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NorthernIkigai

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Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« on: March 02, 2022, 12:37:01 PM »
We're maybe 7 of 10 years away from being FI, which feels really far away. Also, the kids will be teenagers by then, and I'd prefer to spend some time with them as a relaxed parent sooner rather than later. My current job doesn't really allow for part time work, and I'm really looking for a proper break from work rather than just cutting my hours. That's why I'm hoping to take a year's sabbatical in about two years' time.      
                                             
There are lots of threads here about sabbaticals, but they mostly involve some kind of extended traveling. I have no need to go anywhere, and definitely not for homeschooling the kids, I just want some peace and quiet and time to focus on myself while also having more time for family. So our situation is a bit different from those I read about here. Also, my spouse isn't interested in a sabbatical or FIRE (or retiring at all, for that matter...), so basically the rest of the family would keep doing what they are doing while I would have the weekday working hours to myself for a year.
                                                   
Spouse thinks I'm nuts and that I'll be bored and depressed, but then they love their job and I merely somewhat like mine. Some friends I have told of my plans say "sounds great, go for it", but I think that's more a reflection of my own enthusiasm for this plan rather than any deeper analysis of whether it's a good idea and what I should think about.
                                                    
Since I'm a planner, I want to start preparing for this well in advance. The reason why I'm thinking I'd take the autumn of 2024 and the spring of 2025 off is that the younger kid will be starting school then, and I know from experience that the first year involves quite some changes and adjustments for the whole family. The older one will be 12--13 that school year, so still young enough to spend a lot of time with us and need some support for hobbies, homework, etc. Also, I can live with the idea of "2 years until I can start my sabbatical" much better than the thought "maybe another decade until FIRE"!
                                                   
My employer has a system for applying for up to 1 year unpaid leave. I've only been here a couple of years, but I'm liked and appreciated, so I think they would grant me the 1 year off and take me back afterwards. I guess I still need to keep in mind that nothing is certain and that there is a small risk of my job disappearing completely during that year (cf. Covid, war in Europe, etc.). If it does disappear, I'd receive very little unemployment benefits because I haven't worked in a year, and I'd also need a good explanation for the gap in my CV.
                                                   
My plans for spending those 8 glorious hours every weekday include:                                                   

- a lot of exercise (running several times a week, swimming and yoga once a week each. I've done all of these at some point, but never all at once.)                                                   
- attending courses (I currently have time for one language class a week, but I'd like to do a lot more, and also other stuff like open university courses. I've done more of these in the past before the kids and when we have only one kid.)                                                   
- reading books and napping (self-explanatory, right?)                                                   
- keeping an eye on and helping my elderly parents (they already require some help from us, which we are able to give, but it would be great to be able to spend some more quality time and do stuff together, not just put out fires, so to speak)                                                   
- take on more of the cooking (we share this task pretty evenly now, but I wouldn't mind using more time and effort and being able to make even healthier and more Mustachian food than what we manage to do now)                                                   
- be able to be more flexible when it comes to the kids' school, hobbies, meeting up with friends, etc. (Doing fun stuff now almost feels like a burden, since anything outside of the routine requires planning, remembering, organizing,...and takes away from the unstructured time we also crave.)                                                   
- start a company and do a little work through it (this would solve the potential CV gap problem, might actually be kind of fun, and I could sell this to my employer as "learning more about entrepreneurship", which would have the added benefit of being true)                                                   
- turning off all the news (my current job requires me to stay on top of things)                                                   
- volunteering a bit (not too much, I don't want to take on too much responsibility or then feel bad about probably having to drop this once I go back to work)                                                   
                                                   
Money-wise, I'd need a bit more cash to cover my half of our costs for that year than what I have in my emergency fund right now, so I need to save up a bit more cash until then. Because I'll be working about half a year one calendar year and half of another, I'll save A LOT on taxes both years, though, which will cover some of this difference. Of course, it wouldn't be ideal to go down to my last euros at the end of the sabbatical either and have to touch my investments, so I'll probably oversave a bit on purpose.                                                    
                                                   
I don't think it'll be a big problem to go back to my job after my year off. By then, we'll be even closer to FI, so that working for a few more years should be bearable after a nice, relaxing year. Or alternatively, a boring and annoying year, which might make going back to the structure and routine of working event pleasant...    
                                                   
Which aspects have I not thought about yet? How could all this possibly go wrong?! :-)                                                   

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2022, 12:56:27 PM »
How could this all go wrong?  Well, possibly many different ways (life is always full of surprises), but honestly you seem like the kind of person (you’re planning years in advance!!) who could handle whatever life throws at you.  You only live once, and if this is the right timing for you to spend more time at home when your kids are still young, I’d say go for it! 

