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« on: February 20, 2024, 12:32:02 PM »
How many of you have relationship issues? How many have arguments about money with your spouse? What about other non money issues?

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2024, 12:36:38 PM »
Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but I've found that financial security and freedom have made my relationships better, especially my marriage. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2024, 12:40:54 PM »
Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but I've found that financial security and freedom have made my relationships better, especially my marriage.

Absolutely wayyyyyy less friction in my marriage because of financial security. And I think that lack of friction ends up positively impacting other areas of the marriage as well. Very harmonious, over here.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2024, 01:31:57 PM »
What do you define as an issue? People aren’t always going to agree on every topic. Do you mean have discussions? Have differing viewpoints? Have arguments or fights? Something else?

We rarely have money issues. We’ll discuss, but rarely disagree with what the other wants to do. (And if so, usually it’s a very mild disagreement along the lines of: “stop thinking about it, it’s only X, just buy it!”)

The only recurring issue we really have is division of household labor, which we both feel strongly about.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2024, 01:32:37 PM »
Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but I've found that financial security and freedom have made my relationships better, especially my marriage.

Absolutely wayyyyyy less friction in my marriage because of financial security. And I think that lack of friction ends up positively impacting other areas of the marriage as well. Very harmonious, over here.

Very much agree. There's a reason why finances are listed as one of the major stressors in marriage. It's a rare marriage that can handle financial stress or disunity well. I'm very thankful that we are so much on the same page in our marriage and don't have financial worries to stress over.

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2024, 02:01:15 PM »
Nope, we have put an enormous amount of effort into being aligned with respect to our finances.

We've never once fought about money in the decade we've been together as of this week.

In that time we've tackled nearly a half million in unsecured debt, lost the much larger of our two incomes, bought multiple properties, and have spent a solid 6 figures on medical expenses, all while living essentially like students for the most part.

We once were briefly on opposing sides of a major financial decision to sell or keep a property, but only because we didn't fully understand each other's perspective on it, so we took a long walk and a few hours later were aligned as to what to do.

Frugality has actually been the cornerstone of the strength of our marriage because it prompts us to talk through literally everything in terms of what our options are, what those options truly mean to us, what happiness really is, what our priorities are, fears, etc.

When you are trying to optimize every cent of spending, that triggers a hell of a lot of contemplation of what you actually want from your life.

And when you truly understand what motivates another person and what they care more deeply about, it's easier to engage them in ways that are compassionate and don't trigger hostility.

Conflict is actually a wonderful and constructive thing when both people involved can engage from a respectful place.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2024, 04:52:09 PM »
all while living essentially like students for the most part.

My wife and I got married when we were both in grad school, which turned out to be a great way to set expectations and feel a sense of shared fate.  Since our habits and expectations were largely formed when we didn't have much money, it's been pretty easy to just keep that going.  We got married in our mid-20s, and I'm glad we got married early enough to shape our adult expectations together.

We definitely know couples who got all loaded up on a big lifestyle before one of them snapped out of it when they realized they were a servant of their house and cars.  This has always been really volatile, and I can think of at least one relationship that didn't survive it. 

My financial nightmare is waking up every day and going to work to fund a lavish lifestyle I don't even want.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2024, 06:03:20 PM »
I talked to DW about this some.

She says our relationships issues all revolve around me stressing out unnecessarily about imaginary made up scenarios of the future in my head, like if the 4% rule is going to fail or not.

Outside of this she says we have always worked seamlessly together and get along great together.

So - I guess I need to work on not randomly stressing myself out with my own anxiety, lol.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2024, 09:28:37 PM »
I don't remember ever having financial arguments. There isn't anything to even discuss. It was all automated 10+ years ago. I suspect in most cases money disagreements really boil down to innate differences in values, and we are really lock-step in that regard, so not an issue.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2024, 05:09:00 AM »
I don't remember ever having financial arguments. There isn't anything to even discuss. It was all automated 10+ years ago. I suspect in most cases money disagreements really boil down to innate differences in values, and we are really lock-step in that regard, so not an issue.

