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Update- hosting foreign exchange students?
« on: January 14, 2023, 09:39:53 AM »
I searched for earlier posts about hosting foreign exchange students and came across this one with great information---- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/hosting-a-foreign-exchange-student/msg2366917/#msg2366917  but since its almost 4 years old, thought it would be better to start a new topic asking the same questions.  Hopefully there are fresh experiences to take advice from.  I'm also curious if @MayDay ended up hosting and how it turned out.

My wife (40) and I (42) have no kids.  This is something we've discussed for a few years now and think we're finally ready to give it a shot.  We talked with a local coordinator last night for EF Exchange (Education First Exchange) that has experience hosting in our town.  She described the process and offered us to join in their monthly parent/student meetups.  Other groups I've seen with flyers looking for host families locally have been ASSE and FLAG.  Online, I've seen ISE and Face the World advertising as well. 

When I was in high school, there was an exchange student in my class that was having a terrible time with his host family and desperately wanted to leave.  We had an extra bedroom at our house, so my mom offered him a place to stay.  He was with us for about 8 months I think.  My wife is from Mexico and came to the US to finish her graduate degree, so she has relevant experience as well.

Some of my questions for people here are---
1) Host family obligations are technically limited to 3 meals a day, transportation, a bedroom, and inclusion in family life.  Families receive no compensation for the student's stay.  Students are supposed to pay for their clothes, entertainment on their own, cellphones, sports/clubs, travel, etc.  From taking to the coordinator, a grey area seems to big trips that require airfare, hotels, etc, even though the website clearly spells out this is an expense of the student.  I understand some host families like to spoil the kids, and in our case, it sounds like the coordinator paid for their student to come on a Caribbean cruise with them.  That seems pretty extravagant and above what we would offer.  Is this normal or generally expected?  I know exchange students want to travel around during their time here, but I would hope their parents have trips budgeted for.
2) Which organizations do people know of?  Any difference in reputation between them?  How dependent are we on the local coordinator?
3) Students aren't allowed to work per the rules, but does that always ring true?  When I was in high school, that was the rule for the student staying with us, but he ended up busing tables at a local restaurant for a few hours during the week for cash.  My mom didn't have extra money to spend, I worked as well, and his parents didn't have extra spending cash to send him.
4) Let me know about the hosting experience.  I'd love to hear stories!

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2023, 12:23:22 PM »
My parents hosted a lot of AFS students when I was in high school and college, and I was an AFS exchange student myself for a year in high school. In general I think AFS is a highly reputable organization, and always recommend that one to friends who want to send their kids abroad through a program. It's been around for years and years and has good support staff.

For travel - most people I know who are hosts have families, and adding one more child to the family traveling arrangements wasn't that expensive, especially if you are driving and just sharing hotel rooms anyhow.   When I was a teen, our family just took budget trips (camping, motels, driving) and would just take the exchange student along with the group. But, mostly, we didn't take a lot of trips anyhow.

With my own host family in Europe, they did take one  big ski vacation in February, and bought me a ski pass and skiing lessons, but otherwise, we just drove to the resort, and I shared a room with the kids.

Since you don't have kids, you would need a separate room for the exchange student as well as extra tickets if traveling by plane or train, so I can see how that might be an issue. I don't think it would be very nice to plan a "family" trip that your exchange student couldn't afford, and just not bring them. However, parents certainly go away for the weekend by themselves, and if you and your spouse are planning an "adults only" trip I would think as long as you make sure your guest has a place to stay while you are away, you don't have to take them if it isn't something you feel you can afford.

With AFS, the organization arranged a mid year trip for us students away from our host families, as well.

We were not supposed to work, and I didn't work; none of our host brothers and sisters worked. They also were not allowed to drive; and there were certain rules on who was allowed to drive the students. If you live in an area with poor public transportation, and most high schoolers drive or have cars, this can sometimes be a social problem for students who can feel very isolated and dependent on classmates to get them places or take them home from sports practices or after school activities.

My parents never started the school year with a host student; they were kind of "back up" parents for students who had problems with their first families and needed a new placement. This was a great feature of the AFS exchanges I'm not sure all organizations have. They had mentors and groups to help out if there were problems that couldn't be worked out. My mom and dad were really open minded and easy to get along with so they could just be a home where kids could come for a while, and sometimes they ended up staying. That might be an options for you, too, if you wanted to just dip your toe in the water - offer to be a "backup" host family for another family.

I also ended up switching families midyear in my exchange year. It's not something shameful - sometimes placements just don't work out and a new placement is made.


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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2023, 01:09:25 PM »
Thanks CrustyBadger for that thorough writeup. 

We certainly wouldn't make any trips that we weren't willing to take the student along.  If they couldn't afford it, we'd just postpone until after the school year., or pay out of pocket if it weren't too much.  From talking with the coordinator, we got the impression it was very normal to fly around the US and see all the big tourist destinations.  Maybe she was just alluding to the generosity of some families she's encountered in the past, but just her mentioning it put me on edge that perhaps this was expected.

Our area is very rural, with the exception of the university here.  There's some bus service around town, but the closest stop is a mile from our house.  I expect to drive the student around, no problem there.  The local high school also doesn't accept senior level students, so we'd be getting someone about 16 years old, and none of their classmates would likely be driving either.

I looked up AFS and submitted the contact form.  Thanks for the recommendation.  I'm not sure how many organizations are practical options though.  The high school only accepts 3 students per year, and there are at least that many organizations available in the area.  I assumed there would be a lot of competition to get a spot, but maybe there isn't really that much interest.  I did talk with the personnel at the county public school system, and she gave some details, but was purposefully vague in other areas, such as which organizations are active in the area.

