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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #200 on: February 03, 2025, 03:23:14 PM »
Now tariffs on Mexico are delayed a month.  So, this can be a slow drip torture, in addition to a debacle.

The crazy thing is, it appears to actually have been about fentanyl, rather than that just being the public cover story.

According to US stats, less than 1% of the Fentanyl in the US comes from the US/Canadian border.  Doesn't seem like it's really about fentanyl from here.

are you telling me I stocked up on a years supply of fentanyl for nothing??!

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« Reply #201 on: February 03, 2025, 03:23:43 PM »
I call BS on the Canada border thing.

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I'd have to see some evidence to believe that Canada is shipping anything more addictive than maple syrup across the border.

Thank you, because we have Fentanyl killing in our streets too, I always thought it was coming from foreign labs, which the DEA confirms arrive through Mexico.

https://www.dea.gov/resources/facts-about-fentanyl#:~:text=Illicit%20fentanyl%2C%20primarily%20manufactured%20in,on%20the%20illegal%20drug%20market.

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« Reply #202 on: February 03, 2025, 04:22:25 PM »

Thank you, because we have Fentanyl killing in our streets too, I always thought it was coming from foreign labs, which the DEA confirms arrive through Mexico.

https://www.dea.gov/resources/facts-about-fentanyl#:~:text=Illicit%20fentanyl%2C%20primarily%20manufactured%20in,on%20the%20illegal%20drug%20market.

I have personally met people who have died from overdoses.  They wanted to stay clean, but couldn't.  After the local meth houses got cleaned up I heard from a local doc that people were injecting mixtures of household chemicals.  It's really sad. 

In my opinion, they need to address the root cause, the addiction.  Otherwise, they'll keep buying, and patrolling the southern border more will only move the points of entry elsewhere.   Maybe the answer is finding something so these people aren't aimless.  Maybe the new GLP-1 drugs could help them kick the habit long enough to find a cause in life.

To be charitable to Trump, maybe he does think he is going to control the drug supply to help these people.  But I'd bet more on the tariffs on Canada being just another flood the zone tactic to distract us.  And in the meantime, we're alienating the allies who died alongside us in wars.

As for a shopping list: I wish I had bought solar. 

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« Reply #203 on: February 03, 2025, 04:37:54 PM »
Now tariffs on Mexico are delayed a month.  So, this can be a slow drip torture, in addition to a debacle.

The crazy thing is, it appears to actually have been about fentanyl, rather than that just being the public cover story.

According to US stats, less than 1% of the Fentanyl in the US comes from the US/Canadian border.  Doesn't seem like it's really about fentanyl from here.

are you telling me I stocked up on a years supply of fentanyl for nothing??!

Nah, Trump will still give you plenty of reasons to use it.  :P

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« Reply #204 on: February 03, 2025, 09:51:43 PM »
Apparently it is produce.  Specifically strawberries and avocados.

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« Reply #205 on: February 03, 2025, 10:01:14 PM »
Now tariffs on Mexico are delayed a month.  So, this can be a slow drip torture, in addition to a debacle.

The crazy thing is, it appears to actually have been about fentanyl, rather than that just being the public cover story.

According to US stats, less than 1% of the Fentanyl in the US comes from the US/Canadian border.  Doesn't seem like it's really about fentanyl from here.

I live near the US/Canadian border (US) and I hear a lot about the drug problems in the area. Not sure if that is coming from Canada or not, or if that is the real target, but fentanyl is a huge issue.


The National tonight indicated that 0.2% of fentanyl enters the US through Canada.  The vast majority comes across the Mexican border.

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« Reply #206 on: February 04, 2025, 05:45:39 AM »
This may or may not be the appropriate thread for this, but I don't think it necessarily justifies a completely new one.  Is anyone else seeing shortages of things other than eggs?  I normally buy pre-cooked turkey meatballs for meal prep and I haven't been able to get them in weeks.  In fact, none of the Walmarts within 30 miles of me have them in stock either.  Cottage cheese has been hit or miss lately too, especially the store brand that is a little lower fat than the name brand.  The frozen zucchini blend that I normally buy is not only out of stock, but the product page seems to have been removed from the website completely. 

