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Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« on: October 19, 2023, 08:08:08 PM »
I've been doing some reflecting lately and have realized that I have a lot of difficulty sustaining effort towards individual, long term goals. I'm 31, and in my adult life I've come up with a lot of things I would like to do (ie write a screenplay, learn some skill for my resume) but I don't think I've ever finished one and frequently don't even start. This doesn't affect me as much at work because I have the external impetus of not getting fired, or being judged as a bad colleague, but even there I often procrastinate on things that aren't immediately engaging to me.

I also have difficulty remembering to do things and I'm sure part of the reason my marriage fell apart this past year was not being able to form habits and change things that my ex-wife asked for. I recently watched a video describing ADHD symptoms and though I don't think I'd qualify for a clinical diagnoses, at least a couple of them resonated me and led me to consider that maybe many of my problems stem from these type of executive function issues related to organization, effort, and long term planning.

Does anyone else have issues with this and has been able to overcome or mitigate them? Writing things down helps me a lot with day to day tasks (I have a whiteboard in my room) but doesn't seem to help much with longer projects. I wonder if some sort of time management system would help, or breaking down large goals into small discrete steps, though the idea of researching and implementing these strategies is daunting. Thinking about all this over the past week has kind of depressed me - I'm afraid there's something fundamentally wrong with me and I'll never be able to accomplish the types of things I'd like. But it's also possible I'm overestimating how abnormal I am. I know plenty of people struggle with motivation and day to day I manage pretty well. I have a decent job, am able to take care of household things and my pets.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2023, 10:41:16 PM »
I frequently work off of lists. At one point I was creating the list the night before, and would start with "wake up". I'd cross it off to start the day.

Follow-though is generally not a problem for me. I've been able to complete big projects by taking them small pieces at a time.

Current big project:
 - Write a biography: It's a much bigger project that I initially anticipated. When I was digging into a huge archive that I had no idea existed, it occurred to me that this was not a 2 year project, but more like a 10 year project. When the State Historical Society broke for lunch, I went to a restaurant and was letting it sink in. It was during cup-of-coffee-number-two that I concluded it'll take however long it takes.

Every year I set achievable goals in various categories, like family, work, health, finance. One of my health goals is to do 50 push-ups before noon for 100 days during the year. I've done it 94 times so far. Another goal is to take my wife on a date once a month. We missed one month so far.

Last year a goal of mine had been to watch a health video I'd been saving on YouTube about the benefits of sauna and baths. It was near Christmas when I told everyone at dinner that I needed their help to help me accomplish a goal. We went into the living room. One kid took an extra long time to join us, but eventually showed up, and we watched it.

I don't beat myself up on something I fail to do, but I do not put things on the list that I shouldn't be able to do either.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2023, 07:25:06 AM »
It's hard to say.

You mention that you are working. Are you working full time?

What I'm wondering is if you have a lack of motivation or a lack of resources? It's a lot to try and write a screenplay, much less to do that on top of full time work.

Living a really balanced, healthy life where you do all of the things necessary for a good quality of life is actually really time consuming. I personally can't work more than 3 days a week and still maintain everything I need to do to maintain a healthy body, excellent mental health, invest in my marriage, and feel fulfilled in my life.

When I talk to people about motivation I talk to them about priorities.

When most people conceptualize priorities, they think their top priorities are the things they most want to work on, but that's a very flawed way to look at it.

Let's take exercise. Many people will believe that exercise is a priority and they're hellbent on exercising more and looking for motivation to do it. And yet, it's often the first thing that's neglected when a day is too busy. Why is that?

Well priorities come in two forms. There are why I call category A priorities and category B priorities.

A priorities are the things you actually do. Look at your life, whatever you drag your ass out of bed to do on a day-to-day basis? Those are your real priorities, those are what are truly important to you.

B priorities are what you *think* should be important to you, but they never actually are unless they graduate to A priorities. B priorities are what you try to add to your already full repertoire of shit you do.

That's why B priorities are so hard to maintain, people are always trying to shovel them on top of a full container and they just fall off the top of the pile with the slightest shake.

If you want a B priority to become an A priority, it has to replace something.