Since there would only be 3 other students in the area, its not likely we'd become involved as a backup option.  I definitely understand the reasons for switching families, even if its just an incompatibility issue.  In the case of the student that came to live with me and my mom, he had a rather abusive home situation that couldn't be sustained.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2023, 01:30:05 PM »
This is an old list but it lists the exchange organizations I'm most familiar with - AFS, YFU, CIEE.   EF is also on this short list. If it's the one active in your community then it would be the natural organization for you to be involved with, certainly.

https://highschoolexchange.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/a-guide-to-exchange-organizations/

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2023, 03:27:29 PM »
This is an old list but it lists the exchange organizations I'm most familiar with - AFS, YFU, CIEE.   EF is also on this short list. If it's the one active in your community then it would be the natural organization for you to be involved with, certainly.

https://highschoolexchange.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/a-guide-to-exchange-organizations/

Thanks for sending that.  I actually just got a call back from someone at AFS, however it doesn't look like there are any volunteers in my area.  The closest is about 2 hours away and most are concentrated in the DC area.

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2023, 04:13:42 PM »
Tagging @Trifele because their family has recent experience with high school age exchange student.

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2023, 04:25:33 PM »
I am also interested in this topic as my wife and I are in a very similar place in life as you guys are.

I've done temporary hosting of college students in the past and really enjoyed that. I still have a couple for friends from that, though I was much closer to the age of the students I was hosting then. I just happened to live locally and know how the systems worked and they were new to town...


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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2023, 03:35:06 AM »

Thanks for the tag @Indio!

Yes, we hosted a German high school student last year through CIEE, and simultaneously our daughter did a high school exchange year in Germany with CIEE.  I also worked for CIEE as the local coordinator for four students, so I got to see how four other families did things.

1. Trips.  As you say @uniwelder, all that's required is to provide 3 meals a day, transportation, a bedroom, and family inclusion.  Trips are optional,and there were big differences between how they were handled by the local families.  On one end of the spectrum, one family only did one trip -- drove to Cincinnati to see family for Christmas.  On the other end of the spectrum, one of the families with mucho dinero flew to Aspen, Colorado; Key West, FL; and NYC, and paid all their student's expenses.  We were in the middle.  We did a road trip vacation to Florida for Christmas break and paid for the extra expenses for our student (rented a slightly larger condo than we otherwise would have).  Our student went on a separate trip to Hawaii with Belo (an exchange student travel agency) that she paid for by herself.  Two of the other local students also did Belo trips on their own dime.

So it's a big spectrum, and you can do what you like as the host parents.  I wouldn't say anything is "expected", and I will say that the student who only got the road trip to Cincinnati had a lovely exchange year.  He adored his host parents.   

Our daughter in Germany traveled quite a bit with her host family (Other parts of Germany, France, and Italy).  When it was a road trip the family paid her expenses for the most part; she stayed in motel rooms with the other kids, and didn't contribute for gas.  When there were clearly separate expenses (train ticket, entry fee, etc) she paid for those herself.

2.  CIEE is very reputable, and is one of the bigger agencies.  The Local Coordinators play a large role, and are the main support for the local families.  The LCs are the first phone call for any questions or issues, and talk with the families monthly to see how things are going.  Our local high school also works with the Nacel agency, which is also very reputable.  This past year I got to know the high school tennis coach; he and his wife have hosted three students through Nacel.  He had only glowing things to say about them.

3.  CIEE rules are that the students aren't allowed to work, except for casual jobs like yardwork or babysitting that would pay cash.  Our student didn't work last year, but our daughter in Germany did do a bit of babysitting.

We had an absolutely lovely year hosting, so I would encourage you to try it.  (It isn't always rosy, of course.  Two of the four students I supervised this past year ended up switching families.  That was mildly stressful for all involved, but they both ended up in a better match/situation.)

Our year was so good that we feel as though we gained a daughter.  Her family in Germany came to visit us during the exchange and that was wonderful as well.  This past summer, after our exchange student went home and our daughter returned, we went to Germany to visit them.  We also went and stayed with our daughter's host family in Germany. It was great to meet them.

You're welcome to browse through my journal if you'd like more details about our exchange -- link at the bottom.  I started the journal right at the beginning of the exchange year -- when our daughter was accepted and we decided to host.

Happy to answer any other questions you have as well. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2023, 08:04:28 AM »
Thanks Trifele!  I started reading through your journal this morning, and finished page 3 of 33.  I find it curious you hosted someone from Germany since you speak German.  I thought that was a big no-no, but maybe that's agency dependent.  Thank you for the information so far.  We live fairly close to each other and have some of the same experiences--- house renovations, apple tree grafting, juneberries, chickens, living amongst bears, foxes, coyotes.  I'll come back with questions as we progress further.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2023, 11:55:59 AM »
We did not end up hosting YET but are still considering it.

One of my coworkers is hosting a Rotary student this year and that is super appealing, since it isn't a full year commitment.

We now use our extra bedroom as a home office due to Covid WFH policies, so the student will have to share a room with one of our kids.

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2023, 02:02:20 PM »
Thanks Trifele!  I started reading through your journal this morning, and finished page 3 of 33.  I find it curious you hosted someone from Germany since you speak German.  I thought that was a big no-no, but maybe that's agency dependent.  Thank you for the information so far.  We live fairly close to each other and have some of the same experiences--- house renovations, apple tree grafting, juneberries, chickens, living amongst bears, foxes, coyotes.  I'll come back with questions as we progress further.

It does sound like we have a lot in common @uniwelder!

