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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2015, 12:00:42 PM »
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The vast majority of my tube failures have involved the stem and not the outer surface of the tube - I'm open to options on how to patch that, but I've yet to find a good method.

I've also replaced tubes when they are "well perforated" by lots of sharp desert plants.  A tire full of goatheads leaves a ton of micro-holes that all leak.

If the stem is shot, yeah . . . you're SOL.  If this is the norm for you something is wrong though.  Are you properly seating the tube in the rim before inflating?  Particularly with Schrader valves it's possible to twist the stem so that it's at a funny angle and is putting a lot of pressure on the rubber near the valve which would cause this problem.  Might also be worth checking the valve hole in your rims for any tiny bits of aluminum that could be causing punctures (a little sandpaper should smooth that out).

If there are dozens of holes in your tire, I'd probably get a new tube too . . . but would also replace my tire because there's nothing to stop that new tube from being chewed up in exactly the same way otherwise.  The tire (and to some extent tire liners) is the only thing between you and punctures.


$5 ($12 if I'm lazy and go to the bike shop) to 1) avoid the work of patching the tube; 2) avoid the work of having to diagnose the cause of the failure (which may be stem-related or snakebite rather than puncture related); and 3) dramatically reduce the chance that I'll have to change a tire again in the next six months (possibly by the side of the road, in the rain/snow/heat, while wearing a dress)? WELL WORTH IT!

Besides demonstrating some pretty tremendous laziness (swapping a tube is what, 10 minutes if you're having a beer at the same time?), you're assuming that a new tube prevents flats somehow.  Why would this be the case?

Even a correctly-patched tube is just not as strong as a new tube; all tubes wear out eventually, and a tube that has already been patched is unlikely to last as long tube that has not been patched.

Why do you think this?  A correctly patched tube should last for thousands of kilometers.  Provided you keep your tires set to the proper pressure, punctures are usually caused when something penetrates your tire.  It doesn't matter how new a tube is . . . it's going to flat out when that happens.

For those less lazy than me, how do you keep the glue in your patch kit from drying up in between patches? Given that I only get a flat once or twice a year, I find I need a new tube of glue every time.

Have you tried putting the lid back on tightly?  :P  My patch kit is four years old now and the glue still works fine.
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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2015, 01:28:53 PM »
I ended up replacing both tires and tubes to resolve the issue. They had way, way to much New Mexico in them to ever clean out.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2015, 02:48:29 PM »
So, to all the people who don't patch tubes . . . do you light dollar bills on fire every once in a while for the fun of it too?  I mean it's only a dollar now and again and you clearly enjoy wasting money for no reason. . .

Speaking of dollar bills, I think I've seen instances where people will line the inside punctured area of a tire and it works. That seems like a great way to hide extra cash... except for when a thief steals your wheels.

That's called "booting" the tire. You do it when the tire itself (not the tube) has a cut or slit in it (or a very worn spot) that allows the tube to protrude slightly under load and causes a puncture. A dollar bill works, but so does a Powerbar wrapper, a piece of a Tyvek envelope, and other things--as well as the type of boot kendallf mentions, which will also last longer, usually. Although I've run Tyvek boots for many miles with no problem. On one memorable ride, we booted the rear tire on a tandem with lots (and lots) of duct tape. It got us home.

The dollar bill will be very wrinkled and dirty when you take it out of the tire, just so you know.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2015, 01:10:22 AM »
So, to all the people who don't patch tubes . . . do you light dollar bills on fire every once in a while for the fun of it too?  I mean it's only a dollar now and again and you clearly enjoy wasting money for no reason. . .

$5 ($12 if I'm lazy and go to the bike shop) to 1) avoid the work of patching the tube; 2) avoid the work of having to diagnose the cause of the failure (which may be stem-related or snakebite rather than puncture related); and 3) dramatically reduce the chance that I'll have to change a tire again in the next six months (possibly by the side of the road, in the rain/snow/heat, while wearing a dress)? WELL WORTH IT! Even a correctly-patched tube is just not as strong as a new tube; all tubes wear out eventually, and a tube that has already been patched is unlikely to last as long tube that has not been patched.

For those less lazy than me, how do you keep the glue in your patch kit from drying up in between patches? Given that I only get a flat once or twice a year, I find I need a new tube of glue every time.
I agree. I really can't be fucked spending ages patching a tube when a new tube really doesn't cost that much. Also, I must be particularly dumb at changing tubes, because it takes me aaages to change a flat. Maybe I need more practice. My hands just aren't strong enough to put the tyre back into place. So, that job is hard enough. I hate being outside, and dirty.

And. Well. Fuck it. Owning a bike is way cheaper than owning a car. So any convenience I can get, I'm happy with. People waste money on stuff I consider shit. So I'm gonna waste money on stuff you consider shit. That's what Mustachianism is about.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2015, 05:56:28 AM »
Mustachianism is about justifying waste because other people are wasteful too?  When did this core message change?

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2015, 07:39:43 AM »
Even a correctly-patched tube is just not as strong as a new tube; all tubes wear out eventually, and a tube that has already been patched is unlikely to last as long tube that has not been patched.

Why do you think this?  A correctly patched tube should last for thousands of kilometers.  Provided you keep your tires set to the proper pressure, punctures are usually caused when something penetrates your tire.  It doesn't matter how new a tube is . . . it's going to flat out when that happens.

Well, my tubes are usually visibily/noticeable stretched out when I replace them. They're hard to get back into the tire. I ride about 3000km per year and change my tubes about once a year. I'm OK with this.

If you want my old tubes, let me know, and you can have them for the cost of shipping. (I also sometimes eat fast food and buy soda, I have been known to drive my car at speeds exceeding 55mph, and I don't shop around or coupon for the best price on toothpaste or toilet paper, if you're looking for other places to eliminate waste from my budget.)