Let's come back to exercise. Say you just cannot manage to fit  exercise, plus cooking, plus cleaning into every evening after a long day of work. You may need to find a way to take cooking and dishes out of the evening. Perhaps bulk cooking on the weekends, or even hiring a meal service so that after exercise all you have to do is reheat a meal and clean minimal dishes.

It's never about a lack of motivation, it's about truly understanding where you are currently directing your motivation and why. How are you using up your time and energy?

Are there ways to free up more time and energy and redirect them towards different priorities?

Then there's actually managing your motivation resources.

Identify your motivation vacuums. Often there is a small element of a task that you want to avoid that makes you feel less motivated to do things. What are those barriers and how can you work around them?

Motivation is often fleeting, so what are the barriers that make you think "n'ah, not today" when you contemplate a B priority? How can you creatively work around those barriers?

Back to exercise. Let's say someone has a spark of "maybe I'll go workout" but then they have visions of a long session, feeling out of breath and uncomfortable, and it all feels like too much to fuss with. For them, I recommend having a 5 minute, easy routine that they can do any day they don't feel like exercising.

Why? Because the easy routine can bypass the motivation barriers and when are you more likely to do intense exercise? When you're sitting on the sofa or when you're already in the gym exercising?

I almost never feel like lifting weights, but I absolutely have to do 5-10 minutes of stationary bike every second day for my knee rehab. Well, 90% of the time, I end up lifting weights because I'm already in the gym and my blood is flowing and why not?

So I can add weightlifting to my day very easily without taxing my motivation resources. It takes virtually no motivation to go do 5-10 minutes of bike and then takes virtually no motivation to lift weights when I'm already there. But it would take ENORMOUS motivation to get up off the sofa and go to the gym to lift weights.

Now let's put those two concepts together.

You only have a limited supply of time, energy, and motivation.

You have to assess carefully how you are deploying your time and energy, because those are your real priorities. Assess if you are okay with those priorities.

Understand that motivation is also a limited resource. You only have so much *push* energy in you each given day. For example, if you have the kind of job that requires you to constantly push yourself to do boring shit you hate doing, you will likely eat up most of your push resources for that day and it will be hard to do anything other than what you feel absolutely has to be done outside of work.

To be clear, your work is not applying external push pressure, they are offering consequences. The push to do the work is still coming from inside you. It's important to understand that motivation is never external. Consequences and rewards are external, but it's still you choosing to make those consequences and rewards a priority and to allot *push* motivation energy towards them.

So if work is getting all of your motivation resources, that means work is your priority. So of course everything in your personal life will suffer.

For someone who is giving away ALL of their motivation resources to work, they should probably examine their work situation. Is *that much* push at work really necessary? If so, is there maybe a different job that would eat up less motivation resources?

Someone in this situation might shame themselves constantly for coming home and wasting 5+ hours on screen time and feel like "uh, I'm so lazy, why can't I just do the shit I want to do?" But they're tapped out on *push* motivation. That's it. They may have plenty of time and energy, but without any remaining *push* they're fucked for the evening.

You have to watch for what is eating up your motivation resources and see if there are more efficient ways of using them.

Now let's say you have a job/lifestyle that eats up all of your *push* motivation but there are still external consequences that need to be avoided. You want to flop on the sofa and doom scroll for 5 hours but you have childcare or other major responsibility with consequences too severe. What happens if you are out of *push* for the day? Oof, that's where you dog into your reserves, and if you do that too consistently, you burnout.

You cannot over run your motivation resources, your system will crash.

In summary:

Take a close look at what you ARE doing. Understand what your current priorities actually are. Conceptualize that anything you aren't consistently doing can't actually be considered a top priority because if it was, you would be doing it.

What are your A priorities? Are you okay with them?

What is driving your priorities? Are you okay with what it? Are your priorities aligned with what you want your life to be? Are these priorities getting you closer or further from how you want to live your life?

Identity your uses of time and energy. Are there any that aren't helping you that you could easily replace with a more beneficial priority?

Identify the uses of motivation that could be more efficient.

What can you do to the execution of a B priority to require less motivation resources to actually do it and make it an A priority?

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2023, 10:07:38 AM »
I like the book Atomic Habits because it has a lot of concrete strategies you could try for making changes in your life. We frequently aren’t taught these skills so it’s not uncommon to flounder around a bit when trying to achieve things without an external director like a teacher or boss.