As for the language issue, CIEE just cares what language your family normally speaks at home.  For us that's English, which is what they want for an exchange student in the US.  So me being bilingual wasn't an issue; I just never spoke any German with our student.  It was the same for our daughter in Germany.  Both of her host parents speak fluent English but they never spoke any English with her. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2023, 02:49:36 PM »
For those interested in hosting foreign students/scholars without as much of a structured commitment as the high school exchange programs, consider reaching out to the international students/scholars office at your local community colleges and universities.  Newly arriving foreign students often benefit from renting a room out from a family for a few weeks to a few months as a way to get their bearings and settle in with a bit more support before renting a place on their own, etc. If you offer this service to a few students who enjoy the experience you probably will get as steady a stream as you would like just by word of mouth referrals within their peer groups.  Not all universities help match people, but most have some kind of virtual bulletin board where you can advertise your availability.  You can also reach out to foreign student groups at the universities if the administration is not helpful. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2023, 03:32:55 PM »
My parents have hosted via at least three different groups. My family hosted a Japanese exchange student for a full school year via AFS in 1989-90, and that was a great experience for everybody involved.

Later in 1993-94, they hosted an exchange student from Russia via a US government-sponsored programme that was meant to build friendly relations. That was a rough year, partly due to some culture shock on both sides and some mismatches in expectations. I think both the student and the hosts may have gotten a stipend, but I didn't know the details. I doubt that specific programme still exists. There may be other government programmes.

More recently, maybe around 2011-12, my parents hosted a few German students for three-month placements via the local Rotary Club. One student decided to do a second three months with them.

My parents have stayed in touch with all of the students, and some have come back to visit at different times. Some of us have gone to visit some of them in their countries. I'm closest to the Japanese exchange student, and I've visited her in Japan various times over the past 30 years and been to her wedding and played with her kids. We can speak in Japanese now but still impress her kids by speaking in English.

The Rotary Club programme seems like it could be a nice one to start with. In their town, the students come for a school year and spend about three months with three different families. I don't know the specific arrangements. I think it's probably this.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2023, 04:52:45 PM »
I'll need to check into the Rotary Club.  It sounds very awkward, having the student move around 3x every 3 months.  I suppose they maintain the familiarity with the school, town, and new friends, but learning how various households operate and then leaving once you understand the routine must be jarring.  Since a few people here have been recommending it, maybe I just don't have the right impression.

Hosting international university students is definitely a possibility where we are, but not sure if that fits with us though.  We know someone who used to rent out several rooms in his large house to students attending the language institute of the university.  Those students tend to come from very wealthy backgrounds and essentially buy their way ahead of others to get a spot at the university.  This guy has had some very good experiences, and others not so much.  I think there's an entirely different expectation from the student compared to high school exchange programs.

edited to add--- @Kwill and @MayDay could you provide some feedback on how things have went with Rotary Club placements?  Was it smoother than I'm assuming?  Do you  know the opinion of the exchange student about shuffling around?
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2023, 05:31:21 PM »
My parents hosted a bunch of exchange students when I was a kid and I was an exchange student myself. I believe all of their exchanges were through YFU (first exchange program that started between Germany and the US after WWII, fun fact). We had people from Finland, Germany, Japan, Russia, and Kazakstan. They also did shorter summer stays with students from Japan. I did a shorter summer exchange with my high school French class and had students come stay with us a couple of times for two weeks. Finally, I spent a year in France living with a host family.

We always treated the students as part of the family and my host family did as well. If we did trips, it was together and not over the top. I was responsible for personal items, clothes, school books, snacks, etc. I also did a good amount of solo travel, or travel with other exchange students as it is so cheap and convenient in Europe compared to the US. I covered all of that myself.

I did some tutoring when I was in France and got paid under the table, no big deal.

I hope to have exchange students myself again one day, though for the time being I am all filled up with my own young kids. I think it is great when people can host. But please, don’t make them go to church with you.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2023, 06:28:52 PM »
I think it is great when people can host. But please, don’t make them go to church with you.

Yeah, reading the website https://highschoolexchange.wordpress.com suggested by @CrustyBadger was educative.  I didn't realize the prevalence of conservative religious families as exchange hosts.  No worries about that mindset with us.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2023, 01:50:43 AM »
I don't know much firsthand about how the Rotary programme was because I was already out of the house. My parents hosted girls about the same age as my baby sister that time. I get the impression that it was more social and had more community support than the AFS programme. One of the girls came back to visit a couple times in later years when I was home for Christmas, and she and my sister went out a lot to visit with other people who had been involved, like former hosts and one past exchange student who married her American high school boyfriend and lives in town. It could be just that they were more social people, but I don't remember ever getting to know other local exchange students or families with past students we hosted.

Hopefully someone else will know more.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2023, 02:59:08 AM »
@uniwelder -- Just an FYI that I didn't think to mention above.  Most of the high school exchange students that come to the US each year are paying their way through an agency (their families are).  But some of the students come here on scholarships through one of the U.S. State Department programs:  CBYX and YES Abroad.  I really like those programs because they allow students of all backgrounds to have the opportunity to travel, not just students from wealthy families. 

That's how we ended up hosting a German student while our daughter was in Germany; DD was part of the CBYX exchange, and we wanted to "pay it back" to the program by hosting one of the German students while she was away.  You don't have to have a kid in the programs though.  Most families don't.   

     

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2023, 07:42:24 AM »
Here's an update on organizations we've inquired so far---

1) EF High School Exchange.  The local coordinator lives in our town and sounds very active in her role.  However, the selection process is entirely one sided (host family picks student based on application only) with no communication allowed between host family and student until the school has already approved the application, which would be at least a 2 month delay, usually mid July.  This really has me scratching my head and I want to talk to her about it again, as well as another host family she has offered to put me in contact with.  Also, the organization does not participate in any scholarship or grant programs.  Our student is coming from EF and has an academic grant to pay most of the fees.

