Author Topic: Former employer requesting exit survey & interview a week after I've retired  (Read 3054 times)

EnjoyTheJourney

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Is it usual for employers to request an exit survey and an exit interview after an employee is retired?

HR received notice over 5 weeks before my retirement date. But, an internal mistake within HR led to them processing my paperwork about 3 weeks after I provided it to them. It's still a bit puzzling why they didn't ask earlier. I also have a very full agenda at the moment, so the timing for being asked isn't very good. 

The email mentions that the interview could be via the web or in person, at my convenience, and the link to survey was in the email requesting my participation. I'm still a little tempted to reply to the email with "The timing for this is unfortunate, given all the items on my "to do" list. At this point, it would seem best for us to all set this aside and move on to other things" as my only feedback. If what they're doing is pretty much the norm, though, then I'll reconsider whether or not to offer to participate at a later date.

I'm not very knowledgeable about the norms for this kind of situation, as I've only ever been through this once. How would others here handle a similar situation? Thank you in advance for your input!
« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 10:45:20 AM by EnjoyTheJourney »

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In my experience, exit interviews are done before you leave as a way to gather information about why you are leaving, etc. You are not obligated to participate esp. after you’ve already left their employment.

If you parted on good terms, or just want to be helpful, you can propose options that work for you and let them meet your availability.

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You are definitely under no obligation to do it!

I would personally just do it if it's 10 minutes or less and can be done remotely. I think I would ask for lunch if it required going somewhere, or some sort of gift card if it was going to be a long call.

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Is it usual for employers to request an exit survey and an exit interview after an employee is retired?

No.

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How would others here handle a similar situation?

I would participate.


What's your reservation about participating?

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Do you want to do an exit interview?

Pro[s): maintaining a decent relationship with your former employer (in case you need a reference later). 

If you don’t want to do it either because you cannot be honest (place is way too messed up) or you just don’t have time, or you cannot not be honest (place is way too messed up and you will say something) - just gently decline citing time restraints (and maybe saying you were expecting this would have been requested before you left).

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You do not owe them anything, and HR is never on your side. Therefore, I am trying to see what advantage there might be for you. If you really like them and trust them (careful!!!), then maybe agree to it to be nice. If not...

Tell 'em (in writing) that you will do it at your consulting rate of 500$/hour billed in half hour increments. If they want you to travel, then travel time (same rate), mileage, etc. are on top of that. Anything more than three hours will also require a partial per diem/food allowance. Then, send an invoice payable in ten days, or interest starts to accrue.

 
« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 05:57:50 PM by ObviouslyNotAGolfer »

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If you retired on unfriendly terms, say no. They may try to dig something up for whatever nefarious purpose. If you retired on good terms, consider it if they provide questions ahead of time for you to prepare written responses. If they go off-script, decline to answer.

Or just don’t do it because who cares!? You’re retired’!

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Thank you all for your thoughts. They've been helpful for getting a better sense of how these things usually go and for crystallizing my reasons for unease with participating.

I'm not leaving on the best of terms, but also not on bad terms. There's no reason to suspect that the exit interview / survey are anything other than a bureaucratic formality. That makes the process relatively non-threatening. But, there isn't much desire to participate because the odds that they're anticipating making changes based on feedback they receive from me are likely to be very low; those involved will almost certainly just file a report about all the resignations and retirements for the year and move on to other things. Also, the odds of me seeking paid employment again are very low and we may be moving to another country fairly soon, which makes maintaining ties with those in HR at my previous employer a low priority. 

I'll decline to participate and move on to other issues.


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Or, maybe don't even decline. Just f**king ghost them. That's what HR does to millions of job applicants/interviewees every single day--that and posting ads for positions that don't exist/are going to be filled by someone's crony.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 10:45:59 PM by ObviouslyNotAGolfer »

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What good can possibly come of it?

I like the idea of simply not responding to their request.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2022, 05:58:57 AM by Dicey »

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Yep, ignore them

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The only issue I have with ghosting them is that you are not ghosting HR, you are ghosting one HR rep. HR sucks for an employee, but there are lots of HR reps who are wonderful people.

Just respond with a one line email, saying no thank you. And get on with your retirement.

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I’ve done two exit interviews.  The first felt very formulaic, took about ten minutes, and I’m not sure what - if any - good came from it.  But it certainly wasn’t a big deal on my part.  The second was much better constructed and seemed designed to identify find solutions for employees leaving (which, if I understand correctly, is what most of these ‘exit surveys’ are commissioned to do).  That interview stretched beyond the slated 15 minute time period but was, ironically, pleasant and an almost enjoyable experience. Better still, I got a follow up email thanking me for some of my specific feedback and a few months later I learned that some minor company policies had been tweaked which benefitted some of my friends there. That made me feel very good about the overall experience.