For me, it was helpful to learn how useless the concept of motivation is. If we wait to feel motivated, we won’t do a lot. So we learn to build habits through concrete action instead. Schedule time in your calendar for regular goal check ins. Maybe seasonally or even monthly. Set reminders to do this. I rely heavily on the reminder app on my phone for all kinds of things.

The concept of kaizen is  also helpful for me. Whatever it is you’re working on, start with the smallest easier step towards it. Then do the next small step. For changing your diet, for example, modify your afternoon snack to a healthier choice. Don’t overhaul your whole life. Or for writing a screenplay, schedule some small blocks of time during your day or week that will be easiest for you to sit down and plan this project. If you get to that time of day and feel tired and uninterested, pick a better time to try again.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2023, 07:54:33 PM »
I wonder if some sort of time management system would help, or breaking down large goals into small discrete steps, though the idea of researching and implementing these strategies is daunting.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with you. Lots of people have these same struggles.

I think for project management, David Allen's Get Things Done has a pretty good outline of the system. In you shoes, I'd read only the chapters of that book that relate to projects.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2023, 10:09:16 PM »
...When I talk to people about motivation I talk to them about priorities.

When most people conceptualize priorities, they think their top priorities are the things they most want to work on, but that's a very flawed way to look at it.

Let's take exercise. Many people will believe that exercise is a priority and they're hellbent on exercising more and looking for motivation to do it. And yet, it's often the first thing that's neglected when a day is too busy. Why is that?

Well priorities come in two forms. There are why I call category A priorities and category B priorities.

A priorities are the things you actually do. Look at your life, whatever you drag your ass out of bed to do on a day-to-day basis? Those are your real priorities, those are what are truly important to you.

B priorities are what you *think* should be important to you, but they never actually are unless they graduate to A priorities. B priorities are what you try to add to your already full repertoire of shit you do.

That's why B priorities are so hard to maintain, people are always trying to shovel them on top of a full container and they just fall off the top of the pile with the slightest shake.

If you want a B priority to become an A priority, it has to replace something...

I heard someone on a podcast once that "priority" initially meant not just "an important thing" but "THE FIRST thing," and that the plural "priorities" didn't appear in print until hundreds of years after "priority."

I guess that goes along with our general cultural trend towants wanting to do/experience EVERYTHING in life, instead of accepting our finitude.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2023, 10:17:14 PM »
I have similar issues.
Did not solve them...
Improved but not solved.
One thing which helps now is to take on small changes and celebrate any improvement.

E.g. I hate running. But lately I started running during my son's soccer practice. I run 5k in around 38-40 minutes
The first 20 minutes are miserable, the last ten almost ok, but 30 minutes after I end the run I really feel good. This helped me continue. Getting out to run just for that purpose does jot work for me, I had to use the "dead" time was already out.

For work I am trying to find interesting things in my daily tasks to keep myself motivated.
Does not always work.

The following two books helped me some:
The one thing (focus on doing only one thing which would make the other tasks either obsolete or much easier).
Seven habits of highly effective people - if I could only do everything they describe there ...

One more thing I learned from someone: it is much harder to pick up a new good habit than to give up a bad habit...

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2023, 10:20:21 PM »
...When I talk to people about motivation I talk to them about priorities.

When most people conceptualize priorities, they think their top priorities are the things they most want to work on, but that's a very flawed way to look at it.

Let's take exercise. Many people will believe that exercise is a priority and they're hellbent on exercising more and looking for motivation to do it. And yet, it's often the first thing that's neglected when a day is too busy. Why is that?

Well priorities come in two forms. There are why I call category A priorities and category B priorities.

A priorities are the things you actually do. Look at your life, whatever you drag your ass out of bed to do on a day-to-day basis? Those are your real priorities, those are what are truly important to you.

B priorities are what you *think* should be important to you, but they never actually are unless they graduate to A priorities. B priorities are what you try to add to your already full repertoire of shit you do.

That's why B priorities are so hard to maintain, people are always trying to shovel them on top of a full container and they just fall off the top of the pile with the slightest shake.

If you want a B priority to become an A priority, it has to replace something...