2) YFU.  Talked with the director for Virginia and she'll get me in contact with the local coordinator.  Had a great conversation and this group is very active with scholarships/grants and established.  Local coordinator is currently hosting a student and lives in a neighboring town.  I realized its against regulation to chat between host and student before finalizing application, so I need to figure out what's up with the conversation I had with FLAG coordinator.

3) FLAG.  The coordinator lives 45 minutes away and has limited experience in her role (2 years and 3 students), but sounds quite passionate and recently retired as a social worker.  The selection process is interactive with video chats between host, student, and coordinator before finalizing application for submission to the school--- I need to check back on this.  The organization does participate in scholarship/grant programs, but coordinator is unfamiliar with them.

4) ASSE.  Having communication issues with local coordinator.  I've had a conversation with this person several months back when they needed some emergency host families, but got a poor impression-- seemed flaky and unfamiliar with process.  Coordinator also lives 30-45 minutes away.

5) Rotary Club.  Talked with a local member that is trying to promote the exchange program, but there has been little interest for the past several years.  There will be an exchange occurring in a neighboring county, but nothing expected to be happening here.

6) AFS.  There are no coordinators within a 2 hour distance.

7) CIEE, AYUSA, NACEL, Face the World.  I submitted an online contact form to each yesterday, and am waiting to hear back.

I'll update when I learn more.  Right now, it sounds like EF, YFU, and FLAG are reasonable choices.  My wife wants to just go with EF and be done, but I'd like to explore all options.

edited to add--- YFU info.

edited again--- corrected EF grant info
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2023, 07:16:12 PM »
Judging from their logo I think EF (now calling themselves Education First) marketed themselves as English First in China for many years (just checked -- Wikipedia says this is the case).  They were the largest foreign language cram school/test prep organization in the country and had some really dubious practices according to many of the TEFL teacher sites I used to follow (bait and switching with contracts and visas, really sketchy management practices at some sites (managers were often appointed based on connections rather than skill, etc.).  It has been several years and things have changed a lot, but I am guessing that these exchange programs are a huge money-maker for them -- wealthy parents will pay a lot to have their child get an immersion experience that they think may get them into a good college in the US.  And I believe the cram school business has pretty much been shut down by the Chinese government in recent years, so this may be their main income stream now.  Given this kind of background as well as your questions about their recruitment/placement process, I would proceed with caution with them.

YFU has been around for ages and I believe they are reputable -- I considered their programs myself back in the mid-80s but then I got into a UWC and got my international experience that way. 

It isn't quite the same as hosting a student longer term, but you might check with any high schools in your area to see if they have any school-to-school exchanges that they might need hosts for on the US side.  My daughter's school has one with Japan, and her BF is participating.  Sometimes the numbers of students don't balance, so they need more US host families than there are US students taking the foreign language.  Or they may need last minute subs due to family emergencies, or whatever. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2023, 08:04:56 AM »
@uniwelder my coworker has a kid at the high school, and her kid and the exchange kid are on a sports team together already. So it was a smooth and easy transition. I imagine it would be more difficult if there were no ties to the school community.  I also imagine it depends a lot of transportation in the area. I live in a city and the school is 1 mile away and very walkable.... An exchange student can easily walk or bike to activities and friends so I think that would make the transition easier.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2023, 10:00:56 AM »
Judging from their logo I think EF (now calling themselves Education First) marketed themselves as English First in China for many years (just checked -- Wikipedia says this is the case).  They were the largest foreign language cram school/test prep organization in the country and had some really dubious practices... Given this kind of background as well as your questions about their recruitment/placement process, I would proceed with caution with them.

YFU has been around for ages and I believe they are reputable..

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about Education First.  I haven't been able to find satisfactory information about how their business is run.  The high school exchange program is supposed to be non-profit, but that is just a division of the main company.  I'm sure there are loopholes to make significant profit from this structure.  Here's an article I found that gives background on the formation of EF--- https://www.forbes.com/sites/maxjedeurpalmgren/2018/08/23/meet-the-billionaire-college-dropout-whos-teaching-the-world-english/?sh=104682c47332  The founder started for profit English language tours in 1965 geared toward middle and upper middle class europeans, and has transitioned to the largest English language school system in China in the last 20 years.  EF is privately owned, with the founder worth 4.5 billion dollars and his sons co-own and will inherit the company.

My wife is heavily leaning toward using them.  The biggest reason is the coordinator coincidentally lives a mile up the street from us, is hosting students, and has high school students of her own.  We don't have any kids and know nothing of the school system.  This means we could share rides to/from school for various activities and the exchange student will have instant friends, along with a parent that knows the school very well.  Our house is 5 miles from the high school, which doesn't sound far, but we need to go across opposite sides of town which takes about 20 minutes each way and not bike friendly terrain.  Something to add--- I had another conversation with the EF coordinator yesterday, along with a host family in a neighboring town, and came out of it more confident.

I still want to hear back from the YFU coordinator, but unless there happens to be another YFU exchange student in our town, I don't think my wife will change her mind.  At least not for this first year.  Once we've gone through the academic year and feel comfortable, she agreed to consider switching to a different organization later on.  I can't imagine the EF coordinator being amicable to ride sharing, etc, if we rejected her for another group.

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2023, 10:27:28 AM »
My wife is heavily leaning toward using [EF].  The biggest reason is the coordinator coincidentally lives a mile up the street from us, is hosting students, and has high school students of her own.  We don't have any kids and know nothing of the school system.  This means we could share rides to/from school for various activities and the exchange student will have instant friends, along with a parent that knows the school very well.  Our house is 5 miles from the high school, which doesn't sound far, but we need to go across opposite sides of town which takes about 20 minutes each way and not bike friendly terrain.  Something to add--- I had another conversation with the EF coordinator yesterday, along with a host family in a neighboring town, and came out of it more confident.