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« Reply #207 on: February 04, 2025, 07:58:59 AM »
My topsoil is garbage though, so I'm trying to figure out if the ROI on building raised beds or doing major soil recomp is going to be worth it.

THis is a great book by a couple of UW scientists who totally rebuilt the soil in their NE Seattle yard.  They have a whole series if you find it to be a good read:

https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Half-Nature-Microbial-Health/dp/0393353370/

(Oops == linked the wrong title.  The one below is also good, though.  As are the ones on soil in general (Dirt) and the link between plant health and gut microbiome health (What YOur Food Ate)

https://www.washington.edu/news/2017/05/02/new-book-by-uws-david-r-montgomery-addresses-how-to-rebuild-earths-soils/

https://www.dig2grow.com/books
« Last Edit: February 04, 2025, 08:02:25 AM by lhamo »

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« Reply #208 on: February 04, 2025, 08:14:59 AM »
Now tariffs on Mexico are delayed a month.  So, this can be a slow drip torture, in addition to a debacle.

The crazy thing is, it appears to actually have been about fentanyl, rather than that just being the public cover story.
It's not about fentanyl; it's about getting Mexico to do our border enforcement for us. Those 10,000 troops will inevitably find themselves stopping a bunch of simple migrants while they're out looking for drug smugglers.

Fentanyl is just the "think of the children!!1!" issue that garners sympathy for the administration's efforts. Meanwhile their real motivation is, as always, racism & xenophobia.

I was expecting more of, "OK, check on fentanyl.  Here's the next thing on our list, that we aren't sharing with you."  A perpetual threat, for whatever the latest thing is.

If he has rescinded the treaty he negotiated, how will the new agreement be enforced?  My guess is Trump just thinks it's at his whim, like every other aspect of his life.
That's certainly a possibility as well.

Although now I'm hearing a lot about a different interpretation: that it was actually 45/47 who caved here. The supporting points:

  • The stock market dropped like a rock after he announced the tariffs, and just kept dropping. He and his billionaire buddies presumably didn't like that
  • Apparently the 10k Mexican troops were already promised back in 2021 [source needed?]
  • He failed to mention that he'd reciprocated Mexico's promise to reduce drug traffic going North with our own promise to reduce gun traffic going South
  • Canada didn't really promise him very much, yet he "paused" those tariffs as well
« Last Edit: February 04, 2025, 09:02:43 AM by dcheesi »

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #209 on: February 04, 2025, 08:43:59 AM »
  • Apparently the 10k Mexican troops were already promised back in 2021 [source needed?]

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/mexico-national-guard-southern-border/ (25,000 troops)

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-get-28000-mexican-soldiers-police-border-1777950 (this is scary because it's from 2023 and yet... you would think it was from this week!)


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At an April 2022 rally in Delaware, Ohio
Claiming to quote the Mexican representative, Trump said: "'We're not gonna give you 28,000 soldiers for free'.

"I said 'Yes you are, because it's now Friday afternoon at one o'clock and on Monday morning at 8 o'clock in the morning I'm putting on a 25 percent tariff, all of the cars that you stole (from) our industry, stole 32 percent, every car that comes into the United States is going to have a tax or tariff of 25 percent.

"And every other product you sell into the United States will be tariffed at approximately 25 percent starting Monday morning at 8 o'clock.

"And he looked at me, he said, 'Sir, it would be an honor to have 28,000 soldiers on the border. It would be an honor to have Stay in freaking Mexico."

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This latter figure was also quoted separately by the Mexican government; the head of the Mexican army Luis Cresencio Sandoval said it had deployed nearly 15,000 "units" towards the U.S. border, partly consistent with the statement from Morgan.