I heard someone on a podcast once that "priority" initially meant not just "an important thing" but "THE FIRST thing," and that the plural "priorities" didn't appear in print until hundreds of years after "priority."

I guess that goes along with our general cultural trend towants wanting to do/experience EVERYTHING in life, instead of accepting our finitude.

I just posted about a book I really love, which is talking exactly about this: what is the ONE thing which you can do to remove the need to do other things/make the rest much easier.
I think this thread is helping me as I remember things I started doing but then forgot about...

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2023, 09:48:31 AM »
Yes I have. I stopped working out, but managed to start again a few months ago after a year of not working out. How did I do it? I looked at my history and realized my best results came from me doing it first thing in the am. So I worked back from there. That meant I had to go to bed earlier to reach this goal so I started doing that and it has stuck. I also beat myself up when I break a good habit. I've read all the books and heard a million podcasts with people who do the research on this topic, and what I've gathered is that the bottom line is on habit is that ANY change in your life can disrupt a good habit once formed. So it was helpful for me to realize this is a lifetime thing. You don't just start doing something hard and then just magically do it forever, there was/is a reason it is so hard to start.

This not about motivation it is about habit. So you can take all the advice about habit stacking, pairing habits with something you love, positive or negative reinforcement, shear will power, do "the one thing", visual reminders, extreme scheduling, whatever strategy motivates you to start, but none of that really matters if you think you are going to just wind up and go forever. This is something you have to pay attention to for a lifetime, so it is best not to start with a habit like: one hour running and one hour lifting- that's too hard to maintain. You want to make it manageable. So something like "I'm the kind of person who works out in the morning." And showing up and doing 10 minutes is acceptable because it is working out (and should ALWAYS be acceptable because holding the time for the habit is more important than the habit itself or the outcome of said habit). The key is simply showing up and maintaining the habit. I think it was Steve Job who used the strategy of marking a habit on his calendar and found he didn't want to break the streak. Great strategy, but if you do break the streak it's okay because this is lifetime challenge. So just go back to it and make it easy for yourself. The best thing you can do is not disrupt the habit. Some days you'll do more, some less.

I also found 40,000 weeks a good book to put things in perspective. You don't have to do everything. Figure out what is important and just focus on those goals. Accept the ebbs and flows of your life, you're doing your best.
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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2023, 10:49:56 AM »
Cue, craving, response, reward. It's a great way to think about it:
https://jamesclear.com/three-steps-habit-change

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2023, 06:59:19 AM »
There is a lot of confusion in our culture where societal messaging conflates several different concepts with each other: motivation, willpower, habits, and 'character'/'strength'.  Personally, I think that in pursuit of long-term goals, willpower and 'character' are gigantically overrated and play much smaller roles in success than our societal messaging would indicate.

The thing that really gets long term goals accomplished is HABITS. Motivation/willpower etc are transient states for most people. They are important for short stretches of time to establish supportive or helpful habits, and to dismantle/discourage unhelpful  habits, but they are not reliable to lean on for the heavy of lift of long term goal accomplishment. They are also easily 'exhaustible' bc they require a lot of effort by the prefrontal cortex (complex thinking/self-restraint/planning) so are very energy intensive and limited by  mental bandwidth at any given time.

Whereas, habits are automated behaviors triggered by cues in our routine or environment, and are mostly handled by more primitive parts of the brain. They don't require much active attention nor energy nor focus to accomplish (even when they involve quite complex activities, such as driving).

In short, most people who appear to have tons of motivation and willpower are usually actively using those for short bursts at the start of a long term goal, during transition phases to accomplish said goal, and during times when their habits get disrupted.  The bulk of the time they rely on habits that they have developed (either consciously or unconsciously) to support actions that move them toward their goal.

A really simplified example would be weight loss.  Two people both make a New Year's resolution to lose 20 lbs by cutting out baked goods. Both have longstanding habits of baking as a hobby and getting together with friends a couple days per week at Starbucks.  Both have equal motivation to lose the weight, but one harnesses that first month or so of motivation to change their habits... they give up baking as a hobby and find a substitute hobby; and they start suggesting to friends that they meet up for a walk in the park on their lunch break.  The second person doesn't change any of their habits but continues baking 'for friends and family' and continue to meet friends at Starbucks, with the plan to simply use iron willpower to resist eating the baked goods. After the initial month or so, the first person simply won't need to exert nearly as much willpower as the second person. In 6 months, who is more likely to have lost the 20 lbs? 

