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Title: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: enpower on February 08, 2015, 03:34:30 PM
I've got the sudden urge to buy one!

I know the odds are terrible. I worked it out actually. Odds are 1 in 38 million to win to big jackpot. I've read articles that say the odds are so large, human brains can't process the odds and buy tickets anyway.

I've only ever bought one ticket in my life on my 18th birthday and thinking for some reason of buying another today. I just can't get the thought out of my head.

I know it isn't a good idea to gamble your savings away but I just can't help dreaming about it.

Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dimitri on February 08, 2015, 03:44:50 PM
Got a hunch?  Bet a bunch.

A man's gotta make at least one bet a day, else he could be walking around lucky and never know it.
Rev. Jim Jones
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jim_jones.html
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Janie on February 08, 2015, 03:47:05 PM
no
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Ricky on February 08, 2015, 03:47:14 PM
Nope. Never even had the desire. The odds aren't really unfathomable, just look at it as "it's not possible, period".

Isn't this a silly question to ask in one of the most sensible corners of the Internet?
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kris on February 08, 2015, 03:50:01 PM
No.  Bleah. 

However, my husband does.  So I guess I'm kinda covered either way? 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: mama on February 08, 2015, 03:50:26 PM
I buy a $1 lottery ticket maybe 2x a year.  For obvious reasons (like the odds of winning), I can't picture spending serious dough on lottery tickets, but I find $1 for 36 hours of daydreaming about what I'd do if I had oodles of money to be a fair deal.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: frugaldrummer on February 08, 2015, 04:01:42 PM
I had a mathematically wise boyfriend once who said "The difference in possibility of winning between NOT buying a ticket and buying a ticket is infinite.  The difference between buying one ticket and buying two is miniscule."

So I buy ONE ticket once in a blue moon.  (Bear in mind, though, that I have NO ADDICTIVE TENDENCIES - if you do, you should stay far far away from gambling).

I reason that the price of one ticket is worth the entertainment value of imagining what I might do with the money if I win.  And there has been a surprising benefit.  The mental exercise of deciding where I would spend the money has clarified my goals.I find that I focus on security (paying off my and family members' home loans, providing a steady income for certain friends and family members who have challenges) and charity (would love to do something for foster kids who age out of the system and for ex-addicts trying to re-integrate into society) and travel. VERY LITTLE of my daydreaming has anything to do with more stuff or a bigger home or a fancier car.

This helps me see that, for me, paying off my home mortgage and building up my retirement income for safety are high value.  Cheap travel in retirement ranks high (maybe even renting out my house for a year and living in another country).  Helping certain friends and family to understand their finances and set goals is key.  And I would definitely like to do some volunteering when retired. 

And guess what?  NONE of those things are  dependent on me winning the lottery!  I can achieve all those goals just by achieving FIRE and using the tools I already possess to help others.

Worth $2 once in a while to help me re-clarify those goals.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: clarkfan1979 on February 08, 2015, 04:16:15 PM
People overestimate the likelihood of really rare events like the lottery. It is a part of prospect theory developed by Daniel Kahneman. I honesty would never play the powerball because I would not like the consequence of winning. The main reason for me not playing is because it would cause problems in my family if I did win. I believe with 100% certainty that I would no longer speak with some of my family if I won the lottery. At some point someone would feel like they didn't get what they deserved and would never speak with me again. Very sad, but very true. The curse of the lottery is very real. It's not really a curse, it's just that people only think of the positive outcomes from winning. They ignore the negative outcomes.

Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: gimp on February 08, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
No.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Workinghard on February 08, 2015, 04:50:38 PM
No.  Bleah. 

However, my husband does.  So I guess I'm kinda covered either way?

Ditto with me and my husband! He uses his personal spending money.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: lise on February 08, 2015, 05:02:16 PM
I had a mathematically wise boyfriend once who said "The difference in possibility of winning between NOT buying a ticket and buying a ticket is infinite.  The difference between buying one ticket and buying two is miniscule."

So I buy ONE ticket once in a blue moon.  (Bear in mind, though, that I have NO ADDICTIVE TENDENCIES - if you do, you should stay far far away from gambling).

I reason that the price of one ticket is worth the entertainment value of imagining what I might do with the money if I win.  And there has been a surprising benefit.  The mental exercise of deciding where I would spend the money has clarified my goals.I find that I focus on security (paying off my and family members' home loans, providing a steady income for certain friends and family members who have challenges) and charity (would love to do something for foster kids who age out of the system and for ex-addicts trying to re-integrate into society) and travel. VERY LITTLE of my daydreaming has anything to do with more stuff or a bigger home or a fancier car.

This helps me see that, for me, paying off my home mortgage and building up my retirement income for safety are high value.  Cheap travel in retirement ranks high (maybe even renting out my house for a year and living in another country).  Helping certain friends and family to understand their finances and set goals is key.  And I would definitely like to do some volunteering when retired. 

And guess what?  NONE of those things are  dependent on me winning the lottery!  I can achieve all those goals just by achieving FIRE and using the tools I already possess to help others.

Worth $2 once in a while to help me re-clarify those goals.

Nicely put.  I too participate maybe 2 times a year when I happened to be a store that sells tickets and I get the urge.  When the jackpot is really big and friends want to pool in I'll participate with a $1 or $2 - that's probably 3 times a year.   I won $50,000 a while back.  Put most of it towards my mortgage, took my parents and siblings out for a nice dinner (they're frugalish too - they're happy with the dinner out since we are obsessed about different cuisines/eating).  Took my boyfriend to a NBA game with seats close up (not court side but 20 rows back and got on stub hub so paid under face value).  We normally go once a year but sit far away from the action.   So I treated myself to experiences rather than things.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Davids on February 08, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Only when it is a huge jackpot like the current powerball jackpot is. I only buy 1 ticket. I figure the thought of daydreaming what i would do if i won is worth the $2.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: johnny847 on February 08, 2015, 05:12:49 PM
I have. I won $25 from a $1 ticket once. But I know it wasn't a rationally sound decision to buy one.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Raste on February 08, 2015, 06:04:30 PM
I'll buy 1 or 2 per year on a big jackpot with some pocket change I've got around the house. My GF and I buy some $1 scratch off tickets for Christmas and New Year party favors during family dinners. $5 for each occassion and it's a relatively cheap way to get a cheap thrill. It is also an inexpensive way to divert conversations from utter disasters thus reducing my blood pressure at an already stressful time.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Zikoris on February 08, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
Oh hell no.