Yep, the main reason people have conflict over money is that they have never truly communicated on a deep level about the values underpinning their financial and professional priorities.

The stories people tell themselves and each other about why they want what they want are typically dreadfully under developed with minimal self-reflection. Without solid self-reflection, it's literally impossible to engage in meaningful, productive communication.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2024, 05:58:30 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace". 

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2024, 06:15:51 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2024, 06:17:30 AM »
ExH and I were NOT aligned on money issues at all...but made up for it by marrying 6 months after we met. /s

After marriage #1 failed 14 years later, it was very important to me to make sure that any future partner be on the same page financially. I also didn't want to rush into marriage the 2nd time. DH and I were together 5 years before marrying so we knew who we were individually and together.

He is grumpy in the mornings, sweats the small stuff, and has a horrible sense of direction. I am a recovering paper hoarder, not tech savvy, and a professional-level nag. So yes - we have issues.

However, we both feel like we won the relationship lottery. We (mostly) embrace our differences and are very good at working through disagreements respectfully. We are very much aligned financially, politically, morally, and in 90% of the other areas important to a relationship. The 10% where we differ doesn't trip us up much. I can't remember a disagreement in the last 21 years that we didn't resolve (or agree to disagree) after a couple hours.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2024, 06:19:20 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

Yes her ex was abusive. Interesting insight, but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge on dealing with someone like this, so any insight you could share with me, perhaps privately via PM would be appreciated.  I really, really want things to work out with her, but it is often challenging and frustrating. There are days when I feel things are going well and that we are making progress.  And other days I feel like giving up. 

If I could at least understand why she acts the way she does, I think it would help me lots and allow me to be more patient with her and our relationship. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2024, 06:25:34 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

Yes her ex was abusive. Interesting insight, but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge on dealing with someone like this, so any insight you could share with me, perhaps privately via PM would be appreciated.  I really, really want things to work out with her, but it is often challenging and frustrating. There are days when I feel things are going well and that we are making progress.  And other days I feel like giving up.

It's hard to become an expert in abuse trauma overnight.

But you could start by googling "relationship PTSD" to find general information about how it manifests.

But until she invests in repairing her own emotional injuries, you're not going to be able to change her. The only thing you can do is change how you respond to her.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2024, 06:29:52 AM »
I've also learned a lot by reading Metalcat's journal front to back. It's a commitment (at 125 pages and counting) but it dives deep on a lot of related topics.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2024, 06:31:02 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

Yes her ex was abusive. Interesting insight, but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge on dealing with someone like this, so any insight you could share with me, perhaps privately via PM would be appreciated.  I really, really want things to work out with her, but it is often challenging and frustrating. There are days when I feel things are going well and that we are making progress.  And other days I feel like giving up.

It's hard to become an expert in abuse trauma overnight.

But you could start by googling "relationship PTSD" to find general information about how it manifests.

But until she invests in repairing her own emotional injuries, you're not going to be able to change her. The only thing you can do is change how you respond to her.
Thanks, I will Google that.  In a general sense, how do you recommend I respond to her?  Are there things I can tell her to re-assure her and to make her feel safe in our relationship? 

She had sooooo many walls up in our relationship until recently, and some of those walls are now coming down, but there are still issues...

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2024, 06:31:39 AM »
I've also learned a lot by reading Metalcat's journal front to back. It's a commitment but it dives deep on a lot of related topics.
Where do I find this journal? 

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2024, 06:42:43 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

Yes her ex was abusive. Interesting insight, but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge on dealing with someone like this, so any insight you could share with me, perhaps privately via PM would be appreciated.  I really, really want things to work out with her, but it is often challenging and frustrating. There are days when I feel things are going well and that we are making progress.  And other days I feel like giving up.

It's hard to become an expert in abuse trauma overnight.

But you could start by googling "relationship PTSD" to find general information about how it manifests.