So I'd suggest doing some reading about the environmental and neurological formation of habits, and put the effort into analyzing and then 'hacking' your life to establish habits that favor behaviors that will get you to your goals.

For a good overview of habit 'hacks', there's a newish short book out by Katy Milkman called "How to Change". And I found James Clear's "Atomic Habits" helpful for a more granular look at this sort of topic.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2023, 07:51:22 AM »
The first 20 minutes are miserable, the last ten almost ok, but 30 minutes after I end the run I really feel good.

Total tangent here, but a weird thing I've found about my bike rides that seems to hold true if I do a hard 1 hour ride, or an all day seven hour ride . . . after the initial warm up period the first third is always good.  The second third I hit my stride and just fall into a mindless rhythm.  The last third always hurts and has me asking why I'm doing it.  :P

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2023, 08:01:34 AM »
I was diagnosed with ADHD as a teenager, and I will say very often my experience is that I don’t lack motivation, but that executive dysfunction interferes with completing tasks I truly want to do.  It can look like laziness or lack of motivation from the outside though. Only in the last few years have I really learned much about ADHD, how it affects me, and realized that I had built a toolset to accomplish goals, and that has helped me add some new ones.

For me, understanding the concept of the interest based nervous system was huge. This article describes it well, and even better, if you scroll down the section on “Using an Interest-Based Nervous System to Your Advantage” it has a bunch of useful advice to help accomplish your goals.

Personally I can do a ton of boring/mindless tasks just by listening to podcasts, audiobooks at the same time. I struggle with accomplishing things I find boring but which require concentration. I have learned to engineer those out of my life as much as possible, but I also tend to use gamification for that.

I think the advice on working on habits is excellent bc having good habits in place can help you accomplish a lot of small things on autopilot so you don’t need to be at a high level of executive functioning to get them done. Another thing to be aware of if you might have ADHD are transitions, which can be very difficult. Things like getting out of bed in the morning, taking a shower, leaving to go someplace, going to bed at night, switching focus, and changing tasks can all be really hard for people with ADHD. Building habits and strategies for that can make a big difference. Basically figuring out what habits help with switching gears versus what habits hurt you is useful. Setting timers can work well as a nudge, for instance.

I also agree with the the idea that you might be doing plenty already. Evaluating whether these are goals you really want to accomplish or whether these are shoulds that you are inflicting on yourself is worthwhile. Maybe you are not doing them be they are just not important to you, and that’s fine.

ETA: that MetalCat makes a great point about using up all your motivation at work! But also for me, on days when I am in hyper focus and fly through work with no internal barriers, I still may have no time to do anything when I get home bc I tend to stay late on those days bc I lose track of time or I just don’t want to halt the flow.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2023, 08:34:58 AM »
Thanks for the responses everyone, a lot to mull over and I'm definitely gonna check out some of these books. As much as I wish there was a magic bullet to fix this it's definitely gonna take some work. I am employed full time so maybe I just have too much on my plate between work and other responsibilities to expect myself to take on creative projects as well, but I like the emphasis on habit a lot. Maybe I'll just start by setting aside 15-30 minutes to work on something and see if that gets me going towards spending more time.

Strangely, motivating myself to exercise has never been much of an issue, since I find it mostly enjoyable and know exactly what I'm doing. Things that are open ended and require more intellectual and creative effort are more intimidating and usually lead me to procrastinating by mindlessly scrolling through the internet or something.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2023, 12:31:32 PM »
If I were you, I'd map out what a typical day looks like.  Say, work 9-5pm, cook and eat dinner 5-6, do housework from 6-7, exercise 7-8, read 8-9, get ready for bed 9-10.
Then, with that rubric, I'd look for time in a typical day or typical week that you would be able to allocate to some of your bigger goals.  Are they feasible and practical within your life as it is now? What needs to be moved/canceled to make time? 

I mention this because something like "write a screenplay" is an enormous undertaking for someone with a full time job.  You'd need to be really diligent at it for a long period of time to complete it, and it will likely mean that other hobbies will be paused during that time.  There are only so many hours in a day, after all.