I also wouldn’t worry about the “gap” in your resume.  I do lots of hiring, and I wouldn’t think twice about hiring someone who had taken some time off to take care of themselves and their family.  It’s all in how you tell the story about how you use that time.

Take care and good luck!

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2022, 01:09:08 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement, @PacificaFog! Now let's hope the war in Europe doesn't lead to me being without a job a couple of years earlier than planned... And even if does, being unemployed with savings is a lot better than being unemployed without savings.

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2022, 02:50:58 AM »
Sounds like a great plan....I am going to go on a Sabbatical in December 2024...I actually think I am going to retire then, but I will be telling my employer I plan to take a Sabbatical.  It leaves my options open in case I discover RE isn't for me. 

I also have no great desire to travel significantly on my Sabbatical - in fact I plan to travel a bit pre-Sabbatical (Covid willing) to make the time (144 weeks, and yes I am counting :)) go by faster...


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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2022, 09:52:54 AM »
My only warning would be that 8 hours a day doesn't give you nearly as much time as you think!!  I work from home (self-employed) and average maybe 15ish hrs/wk. In theory, that should give me tons of free time... my husband works FT and our daughter goes to after-school care most days. That gives me 8-5 every day to live my own life.

In reality, though, being at home makes me the default person to handle just about everything: planning fun stuff, cleaning, shopping, laundry, homework help, dealing with the plumber/electrician/etc, taking kid to appointments, etc. Most weeks, I'm lucky to carve out maybe 5-10 hrs/wk for exercise/fun. All of the other "life" stuff seems to expand to fill the available time.

Maybe you'll have better luck with this than me (it seems easier for men), but it's definitely something to watch out for!

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2022, 10:20:04 AM »
Your spouse may be worried about you getting bored. but your sabbatical sounds exhausting to me! An engaging university level course will involve more study outside of class than time in the classroom.

I wouldn't worry so much about the CV gap. Having a good story to fill the gap is better than busy work (which is how you make starting a company sound - it would be different if you had spoken of a project you want time to explore).

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 06:42:22 AM »
Hmm, all good points... I may have misrepresented my plan for a company a little bit, @ixtap : I have previously done translation and proofreading both for money and for fun, and I would love to do that (very) part-time in the future. I'm maybe a little daunted by the whole "how to set up a company and find customers" bit of it, but then again, that would be an interesting challenge, especially if my livelihood didn't depend on it. So the company wouldn't only be a smokescreen for (what my culture considers) slacking off, but could actually be a nice hobby/job for when I FIRE. I've also done open university studies before while working full time, and usually don't get too stressed about them. I wouldn't be taking on too much of those, just something short every now and then.

I recognize the risk you're describing, @startingsmall . As it is, I carry a lot of the mental load at home anyway, because spouse doesn't speak the main language here (and because I like to be in control, maybe? :-p ). I'm fine with that, as we share a lot of the other tasks, including lugging kids around to hobbies, cooking, shopping, cleaning, etc. I get stressed out by keeping track of what clothes or shoes the kids need, so spouse shops for those, whereas I prefer to handle the laundry myself. Anything to do with bikes, computers, or phones gets magically taken care of (or so it seems to me). But it's true that these kinds of balances can change with a change in employment, and that we should keep an eye on this.

Spouse is probably more afraid of me getting depressed by not having a lot of human interaction, but I'm honestly pretty tired of people at this point. Or then they are afraid I'll hang around at home too much and not let them work from home in peace ;-)

I'm not counting on doing all my fun stuff between 8 and 5 either, but also on having more energy in the evenings than I have nowadays (when I would have the time, but not the energy). It often annoys me when people say "Why wait until you're FIRE to do X, Y, and Z? If you would really want to do it, you'd be doing it already.". It really ignores not just the time commitment full time work requires, but also the focus and energy it robs you of!

@Sapphire : My secret wish is to do what you're planning to do: that we would somehow be ready for FIRE already by the time my sabbatical comes around, and then I'd just never come back after it... But that's unlikely, so I'm mentally prepared to go back to work for a few years, with my batteries recharged and FIRE waiting around the corner (a few years later).

Thanks again to everyone!!

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Re: Help plan my (non-travelling) sabbatical
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM »
Echo the "not as much time as you think" thing. DW went 50% before covid and, well, she was feeling like progress was being made at one point in the before times, but covid pretty much wrecked all that. Treat assumptions about how much you can get done in a pandemic world with a grain of salt.