But until she invests in repairing her own emotional injuries, you're not going to be able to change her. The only thing you can do is change how you respond to her.
Thanks, I will Google that.  In a general sense, how do you recommend I respond to her?  Are there things I can tell her to re-assure her and to make her feel safe in our relationship? 

She had sooooo many walls up in our relationship until recently, and some of those walls are now coming down, but there are still issues...

These are VERY big questions beyond what I can or should handle in a thread like this.

A really good trauma-informed couples counsellor could be a good resource.


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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2024, 06:47:54 AM »
As you may have seen from my other posts, I am having relationship issues.  We have been together almost one year and while things have improved recently, I still think we may be incompatible as a couple.  I have tried talking to her about this recently, but she does not want to talk about it and wants to just assume everyone is happy. She does whatever possible to avoid conflict/confrontation/difficult conversations, and when I want to discuss our relationship, she accuses me of "starting drama" and her refusing to discuss the relationship is, in her mind, "keeping the peace".

Wasn't her ex abusive? If so, then this is literally a survival instinct kicking in.

It's very hard to date a person with unresolved abuse trauma if you aren't knowledgeable and exquisitely sensitive to why they behave the way they do.

Yes her ex was abusive. Interesting insight, but unfortunately I do not have the knowledge on dealing with someone like this, so any insight you could share with me, perhaps privately via PM would be appreciated.  I really, really want things to work out with her, but it is often challenging and frustrating. There are days when I feel things are going well and that we are making progress.  And other days I feel like giving up.

It's hard to become an expert in abuse trauma overnight.

But you could start by googling "relationship PTSD" to find general information about how it manifests.

But until she invests in repairing her own emotional injuries, you're not going to be able to change her. The only thing you can do is change how you respond to her.
Thanks, I will Google that.  In a general sense, how do you recommend I respond to her?  Are there things I can tell her to re-assure her and to make her feel safe in our relationship? 

She had sooooo many walls up in our relationship until recently, and some of those walls are now coming down, but there are still issues...

These are VERY big questions beyond what I can or should handle in a thread like this.

A really good trauma-informed couples counsellor could be a good resource.
In an ideal world I would agree with you.  But there is zero chance she would agree to go to couples counselling with me.  If there is any high level, general things I can do, in how I respond to her, I would appreciate it. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2024, 06:55:59 AM »
I've also learned a lot by reading Metalcat's journal front to back. It's a commitment (at 125 pages and counting) but it dives deep on a lot of related topics.

Fuuuuck. I didn't think anyone would ever try that. I can't imagine reading that thing linearly and not getting frustrated.

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In an ideal world I would agree with you.  But there is zero chance she would agree to go to couples counselling with me.  If there is any high level, general things I can do, in how I respond to her, I would appreciate it.

Feel free to participate in my journal, there are a number of extremely insightful and helpful people in there with relevant education, professional, and lived experience who will likely be able to give you some perspective.

Anyone is welcome to talk about anything they want in my journal, which is why it's total chaos in there, but if you want to understand feelings better, it's the place to be.

But you *will* be challenged, so come prepared not to get defensive which you have a history of doing in your threads.

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In an ideal world I would agree with you.  But there is zero chance she would agree to go to couples counselling with me.  If there is any high level, general things I can do, in how I respond to her, I would appreciate it.

Feel free to participate in my journal, there are a number of extremely insightful and helpful people in there with relevant education, professional, and lived experience who will likely be able to give you some perspective.

Anyone is welcome to talk about anything they want in my journal, which is why it's total chaos in there, but if you want to understand feelings better, it's the place to be.

But you *will* be challenged, so come prepared not to get defensive which you have a history of doing in your threads.
Have you ever see cases where someone who was abused, then becomes the abuser in a different relationship? 

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2024, 07:14:31 AM »
I've also learned a lot by reading Metalcat's journal front to back. It's a commitment (at 125 pages and counting) but it dives deep on a lot of related topics.

Fuuuuck. I didn't think anyone would ever try that. I can't imagine reading that thing linearly and not getting frustrated.

Admittedly, I did it when it was *only* 40 pages! It's a wealth of information and I've learned a lot.