I still want to hear back from the YFU coordinator, but unless there happens to be another YFU exchange student in our town, I don't think my wife will change her mind.  At least not for this first year.  Once we've gone through the academic year and feel comfortable, she agreed to consider switching to a different organization later on.  I can't imagine the EF coordinator being amicable to ride sharing, etc, if we rejected her for another group.

I think there's a lot to be said for doing things the easiest possible way the first time. Having a friendly coordinator and other exchange students and local high school students just up the road from you really sounds ideal, especially since you don't already have children in the school system.

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2023, 06:50:43 AM »
Update---  after talking with the YFU coordinator (actually lives 45 minutes away with no other host families in our area), we've decided on EF (Education First).  EF does actually have a limited number of scholarships (merit and needs based) for their students, so their placement manager sent us a few profiles for students that could fit our criteria.  We were looking for someone that 1) is scholarship funded, 2) likes dogs, 3) doesn't mind being an only child, and 4) would like rural living with outdoor activities.  One of them matches very well and we're on to the next steps of the application process.

In summary, there were 3 organizations (EF, YFU, FLAG) that would have been possible, 3 that were confirmed no, and 4 that I never received a response from.  Going into this, I didn't realize the number of active organizations would be the limiting factor.  Growing up, I had this idea that all high schools participate in exchange programs.  Our location certainly doesn't help.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2023, 03:17:31 PM »
I wish you well in your hosting experience! I'd like to do this someday myself as well, and learned a lot by reading this thread on your process of thinking things through.

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2023, 04:00:47 AM »
Good luck @uniwelder !  Hope you have a great year.  :)

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2023, 07:34:53 AM »
I did a Rotary exchange at 17. I didn't mind the new family every few months. It doesn't take long to merge into everyone's routine, especially when they are being very accommodating of me. One of the top years of my life and I still visit and keep in touch with many people from the experience.

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2023, 11:04:25 AM »
My family hosted an exchange student when I was about 13 (8th grade) and my sister about 15 (10th grade).  A German girl was placed with us.  It wasn't a great fit.  Eventually, she requested to move out and move in with the family of a friend she made at school.  At the same time, there was a male student from Brazil who was having a hard time with his host family, and the organization asked my parents if they would like to host him.

To this day more than 30 years later, he is a cherished part of our family.  When my parents and sibling gathered for Christmas, we did a Zoom with him and his family.  There have been visits back and for, he attended my sister's wedding, etc.  He truly is family.   

There were many kids in our surrounding area, and multiple kids at my large (~2000 person) high school, so the kids had a built in support network.  That's also what made it possible for kids to move from one family to another, staying at the same school, when things didn't work out.  So I think that working with an org that is specifically active in your area is a wise move.

As for vacation, our student(s) were just there for the school year, during which we didn't go on any significant vacations.  So that wasn't a major issue.  Our students were definitely treated as part of the family, with chores (which was a source of frustration with the German girl, who had no chores at home and balked at having to unload the dishwasher or vacuum, even though these were chores asked of my sister and me as well) and ballet classes.  (IDK who paid for the ballet classes, but mom drove her just like she drove us to lessons, though this was another source of frustration as my mom never would have picked a ballet school half an hour away for sister and me, but Student had to have the *best* ballet school, though she was in no way an aspiring professional dancer). 

One other source of friction with the first student is that she wanted meat--and lots of it, and expensive cuts--every meal.  I don't think my parents have ever cooked a vegetarian meal in their life, but she wanted a steak for every meal, essentially.  That wasn't how we ate, and was expensive.  (My parents could have afforded it, but they were essentially Mustachians and fancy food was an occasional treat, not a nightly indulgence.)  My mom was willing to accommodate specific food preference, just as she either didn't cook with mushrooms for me or made them easy to remove from a dish, but not to entirely overhaul the way we ate and their food budget just because she wanted fancier meals, when there were no dietary restrictions and she wasn't being served foods she didn't eat.  She just felt ground beef wasn't... exciting, I guess.  But was happy to eat a hamburger at a picnic or fast food restaurant, so she clearly didn't object to it as a food source. 

My parents taught the students to drive and helped them get US licenses, just as they later did for my sister and me.  At 12, I'm sure there was a lot to which I wasn't privy, but from my perspective, they were treated no differently than my parents real children.

I add all this in case any of it is of value, and include the pitfalls in case that gives you things to consider or to discuss up front with either student or the program leaders. 

Overall, the experience brought my my Brother.  It gave my parents 2 amazing kiddos who call them grandma and grandpa, when my parents have no biological grandkids.  It even gave them our student's brothers who call my parents Aunt and Uncle, and our student's parents who my parents ask after and enjoy.  All of that made it a fantastic experience.  But when we had a mismatched student, it was hard for her, and for my parents.  (Not so much for my sister and me, though we were vaguely aware of tensions, but it wasn't until years later when my mom was candid about it, that I realized how frustrated she was.) 

My parents never did it again.  IDK if that was because of the mixed experience, or other reasons.



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Re: hosting foreign exchange students?
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2023, 04:30:51 AM »
Update- OP here. Our student status is pending and hopefully gets cleared soon. School starts mid August, so the student needs to arrive in about 5 weeks, but our school system has a reputation for being very slow. Applications don’t get reviewed until June and ours is being held up because the student’s physical doesn’t show a check for heart/lungs. The coordinator anticipated something might happen to screw things up, but didn’t think it would be this.