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2023, 07:52:24 AM »
I'm not familiar with most of these books (I'm sure they're great). However, you mentioned having trouble with creative/open-ended projects, so I can offer a little personal experience.

I've always had problems making headway with long-term projects like that, to the point where I got only a barely-passing grade on my college thesis! The longer the project, the more I tended to flounder.

First it's helpful to examine root causes. If you don't have enough bandwidth after work, that's a huge one. I took myself back into my mental/emotional state every time I seemed to grind to a halt. For me, it was almost always: 1) feeling undeserving and incapable, combined with 2) feeling intimidated and overwhelmed by the enormity of the project.

For #1, I reviewed all the instances of experience and positive accomplishments related to the project or hobby, no matter how small. If I didn't have any, I would do some research to build a small knowledge base. Then, every time I'd sit down to start, I'd say an encouraging mantra to myself related to what I'd found.

For #2:
A. Break the whole project down into incremental tasks. I mean really tiny tasks. Like: unbox one tool and read just the first page of the instruction manual. The smaller the goal, the more achievable it is. The more you achieve, the more confident you feel. This is like the snowball debt payoff method.

B. Create some accountability. Sometimes this means I schedule short blocks in my digital calendar labeled with my tiny tasks.
Or I get a friend to meet me and help me at the same time every week. Or I tell a friend, "My goal is this. Could you check in with me later?" (I think A Purple Life charges a few dollars to basically check in with strangers and help them with this).
There are also programs that deduct money when you don't do your task.
You can also make a journal to get support online (although if you stop checking your journal, the accountability fades a little).
Make whatever accountability system works for you.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2023, 07:57:05 AM »
Creativity is like 99% hard work to gather and refine the tools you need and set the stage . . . all so you can catch and really capitalize on that 1% of inspiration as it floats by.

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2023, 11:50:29 AM »
If you're looking to write a screenplay, Lauren Graham discussed a pretty cool approach to writing called the "Kitchen Timer Method" in her book, Talking as Fast as I Can. She got the method from Don Roos, who is among other things a screenwriter. :)

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The principle of the Kitchen Timer is that every writer deserves a definite and doable way of being and feeling successful every day.

To do this, we learn to judge ourselves on behavior rather than content.  We set up a goal for ourselves as writers that is easy, measurable, free of anxiety, and, above all, fail proof, because everyone can sit, and an hour will always pass.

Here’s How It Works:

1. Buy a kitchen timer, one that goes to 60 minutes.  Or use a timer app. Or tell Siri to start a timer for 60 minutes.

Really, this can be any length of time. 20 minutes, 30, two hours, whatever you have available.

2. We decide on Monday how many hours of writing we will do Tuesday.  When in doubt or under pressure or self-attack, we choose fewer hours rather than more.  A good, strong beginning is one hour a day, but a half hour is also good, or twenty minutes.  Some of us make appointments in our calendar for these hours, as if they are lunch meetings or business calls.

If an hour is intimidating, you can always start off with a shorter amount of time and work your way up to an hour.

3. The Kitchen Timer Hour:

-No phones.  No texts. We silence ringers; we turn our phones facedown.  It is our life; we are entitled to one hour without interruption, particularly from loved ones.  We ask for their support. “I was on an hour” is something they learn to understand. But they won’t respect it unless we do first.

-No music with words, unless it’s a language we don’t understand.  Headphones with a white noise app can be helpful.

-No Internet, absolutely.  We turn off our computer’s Wi-Fi.

-No reading.

-No pencil sharpening, desk tidying, organizing.

Coming to your writing session prepared always helps you stay focused. Make sure you have plenty of paper and ink or that your laptop is charged. Personally, I have never been one to be able to write while music is playing, but I have to work really hard to not get distracted by my phone or book. Usually, I leave them on the counter where I actually have to get up to check on them.

Immediately upon beginning the hour, we open two documents: our journal, and the project we are working on.  If we don’t have a project we’re actively working on, we just open our journal.