Frankly I don’t understand the hostility towards them.  If you don’t like your former company or trust your HR feel free to decline in a two sentence email. But it also seems like many want to complain about how bad their jobs were and then refuse any attempts by the employer to identify problems. 

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Frankly I don’t understand the hostility towards them.  If you don’t like your former company or trust your HR feel free to decline in a two sentence email. But it also seems like many want to complain about how bad their jobs were and then refuse any attempts by the employer to identify problems.

+1

Although I would tweak it to be "if you don't want to help your former company or believe your feedback will have an impact" feel free to decline.  I don't get the angst.  Either you are willing to do it or you are not, but there's no reason to think nefarious purposes or be hostile.  But much like if you don't vote, then imho you don't have so much room to complain about your politicians, I think if you are going to complain about your company than at least give them the feedback if you don't believe it will hurt you (e.g. make it difficult to get a reference, take too much time, etc.). 

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Simply politely decline.  This is not a big deal.

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It's an item on the checklist that HR has to complete. They don't need to you actually complete it, but they do need to send the request. Lot of people on here need to take a chill pill.

Do it, don't do it, whatever. It's not a trick question, it's not life or death. You're busy? Then tell them you're sorry but your schedule won't permit it.

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If I leave on good terms, I would do it for $5000, bad terms $20,000.  The company will have to pay a consulting firm $50k and receive worthless information.  Payment up front, one time interview, no follow-up.   

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If I leave on good terms, I would do it for $5000, bad terms $20,000.  The company will have to pay a consulting firm $50k and receive worthless information.  Payment up front, one time interview, no follow-up.   

If one of my employees suggested I pay him/her that much to do an exit interview rather than simply declining, it would negatively impact future employment recommendations for said employee.
Why burn bridges this way? 

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If I leave on good terms, I would do it for $5000, bad terms $20,000.  The company will have to pay a consulting firm $50k and receive worthless information.  Payment up front, one time interview, no follow-up.   

If one of my employees suggested I pay him/her that much to do an exit interview rather than simply declining, it would negatively impact future employment recommendations for said employee.
Why burn bridges this way?

OP retired, so view it as helpful motivation to make retirement work…


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If I leave on good terms, I would do it for $5000, bad terms $20,000.  The company will have to pay a consulting firm $50k and receive worthless information.  Payment up front, one time interview, no follow-up.   

If one of my employees suggested I pay him/her that much to do an exit interview rather than simply declining, it would negatively impact future employment recommendations for said employee.
Why burn bridges this way?

OP retired, so view it as helpful motivation to make retirement work…

I mean, Cortez did burn his ships* upon reaching the New World...
Not the strategy I would recommend though.



*I guess even this might be a myth?

EnjoyTheJourney

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Frankly I don’t understand the hostility towards them.  If you don’t like your former company or trust your HR feel free to decline in a two sentence email. But it also seems like many want to complain about how bad their jobs were and then refuse any attempts by the employer to identify problems.

+1

Although I would tweak it to be "if you don't want to help your former company or believe your feedback will have an impact" feel free to decline.  I don't get the angst.  Either you are willing to do it or you are not, but there's no reason to think nefarious purposes or be hostile.  But much like if you don't vote, then imho you don't have so much room to complain about your politicians, I think if you are going to complain about your company than at least give them the feedback if you don't believe it will hurt you (e.g. make it difficult to get a reference, take too much time, etc.).
I wondered "Why the angst?" myself, as I was having difficulty making a decision. For decisions of less-than-great importance, usually that's not an issue. I suppose the angst may come from having mixed feelings connected to trying to make a difference at work in the past, with mixed results; a fair number of changes I suggested were adopted, which I'm proud about, while a fair number of other suggested changes never came to be. Part of me wanted to make suggestions, while part of me did not.

On reflection, though, the exit survey / interview are going to be formulaic and it will be summarized into a larger annual report before anybody in a position of power reads it. And, input from those leaving typically only leads to changes when it's delivered in person to somebody with power in the organization or when lawyers become involved. That's unfortunate. But, it is what it is. Given how things are, there's no grounds for believing that participation would lead to a productive use of anybody's time.

As for "decline" vs "not respond", on reflection I lean toward not responding to the request. They wouldn't necessarily like it if I showed up and used some office space for an afternoon after my retirement, even if that space would otherwise have been empty; it's just not an appropriate thing to do. Likewise, sending me a "to do" item after I'm no longer employed, when they could have done otherwise, strikes me as similarly inappropriate. I don't feel that I owe the organization a response in this situation.