This must be extremely stressful for the student. We know a lot about her, but she has absolutely no information about us or even where in the US she is going. We can’t make any contact until she is accepted to school.

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2023, 05:25:40 AM »

Hi @uniwelder

Our school district was super slow as well, and it seemed to take forever before all the bureaucratic boxes got checked.  I think we registered our German student at the local high school in mid July.   

The waiting to make contact with your student is stressful, but what you're describing isn't unusual.  Our daughter didn't get her host family assignment until July 23, for a school year that began August 19.  (Her host family had chosen her earlier, but she didn't find out about them until then.)  As for the German students coming here, most of them made contact with their host families in June, but there were delays with one boy's placement and he didn't find out about his host family until the end of July. 

Hang in there.  You'll be talking to her before you know it.  :)
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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2023, 11:23:31 AM »
I remember finding out my host family placement just a few days before getting on a plane.

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2023, 12:56:48 PM »
I remember finding out my host family placement just a few days before getting on a plane.

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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2023, 01:10:27 PM »
Yeah, compared to those experiences, I’m fretting over a bunch of nothing.

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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2023, 04:04:21 AM »
Yeah, compared to those experiences, I’m fretting over a bunch of nothing.

It's not nothing at all -- it's a huge deal.  You and your wife are going to be parents to a stranger for the year!  She won't be a stranger for long though.  Your family is about to get bigger.  It's an adventure. The wait is super stressful as the bureaucracy chugs along, but everything will probably be fine.  :)

What country is she coming from?

Our Exchange Student is coming tomorrow to visit us for three weeks.  We can't wait! 
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2023, 05:28:57 AM »
She is Italian. Based on what we know, I think it’s a good match. Academic scholarship, loves dogs, from a rural area. She wanted to go to a family with young kids, which we don’t have, but application said that wasn’t a dealbreaker. Our school has a very active theater group that she’ll probably participate with. The coordinator has a daughter in the same grade (junior) and is a 15 minute walk away, so hopefully they become friends.

Trifele, I’m happy for you. Hopefully we create a lasting relationship with our student too.

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2023, 07:09:59 AM »
That sounds like a great match @uniwelder.  Fingers crossed for you!

Hey send me a PM if you guys want to road trip down to Asheville anytime.  Would love to meet you!

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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2023, 02:11:55 PM »
That sounds like a great match @uniwelder.  Fingers crossed for you!

Hey send me a PM if you guys want to road trip down to Asheville anytime.  Would love to meet you!

Thanks for the offer.  Its really nice down there.  We'll see how things go.

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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2023, 08:42:53 PM »
Update-- School approval went through today and we've had our first texts with the exchange student.  Tomorrow we do a video call with the family.  Travel date is confirmed and she'll be leaving in 3 weeks! 

Our coordinator has been great so far, organizing everything and pushing the school to get this processed.  She is very hands off regarding our communication with the student though.  The first questions already texted by the student have been-- when her flight will be, what does she need to do to register for class, and will we be driving her to school or is there a bus.  I assume the initial talk with the family will mostly be introductory-- personal background, interests, video house tour, about the town, etc.  Would the second talk be the appropriate time to start talking about the grittier details-- house rules, travel (possibly to Mexico), parental financial support or small cash jobs, Airbnb?  How many family discussions normally take place before the student arrives?  How often does everyone talk together while the student is here?  When I was in high school, we had absolutely no contact with the family of the exchange student that stayed with us, though our situation was abnormal anyway.

Airbnb is a particularly sticky subject.  We have previously rented our 2 extra bedrooms for big weekend events (football games and university graduation) but are unsure whether that's a good idea this year.  We've already taken ourselves off the calendar, so no-one is booking.  If the student and family are ok with it, we'd like to advertise the one extra room we will have.  This would be a total of maybe 5 weekends for the year and bring about $3,000 income.  Previous guests have been fantastic and we think this could be a good experience for the student, though it could be totally horrible if it doesn't jive with her.  We'd only go ahead if everyone was in agreement, but there is a lot of potential for regret.  Our thoughts are that we'd pay her $100 each stay to help with the house cleaning before guests arrive.  She'd probably use our bathroom to avoid awkwardness with the guests.  We know anyone staying at the house more than 2 nights needs a background check, but that doesn't apply to our case.  When we asked the coordinator for advice, she said it was completely between us and the student's family.  So, should we even bring up the subject of Airbnb or does that sound too weird?

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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2023, 06:14:20 AM »
Congrats @uniwelder!  Things are moving along. 

We talked to our our student and her family once by video before she came.  Then once more just with the student as we were trying to figure out her school schedule.  After that we never spoke with her family until they came and visited us the following April. 

If it was me I’d go ahead and bring up the travel and AirbnB-ing with the family in the first or second call, since it’s a normal thing you do.  The older the student is the less of a big deal either of those things are.  She’ll probably be thrilled about the travel.  Use your judgment on the timing, but it may come up more or less naturally.  I’d offer (but not act like it was required) for the student to help with the cleaning. 

Have fun!!

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2023, 07:54:33 AM »
I would try to find out some information from the school about her course registration process to reassure her that everything is in place or will be in place for her to start school and get her excited about the different courses she can take (and clubs to sign up for). Let her know about the school transportation issue if you already know (there's a bus, here's the schedule, we will carpool with neighbors etc. and plans for how she'll get home from school if she stays after for a club.)

As a mom of a teen girl, I would not be super excited about the idea of strangers to you staying in the home with my daughter through Air B and B. That would seem like something I would have wanted to know and approve of, before this match was made. I would have thought the exchange organization would not OK that sort of thing, but perhaps my thinking is old fashioned. I would very much react negatively to the idea of paying her to help with the cleaning. It would be different if you had teens of your own, and said something like "Jenny and Michael help us clean before the guests to earn some spending money, and if Francesca wants to that'd be awesome!"