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Seriously, G-String. Read, listen, absorb and reflect.

Then ask questions.

Then absorb and reflect some more.

I've found it challenging to watch you post questions...then quickly dismiss everyone's excellent advice.

This approach may not be serving you well in your relationships.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2024, 07:20:19 AM »
Have you ever see cases where someone who was abused, then becomes the abuser in a different relationship?

This is also a very big question about a very complex topic. Abuse and it's impacts are complex, cyclical, and often generational.

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2024, 07:20:57 AM »
There have been relationship issues described on the forum including a few that led to divorce, although in most cases those seem to be more related to infidelity than money.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2024, 09:28:55 AM »
STBX and I filed for divorce a few weeks ago.  It is amicable and a long time coming.  Money wasn't really a huge part of it -- though I was happy that we were able to negotiate the financial side of things so that I was able to put much of my half into my own accounts when he decided to go on a crypto buying spree a couple of years ago...

For us, it was ultimately a combination of growing apart/in different directions, wanting different things out of the latter half of our lives, and not being able to deal effectively/constructively as a team with some long-standing issues that I eventually realized were related to my past trauma history.

The article linked below essentially served as the catalyst for the final breakdown of our marriage, which was a painful but ultimately necessary process.  Once it was obvious we were not going to be able to work together to get past these issues (something that became pretty obvious after only a few weeks of marriage counseling, which we sought far too late in the process to be helpful), it was easier for us both to focus on de-escalating conflict/reactivity and just trying to be the best co-parents we could to our kids. 

TW:  The article discussed how a partner can more effectively relate to/support a partner with a history of SA

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-understand-your-pa_b_6287636


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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2024, 01:59:19 PM »
We have challenges as a couple--difficult decisions to make together, habits we could improve, certain tendencies we reinforce in each other instead of balancing out (we are both overthinkers and know-it-alls). But I wouldn't say we have issues. We don't have fights. We are pretty aligned on our financial ethos, and working productively on becoming better aligned.

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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2024, 02:07:25 PM »
Relationship issues can be found in my house!  DW is SAHP of 15-month-old, diagnosed with BPD, obese, and two months pregnant.  She talks on the phone for hours every day, spends hours on social media, naps for an hour or two in the afternoon, inexplicably can't sleep at night, and then takes an enormous nap again to "catch up" the next day.  Heaven forbid she set an alarm to limit the nap to 30 minutes so she can sleep at night!  (Don't worry, I have already received the message that none of my solutions will work.)

She learned that I only really actively work half the time in my 8-5 desk job, so I guess it is fair now that she doesn't really need to do anything* during the day.  I fantasize about how she would react to me actually having a difficult job and working hard 50 hours per week.

Money abounds in our household, but we are still in save mode.  It is not a big issue but of course we dream of being big consumer rat racers.

Of course I am not a saint either.

We are in the middle of couples counseling.  Gottman series of some sort, pretty good stuff.  We have all of the "four horsemen" parading around our house!

* Yes she does care for a child which is significant but there is so much more that could get done with a little motivation.

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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2024, 02:16:55 PM »
The contempt comes through in your post, to say nothing of the other three.

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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2024, 02:33:07 PM »
The contempt comes through in your post, to say nothing of the other three.

Yeah pretty lame of me to lose it like that.  It started out as a list with good intentions..."we have struggles that I think are due to these issues and we try to work through them or patiently wait for them to pass" or so I imagined, and then it derailed.  We just had an argument over lunch that set me off too.

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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2024, 03:08:18 PM »
The contempt comes through in your post, to say nothing of the other three.

Yeah pretty lame of me to lose it like that.  It started out as a list with good intentions..."we have struggles that I think are due to these issues and we try to work through them or patiently wait for them to pass" or so I imagined, and then it derailed.  We just had an argument over lunch that set me off too.

Sounds rough, sorry you are your spouse are struggling, it's a brutal thing to go through, really exhausting.

