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Growing Mustache

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First Time Home Buyer Question!
« on: October 04, 2016, 05:36:30 PM »
Hi All,

      We are planning to buy our first house. Right now we have $26K in our bank account and we plan to pay off the $25K student loan with that money. I read that MMM recommends to save up to 50,000 for downpayment first. But what if first time home buyers have some great benefits. Instead of renting a place while saving money, would it be better to start paying mortgage with that money and building equity?

      Thank you!
     

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2016, 05:43:38 PM »
What is the interest rates on the student loans?

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2016, 06:16:12 PM »
I believe MMM says 20% rather than $50,000, and that's to avoid paying PMI. I'd read the article below, decide if you want to still buy a house, if so, if your interest rate on any of your school loans is 4% or less, and you are okay with debt,  you could make minimum payments and use your saved up money for a down payment. You can get mortgages with less than 20% down, but usually it costs more.

http://jlcollinsnh.com/2012/02/23/rent-v-owning-your-home-opportunity-cost-and-running-some-numbers/

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2016, 07:50:51 PM »
+1 to what Cassie and Jeremy have already said.
To add: have you run a rent vs buy calculator like this one?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?_r=0

Is buying favorable in your area and situation, and by how much?
How much will your hypothetical home cost and how much is your take home pay?
Do you have any other savings for when repairs happen?

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2016, 08:30:02 PM »
What is the interest rates on the student loans?

The student load is 6%

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2016, 08:34:56 PM »
+1 to what Cassie and Jeremy have already said.
To add: have you run a rent vs buy calculator like this one?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?_r=0

Is buying favorable in your area and situation, and by how much?
How much will your hypothetical home cost and how much is your take home pay?
Do you have any other savings for when repairs happen?

Thank you for the resource and the questions for us to brainstorm! They are very helpful. Thanks again!

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2016, 07:30:32 AM »
I can tell you that we paid off my wife's 6% student loans before we bought our house, but there are lots of factors that might make your situation different (including how much you need a house).  We didn't have any kids at the time, so we were find in our one bedroom apartment.

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2016, 07:48:31 AM »
I think it mostly comes down to the relative monthly costs of paying a mortgage + maintenance, compared to the cost of rent.  That is totally dependant on your local market.

When I was first married, we bought a house right away.  Build equity, we thought.  Well, in reality, several things made this not the best decision. 

1.  Rent on a 2 bedroom apartment would have been maybe 1000$.  Mortgage on a 3 bedroom house was 2000 with an 80% mortgage + a 20% HEL (This was in the mortgage heyday, now you'll be paying PMI instead most likely, but same concept).
2.  We had maintenance costs, which added considerably to the monthly expense.
3.  Utilities in a house were higher. 

So overall, we would have been much better off renting the 2 bedroom apartment and saving 1500$ a month that we would have been spending on the house every month.  And then buying the house once we actually needed the space.

Now we live somewhere else and have 2 kids, so we need the 3 bedroom house.  Here, we can get a 2 bedroom apartment for 600$ a month.  Renting a house is 1200-1400$ a month or more.  So if we need the house, it could definitely make sense to buy- although again it depends on house prices.  When we owned a house here, with 5% down, and a ~230K purchase price, the mortgage was 1600/month.  About 400-500 of that was going to principle, plus again we had maintenance- so really, if you add some maintenance, and subtract the principle pay down, you are about breaking even with renting.  So in my area, you need to buy a house that costs less than about 230K in order for owning to be cheaper.

Of course there are other reasons to own.  We will be buying again, in the 200-250K range (so right around break even), and its mostly for lifestyle reasons, not financial.  We want to do yard projects, and customize the house, and not have to worry about rent being raised, or leases being terminated.  Just be aware of if you are bying for a financial reason or a lifestyle reason, and if it is lifestyle, don't try to justify it as financial.

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2016, 07:54:00 AM »
The student load is 6%

Adding on to what I said before...
Depending on your area and circumstances, renting sometimes comes out as the better financial decision, so don't eliminate that.  One of hte biggest factors is how long you plan on being in the area, and how certain you are that you want to stay there for many years.

Absent more information, I'd strongly favor paying off your student loans first, which will reduce your debt load and improve cash flow. 
You'll want to avoid paying PMI, which normally (but not always) means having a 20% down payment.

Beyond that... make sure your monthly mortgage payment is something you can handle.  If you both work could you pay the mortgage (or rent) if one of you looses your job or quits? Also, expensive repairs *will* happen at some point when owning a home. Consider how you will finance an unexpected $5k-10k repair.

If you post real numbers (e.g. estimated home price, equivalent rents in your area, your salaries, savings, etc) we can do a more detailed, by-the-numbers analysis.

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Re: First Time Home Buyer Question!
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2016, 06:50:23 PM »
The student load is 6%

Adding on to what I said before...
Depending on your area and circumstances, renting sometimes comes out as the better financial decision, so don't eliminate that.  One of hte biggest factors is how long you plan on being in the area, and how certain you are that you want to stay there for many years.

Absent more information, I'd strongly favor paying off your student loans first, which will reduce your debt load and improve cash flow. 
You'll want to avoid paying PMI, which normally (but not always) means having a 20% down payment.

Beyond that... make sure your monthly mortgage payment is something you can handle.  If you both work could you pay the mortgage (or rent) if one of you looses your job or quits? Also, expensive repairs *will* happen at some point when owning a home. Consider how you will finance an unexpected $5k-10k repair.

If you post real numbers (e.g. estimated home price, equivalent rents in your area, your salaries, savings, etc) we can do a more detailed, by-the-numbers analysis.

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation!!! Looks like we have a lot to think about and work on :) Thanks again!