The comment about "parent financial support" and "small cash jobs" also makes me pause. Does the exchange organization have guidelines about that? You are providing meals , lodging and transportation, correct? So you are asking about whether the parents will be sending her some spending money? If there are costs associated with her clubs and activities, uniforms, etc.... you could try to gather information about that and let the parents know up front what she may need. For example, "I talked with some neighbors with high school kids, and they suggest $100/ month in spending money for school activities" or whatever.  I'm trying to remember my high school days, but I don't think our exchange students were allowed to babysit.

You could certainly mention the possibility of travel on the first video visit, as well as talk about your general house rules and expectations.

I'm glad this is working out for you and hope it is a great experience for all of you. 35 years ago my parents hosted an exchange student from Spain, and this week his own daughter is visiting me for a week! It's been really great.


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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2023, 03:20:14 PM »
@CrustyBadger We've had one Zoom call with the family and lots of texts between us and the exchange student over the past 4 days. 

Our coordinator is on a vacation right now, but will be back in a week.  She is going to get us scheduled to meet with the school for the student's math and English placement tests, and then get the class schedule figured out.  We met with our neighbor (going to be a HS senior) yesterday to talk about school details and relayed those to the student.  We're doing the best we can to be prepared for when she arrives.

Regarding Airbnb, we talked with the coordinator back in January, and she thought it might be a little awkward, but ultimately the decision is between us and the student's family.  If anyone is at the house for more than 2 nights, a background check is required, but that isn't relevant in our case.  There was no way to ask the family about this prior to this past week, and its really one of the smallest concerns overall.  If the family is ok with Airbnb, we go ahead.  If they don't approve, then we don't do it.  However, when we talked with them, they were actually excited at the idea.  They thought it was pretty cool and would help expose their daughter to a greater variety of people.  All of our past guests have been really great-- most are parents/grandparents of college students visiting for the weekend, and some others have been alumni. 

The comment about "parent financial support" and "small cash jobs" also makes me pause. Does the exchange organization have guidelines about that? You are providing meals , lodging and transportation, correct? So you are asking about whether the parents will be sending her some spending money? If there are costs associated with her clubs and activities, uniforms, etc.... you could try to gather information about that and let the parents know up front what she may need. For example, "I talked with some neighbors with high school kids, and they suggest $100/ month in spending money for school activities" or whatever.  I'm trying to remember my high school days, but I don't think our exchange students were allowed to babysit.

Yes, "parental financial support" is money from the parents to pay for all the extras-- clothes, going out with friends, etc.  We thought giving her a cut of the Airbnb money, in exchange for her help, would be a nice bonus, but if that's a bad idea, it doesn't have to happen.  We'll probably offer it to her, and if she's not interested, then thats fine.  We haven't discussed spending money from the parents, and should do so the next time we talk.  Overall, I don't think the parents have significant amounts of money to send over to her.  Yes, according to the guidelines, exchange students are allowed to do cash type work--- babysitting, tutoring, etc.

Regarding travel, the parents asked if we had plans.  We told them probably a week in Mexico, of which the $600 flight would be the main cost to them.  The student seems excited and I got the impression the parents will be able to swing it.

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2023, 04:42:04 AM »
Everything sounds great @uniwelder!   Sounds like everybody is adventurous, open minded, and flexible, so that bodes really well. Fingers crossed for a fantastic year for all of you. :)

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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2023, 09:04:53 AM »
It sounds like you have a good match of personalities with the family and student in question! I'm glad things are working out so far and wish you all the best!

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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2023, 09:19:21 AM »
One of the best pieces of advice I got from the hosting organization years ago about interactions between host family and student was this:

"Be careful if you feel like everything is going perfectly, and there are no disagreements or issues. That means someone else is doing all the accommodating."

Here is a list I found of an idea for "House Rules" from a couple in Texas who frequently hosts exchange students (girls). The list is over 15 years old and some items like computer use, texting, and long distance phone calls probably no longer apply, but I think they did a good job of thinking about a lot of possible issues that could come up, especially concerns about drinking and driving (of their friends) that you may not have had to deal with.  You may also wish to think about use of appliances and plumbing and so on that your student may not know how to operate - I remember not knowing which soap to use in my German host family's washing machine and not asking (they showed me once) and causing a big mess!

https://onelifelog.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/host-family-rules-for-exchange-students

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2023, 07:49:16 PM »
Thanks for the link.  Its quite thorough.  We've been perusing various house rules and started creating a document.  We're flexible or ignorant on some, so we thought we'd leave things as they are until she arrives, then go over it and come to an agreement of what to set in stone.

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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2023, 11:12:53 AM »
CrustyBadger - The rules were interesting although I didn't read all the way through since I'm not the one getting an exchange student.  The intro said the rules were "gender specific".  Hmmm...I wonder what would be different if they hosted boys.

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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2023, 12:18:51 PM »
CrustyBadger - The rules were interesting although I didn't read all the way through since I'm not the one getting an exchange student.  The intro said the rules were "gender specific".  Hmmm...I wonder what would be different if they hosted boys.

I didn't see anything except "You are not allowed to home in the house alone with boys" and the use of the terms "Host daughter" or "daughters" a few times?

I think this particular family just decided to only host girls. I don't know that these house rules are particularly useful to a different family, but they do give an idea of some of the issues that can come up, including topics you may never have even thought about.