According to a report by Reuters dated June 25, 2019, Sandoval said there was "a total deployment of 14,000, almost 15,000 units between the National Guard and the Army" in the north of Mexico.

Sandoval said the southern Mexico-Guatemala border had a deployment of 6,500 troops, per the report. That would be a combined total of around 21,500 across the northern and southern Mexican borders.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/mexico-says-it-has-deployed-15000-forces-in-the-north-to-halt-us-bound-migrat-idUSKCN1TP2YD/
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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #210 on: February 04, 2025, 08:57:52 AM »
This may or may not be the appropriate thread for this, but I don't think it necessarily justifies a completely new one.  Is anyone else seeing shortages of things other than eggs?  I normally buy pre-cooked turkey meatballs for meal prep and I haven't been able to get them in weeks.  In fact, none of the Walmarts within 30 miles of me have them in stock either.  Cottage cheese has been hit or miss lately too, especially the store brand that is a little lower fat than the name brand.  The frozen zucchini blend that I normally buy is not only out of stock, but the product page seems to have been removed from the website completely.

I've also noticed there are no turkey meatballs.  Bird flu related also?

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« Reply #211 on: February 04, 2025, 09:01:23 AM »
Although now I'm hearing a lot of a different interpretation: that it was actually 45/47 who caved here. The supporting points:

  • The stock market dropped like a rock after he announced the tariffs, and just kept dropping. He and his billionaire buddies presumably didn't like that
  • Apparently the 10k Mexican troops were already promised back in 2021 [source needed?]
  • He failed to mention that he'd reciprocated Mexico's promise to reduce drug traffic going North with our own promise to reduce gun traffic going South
  • Canada didn't really promise him very much, yet he "paused" those tariffs as well

I'm beginning to think that too. Canada's promises were a regurgitation of what they said last year, on their own.

Also,
* There were reports that US auto was going to grind to a halt because parts are shipped back and forth multiple times, with each value add getting hit with the tariff. Trump would've lost major support if that happened.

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #212 on: February 04, 2025, 09:16:21 AM »
This may or may not be the appropriate thread for this, but I don't think it necessarily justifies a completely new one.  Is anyone else seeing shortages of things other than eggs?  I normally buy pre-cooked turkey meatballs for meal prep and I haven't been able to get them in weeks.  In fact, none of the Walmarts within 30 miles of me have them in stock either.  Cottage cheese has been hit or miss lately too, especially the store brand that is a little lower fat than the name brand.  The frozen zucchini blend that I normally buy is not only out of stock, but the product page seems to have been removed from the website completely.

I've also noticed there are no turkey meatballs.  Bird flu related also?

That would make sense.  I wish I'd thought about that back a few weeks ago when I could still get them. 

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #213 on: February 04, 2025, 07:15:11 PM »
My topsoil is garbage though, so I'm trying to figure out if the ROI on building raised beds or doing major soil recomp is going to be worth it.

THis is a great book by a couple of UW scientists who totally rebuilt the soil in their NE Seattle yard.  They have a whole series if you find it to be a good read:

https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Half-Nature-Microbial-Health/dp/0393353370/

(Oops == linked the wrong title.  The one below is also good, though.  As are the ones on soil in general (Dirt) and the link between plant health and gut microbiome health (What YOur Food Ate)

https://www.washington.edu/news/2017/05/02/new-book-by-uws-david-r-montgomery-addresses-how-to-rebuild-earths-soils/

https://www.dig2grow.com/books

While we're veering off topic, may I recommend the book Dirt: The Ecstatic Skin of the Earth? https://search.worldcat.org/title/76798067

It's more a natural history than a gardening manual, but it's a fabulous read. 

For instruction, Let it Rot and The Mulch Book respectively by the late Stu Campbell are good, practical guides while remaining grounded in science.

