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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2022, 08:07:42 AM »
I'd say it's a combo of kid temperament and job stress/flexibilty. We have chill kids and flexible jobs so we're able to make it work. Some folks aren't as lucky, you never know what you're going to get with kids.

Truth. I don't have kids but I am a decade older than my baby brother and my mom was a single mom, so I've done a lot of parenting in my time, and some kids are MUCH harder than others.

My brother is a large part of why I don't want kids, and my mom has said many times that if she had him first, I wouldn't exist.

He was A LOT of fun, but also required A LOT of energy, and sometimes pushed us past our limits of coping. We often say he's lucky he survived his childhood. It was kind of like living with a cross between an evil genius and a wild animal.

We have a phrase for this in my family: "chaos tolerance." Different people and families have different levels of chaos tolerance.

I have seven siblings; five of them are younger than me; the youngest is 14 years younger. Our house was absolute bedlam at all times, in the best possible way. 

Because of that, as my older sibs and I have grown up and had kids, we have all been somewhat surprised by our spouses' difficulty tolerating the noise and demands of children. But we were all raised in an environment where you might, at any moment, be interrupted to slice up a banana or wipe a butt, where someone might run past you or shoot you with a water gun, and we basically don't even register that as a problem. That's the way our brains are wired. My college friends made it a running joke that if I was watching TV, they could rearrange the entire room behind me and I wouldn't notice.

But for someone who grew up quietly reading a book, with basically zero chance that one or more children would suddenly roller-skate into you or a baby would begin to wail from the other room, it's much more of a shock to the system. Because even one baby is a LOT of noise and interruption.

I think I may have allowed my son to be a little more feral than is generally acceptable, because I honestly hardly register whether he runs in the house or practices owl calls for 30 straight minutes. To me, that's the baseline. I once looked up from my book and he had somehow lured three ducks into the house, and we don't even have ducks.

BUT-- I really enjoyed his infant and toddler years, even though he is absolutely a wild animal. I would have called them blissful.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2022, 08:26:34 AM »
I'd say it's a combo of kid temperament and job stress/flexibilty. We have chill kids and flexible jobs so we're able to make it work. Some folks aren't as lucky, you never know what you're going to get with kids.

Truth. I don't have kids but I am a decade older than my baby brother and my mom was a single mom, so I've done a lot of parenting in my time, and some kids are MUCH harder than others.

My brother is a large part of why I don't want kids, and my mom has said many times that if she had him first, I wouldn't exist.

He was A LOT of fun, but also required A LOT of energy, and sometimes pushed us past our limits of coping. We often say he's lucky he survived his childhood. It was kind of like living with a cross between an evil genius and a wild animal.

We have a phrase for this in my family: "chaos tolerance." Different people and families have different levels of chaos tolerance.

I have seven siblings; five of them are younger than me; the youngest is 14 years younger. Our house was absolute bedlam at all times, in the best possible way. 

Because of that, as my older sibs and I have grown up and had kids, we have all been somewhat surprised by our spouses' difficulty tolerating the noise and demands of children. But we were all raised in an environment where you might, at any moment, be interrupted to slice up a banana or wipe a butt, where someone might run past you or shoot you with a water gun, and we basically don't even register that as a problem. That's the way our brains are wired. My college friends made it a running joke that if I was watching TV, they could rearrange the entire room behind me and I wouldn't notice.

But for someone who grew up quietly reading a book, with basically zero chance that one or more children would suddenly roller-skate into you or a baby would begin to wail from the other room, it's much more of a shock to the system. Because even one baby is a LOT of noise and interruption.

I think I may have allowed my son to be a little more feral than is generally acceptable, because I honestly hardly register whether he runs in the house or practices owl calls for 30 straight minutes. To me, that's the baseline. I once looked up from my book and he had somehow lured three ducks into the house, and we don't even have ducks.

BUT-- I really enjoyed his infant and toddler years, even though he is absolutely a wild animal. I would have called them blissful.

Yeah...my parents were pretty cool with chaos, my two older brothers were definitely wild feral children. The little one was different though, he was brilliant and remarkably evil. Thankfully he dumbed down as he grew up and aged into a normal human being. Until then, we used to theorize what kind of criminal he would end up being.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2022, 09:44:04 AM »
I once looked up from my book and he had somehow lured three ducks into the house, and we don't even have ducks.

BUT-- I really enjoyed his infant and toddler years, even though he is absolutely a wild animal. I would have called them blissful.

This is brilliant and make me laugh out loud. Kids are hilarious.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2022, 09:48:09 AM »
My wife and I have 1 kid (5 years old). It was very easy.

I think kids are much more difficult when you have two working professionals.

My only advice would be to quit your professional jobs and get jobs more compatible with having kids.

If you can't quit, is it possible to work part-time when the kid is born?

Eeeeeh. My partner and I both have extremely flexible, white-collar jobs and having a kid is quite difficult logistically, emotionally, mentally, you name it. I have family members that quite their job to be full-time SAH parents, and 'easy' is not how they would describe their experience. Sometimes it works out as easy but I wouldn't generalize those experiences, nor expect them.

I have friends whose child has slept through the night since eight weeks, and friends who swear to the flying spaghetti monster that one of their daughters didn't sleep through the night until first grade.

my mom has said many times that if she had him first, I wouldn't exist.

A friend with two kids once said to me, "youngest children aren't trouble because they're the last, they're last because they're trouble." 

After their angelic first child they thought they wanted three, but it turns out that the second one was more than enough.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2022, 10:41:50 AM »
My brother is a large part of why I don't want kids, and my mom has said many times that if she had him first, I wouldn't exist.

He was A LOT of fun, but also required A LOT of energy, and sometimes pushed us past our limits of coping. We often say he's lucky he survived his childhood. It was kind of like living with a cross between an evil genius and a wild animal.