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2024, 03:29:58 PM »
 I actually just did a Gottman weekend course, the online version, and found it to be incredibly good. I had been exposed to Gottman stuff through the books before, but this is so much more interesting and accessible and gets the points across in a way that words on a page just can't. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.gottman.com/product/the-art-and-science-of-love-online/

I did it on my own to see if it's something I might convince my partner to do. We need it but he is opposed to counseling and I'm sure it's because it's embarrassing to expose your private life to a stranger. So I thought maybe something where you don't actually have to be vulnerable in front of a stranger might be more acceptable to him. Whether he goes for it or not, I learned a huge amount about myself that I couldn't really see before. So although it says you need to be part of a couple to do it, you can still get a lot out of it on your own. I really wish I had come across this option sooner in our relationship.

Also, search for promo codes before you buy. I found one that gave me 15% off. #mustachiancouplestherapy

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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2024, 03:45:46 PM »
I actually just did a Gottman weekend course, the online version, and found it to be incredibly good. I had been exposed to Gottman stuff through the books before, but this is so much more interesting and accessible and gets the points across in a way that words on a page just can't. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.gottman.com/product/the-art-and-science-of-love-online/

I did it on my own to see if it's something I might convince my partner to do. We need it but he is opposed to counseling and I'm sure it's because it's embarrassing to expose your private life to a stranger. So I thought maybe something where you don't actually have to be vulnerable in front of a stranger might be more acceptable to him. Whether he goes for it or not, I learned a huge amount about myself that I couldn't really see before. So although it says you need to be part of a couple to do it, you can still get a lot out of it on your own. I really wish I had come across this option sooner in our relationship.

Also, search for promo codes before you buy. I found one that gave me 15% off. #mustachiancouplestherapy

As someone who is currently absolutely loving doing couple's counselling, men who refuse to do it make me so sad.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2024, 03:54:03 PM »
I actually just did a Gottman weekend course, the online version, and found it to be incredibly good. I had been exposed to Gottman stuff through the books before, but this is so much more interesting and accessible and gets the points across in a way that words on a page just can't. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.gottman.com/product/the-art-and-science-of-love-online/

I did it on my own to see if it's something I might convince my partner to do. We need it but he is opposed to counseling and I'm sure it's because it's embarrassing to expose your private life to a stranger. So I thought maybe something where you don't actually have to be vulnerable in front of a stranger might be more acceptable to him. Whether he goes for it or not, I learned a huge amount about myself that I couldn't really see before. So although it says you need to be part of a couple to do it, you can still get a lot out of it on your own. I really wish I had come across this option sooner in our relationship.

Also, search for promo codes before you buy. I found one that gave me 15% off. #mustachiancouplestherapy

I HIGHLY recommend the Gottman weekend course -- we did the in person version.  Unfortunately it wasn't until 2-3 years after the first enormous cracks in our marital foundation had started splitting open, and then it happened to coincide with my mother's death (she was in and out of consciousness the day before we started the course, and died about 5 hours after we went to see her the day it ended).  And then STBX could not/would not understand in the following weeks/months why I was having trouble following through on some of the next steps we had agreed on while in the course. 

That was when I found the article I linked to above.

He responded with a bunch of links of his own that made it pretty clear he was no where near understanding or empathizing with what I was dealing with.

It took a whole additional year for us to start couples therapy.

Within a couple of months of that, I knew I was done.

I'll always wonder if we could have turned things around if we had managed to get outside help sooner.  But we didn't, so we didn't.  Thankfully, despite a lot of turmoil over the past few years, we are finally on the verge of moving on -- and doing so amicably and with enough resources to live well even after splitting the stash.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2024, 05:00:41 PM »
DH has mental health issues, principally related to chronic pain issues, and I seem to be entering perimenopause. But we don't have much divergence around money, if that is what you are asking.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2024, 05:07:06 PM »
DH has mental health issues, principally related to chronic pain issues, and I seem to be entering perimenopause. But we don't have much divergence around money, if that is what you are asking.