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #214 on: February 04, 2025, 08:48:21 PM »
The US Postal Service has been ordered to stop taking parcels from China or Hong Kong.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/business/us-postal-service-suspends-parcels-china-intl-hnk/index.html

It is unknown what will happen to packages in transit.

As with the tariffs, we’ll see how long it lasts. But if it continues this will utterly destroy a lot of eBay’s and BABA’s business model. It will cut me off from a cheap source of computer components and bicycle parts. Amazon and WalMart.com could also be hurt, if higher shipping costs and lower tariff exemptions end the profitability of entire lines of business.

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« Reply #215 on: February 05, 2025, 07:27:05 AM »

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #216 on: February 05, 2025, 07:57:00 AM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #217 on: February 05, 2025, 07:58:56 AM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.

60% of the buildings in the Gaza strip have been flattened.  I'm not sure there's enough of a place left to invade.

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #218 on: February 05, 2025, 09:54:08 AM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
What will we rename Gaza? Middle East Carolina?

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #219 on: February 05, 2025, 10:36:19 AM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
We license the USA name to Gaza, and allow them to rebuild in our golden image, for a cut.

It stills seems too easy to actually picture "us" doing it.

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #220 on: February 05, 2025, 10:37:19 AM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
What will we rename Gaza? Middle East Carolina?

New New York.

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« Reply #221 on: February 05, 2025, 12:07:50 PM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
What will we rename Gaza? Middle East Carolina?

New New York.

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« Reply #222 on: February 05, 2025, 12:34:55 PM »
MAGAterranea.

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« Reply #223 on: February 05, 2025, 01:01:09 PM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
What will we rename Gaza? Middle East Carolina?
"Welcomed to Trump PlGaza"

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Re: Do you have a pre-tariffs shopping list?
« Reply #224 on: February 05, 2025, 01:20:58 PM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
What will we rename Gaza? Middle East Carolina?
"Welcomed to Trump PlGaza"

I saw a meme calling it "MAGA strip".

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« Reply #225 on: February 05, 2025, 02:11:56 PM »
The USPS has restarted those shipments.

https://apnews.com/article/usps-china-hongkong-shein-temu-b456d7b6d66780090bd5bef862dfda13
Geez, we can't even make posts about things before they are reversed.

Could this be peak political entertainment? Possibly not. In the next episode we invade Gaza with live video feeds, and then withdraw when Trump makes a deal with somebody.
Welcome to Chaosocracy, the rule of chaos.  Apparently the USPS stoppage isn't only about the USPS

https://www.fidelity.com/news/article/top-news/202502050036RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KBN3EQ06B-OUSBS_1

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The USPS did not comment on whether its temporary suspension had been tied to Trump's order ending de minimis shipments from China, which was announced on Saturday and came into force on Tuesday.
"The problem is not with the Postal Service. The problem is with Customs. They are not prepared for what's happening," said one postal industry expert, who requested anonymity for fear of retribution. "The trillion-dollar question," the expert said, is who will collect the duties and who will pay them.
The swift change puts an added burden on the CBP to use its already limited resources to focus on collecting duties for the flood of small packages that enter the country, said Kate Muth, executive director of the International Mailers Advisory Group (IMAG), which represents the U.S. international mailing and shipping sector.
Making the change through the traditional federal rule-making process would have allowed affected parties to provide input and adjust in the months-long period before implementation, she said.
"We don't have that luxury. Everything's happening immediately without preparation," she said.
There is also the potential that the CBP could see a net revenue loss if the cost to collect those duties is higher than the revenue that's collected, she said.

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« Reply #226 on: February 05, 2025, 02:39:51 PM »
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There is also the potential that the CBP could see a net revenue loss if the cost to collect those duties is higher than the revenue that's collected, she said.
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Now wouldn't that be ironic if the collection of tariffs is among those tasks that wastes government money.

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« Reply #227 on: February 05, 2025, 05:00:13 PM »
I try my best to be optimistic and not be a doomer, but these days I am being tested