Here's how I look at it. $2 = 1 little useless piece of paper, or $2 = 1 delicious ice cold drink. I'll take the one that actually gets me something I enjoy.

I like the idea of being rich of course, which is why I save and invest most of my income. I certainly don't need to buy a lottery ticket to envision a future of not needing to work - I have a plan for that already.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Capsu78 on February 08, 2015, 06:56:10 PM
Yes, when things get big, only to enjoy coming up with a plan for if we did hit it big.  I have one too- not tell anyone beyond my family after signing NDA's, darkening my house and renting in a local gated community, waiting until the last moment for my working trust to declare the winnings. To pick a charity to goose and share the Karma with and set up something multigenerational that gives opportunity, but not wealth to future generations of our heirs.

Still have a better chance of being mauled by both a polar and a grizzly bear on the same day but entertainingly affordable.

Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Capsu78 on February 08, 2015, 07:42:34 PM
Yes, when things get big, only to enjoy coming up with a plan for if we did hit it big.  I have one too- not tell anyone beyond my family after signing NDA's, darkening my house and renting in a local gated community, waiting until the last moment for my working trust to declare the winnings. To pick a charity to goose and share the Karma with and set up something multigenerational that gives opportunity, but not wealth to future generations of our heirs.

Still have a better chance of being mauled by both a polar and a grizzly bear on the same day but entertainingly affordable.

I thought lotteries typically publish the names of winners. I am not an expert on the lottery though. Maybe that's optional.

Different states have different disclosure protocals, but the optimal marketing event they have is somebody photogenically "normal" by lotto ticket buying standards coming forward to say "my life will be different" than someone who strategically places themselves behind a Trust like myself who might just blurt out "Lottery Tickets are a tax on the stupid people" in front of the cameras. 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Celda on February 08, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Only when the odds are in your favour, which happens rarely.

E.g. my lottery has a 1 in 14 million chance for the jackpot, with a $2 ticket, meaning that the jackpot merely has to be above $28 million for it to be a good deal.

This happens very rarely though, for the obvious reason that the lotto would not make money if that happened all the time.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: marty998 on February 08, 2015, 08:00:12 PM
I buy the occasional ticket.

Odds may be small but someone actually does win it every week.

You've just gotta not truly believe it will be you or not get addicted to thinking that it will happen.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: YoungInvestor on February 08, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
I'll get one if I'm out to lunch with colleagues and one of them buys one, but otherwise, I never do.

2-5$ for half a week of wondering what you'd do with X$ isn't too bad of a deal, I reckon.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: DK on February 08, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
take part in the lotto pool at work for the big jackpots. otherwise stay far far away from lottery tickets.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: johnintaiwan on February 08, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
I think of it as entertainment, not gambling. I think buying a lotto ticket once in a while is a completely legitimate form of entertainment.

I don't buy tickets myself, but Chinese New Year is coming and so are the red envelopes. Many people use that money to but lotto tickets here. I know my wife will buy a lot and have hours of fun scratching and redeeming them.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MarciaB on February 08, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
I buy a $1 lottery ticket maybe 2x a year.  For obvious reasons (like the odds of winning), I can't picture spending serious dough on lottery tickets, but I find $1 for 36 hours of daydreaming about what I'd do if I had oodles of money to be a fair deal.

I do the very same thing for the same reason. I enjoy the time spent daydreaming about the big win. I like talking to friends about what I might do with the money, what they would do if they won. We scheme on which charities could really use a big hit of funding.

Which is all to say, there's a lot of fun to be had for the $1 or $2 you spend on the ticket. But the caveat here is doing this once a year or so, and considering it an entertainment expense.

So - the OP? S/he should just go ahead and buy that one (ONE) ticket and get good mileage out the entertainment of it. Then get back to real life and make some actual dreams come true.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: couponvan on February 08, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
We buy 1.  Someone gave me a $1,000 scratcher for my bday - I thought it was a joke/gag, as I'd never done a scratcher before.  It's purely entertainment value, although we do have friends that won big, so "someone" has to win. :-)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: greaper007 on February 08, 2015, 10:44:50 PM
Anytime I get the urge to gamble I take the money and either buy crack cocaine or heroin.   It seems like a more reasonable way to throw away money.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: kander on February 09, 2015, 12:48:47 AM
I get one Advent Calender scratcher each year in December. It's like a calender with chocolat, but instead of chocolat you can win €50.000 ;) But never bought one myself.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: JLee on February 09, 2015, 07:51:51 AM
I joined a pool on a message forum once and have bought a few tickets during my lifetime, generally when the jackpot is $400mil+. Maybe ~$25 over the last 10+ years.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: caliq on February 09, 2015, 07:58:44 AM
I get lottery tickets as stocking stuffers sometimes on Christmas, but only like 5 $1 tickets.  I think one of them was a $2 winner once but I forgot about it and never cashed it in...found it years later and threw it out. 

I bought my first and only lottery tickets ($5 worth? maybe?) two years ago (at age 21ish) when the jackpot was like 500 million dollars or something like that.  It was a fun dreaming exercise and like others have said, made me realize some of my priorities for my money. 

I wouldn't say I "buy lottery tickets" though. 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MsPeacock on February 09, 2015, 07:59:09 AM
A couple times per year if the jackpot is crazy high. I was actually thinking about getting one today because the jackpot is something like $380 million dollars. A couple bucks for a few days of daydreaming about what I'd do (who would I tell? Who would I call first - likely my lawyers... Where would I travel to? Would I move or not? or remodel? etc.)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: LadyDriver on February 09, 2015, 08:00:12 AM
I have money budgeted for this kind of stuff, although most goes to lotteries that have some kind of charitable purpose. It is the same is any other consumable luxury in my mind.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: I'm a red panda on February 09, 2015, 08:52:14 AM
I've never bought a ticket where you had to buy numbers- but a few times in high school I bought scratch offs.

A friend and I once spent $10 on scratch-offs, took the $2 we won, drove to another gas station bought $2, won $5, etc, and kept this up for about 5 hours until finally we didn't win enough to buy something else.

That was LOADS of entertainment for quite cheap.