An hour consists of TIME SPENT KEEPING OUR WRITING APPOINTMENT.  That’s it. We don’t have to write at all, if we are happy to stare at the screen or the page.  Nor do we have to write a single word on our current project; we may spend the entire hour writing in our journal.  Anything we write in our journal is fine; ideas for future projects, complaints about loved ones, what we ate for dinner, even “I hate writing” typed four hundred times.

When we wish or if we wish, we pop over to the current project document and write for as long as we like.  When we get tired or want a break, we pop back to the journal.

The point is, when disgust or fatigue with the current project arises, we don’t take a break by getting up from our desk. We take a break by returning to the comforting arms of our journal, until that in turn bores us.  Then we are ready to write on our project again, and so on. We use our boredom in this way.

IT IS ALWAYS OKAY TO WRITE EXCLUSIVELY IN OUR JOURNAL.  In practice it may rarely happen that we spend the full hour in our journal, but it’s fine, good, and right if it does.  It is just as good a writing day as one spent entirely in our current project.

It is infinitely better to write fewer hours every day than many hours one day and none the next.  If we have a crowded weekend, we choose a half or quarter hour as our time, put in that time, and go on with our day.  We are always trying to minimize our resistance, and beginning an hour on Monday after two days off is a challenge.

When the hour is up, we stop, even if we’re in the middle of the sentence.  If we have scheduled another hour, we give ourselves a break before beginning again–to read, eat, go on errands.  We are not trying to create a cocoon we must stay in between hours (the old “I’m sorry, I can’t see anyone or leave my house–I’m on a deadline” method).  Rather, inside the hour is the inviolate time.

If we fail to make our hours for the day, we have scheduled too many.  Four hours a day is an enormous amount of time spent in this manner, for example.  If on Wednesday we planned to write two hours and didn’t make it, we schedule a shorter appointment for the next day.  We don’t add an hour to “make up” or “catch up.” We let the past go and move on.

When we have fulfilled our commitment, we make sure we credit ourselves for doing so.  We have satisfied our obligation to ourselves, and the rest of the day is ours to do with as we wish.

A word about content: This may seem to be all about form, but the knowledge that we have satisfied our commitment to ourselves, the freedom from anxiety and resistance, the stilling of that hectoring voice inside us that used to yell at us that we weren’t writing enough–all this opens us up creatively.

Good luck!
Don Roos
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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2023, 01:21:12 PM »
If you're looking to write a screenplay, Lauren Graham discussed a pretty cool approach to writing called the "Kitchen Timer Method" in her book, Talking as Fast as I Can. She got the method from Don Roos, who is among other things a screenwriter. :)

Thanks for this.  It's been a while since I've done any serious writing, but I like the sound of this and I'll try it in the future.

Re: the original question, I'm not sure I have a lot to add.  I was a tremendous procrastinator but then I got sober in 2006 and that pretty much resolved itself.  For exercise (and also meditation) found it helpful to give myself "credit" for doing it as long as I started it.  In other words, as long as I laced up my shoes and left the house, that counted as a run.  And I second having a "method".  I don't think there's one right one, but I've found value in both Getting Things Done (for keeping track of things big picture) and the Pomodoro method (which is basically like the kitchen timer, above).

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2023, 01:45:37 PM »
Thinking about all this over the past week has kind of depressed me - I'm afraid there's something fundamentally wrong with me and I'll never be able to accomplish the types of things I'd like.

I can see how that is a depressing thought. I have been reflecting lately about how we think our personalities are fixed, but they are not, and they change over time due to our efforts, experiences, as well as interacting with the changing world around us.

I probably don't have the same barriers to motivation that you have, but I certainly relate that -- up until a few years ago -- I could not make any progress on goals that I set for myself. Part of it was spending too much time and effort on work, as discussed above. Another part was that I was setting goals that I thought I "should" do, but these were not goals that I truly wanted for myself. Learn an instrument, take a coding class, etc.

Downshifting, therapy, and finding the things that I truly care about helped in this process. To the point now that I am too motivated to do things, and I follow through on everything, and I have to limit/rotate all the new things I am bringing into my life. Also once I saw I could follow through on one thing, it started to snowball, and I could follow through on the next thing, and the next. Making smaller and more achievable goals was helpful for this, though I loved having a "big" goal that I knew they were getting me closer to.

