a fire or a flood or something could fall apart just because of the construction. Someone could get injured because of the construction.

I didn't realize your house wasn't completed. You also have to be living in your house for the policy to apply. This is another risk for the insurer. You aren't even allowed to leave it vacant for a couple months while you go on a long trip. If something happens while you are not living in it, or it's still under construction, and you make a claim, you could be committing insurance fraud. It sounds like you want a vacancy policy until your house is complete and you actually live in it.

We were living in it.  No workers coming and going.  We finished it ourselves.  Nothing was unsafe... there were subfloors and walls up... wires all behind plates, AC installed, etc.

It was half a house on purpose.  We were funding the second half a little at a time and doing the work at a slow pace, but all the major stuff was done. 

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2015, 02:16:48 PM »
Is it a bad idea to go to a broker?

Personally, I use a broker.  Actually I use 2-3 and let them know I'm shopping for a broker.  I provide them a copy of my auto insurance and home insurance and see if they can beat it.  I found that they shop around just as well as I could.  The annual cost for the broker is an extra $50/year (premium on the policy for the broker) but I tend to save more than that plus spend little to no time looking.  I've tried to find the deals myself, but 1/2 of the companies they run my numbers through, I've never even heard of.  And for home insurance, it is always one of these smaller, unknown to me companies that ends up winning my business.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2015, 02:27:11 PM »
Usually you get multiline discounts if you shop your home, auto, and umbrella together. If you have an umbrella, some firms require you to have the other 2 policies with them.

THIS.  Particularly, make sure to get a quote from the company that you have auto insurance with.  That's usually good for a nice-sized discount... on BOTH policies! And, if your auto insurance carrier does not do homeowners insurance, once you do have homeowners insurance go to THAT company and get a discount on your auto.

Good luck.

For me, I've got such a good rate on car insurance with Geico, that literally every time I tried to do a multiline deal with other companies, my car insurance would be more-even with the multiline discount.  Same goes for my home insurance with Progressive Homesite.  Strange thing is if I tried to get a multiline discount with Geico, the Home insurance portion is way higher than it is with Progressive and vice versa for the car insurance with Progressive. 

I shopped around like gangbusters after my first quote on home insurance from Geico was $2,600 a year.  Progressive's offering me the same policy for $1000 a year. 

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2015, 08:01:44 PM »
Well, I got a couple of quotes online (progressive and Natiowide) and will do USAA and a couple of others. I may yet call up a broker, depending, but the quotes are coming in between $380 snd $420 a year so far.


Spork, who do you have now?

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2015, 09:10:37 PM »
Well, I got a couple of quotes online (progressive and Natiowide) and will do USAA and a couple of others. I may yet call up a broker, depending, but the quotes are coming in between $380 snd $420 a year so far.


Spork, who do you have now?

We use Allstate, but I cannot really recommend them. 

I have heard good things (but several years ago) about Amica, but they were one of the ones that turned me down a while back.  I'll probably try again with them in a few weeks when I get the trim painted/cleaned up.  (They wanted photos.)

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2015, 11:47:35 AM »

Lastly, do NOT let your policy go on autopilot for years at a time. The insurance company will automatically raise the dwelling cost each year, along with your premium, so ask them exactly what the calculation is so you know what to expect, and renegotiate if the cost rises above what's reasonable or competitive. (This is where I erred -- I let my premium balloon way out of control before I wrenched it back down, and April/May will forever be "review insurance month" for me going forward. :P)

Okay, I think you gave some sound advice, but what I have bolded above is done for good reason.  It's an inflation guard that insurance companies use.  Cost of materials and cost of construction increases every year.  So, let's say you insured your house for 250k replacement cost, and 10 years later you had a fire.  I'd wager just about anything that it would be underinsured, because the change in materials that are used, and the costs just increase.

Usually that amount that it increases is about 4% every year, not industry standard, but that is what I have seen most carriers use.  They do the same for any type of property, whether a commercial business, farm buildings, or houses.  I have seen commercial policies have upwards of a 6%-8% inflation guard. 

Just wanted to clear that part up.

Oh, I totally agree that inflation adjustments can be reasonable and appropriate, but my point was just that they shouldn't be accepted without question. When I called around for new quotes, not a single quote was even close to the dwelling cost that my existing insurance company had after 7 years of increases. (I actually wound up sticking with my old insurance company after they re-ran the dwelling cost and brought it back in range with the other quotes.) I'm not trying to argue that inflation isn't real, because it obviously is, but I'd still keep an eye on the dwelling cost and make sure that it stays in line with true rebuilding costs.

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2015, 11:56:02 AM »
Well, I got a couple of quotes online (progressive and Natiowide) and will do USAA and a couple of others. I may yet call up a broker, depending, but the quotes are coming in between $380 snd $420 a year so far.


Spork, who do you have now?

At least in our market, you will almost certainly have to pay for a 4 point inspection (it's not much, ~$50) but they'll come out and take pictures, check your plumbing, electrical, A/C, and roof.  They will have to come inside to do some of this, obviously, so if you have unfinished areas that will be evident, keep this in mind.  Once you've had coverage for a year or two, you can likely swap companies without having to have a reinspection.

I just got coverage on our current house, that had not had insurance for several years, and I had a hell of a time.  Most companies would not write a policy at all on a house with a gap in coverage.  When I found one, their quote was outrageous, they required the 4 point inspection, they bitched and wanted extra pictures *after* said inspection, raised the quote $100 because the house wasn't built on a slab (WTF?), and now I'm getting calls that they want to come out for a "mandatory" reinspection as apparently all of that wasn't good enough.

Hope your experience is better!

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Re: How to shop for homeowners insurance?
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2015, 01:51:26 PM »

Lastly, do NOT let your policy go on autopilot for years at a time. The insurance company will automatically raise the dwelling cost each year, along with your premium, so ask them exactly what the calculation is so you know what to expect, and renegotiate if the cost rises above what's reasonable or competitive. (This is where I erred -- I let my premium balloon way out of control before I wrenched it back down, and April/May will forever be "review insurance month" for me going forward. :P)

Okay, I think you gave some sound advice, but what I have bolded above is done for good reason.  It's an inflation guard that insurance companies use.  Cost of materials and cost of construction increases every year.  So, let's say you insured your house for 250k replacement cost, and 10 years later you had a fire.  I'd wager just about anything that it would be underinsured, because the change in materials that are used, and the costs just increase.

Usually that amount that it increases is about 4% every year, not industry standard, but that is what I have seen most carriers use.  They do the same for any type of property, whether a commercial business, farm buildings, or houses.  I have seen commercial policies have upwards of a 6%-8% inflation guard. 

Just wanted to clear that part up.

Oh, I totally agree that inflation adjustments can be reasonable and appropriate, but my point was just that they shouldn't be accepted without question. When I called around for new quotes, not a single quote was even close to the dwelling cost that my existing insurance company had after 7 years of increases. (I actually wound up sticking with my old insurance company after they re-ran the dwelling cost and brought it back in range with the other quotes.) I'm not trying to argue that inflation isn't real, because it obviously is, but I'd still keep an eye on the dwelling cost and make sure that it stays in line with true rebuilding costs.

Ahh, thanks for the further explanation.  That makes total sense, and you're right, sometimes the dwelling value increases more than it should, and you end of overinsured, which is pointless.  We re-run replacement cost estimators every 5 years for our customers, that way we are always relatively up to date on the housing value, and double checking that no one is under or over insured. 

And I agree, that one should always ask questions, don't just follow the herd!