Of course, gas was 75 cents a gallon.  No way would I joy ride for fun now.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dibbels81 on February 09, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
I approach it like I would approach the pot in a game of poker.  The odds of winning the lottery are 175 million to 1.  However, the current Powerball jackpot is 450 million.  That's over a 2-1 return on risk.  I'd say that's worth a couple bucks.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Louisville on February 09, 2015, 09:58:51 AM
I buy a $1 lottery ticket maybe 2x a year.  For obvious reasons (like the odds of winning), I can't picture spending serious dough on lottery tickets, but I find $1 for 36 hours of daydreaming about what I'd do if I had oodles of money to be a fair deal.
+1
Except it's $2 where I am. Fun to talk about what we'd do with $XXzillion.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: jms493 on February 09, 2015, 10:06:48 AM
I used to when it there was a place in my building at work to buy them.

Now that I am on a budget and value my money much more than I used to I do not. 1:175M chance to win...nah.

I can't even win Playoff football box pools...I quit that as well.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: gatorNic on February 09, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
I do.  I just do the CA lottery not the megamillions or what not. Hey much better odds only 1 in 41,416,353!  Not that 1 in 258,890,850 megamillions crap!  haha!

But I keep it simple and do 1 line, same numbers always, multiple draws.  Its like $8 month.  I look at it as entertainment value. Some people go to the movies (way over $8 for two hours or enjoyment).  I find it just gives me a little enjoyment a month to imagine what I could do with it.  Don't think I am going to win, but 10 mins here and there daydreaming is a good thing.  To each his own.  Certainly not spending $50-$100 on scratchers as I see so many people do. 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: GetItRight on February 09, 2015, 03:21:08 PM
Absolutely not. The lottery is a tax on the poor to benefit the government. If you buy a ticket, evil wins.

Now I have occasionally bought 50/50 tickets,raffles, etc. occasionally from private organizations for causes or groups I support, but those are win/win situations. There's no way to lose in a privately run lottery/raffle/whatever so if you have the urge, gamble with a charity or club you support and enjoy.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Chiron on February 09, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
I approach it like I would approach the pot in a game of poker.  The odds of winning the lottery are 175 million to 1.  However, the current Powerball jackpot is 450 million.  That's over a 2-1 return on risk.  I'd say that's worth a couple bucks.

A 2-1 return on risk is worth much more than a couple bucks investment.  If that were the real return there would be an industry set up solely to purchase lottery tickets.  But you're ignoring a couple things: 1) the "jackpot" is usually not the present cash value - it's the amount that would be paid to the winner over a long period, like 20-25 years (the cash value is usually roughly half that) and 2) the odds that someone else will also win (which are quite high when the jackpots get big and more tickets are sold) and you'll have to split the pot, though you don't get half your investment back.  So if Powerball is currently at $450MM, take half that (present cash value) and factor in the odds that you'll have to split it. You'll probably find it -ev.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Rachelocity on February 09, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
I buy them occasionally - if I am just giving a co-worker a birthday card and not a "real present", this is a fun enclosure.  I also buy them for myself when I feel the urge - maybe 2-3 times a year.  I don't see this as anything other than "play value", and throwing a couple of bucks away on scratch-and-win tickets is pretty benign IMO.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Gen Y Finance Journey on February 09, 2015, 05:14:42 PM
I've never bought a ticket to the lottery proper, but I'll buy a scratcher every now and then for the entertainment value. My very first scratcher a few years back won me $50, and I'm still net positive from that. :)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: irishbear99 on February 09, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
The hubby and I live in a state that doesn't allow the lottery. However, before we moved here, we probably spent about $5/year on lottery tickets when the jackpot got huge. We took it out of our entertainment budget and had fun playing the "what if" game.

I had a coworker once who derisively referred to it as "a tax on stupid people", which, sure, you can look at it that way. But there are so many things that could fit that category: soda, cable tv, oil changes at overpriced service stations...pick a topic.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: JLee on February 09, 2015, 06:11:16 PM
The hubby and I live in a state that doesn't allow the lottery. However, before we moved here, we probably spent about $5/year on lottery tickets when the jackpot got huge. We took it out of our entertainment budget and had fun playing the "what if" game.

I had a coworker once who derisively referred to it as "a tax on stupid people", which, sure, you can look at it that way. But there are so many things that could fit that category: soda, cable tv, oil changes at overpriced service stations...pick a topic.
Yup. The ones who play because they legitimately expect to win sometime, maybe..but the people who are like meh, it's 2 bucks to daydream, can't really fault someone for $2 entertainment.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Migs on February 09, 2015, 06:25:49 PM
I play the lotto every once in a while when the jackpots get really high - just to throw my name in the hat. The only other times I play are usually when I get scratch-offs or lotto tickets as a stocking-stuffer during Christmas.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Timmmy on February 09, 2015, 06:40:17 PM
The lottery is the poor mans retirement plan.  I'm not poor and I already have a retirement plan. 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dibbels81 on February 09, 2015, 06:45:30 PM
I approach it like I would approach the pot in a game of poker.  The odds of winning the lottery are 175 million to 1.  However, the current Powerball jackpot is 450 million.  That's over a 2-1 return on risk.  I'd say that's worth a couple bucks.

A 2-1 return on risk is worth much more than a couple bucks investment.  If that were the real return there would be an industry set up solely to purchase lottery tickets.  But you're ignoring a couple things: 1) the "jackpot" is usually not the present cash value - it's the amount that would be paid to the winner over a long period, like 20-25 years (the cash value is usually roughly half that) and 2) the odds that someone else will also win (which are quite high when the jackpots get big and more tickets are sold) and you'll have to split the pot, though you don't get half your investment back.  So if Powerball is currently at $450MM, take half that (present cash value) and factor in the odds that you'll have to split it. You'll probably find it -ev.

You absolutely just ruined the fun for me.  I'm still buying a ticket, though
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: SaintM on February 09, 2015, 07:21:51 PM
I bought a scratch off ticket when I turned 18. That was all my state had at the time. I also played a nickel slot machine for about an hour. Never gambled or bought a lottery ticket since.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Argyle on February 09, 2015, 07:29:00 PM
I have never bought one.  But I actually do know three people who won big.  One bought an island — that kind of big.  The smallest win of the three was "only" $100,000.  It's more aggravating not winning when you know people who have won and they're not you.  So I keep that aggravation down by not buying a ticket in the first place.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dimitri on February 09, 2015, 07:41:11 PM
I approach it like I would approach the pot in a game of poker.  The odds of winning the lottery are 175 million to 1.  However, the current Powerball jackpot is 450 million.  That's over a 2-1 return on risk.  I'd say that's worth a couple bucks.