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« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2023, 02:15:37 AM »
Update--  Our student has been with us for 1 week now.  We're having doubts and will be talking with the coordinator in the next couple of days to review.  If we're not a good match, the coordinator will take her, so there is some consolation her year may not be ruined.  Its possible she may just want to return to Italy, but this could also be homesickness.  @Trifle I'll be sending you a message and hopefully we can discuss details and your experiences.  As nice as our coordinator is, I feel your lifestyle and outlook is closer to ours, plus its always good to have another perspective.

Regardless of how much preparation has gone into this, there are a number of miscommunications and differing expectations.  Here are some things that have raised red flags--

1) Our student is learning of our frugality- our love of thrift stores, expiring grocery discounts, joy of free lumber, and discarded items.  She seems ok with it, but not sure how much she approves or is just being polite.  Yesterday, she just had a two hour argument with her mom about spending allowance.  Her mom is capping her budget at $300/month for personal use-- makeup, going out with friends, Starbucks, hair/nails, gym membership, etc.  The student is freaking out and putting up a fit because this isn't nearly enough money in her opinion.  She asked us what we thought.  We both said $300 is very generous and have no idea what we would even spend it on to exceed that amount.

2) Small detail, but relevant because its only been 1 week.  Before arriving, we asked both the student and parents what kinds of foods she doesn't like.  They both previously said she eats everything, but there is always something, so we pressed for more.  Again, both insist she eats anything you put in front of her, and there is nothing she doesn't like.  From trial and error, we've found she doesn't like mushrooms, beets, corn on the cob (we were surprised they eat this in Italy and hoped it would be new to her) and possibly corn in general, and beans.  Beans are a part of probably 20% of our dinners.  Not insurmountable, but was surprised at such a basic food.  We're curious what other foods will come up as time goes on.

3) Her application describes her hometown as small and rural, with nothing to do.  The closest major city is supposedly several hours away.  The reality is that she lives in an extremely dense area, 30 minutes from the center of Naples.  Her neighborhood and surrounding area for miles consist of 3-5 story buildings with no trees in sight.  Before arriving, we talked with the parents about how much shock it will be to move to our town, if she thinks she lives in a small place.  They insist their town is small.  I had to send google map screenshots of where we live versus where they are, both set to the same scale, to get them to understand.  One shows a sea of dense streets and concrete, covering almost the whole screen for about a hundred square miles.  The other shows two suburban towns among a vast forest. 

4) The application talked about wanting to travel and mentioned places the student has gone.  They are international, but all within relatively short flights from Italy.  The reality is that among those places, she has also been to New York City twice, as well as Japan.  She wants to travel within the US and perhaps Mexico or Canada.  We discussed our potential travel plans--- Mexico over winter break and Disney after graduation, among some more local trips.  These don't seem particularly impressive (perhaps given our shoe string budget), and the family is discussing going to Paris (which might be against rules according to the organization) for winter break instead, as well as the parents meeting her in Boston after school finishes.

5) The application discussed her love of science and dream of going to school to be an aerospace engineer.  She goes to a high level science high school and had most of her exchange fees paid through an academic scholarship.  We thought that with my mechanical engineering degree and my wife with a phd in biochemistry, we would have some connection, but that seems to be really lacking.  She insists she wants to do everything she can to be a competitive applicant to a US university, but has absolutely no interest in the extracurriculars that point in that direction.  No interest in the robotics team, drones, or the Perseid meteor showers happening as I type.  Nothing that I see about her makes me think 'engineer', which is a real shame because we picked her partly because of our backgrounds and the proximity to the excellent engineering university here.

6) The student's parents have been divorced for 7 years, so she has been living with the mom since she was 9 years old.  The dad lives nearby and she sees him everyday.  We're not sure if that is why she avoids me or if its actually my personality, but so far, we've been having a very awkward time together.  She enjoys being around my wife, but is clearly uncomfortable with me.  The first few days went well, but not so much in the past few.  In general, the student has been excited when we bring her places and introduce new things.  We ask her lots of questions, but she hasn't asked anything personal about ourselves.  She certainly is comfortable around the house and definitely shows no hesitation to make herself at home.

If she decides to move in with the coordinator, they will probably align closer in lifestyle and personalities, but that certainly won't fix the issue of living in a truly small town.  In the worst case scenario, she still has a few weeks before school starts in Italy, so she could go back and not mess up her school year.  Also, choosing classes here has been very difficult since Italy has a school by school approval process to decide which classes will be given credit, so its completely at the discretion of the principal.  At this point, she has selected three AP classes in her schedule to get credit back home, which does not sound fun for a cultural exchange year.

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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2023, 03:59:06 AM »
Sending you a PM @uniwelder

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Re: hosting foreign exchange students?
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2023, 08:02:00 AM »
I was an exchange student in France 23 years ago (!!) and my monthly allowance was $500. It seemed like a lot initially and then I was running out of money regularly though I didn’t think I was spending on anything extravagant. Purchasing my own shampoo and contact solution and toothpaste and sanitary supplies and school books and supplies and and and really added up in ways I hadn’t anticipated. Especially as I was buying my own small quantities instead of grabbing from the Costco stash my mother bought when I lived at home.

There is also the learning curve of different brands and products. Your skin might be used to X, but the new country doesn’t have X so toi have to try brands Y, Z, and A before finding one that doesn’t make you break out.

A week is a very very short amount of time for adjusting and judging fit. I’d encourage you to be patient if it is just awkwardness and not fundamental incompatibility. It is a cultural exchange after all, the point is to interact with people who are different from you.

Finally, I found out later that my exchange org had put up posters advertising us students to find host families. The text on them was written by others and I was surprised at some of th words used to describe me. The application should be more truthful, but there could be an element of saying what they think others will want to hear, or a parent helping to fill out, or just cultural differences on what is a big city versus small city, etc.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!