Your brother is apparently my daughter.  Most common saying in our house:  "if only she'd used her powers for good."  Bravest thing I ever did was decide to try for a second child (and once we did, I looked at him and said "ohhhh, so THAT's why people have more than one kid!"). 

Of course, I also have a niece known as Felony Melanie, so it may run in the family. . . . 

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2022, 10:48:34 AM »

I have friends whose child has slept through the night since eight weeks, and friends who swear to the flying spaghetti monster that one of their daughters didn't sleep through the night until first grade.


I feel like I have these children. One slept through the night from around 15-24 months but is almost 3 and still wakes up more often than not. The other is 19 months old and I can count on one hand the number of times she has slept through the night. My niece is also 19 months old and has slept through the night since she was 8 weeks. My brother and SIL don't do any of the things the sleep specialists recommend and it doesn't matter, she just goes to sleep and stays there. We've done everything recommended by the sleep specialist we met with and our child just doesn't sleep through the night. Kids can be so different.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2022, 11:08:54 AM »
2 pieces of advice, one financial, one not.

Financial:  this is a great time to investigate your assumptions and expectations about what you want your life with kids to be.  The reality is that kids can cost very little or a metric shit-ton; the difference is all in what you mean when you say you want to "plan" for kids.  Does that mean daycare, 2 full-time jobs, car at 16, fully-funded college, etc.?  Or everyone retires to a small farm and lives on what you can grow yourself?  Most folks are somewhere in-between.  But every option has financial ramifications, both on income and expenditures, and so you want to ensure that your financial plan meshes with what you want to provide for your kids.  What tends to breed unhappiness is when what you are doing varies from what you think you should do -- e.g., if all the other kids in the area have/do X, and your kid doesn't, that can breed guilt.  So you need to have a very clear vision of what you do and don't want to provide, and find your tribe of similarly-minded people, before you find yourself in the middle of the muddle and aren't understanding why life seems like a never-ending treadmill of stress and meh.   

Also, then you should prepare to be entirely wrong and to revisit that plan routinely.  ;-)

Non-financial:  Remember that it is your job to adjust to what your kid needs, and not your kid's job to adjust to you.  Kids and parents come in all different collections of temperaments and abilities and weaknesses, and not all of those naturally fit together well.  But raising emotionally healthy kids requires that kind of meshing; the kid needs to feel loved and secure and know what the limits are, and you need the kid to behave reasonably before you start tearing your hair out.  But the thing is, between the two of you, which one of you has the maturity to make that adjustment?  Kids don't have the self-awareness to realize that what they're doing isn't working; you do.  I mean, a baby is going to cry when it's upset rather than think, "hmmm, my crying really annoys my dad, so maybe I should learn to speak so I can communicate my wants."  You, OTOH, can realize that you can "parent" in many, many ways, and you can see each approach as a different strategy, and you can therefore elect to change your strategy when what comes naturally doesn't work for your kid. 

I speak from very personal experience with the hellion known as my daughter.  She was very ADHD, very extroverted, full of energy and life, super-sensitive to things like tags on shirt, and a giant rolling bundle of need for constant attention and reasurance and love; she's got the crusty outside and the gooey middle.  I'm an introvert who needs lots of downtime.  She freaking exhausted me, and absolutely none of the parenting strategies I learned growing up worked ("ignore a tantrum"?  HAH!).  I worked my ass off for the first c. 4 years of her life to figure out what would work ("1-2-3 Magic" and "Your Spirited Child" saved both our lives). 

My DH, OTOH, has a very authoritarian parenting style and pretty much expected her to adjust to him.  He'd read the books if I made him, and he'd go along with various disciplinary approaches, but he never really got it.  His authoritarian approach would just amp her up and make things worse until she'd go into a total death spiral.  So I ended up basically parenting him along with our kids, which wasn't remotely good for either our marriage or my stress level (and 20 years later, DD still prefers to talk to him through me).  In short:  don't be him.  It is your job to communicate effectively with your kids, to establish rules and limits that are clear and consistent, and to always make them feel secure and loved.  So when what you're doing isn't working, it's on you to try something else. 

And then once you've figured out what works with your first kid, assume that your second kid will be entirely different and you'll need to start over from scratch.  ;-)

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2022, 11:57:44 AM »
My brother is a large part of why I don't want kids, and my mom has said many times that if she had him first, I wouldn't exist.

He was A LOT of fun, but also required A LOT of energy, and sometimes pushed us past our limits of coping. We often say he's lucky he survived his childhood. It was kind of like living with a cross between an evil genius and a wild animal.

Your brother is apparently my daughter.  Most common saying in our house:  "if only she'd used her powers for good."  Bravest thing I ever did was decide to try for a second child (and once we did, I looked at him and said "ohhhh, so THAT's why people have more than one kid!"). 

Of course, I also have a niece known as Felony Melanie, so it may run in the family. . . .

Yep. When he was 6 he demolished our entire front veranda, and specifically timed this particular act of terrorism for the night before we made a long-haul move to another city. Little psychopath.

Terrible fucking human being as a child, but great adult. lol

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2022, 12:05:47 PM »
When he was 6 he demolished our entire front veranda, and specifically timed this particular act of terrorism for the night before we made a long-haul move to another city.

DAMN.  Now that's impressive.

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Re: How to prepare for kids (well in advance)
« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2022, 03:20:16 PM »
When he was 6 he demolished our entire front veranda, and specifically timed this particular act of terrorism for the night before we made a long-haul move to another city.

DAMN.  Now that's impressive.

Oh yeah, he was a fucking monster. Clever and funny as hell though, and he grew up to be a great adult.

Permanently turned me off of parenting though.