A 2-1 return on risk is worth much more than a couple bucks investment.  If that were the real return there would be an industry set up solely to purchase lottery tickets.  But you're ignoring a couple things: 1) the "jackpot" is usually not the present cash value - it's the amount that would be paid to the winner over a long period, like 20-25 years (the cash value is usually roughly half that) and 2) the odds that someone else will also win (which are quite high when the jackpots get big and more tickets are sold) and you'll have to split the pot, though you don't get half your investment back.  So if Powerball is currently at $450MM, take half that (present cash value) and factor in the odds that you'll have to split it. You'll probably find it -ev.

I'm aware of at least one syndicate that attempted to purchase every possible combination.  Mind you, this was a while ago and it wasn't Powerball - they were only trying to buy 7 million possible combinations at $1 apiece to win $27M paid out over 20 years.  But this group saw an opportunity and jumped in with fists full of money.

RICHMOND, Feb. 24— There is a dream common among regular lottery players: to wait until the jackpot reaches an astronomical sum and then to buy every possible number, guaranteeing a winner.

Sure, it would cost millions of dollars. But the payoff would be much richer.

In Virginia this month, one investment group came tantalizingly close to cornering the market on all possible combinations of six numbers from 1 to 44. State lottery officials say that the group bought tickets for 5 million of a possible 7 million combinations, at $1 each, in a lottery with a $27 million jackpot. Only a lack of time prevented the group from buying tickets for the remaining 2 million combinations.

Read more at http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million-to-hedge-bets-in-lottery.html

And if you were curious - they did win.
Read more at http://articles.wdbj7.com/2012-03-30/virginia-lottery_31263333
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: purplish on February 09, 2015, 07:44:48 PM
No, I could never get into the idea of betting/gambling.  It just seems like a waste of time and money... I'd rather just save the money and have it.  Then again I was raised with the idea "The lottery is just an extra tax for the poor".
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: JLee on February 09, 2015, 07:51:28 PM
I approach it like I would approach the pot in a game of poker.  The odds of winning the lottery are 175 million to 1.  However, the current Powerball jackpot is 450 million.  That's over a 2-1 return on risk.  I'd say that's worth a couple bucks.

A 2-1 return on risk is worth much more than a couple bucks investment.  If that were the real return there would be an industry set up solely to purchase lottery tickets.  But you're ignoring a couple things: 1) the "jackpot" is usually not the present cash value - it's the amount that would be paid to the winner over a long period, like 20-25 years (the cash value is usually roughly half that) and 2) the odds that someone else will also win (which are quite high when the jackpots get big and more tickets are sold) and you'll have to split the pot, though you don't get half your investment back.  So if Powerball is currently at $450MM, take half that (present cash value) and factor in the odds that you'll have to split it. You'll probably find it -ev.

I'm aware of at least one syndicate that attempted to purchase every possible combination.  Mind you, this was a while ago and it wasn't Powerball - they were only trying to buy 7 million possible combinations at $1 apiece to win $27M paid out over 20 years.  But this group saw an opportunity and jumped in with fists full of money.

RICHMOND, Feb. 24— There is a dream common among regular lottery players: to wait until the jackpot reaches an astronomical sum and then to buy every possible number, guaranteeing a winner.

Sure, it would cost millions of dollars. But the payoff would be much richer.

In Virginia this month, one investment group came tantalizingly close to cornering the market on all possible combinations of six numbers from 1 to 44. State lottery officials say that the group bought tickets for 5 million of a possible 7 million combinations, at $1 each, in a lottery with a $27 million jackpot. Only a lack of time prevented the group from buying tickets for the remaining 2 million combinations.

Read more at http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million-to-hedge-bets-in-lottery.html

And if you were curious - they did win.
Read more at http://articles.wdbj7.com/2012-03-30/virginia-lottery_31263333
Haha, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: greaper007 on February 09, 2015, 07:53:18 PM
I think the quote is, "A tax on people that don't understand math."
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Jacana on February 09, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
No, never have. My husband does on a very rare occasion. I got 3 scratch-offs for Christmas this year from a grab-bag, and he had to show me how to play them because I was confused. I won 12$, so I guess that's pretty good for a 0$ investment. It provided some excitement for a few minutes.

It's nice to dream about winning big, but if I did have the urge I would play the "win $5000/month for life" versions if they still exist. I would much rather have a guaranteed quiet $5000 a month than win millions, which would mostly go to taxes and my husband's love of shiny new things that go beep, and have everyone ask me for money or pressure me into spending it. Of course, if my husband wins big, mind you, I'm not going to tell him to give it back!
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Primm on February 09, 2015, 10:16:09 PM
Don't buy them, but every now and then (birthdays and Xmas) my MIL gives me a scratchy. I have a rule that whatever I win gets "reinvested" into the next mega-draw lottery. So far I've spent nothing and am about $50 ahead.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on February 09, 2015, 11:00:05 PM
Of course!  It's the high risk, high return portion of my retirement portfolio!!  :-D

Some additional info relative to posts above:

Powerball is $450M right now, cash value is $304.1M (not half).

Odds for grand prize are 1 in 175,223,510.00.  Here are the odds for all of the different prizes http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp (http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp)

Right now, expected value is 304.1/175.2 = $1.74 (only considering grand prize) and ticket costs $2.00.  If you sum the expected value of all the ways to win (9 ways) then the expected value is $2.10.  That's assuming you are the only winner.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Pooperman on February 10, 2015, 05:27:24 AM
I will be buying one scratch off for SOs mother's birthday. She likes them and it'll give her a thrill for 5 minutes. She already has everything anyway. For myself? No. I will accept them as gifts before useless crap and after money and gift cards. Every time I play a scratch off, I expect to lose, so it's not a thrill. Occasionally I'll win $5 or something, but lotteries ain't my thing.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MandyM on February 10, 2015, 06:07:20 AM
This is from a waitbutwhy.com post on large numbers and I really love how it puts the odds into layman's terms:

"A recent Mega Millions lottery had 1-in-175,711,536 odds of winning. To put those chances in perspective, that’s about the number of seconds in six years. So it’s like knowing a hedgehog will sneeze once and only once in the next six years and putting your hard-earned money down on one particular second—say, the 36th second of 2:52am on March 19th, 2017—and only winning if the one sneeze happens exactly at that second."