This in no way invalidates the views of those who think that participating is likely to be productive; in a different context there's a good chance that would be true.

For me this situation is fully resolved and my thanks to those who helped to bring that about (which is everybody).
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For me this situation is fully resolved and my thanks to those who helped to bring that about (which is everybody).

Glad to hear it.  It's nice when topics are useful to the OP.

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Angst aside, I think that simply not responding in these types of situations makes the whole thing nicely ambiguous and does not saddle you with any words/opinions that may come back to haunt you. That way, it is possible that: 1.) You could have merely missed their e-mail; 2.) You had some overwhelming issue to deal with; 3.) You were very unhappy with them and think they are not worthy of a reply; 4.) You are so busy enjoying retired life that a (not very accommodating) former employer's request does not even amount to a fleeting blip on your radar screen. You have moved on in life and you owe them nothing. 

Pro tip: Go with number 4!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2022, 02:40:44 PM by ObviouslyNotAGolfer »

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Thank you all for your thoughts. They've been helpful for getting a better sense of how these things usually go and for crystallizing my reasons for unease with participating.

I'm not leaving on the best of terms, but also not on bad terms. There's no reason to suspect that the exit interview / survey are anything other than a bureaucratic formality. That makes the process relatively non-threatening. But, there isn't much desire to participate because the odds that they're anticipating making changes based on feedback they receive from me are likely to be very low; those involved will almost certainly just file a report about all the resignations and retirements for the year and move on to other things. Also, the odds of me seeking paid employment again are very low and we may be moving to another country fairly soon, which makes maintaining ties with those in HR at my previous employer a low priority. 

I'll decline to participate and move on to other issues.

Funny, as this is more or less the situation I am in.  They'll probably ask for an exit interview before I go, and I'll decline.  Even if they were sure to make changes, it is not my circus and therefore not my monkey anymore.

I absolutely understand why you would not want to dedicate any additional time or effort to this.  Life is too short, and even if it wasn't I have better things to do with my time.

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did you old fashioned retire or modern new fangled retired?

If you work for a company with retiree benefits that you are drawing on, I'd do the interview.  It probably doesn't matter but why risk not following the system?

Most newfangled retirements are actually just quitting since there are no employer benefits.  Then I'd ghost them.

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I've had a couple of exit interviews.  My opinion?  If they're with HR, they're probably not worth your time.  If they're with your boss, grand boss, or actual decision maker, then your feedback may actually have some meaning.

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If you've already left the company, they don't own your time any more.  I would respond back with my consulting fee and see if they're still interested.

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If you've already left the company, they don't own your time any more.  I would respond back with my consulting fee and see if they're still interested.
This. With a 2 hour minimum plus travel costs.
Consulting fee minimum should be twice your prior hourly. or 3x.
Information costs money.

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If I leave on good terms, I would do it for $5000, bad terms $20,000.  The company will have to pay a consulting firm $50k and receive worthless information.  Payment up front, one time interview, no follow-up.   

If one of my employees suggested I pay him/her that much to do an exit interview rather than simply declining, it would negatively impact future employment recommendations for said employee.
Why burn bridges this way?

Maybe you expect former employees to show up with cookies and give everyone a foot massage for a positive referral.  HR Clowns are the ones who are asking for this and your manager and collogues are the ones who provide recommendations.  If an exit interview is required, then you have to do it for your last paycheck.  If it's after your last day, it's just some idiot in HR filling out boxes to justify their salary and the price for me to show up.   

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Wow, so much hatred towards HR here. Both DW and I are "HR Clowns", so I can assure you there are some decent people in the industry. If your HR people suck, maybe it's the company that's the problem. I get that HR gets a bad rap, but laws and compliance are what keep our society in place, like it or not. (End of defensive rant)

Choosing to opt out of an exit interview is totally fine.  Like you said, with a mix up they were late and had a check box to fill. No they're not going to pay you $20k for a half hour of your time. In some places HR actually has a seat at the table and will try to execute change based on helpful feedback. Other times all we learn from an exit interview is "I'm glad that person left".

Congrats on retirement. I'll get there some day.

For everyone who likes to burn bridges, I'd just like to remind you there are real people on the other side of those bridges. Sometimes they might "deserve it" but other times they're just trying to make it through the day and deal with all the crap coming from every direction.

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There's a good show on AppleTV just started, called 'Severance'. HR deparments take note!

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20k, hilarious!