Good question. Wishing you good luck

ETA: Like FLBiker above, quitting drinking also helped tremendously in finding energy and motivation.
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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2023, 07:18:19 AM »
Maybe I'll just start by setting aside 15-30 minutes to work on something and see if that gets me going towards spending more time.



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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2023, 10:16:36 AM »
I've generally found motivation/productivity techniques need to be different depending on what I'm trying to achieve.

Exercise -- I need it to be a group class I book in advance. Then all I need is the motivation to click into a website and schedule a class and then I'm committed and accountable. I do really well with personal training for the same reason. Basically I need to NOT be letting someone else down.

Personal creative projects - I do the 10 minute timer method. Chances are, if I start I keep going.

Work -- timeblocking all the way. I use my calendar to block out time for every task and project. That way I don't need to make decisions about what I'm working on and I can immediately see if I'm at capacity.

Cleaning/chores -- make it fun. Throw on music, dance around, achieve zen. (It doesn't always work)

It's taken a decent amount of experimentation to find methods that work for me. I recommend staying curious, trying different things (maybe your a paper planner and stickers person! Maybe you're a pomodoro enthusiast!) and not beating yourself up if you're not achieving everything but rather seeing it as feedback that your current method isn't a good fit for you.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2023, 05:47:43 PM »
I've generally found motivation/productivity techniques need to be different depending on what I'm trying to achieve.

Exercise -- I need it to be a group class I book in advance. Then all I need is the motivation to click into a website and schedule a class and then I'm committed and accountable. I do really well with personal training for the same reason. Basically I need to NOT be letting someone else down.

Personal creative projects - I do the 10 minute timer method. Chances are, if I start I keep going.

Work -- timeblocking all the way. I use my calendar to block out time for every task and project. That way I don't need to make decisions about what I'm working on and I can immediately see if I'm at capacity.

Cleaning/chores -- make it fun. Throw on music, dance around, achieve zen. (It doesn't always work)

It's taken a decent amount of experimentation to find methods that work for me. I recommend staying curious, trying different things (maybe your a paper planner and stickers person! Maybe you're a pomodoro enthusiast!) and not beating yourself up if you're not achieving everything but rather seeing it as feedback that your current method isn't a good fit for you.

Exactly, it's all about identifying the barriers. Why am I not doing what I want to be doing, and how can I work around that to have to spend as little will power as possible.

I use exercise as an example just because it's such a common issue. For me, I always have moments where I'm 100% down for exercise, but if I have to change my clothes to do it, I'm going to miss that moment where it will take me no willpower to do it.

So I just stay in exercise clothes at all times that I might want to exercise.

Likewise, I have shows that I will only watch or audiobooks that I will only listen to while exercising, so if I want to watch or hear more, I have to go exercise. That often creates those willpower free moments of wanting to exercise.

It's all about understanding exactly what things are stopping you from doing what you want to be doing and finding ways to eliminate or minimize those things. And yeah, it can take some trial and error, but the more you do it, the more intuitive the process becomes, largely because you get better about being really honest with yourself.

The biggest thing is to get over the whole guilt/shame element. People self-flagellate that it's some form of weakness or personal failing that they aren't doing more, which is just silly and inefficient, because that cultivates systems that rely more on willpower because people believe that they should just magically have more willpower than they do.

Instead, it's best to actually lean into laziness as much as humanly possible. Make everything you want to do so stinking easy that it doesn't take willpower to do it. Or at least, have that be the goal.

The lazier you are in how you get shit done, the more efficient you are, and the more you can get done.

The more we eliminate this puritanical, neoliberal notion grinding as a virtue, the easier it is to be really honest with ourselves about why we're not actually doing the shit we want to be doing.

Take the virtue out of working harder and strategies to work lazier become a lot easier to see.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2023, 08:15:50 PM »
This might sound weird, but I now run my life as 1-day AGILE sprints.

I maintain a backlog of bite-sized objectives, and every night I preplan the next day in detail.  It's then paint-by-numbers.

I also schedule the things I struggle with most first. Working out is right out of bed, and I don't get to eat until it's done.  And so forth.

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Re: Has anyone here succesfully fixed issues with motivation?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2023, 02:28:14 AM »
I find the "eat that frog" idea by Brian Tracy a really helpful tool, similar to some replies here.