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/11/1000000-grahams-number.html
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MsPeacock on February 10, 2015, 06:13:25 AM
I am not an expert on lottery - but I think that matches of fewer numbers also pay winnings. For instance, matching 3, 4, and 5 numbers also have payouts. The figures so far have only been for winning the "big" jackpot for matching 6 numbers. I realize the odds of winning anything are still extremely long. The amounts paid for matching fewer numbers also increases as the jackpot grows. Just thought it was worth mentioning if it is going to get all mathy up in here.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: I'm a red panda on February 10, 2015, 06:39:32 AM
I am not an expert on lottery - but I think that matches of fewer numbers also pay winnings. For instance, matching 3, 4, and 5 numbers also have payouts. The figures so far have only been for winning the "big" jackpot for matching 6 numbers. I realize the odds of winning anything are still extremely long. The amounts paid for matching fewer numbers also increases as the jackpot grows. Just thought it was worth mentioning if it is going to get all mathy up in here.

Yes. And it is these smaller matches where people tend to make any money.
There have been a number of mathy groups (student clubs, engineers, etc) who have gamed the system to earn big on many little prizes.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MandyM on February 10, 2015, 06:44:41 AM
I am not an expert on lottery - but I think that matches of fewer numbers also pay winnings. For instance, matching 3, 4, and 5 numbers also have payouts. The figures so far have only been for winning the "big" jackpot for matching 6 numbers. I realize the odds of winning anything are still extremely long. The amounts paid for matching fewer numbers also increases as the jackpot grows. Just thought it was worth mentioning if it is going to get all mathy up in here.

I love when things get mathy:)

I do actually buy a lottery ticket once in a blue moon (probably once every other year).
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Rural on February 10, 2015, 06:47:58 AM
Told my husband I intend to buy one, and one only, if Tesla ever comes out with a decent four-wheel-drive vehicle. I've never bought one yet, so I'll have to get somebody to show me how.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Guesl982374 on February 10, 2015, 07:20:19 AM
A couple times a year (maybe a total of $5 or 10) for the following reasons:

1) To blend in. Its an easy conversation to have with "normal/non-mmm" people or its an easy social thing when people pool money to buy tickets
2) Daydreaming can be fun
3) The people close to me are all well off/hardworking so there wouldn't likely be damaged relationships
4) The losing $5 or $10 doesn't affect any real world goals. If we were earning <$50K you better believe we'd never buy one.

To me, #1 & #2 are worth $5 or 10 a year.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: nobody123 on February 10, 2015, 08:14:21 AM
I throw $1/week into the lottery pool at work.  My thought is that I don't want to be stuck here when everyone else quits!
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: CashFlowTurtle on February 10, 2015, 08:20:17 AM
only with credit cards, because that's not real money.


(fyi, this is meant as a joke)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: minimustache1985 on February 10, 2015, 08:40:26 AM
If a group of people is pooling for tickets at work I'll throw in a dollar- it's worth the entertainment of us all chatting about what we'd do with our "share" if any of the tickets won.  That only happens maybe twice a year when the powerball gets sky high and someone is willing to wait in line for tickets (not many places to get them in these parts), if it was a more routine occurrence I would decline.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: I'm a red panda on February 10, 2015, 08:58:29 AM
I throw $1/week into the lottery pool at work.  My thought is that I don't want to be stuck here when everyone else quits!

A workplace near me had a group of 20 win 261 million.  IIRC, they actually voted amongst themselves to give a small share to the one guy they worked with who never bought a ticket.  But that might have been another lottery story...  Most of the group then left work, though I think a few said they were staying.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MillenialMustache on February 10, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
I bought one the day I turned 18 because cigarettes seemed worse. None since then.

I was at my in-law's home (not financially well-off) and they decided to buy all of us (six people) a powerball ticket. Guess whose ticket won $7? Mine. I felt bad, since I know we have the most money of anyone. I really don't want to play and never want to win the lottery. Too many problems to come from it.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: I'm a red panda on February 10, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
I bought one the day I turned 18 because cigarettes seemed worse. None since then.

I was at my in-law's home (not financially well-off) and they decided to buy all of us (six people) a powerball ticket. Guess whose ticket won $7? Mine. I felt bad, since I know we have the most money of anyone. I really don't want to play and never want to win the lottery. Too many problems to come from it.

You probably don't need to feel bad about $7.  Maybe if it was $7,000 or something.  But I don't think $7 is going to make the difference for almost anyone.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Daisy on February 10, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
I used to play the Florida Lotto big jackpot, like others here, maybe once or twice a year if I thought about it while at the gas station. It seemed harmless to spend a few dollars a year for this.

However, this year being possibly my final stretch towards FIRE and all and knowing I just need that little bit to get me over, I somehow came across the idea to check out the other Florida lottery games.

I saw that their Fantasy 5 game has much better odds: 1:375,000 for Fantasy 5 jackpot versus 1:22,000,000 for the regular Lotto jackpot. The winning prize for the Fantasy 5 is about $250,000 usually versus the Lotto at millions.

So then I put my analytical hat on and realized that, even though remote still, the odds for winning the Fantasy 5 were much greater than the Lotto...and, I sure know what I'd do with $250,000 versus not knowing how to handle a $13 million prize. $250,000 is totally manageable and I wouldn't even have to tell anyone I won it.

So I have been trying a little experiment the past few months by buying a ticket maybe every other day. I can easily walk across the street from work to buy one during a break.

They also have this EZmatch option where you pay an additional $1 per ticket and you have a chance to instantly win from $2-$500. The odds for winning this are more like 1:4. Actually pretty good odds. This past month I decided to buy all of them as Fantasy 5 + EZmatch to see what the results were. Well, I ended up evening out for the month. I paid $33 in tickets and won $34 in a combination of EZmatch wins (some $2 wins and one $10 win), in addition to a free ticket for getting 2 numbers every few purchases. The 1:4 odds are pretty spot on.

So I came out $1 ahead for the month, while getting about 15-20 chances to win $250,000. The most I've won in one ticket purchase so far is $10 for getting 3 numbers matched.

Kind of harmless so far...so the experiment continues.

I won't go back to playing the huge Lotto pools. The odds are too low. And in the 1:22,000,000 chance that I'd win, I'd have no idea how to handle $13 million.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: libertarian4321 on February 12, 2015, 04:54:02 AM
No, I do not pay the Idiot Tax, er, "play" the lottery.

That's the problem with being good at math, you lose out on the joys of voluntarily tossing your money to the state, er, playing the lottery.

Actually, that's not true.  I bought a couple of tickets in ~1992.  It was a peer pressure thing.  I lost, as did the guy who convinced me to "play" the lottery, as will you and the millions of other suckers who "play" the lottery.  I would have been better off spending that $2 on a skin mag or a bottle of malt liquor.


Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Debtless in Texas on February 12, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
Nope, that is the stupid tax. I have paid enough of that in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dalmuti on February 12, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
Of course!  It's the high risk, high return portion of my retirement portfolio!!  :-D


Obviously you meant this as a joke, but it's actually pretty close to my reasons for buying a ticket about once a year when the jackpot gets big.  I (like most people) have some temptation toward the get-rich-quick mindset.  I want to stay true to my get-rich-slow plan of living below my means and investing in index funds.  I find that "scratching the itch" by blowing a dollar on Mega Millions every once in awhile makes it much easier to fight off any temptation to put real money into options or the neighbor's startup.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: JLee on February 12, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
I won $2!*





*I didn't buy a ticket and the numbers I would have picked didn't come up. :P
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: FarmerPete on February 12, 2015, 02:28:06 PM
Hell nos.  I'd rather take my odds betting on black.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: robbyho on February 18, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
I find it funny and surprising that even among this ultra reasonable crowd, there are still people who play the lotto "only when the jackpot gets big". Because obviously 100 Million just wouldn't be enough, I'm holding off for $350 Million.

So let's say you do win, do you take the cash lump sum (at a discount) or take the annuity?

Most people take the lump sum.

http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_stories.asp


Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: robbyho on February 18, 2015, 02:46:58 PM
Here is a mustachian-esque write up on lotto:

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-when-math-says-you-should-start-to-care-about-powerball-2013-9

From the conclusion:

1.The expected value for the cash-up front Powerball winnings is always negative. It will never make sense to take the money up front, whether you believe the linear model or the polynomial model.

 
2.The expected value for the annuity, however, is break-even when the jackpot exceeds $345 million in the linear participation model and $380 million in the polynomial model. Since the polynomial model seems more accurate at higher jackpots, go with that one.


3.Taxes will probably mean that it is never profitable or sensible to play the lottery. So if you do play, try to minimize them.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-when-math-says-you-should-start-to-care-about-powerball-2013-9#ixzz3S8T87XUN
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: hodedofome on February 18, 2015, 03:56:45 PM
Was just about to post that article ^^^

That's about the only time I ever play, when the ticket is worth more than the price I'm paying for it. I'd put as much as legally possible into a private foundation (save on taxes), then each year pile more into the foundation until it's all in there. I'd give it all away and tell nobody that I'd won. If anybody asks where I got all that money, I'd say I made a few good trades (which is not lying). I'm a stock trader anyways so they wouldn't know any better.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Pooperman on February 18, 2015, 04:11:52 PM
I thought about what I'd do if I won more money than I'd spend in a lifetime. I'd give my parents and my fiancée's parents enough to retire on (5 million each). The rest into the market as per normal (Betterment office tour anyone?). I'd still walk into work the next day, even though I wouldn't need my job anymore, however, I'd learn the skills I want to learn and be more forceful about my wants than I am now. Probably work a couple years then buy a house somewhere nice and travel a lot (cruise around the world anyone?). Thing is, I don't have to buy a ticket. If either of our parents won, they'd give us more than enough to be set for life. I'm playing without playing.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: ShaneD on February 18, 2015, 04:31:46 PM
A former co-worker often made comments on how she should play the lottery. One day when she mentioned it again, I asked her if she was taking advantage of the company's 401k match, then helped her understand index funds. From then on, she stopped making lottery comments and started asking about retirement vehicles. :)

Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: johnny847 on February 18, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
A former co-worker often made comments on how she should play the lottery. One day when she mentioned it again, I asked her if she was taking advantage of the company's 401k match, then helped her understand index funds. From then on, she stopped making lottery comments and started asking about retirement vehicles. :)
*High five!*
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: ShaneD on February 18, 2015, 05:50:43 PM
A former co-worker often made comments on how she should play the lottery. One day when she mentioned it again, I asked her if she was taking advantage of the company's 401k match, then helped her understand index funds. From then on, she stopped making lottery comments and started asking about retirement vehicles. :)
*High five!*

:D
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: minority_finance_mo on February 18, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Hell no. I pay enough taxes without tacking on the stupidity tax.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: kathrynd on February 18, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
We play occasionally..have won a few small prizes.

In Canada and Australia, our winnings are tax free :)

Co-worker won $230k a few years back.
He and his wife found out on their way to work.
They decided since they were almost there, they may continue working for the day.
It wasn't enough to retire on.
...well, if I had won the money, it would have been enough for me, because of what I would have done with it..

He is still working..he is about 60 now.

Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Jags4186 on February 19, 2015, 04:22:17 PM
I play 6 times a week to the tune of $8/wk, $416/yr.  I might win $100-$150/yr back.

At $300/yr net, over 20 years at 8% that's $15k. Not enough to change my life towards the negative...but hey...every week someone wins a few million bucks. I know it will likely never be me, but nothing can change my life so quickly and easily than the lottery.  And hey if it doesn't work out...I always have my 50%+ savings rate to fall back on.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: libertarian4321 on March 12, 2015, 04:56:41 AM
I play 6 times a week to the tune of $8/wk, $416/yr.  I might win $100-$150/yr back.

At $300/yr net, over 20 years at 8% that's $15k. Not enough to change my life towards the negative...but hey...every week someone wins a few million bucks. I know it will likely never be me, but nothing can change my life so quickly and easily than the lottery.  And hey if it doesn't work out...I always have my 50%+ savings rate to fall back on.

You could just light a match to those dollar bills you spend on the lottery.

At least that way, you'll get some heat value out of them, rather than just wasting them.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: jeromedawg on March 12, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Haha my wife has fallen victim a couple times at her work, where they do pools. At most I think she's put in a few bucks or so. And of course, nobody won a thing LOL.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MoneyCat on March 12, 2015, 03:20:39 PM
Why waste money on a pipe dream of striking it rich when you could invest the money and guarantee wealth?
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Jags4186 on March 12, 2015, 04:30:40 PM

I play 6 times a week to the tune of $8/wk, $416/yr.  I might win $100-$150/yr back.

At $300/yr net, over 20 years at 8% that's $15k. Not enough to change my life towards the negative...but hey...every week someone wins a few million bucks. I know it will likely never be me, but nothing can change my life so quickly and easily than the lottery.  And hey if it doesn't work out...I always have my 50%+ savings rate to fall back on.