Sounds like my house. I'm grateful that husband has switched his SSRI and the newest one seems to really be helping him, and I recently started hormone therapy for perimenopause, which is letting me regularly sleep for more than 4 hours per night. I'm so grateful that none of the household stress is money-related. It's given us some breathing room.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2024, 06:19:25 PM »
*raises hand*

It is hard to know how much of my 14-year relationship is normal versus problematic. I feel like there are so many differences in values that are irreconcilable at times. But there's also a lot of love. It helps knowing I'm not the only one struggling in a challenging but otherwise committed relationship.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2024, 06:35:42 PM »
Relationship issues can be found in my house!  DW is SAHP of 15-month-old, diagnosed with BPD, obese, and two months pregnant.  She talks on the phone for hours every day, spends hours on social media, naps for an hour or two in the afternoon, inexplicably can't sleep at night, and then takes an enormous nap again to "catch up" the next day.  Heaven forbid she set an alarm to limit the nap to 30 minutes so she can sleep at night!  (Don't worry, I have already received the message that none of my solutions will work.)

She learned that I only really actively work half the time in my 8-5 desk job, so I guess it is fair now that she doesn't really need to do anything* during the day.  I fantasize about how she would react to me actually having a difficult job and working hard 50 hours per week.

Money abounds in our household, but we are still in save mode.  It is not a big issue but of course we dream of being big consumer rat racers.

Of course I am not a saint either.

We are in the middle of couples counseling.  Gottman series of some sort, pretty good stuff.  We have all of the "four horsemen" parading around our house!

* Yes she does care for a child which is significant but there is so much more that could get done with a little motivation.

@Bartlebooth , caring for a toddler and growing a human being are both exhausting…

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2024, 07:42:37 PM »
Not really.
My relationship is pretty solid.  it’s not perfect but is there such a thing?
I can count fights (non physical) on one hand in almost 19 years together.

We both have worked on ourselves as partners which I think is key; our relationship has generally improved over time.  We have worked on giving each other feedback and being receptive to it.



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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2024, 07:45:03 PM »
I'm somewhat hesitant to answer this question, from a person without much history here, and when the OP includes no context.  It's also not clear if this question is supposed to be answered in the context of money, or not.

But DH and I rarely argue.  We disagree on topics, but there's a pretty unusual mutual trust and respect that really does alleviate nearly all arguments.  We don't always agree, certainly.  Right now, we are going through some pretty significant upheaval in our lives.  Lots of conversations, lots of expressing our feelings and trying to understand the other's feelings and positions.  Our versions of the ideal answer isn't quite the same, and that's even with each of us trying to take into account the other's priorities and values.  But we haven't argued.  And we each believe that the other is at least usually trying to account for our needs and feelings, which allows us to do the same in return.  It's a virtuous cycle.

And that includes finances.  If he makes a choice to spend, I can trust that he's evaluated the options, including my feelings, and decided this was the best course.  I guess the idea that we are each looking out for the other, and we know and believe in that on a deep level, seems to solve 90% of the most common relationship problems. 

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2024, 08:22:01 PM »
I actually just did a Gottman weekend course, the online version, and found it to be incredibly good. I had been exposed to Gottman stuff through the books before, but this is so much more interesting and accessible and gets the points across in a way that words on a page just can't. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.gottman.com/product/the-art-and-science-of-love-online/

I did it on my own to see if it's something I might convince my partner to do. We need it but he is opposed to counseling and I'm sure it's because it's embarrassing to expose your private life to a stranger. So I thought maybe something where you don't actually have to be vulnerable in front of a stranger might be more acceptable to him. Whether he goes for it or not, I learned a huge amount about myself that I couldn't really see before. So although it says you need to be part of a couple to do it, you can still get a lot out of it on your own. I really wish I had come across this option sooner in our relationship.

Also, search for promo codes before you buy. I found one that gave me 15% off. #mustachiancouplestherapy

As someone who is currently absolutely loving doing couple's counselling, men who refuse to do it make me so sad.