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2015, 10:02:29 AM »
So, to all the people who don't patch tubes . . . do you light dollar bills on fire every once in a while for the fun of it too?  I mean it's only a dollar now and again and you clearly enjoy wasting money for no reason. . .

Speaking of dollar bills, I think I've seen instances where people will line the inside punctured area of a tire and it works. That seems like a great way to hide extra cash... except for when a thief steals your wheels.


That's called "booting" the tire. You do it when the tire itself (not the tube) has a cut or slit in it (or a very worn spot) that allows the tube to protrude slightly under load and causes a puncture. A dollar bill works, but so does a Powerbar wrapper, a piece of a Tyvek envelope, and other things--as well as the type of boot kendallf mentions, which will also last longer, usually. Although I've run Tyvek boots for many miles with no problem. On one memorable ride, we booted the rear tire on a tandem with lots (and lots) of duct tape. It got us home.

The dollar bill will be very wrinkled and dirty when you take it out of the tire, just so you know.

I see, so it's a pretty last-resort type of thing it sounds like.

I ended up re-patching the tire yesterday when I got home. This time I was a little more patient with letting the glue dry and also didn't apply any glue to the patch. I think one problem with the previous patch I used was that part of it had peeled back from the foil, so I think it may have already been bad before putting it on. Anyway, after applying the patch I clamped it down with a block of wood and clamp for another few minutes. And allowed a few more minutes before inflating. When inflating the tube, I noticed the patch sort of 'hugs' the tube in an hourglass shape in the area where it's at. Is that normal? I patched the tube without any air in it - was I supposed to partially inflate before patching?

So far the tire doesn't seem like it has deflated. But I'm still hesitant and will give it another look tonight before committing to go tomorrow. I really don't want to have to commute on my wife's Schwinn again, that thing was not fun to ride at all... now I see why she doesn't like it all that much. Should've just invested in a nicer bike for her. Although, it probably still would have been sitting in the garage just as much as the current one haha.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2015, 10:19:32 AM »
It's normal for the patched area to be thicker/stronger than the rest of the tube, so it doesn't expand as much when you're pumping it without a tire to contain it.  When it's inside a tire this shouldn't cause any problems.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2015, 02:11:43 PM »
Yes, that's totally normal. You didn't do anything wrong. It sounds like a successful operation. Let us know tomorrow!

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2015, 07:20:04 PM »
Yes, that's totally normal. You didn't do anything wrong. It sounds like a successful operation. Let us know tomorrow!

It's normal for the patched area to be thicker/stronger than the rest of the tube, so it doesn't expand as much when you're pumping it without a tire to contain it.  When it's inside a tire this shouldn't cause any problems.

Phew, thanks for the reassurance. Hopefully it stays inflated :) I think the tires will still be OK in the meantime. Guess I'll take my time decided what tires I'd want to throw on it. And I do have a spare, which I hope is alright. It's the tube I was riding on before swapping with this newly patched one. For whatever reason, it decided to deflate (twice) and so I thought I had a puncture somewhere. Funny thing is, I've inflated the tube just as it is and there are no issues with it and it has stayed inflated. I tried the bucket of water trick and didn't see leakage anywhere. So I'm not sure what gives. Maybe the nozzle is bad and release air at a certain PSI? I have no idea...

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #60 on: June 04, 2015, 10:02:35 PM »
Yes, that's totally normal. You didn't do anything wrong. It sounds like a successful operation. Let us know tomorrow!

It's normal for the patched area to be thicker/stronger than the rest of the tube, so it doesn't expand as much when you're pumping it without a tire to contain it.  When it's inside a tire this shouldn't cause any problems.

Phew, thanks for the reassurance. Hopefully it stays inflated :) I think the tires will still be OK in the meantime. Guess I'll take my time decided what tires I'd want to throw on it. And I do have a spare, which I hope is alright. It's the tube I was riding on before swapping with this newly patched one. For whatever reason, it decided to deflate (twice) and so I thought I had a puncture somewhere. Funny thing is, I've inflated the tube just as it is and there are no issues with it and it has stayed inflated. I tried the bucket of water trick and didn't see leakage anywhere. So I'm not sure what gives. Maybe the nozzle is bad and release air at a certain PSI? I have no idea...

Well, I rode in today and it seemed to hold up just fine. I did need to inflate the tires a bit more after getting into work (it felt like there was a bit more resistance riding in). Subsequently, after inflating my tires and then riding home, I clocked my fastest time going home. Not sure if it's cause of the tires being inflated well or if the tune-up helped that much... it did feel a lot easier shifting up on the last several highest gears.

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2015, 01:45:18 PM »
If you're not in a hurry to use your patched tubes, just inflate them an hang them on a wall someone.  Within a few hours they'll be noticeably deflated if you still have a leak or haven't repaired them properly.

When I was patching tubes, I'd typically wait until I had 5 or more and then patch them all at once to save time and glue.  (I'll get back to patching when I get close to exhausting my large stock of $2 tubes.)

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Re: Flat tires - bikes?
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2015, 04:53:33 PM »
If you're not in a hurry to use your patched tubes, just inflate them an hang them on a wall someone.  Within a few hours they'll be noticeably deflated if you still have a leak or haven't repaired them properly.

When I was patching tubes, I'd typically wait until I had 5 or more and then patch them all at once to save time and glue.  (I'll get back to patching when I get close to exhausting my large stock of $2 tubes.)

I've heard tubes generally have some shelf-life to them though. Is this true? e.g. not sure I'd feel too comfortable riding a patched tube from 10 years ago...