You could just light a match to those dollar bills you spend on the lottery.

At least that way, you'll get some heat value out of them, rather than just wasting them.

You could say that about most anything people spend money on!  $300/yr vice...could be worse.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: HappyMargo on March 13, 2015, 04:54:33 AM
I throw $1/week into the lottery pool at work.  My thought is that I don't want to be stuck here when everyone else quits!

This.
Some coworkers just started a pool this week for Saturday's weekly drawing. I toss in my buck in order to join the conversation & not be the only one left behind when the group "calls in rich."  ;-)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: pancakes on March 13, 2015, 05:23:05 AM
I buy a charity lottery ticket every year. The profits go towards a good cause and there is a 1/100 000 chance of winning the top prize (over $1M) and a 1/25 chance of winning something (though probably less than the ticket price haha).

Occasionally (once every couple of years) when there is a huge jackpot I buy a ticket in the regular lotto. A ticket is maybe $7 and I'd say I get $7 worth of entertainment dreaming about what I would do with $200M. Once I won $18!...
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: moustacheverte on March 13, 2015, 05:39:30 AM
What about entering contests? There are lots of websites cataloguing open contests at any given time and with LastPass' form autofill + a fake facebook account (contests will require an FB account and will spam the shit out of it), it takes about 30 secs to apply for a contest. Do this 30 minutes a day and you've entered 50+ contests with better odds than lottery. You don't win millions but you'd be surprised how many contests pay cheques or trips worth thousands and sometimes tens of thousands.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: KungfuRabbit on March 13, 2015, 05:57:20 AM
i spend maybe $5 a year on lottery tickets.  before you face punch me for wasting $5 a year, i will argue its worth it. 

what i am buying is 24 hours worth of day dreaming.  are you having a bad day and want to research which private island you are going to buy?  buy a lottery ticket.  $1 is a steal for 24 hours of "entertainment". 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: HazelStone on March 13, 2015, 06:27:32 AM
I throw $1/week into the lottery pool at work.  My thought is that I don't want to be stuck here when everyone else quits!

This.
Some coworkers just started a pool this week for Saturday's weekly drawing. I toss in my buck in order to join the conversation & not be the only one left behind when the group "calls in rich."  ;-)

My team does a pool when the jackpot gets silly high. While I like my job and this office, I would be kicking myself if I skipped the pool and the group won. And, yes, it's a way to fit in slightly, since I don't give a crap about sports and by extension, any sort of football pool, etc. I would rather we paid the extra buck per ticket to get the "multiplier" on any secondary winnings (buying fewer tickets), but the others don't see it my way. $100K or $200K apiece if we matched 5 out of 6 is nothing to sneeze at, in any case...

Occasionally I play the state lotto, since the odds are better than the multi-state lottos. I live in a state that doesn't require publishing winners' identities. The $1-$2million that the state jackpot usually ranges is enough to buy a nice house outright and still have a good gob of money to invest. :P
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: GuitarStv on March 13, 2015, 06:39:18 AM
No.  If I'm going to waste money, I'd prefer to waste it on blow and hookers.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: boarder42 on March 13, 2015, 06:55:47 AM
i used to before MMM.  My dad plays powerball and mega millions and if he wins i'll be included on his ticket ... so in a round about way i guess i do.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: MandalayVA on March 13, 2015, 07:01:04 AM
I'm another that tosses a buck or two into the office pool when Mega Millions or Powerball gets up there.  Like many I don't want to be left with all the work when everyone quits.  :D

When I was in my twenties and working in New York once the New York lottery got super-high for the time, about forty million.  On my way home I stopped to get a ticket; I remember the line at the newsstand.  Later that night I turned on the TV to hear the numbers called.  First number, cool, I've got it.  Second number, cool, I've got that too.  Third number--oh my God, I've got it.  Fourth number--HOLY SHIT I'VE GOT IT!!!!  I was literally hyperventilating at this point.  Fortunately for my sanity I didn't have the fifth or sixth number.  I remembered someone saying once that a payout was given if you had four numbers, so I went back to the newsstand the next day.  The guy looked at the ticket and gave me a claim ticket and a form to fill out to send to the NYL.  About a week later I got a check for $1200.  I figured I blew my lottery luck wad and it was decades before I bought another ticket.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kaspian on March 13, 2015, 09:45:10 AM
I quit the $2/week lottery pool at work 3 years ago when I heard the statistic that you have a better chance of correctly guessing a random American stranger's first and last name, full street address, city, and state than you do of winning. 

You also have a much better chance of winning "Survivor" than you do the lottery.  So get those audition tapes in people!!

And here's another one:  You have a greater chance of getting somehow killed going to the store to buy the lottery ticket than you do of winning the jackpot.  So, if you believe in odds, it's best just to stay home.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: M2 pilot on March 13, 2015, 05:22:48 PM
What about entering contests? There are lots of websites cataloguing open contests at any given time and with LastPass' form autofill + a fake facebook account (contests will require an FB account and will spam the shit out of it), it takes about 30 secs to apply for a contest. Do this 30 minutes a day and you've entered 50+ contests with better odds than lottery. You don't win millions but you'd be surprised how many contests pay cheques or trips worth thousands and sometimes tens of thousands.

I do this.  I spend around 20-30 minutes a day.  In the past 4 years the significant prizes I've won have been a trip for 4 to Spacecamp in Huntsville,AL. I took the Grandson & his parents, let them do the Spacecamp experience & I explored the honkytonks & resturants for the weekend.  Trip for 4 to Orlando + $500 prepaid Visa.  A $1000 prepaid Visa card. A 2011 Land Rover Range Rover HSE Sport (MSRP $87K).  There are several websites for entering contests.  The best I've found is sweepstakes.com. 

I also will buy a raffle ticket now & then if it's to benefit an organization I can get behind, has a prize I'd really like to have, & is better than a 50:50 raffle.  I won a new BMW M235i 6 weeks ago from BMWCCA Foundation. I took the cash option & am applying it to a very un-mustachian new car.

I probably spend $100 a year on lottery tickets.  Nothing good to report from them.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Grateful Stache on March 13, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
You can't win if you don't play.

I've got a buck or two to play once a month. Why not?
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kaspian on March 16, 2015, 10:51:15 AM
You can't win if you don't play.

I actually believe that to be one of the greatest brainwash phrases ever perpetuated on a society.  Right up there in the platitude list with "there's no 'I' in team", "you are what you eat",  "you only live once (YOLO)", and "everything happens for a reason".
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Jags4186 on March 16, 2015, 02:38:57 PM

You can't win if you don't play.