It makes me sad too, but I have a confession to make: I have been that person. I initially didn't want to go to counseling with my ex-husband, although once it got bad enough I was the one to insist we go. If I had been able to see the content of this Gottman thing, I would have been open to it sooner.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2024, 09:04:39 PM »
We certainly have arguments and disagreements, but money isn’t one of them. That was a solid foundation of shared values when we got married. Frugality is key for both of us.

I’m a bigger spender than he is, but I do not mind when he “holds me down “ in spending Because I see that as safety and security. And if I really want it, I’ll buy it anyway.

Back in the day, when we were in heavy wealth accumulation phase, I used to mock fight with him and say things like “where is all this money coming from!? “ and “ Why is there so much money in our account!?” and “ why aren’t you spending enough money!!??”


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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2024, 04:49:19 AM »
I actually just did a Gottman weekend course, the online version, and found it to be incredibly good. I had been exposed to Gottman stuff through the books before, but this is so much more interesting and accessible and gets the points across in a way that words on a page just can't. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.gottman.com/product/the-art-and-science-of-love-online/

I did it on my own to see if it's something I might convince my partner to do. We need it but he is opposed to counseling and I'm sure it's because it's embarrassing to expose your private life to a stranger. So I thought maybe something where you don't actually have to be vulnerable in front of a stranger might be more acceptable to him. Whether he goes for it or not, I learned a huge amount about myself that I couldn't really see before. So although it says you need to be part of a couple to do it, you can still get a lot out of it on your own. I really wish I had come across this option sooner in our relationship.

Also, search for promo codes before you buy. I found one that gave me 15% off. #mustachiancouplestherapy

As someone who is currently absolutely loving doing couple's counselling, men who refuse to do it make me so sad.

It makes me sad too, but I have a confession to make: I have been that person. I initially didn't want to go to counseling with my ex-husband, although once it got bad enough I was the one to insist we go. If I had been able to see the content of this Gottman thing, I would have been open to it sooner.

Yeah, resistance to therapy is common. I get a lot of clients coming in who have never had therapy and have so much anxiety about what it's going to be like.

And there are so many horrible stories out there about couples therapy, so that's what people hear about.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2024, 07:04:33 AM »
And probably a big part of the reason there are so many horror stories about couples therapy is that people are scared so they wait WAAAAY too long to go, and by that time it really IS much harder to fix things.

Vicious cycle, man.


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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2024, 07:14:34 AM »
He’s slightly spendier than I am (mostly on his own hobbies in which I don’t participate, but he values them, so I value them) but willing to work longer to afford it, so even where we don’t align we aren’t compromising each other’s preferences much because our underlying beliefs & values are similar. Money feels pretty easy from the moment you have enough, assuming you’re able to define enough. It’s all the other stuff that’s hard, which took a lot longer to sort & financial harmony immediately followed.

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a relationship money problem other than abject poverty that’s actually about money rather than control, trust, communication, or values. I think the illusion that money is impersonal, & maybe a belief that it’s magical in nature but 100% circumstantial (not the speaker’s fault), makes it feel like a safer topic for some people to talk or fight about than actually facing an underlying problem like a lack of respect or empathy.

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2024, 07:39:13 AM »
How many of you have relationship issues? How many have arguments about money with your spouse? What about other non money issues?

@leevs11  do you have relationship issues?  Do you argue with a spouse or partner about money?  What about non-money issues? 

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Re: How many of you have relationship issues?
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2024, 10:02:46 AM »
And probably a big part of the reason there are so many horror stories about couples therapy is that people are scared so they wait WAAAAY too long to go, and by that time it really IS much harder to fix things.

Vicious cycle, man.

Yep. I hear so many times "we tried couples counselling and it didn't work" but by "didn't work" they mean that it was horrible and they got divorced, but really, they didn't go until the relationship was too toxic to repair, and therapy clearly showed them that divorce was the only reasonable course of action.

So it worked, perfectly, just not the way they thought it should.

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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2024, 10:44:14 AM »
Oh dear perhaps I responded to a thread diversion, if so I’m sorry.