I actually believe that to be one of the greatest brainwash phrases ever perpetuated on a society.  Right up there in the platitude list with "there's no 'I' in team", "you are what you eat",  "you only live once (YOLO)", and "everything happens for a reason".

Dean Smith told Michael Jordan that there was no "I" in team.

Jordan replied "no, but there is in 'win'"
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on March 16, 2015, 05:42:14 PM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Grateful Stache on March 16, 2015, 08:51:10 PM
You can't win if you don't play.

I actually believe that to be one of the greatest brainwash phrases ever perpetuated on a society.  Right up there in the platitude list with "there's no 'I' in team", "you are what you eat",  "you only live once (YOLO)", and "everything happens for a reason".

To each their own.

(also on your list, I'm assuming)

Cheers,

 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: GuitarStv on March 19, 2015, 09:34:33 AM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.

It's also the reason I only eat good looking people.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kaspian on March 19, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.

It's also the reason I only eat good looking people.

^^ Nice!!!  As for it being "simple physics", I have never seen anyone eat celery and then turn into celery.  Also, as for "conservation of mass", I've never seen anyone get fat from eating beach sand.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on March 19, 2015, 08:12:18 PM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.

It's also the reason I only eat good looking people.

^^ Nice!!!  As for it being "simple physics", I have never seen anyone eat celery and then turn into celery.  Also, as for "conservation of mass", I've never seen anyone get fat from eating beach sand.

Turning into celery would be a pretty neat trick!  :-D  I was thinking more of the constituents of celery - water, vitamin K, molybdenum, folate, potassium, dietary fiber, manganese, etc.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: The Fake Cheap on March 19, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
I don't do a lot of gambling and very, very rarely buy a lotto ticket on my own.  However what I did do was join the lotto pool at work, but I did it in a bit of a different way.  What I did is I went in half with another person.  So our group pays $2/week per member, so I have a side agreement with so and so and I give her $1/week.  We split any prizes 50/50.  This is also just an agreement (we have a signed agreement and emails) between me and my co worker, so there is no extra work involved for the organizer of the pool.  So if my pool wins, and the share is 500K each, my share would be 250K.  My thoughts were at $2/week is over $100/year is a lot to pay for a slim chance at winning anything, but I can stomach the $52 a year. 
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: GuitarStv on March 20, 2015, 06:20:37 AM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.

It's also the reason I only eat good looking people.

^^ Nice!!!  As for it being "simple physics", I have never seen anyone eat celery and then turn into celery.  Also, as for "conservation of mass", I've never seen anyone get fat from eating beach sand.

Turning into celery would be a pretty neat trick!  :-D  I was thinking more of the constituents of celery - water, vitamin K, molybdenum, folate, potassium, dietary fiber, manganese, etc.

 . . . and this logic shows why eating other people constitutes the best possible diet anyone could ever hope to have.  It is a fact that people contain 100% of the chemicals that make up people.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kaspian on March 20, 2015, 12:40:21 PM
"You are what you eat" isn't a platitude.  It's conservation of energy and mass, etc.  Simple physics.

It's also the reason I only eat good looking people.

^^ Nice!!!  As for it being "simple physics", I have never seen anyone eat celery and then turn into celery.  Also, as for "conservation of mass", I've never seen anyone get fat from eating beach sand.

Turning into celery would be a pretty neat trick!  :-D  I was thinking more of the constituents of celery - water, vitamin K, molybdenum, folate, potassium, dietary fiber, manganese, etc.

 . . . and this logic shows why eating other people constitutes the best possible diet anyone could ever hope to have.  It is a fact that people contain 100% of the chemicals that make up people.

Can we henceforth call it "cannibalism" in the thread?  This whole "eating" good looking people terminology is freaking me out a little bit.  ;-)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: dunhamjr on March 20, 2015, 12:41:23 PM
nope.

and i dont bet on sports. or really gamble either.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: math-ya on March 21, 2015, 06:03:55 PM
I've heard the lottery described as a tax for the stupid. When I get tempted to buy a ticket, I just go enter a bunch of online giveaways for free instead.  I have a real chance at winning those
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Workinghard on March 23, 2015, 11:40:02 AM
Well, I just bought five tickets. Actually my husband did. I have a patient whose husband recently died. Today was his birthday. He liked to gamble, so I bought some lottery tickets and gave them to her in his memory.  Yes, I know it was a waste of money but I don't regret it.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on March 23, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Well, I just bought five tickets. Actually my husband did. I have a patient whose husband recently died. Today was his birthday. He liked to gamble, so I bought some lottery tickets and gave them to her in his memory.  Yes, I know it was a waste of money but I don't regret it.

You'll regret it if one of them is the winning ticket!!!! :-D  Just kidding, that was a very nice thing to do.  :-)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Workinghard on March 24, 2015, 02:13:58 AM
Well, I just bought five tickets. Actually my husband did. I have a patient whose husband recently died. Today was his birthday. He liked to gamble, so I bought some lottery tickets and gave them to her in his memory.  Yes, I know it was a waste of money but I don't regret it.

You'll regret it if one of them is the winning ticket!!!! :-D  Just kidding, that was a very nice thing to do.  :-)

Haha. If she wins something, it's hers! We still have the ability to work and save. I did make her cry though, so I'm not sure how nice it was :P
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on April 02, 2015, 10:12:01 AM
British couple win a million in lottery for 2nd time (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-couple-win-a-million-in-lottery-for-2nd-time/ar-AAajed1)

"Lottery operator Camelot said Wednesday the couple beat odds of 283-billion-to-1."
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Kaspian on April 02, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
British couple win a million in lottery for 2nd time (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-couple-win-a-million-in-lottery-for-2nd-time/ar-AAajed1)

"Lottery operator Camelot said Wednesday the couple beat odds of 283-billion-to-1."

Here's the thing with lotteries:  The odds somebody will win is 100%.  As are the odds that somebody will get eaten by a shark, somebody will die in a plane crash, somebody will find a huge chunk of gold ore, or somebody will get killed by a tiger.

The odds of the earth being destroyed by an asteroid are also 100%.

"Your odds of dying in an asteroid impact are about one in 700,000....  That’s about the same chance you have of dying in a flood or a fireworks accident over your lifetime. " 
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/mysteries_of_the_universe/2014/02/anniversary_of_chelyabinsk_asteroid_impact_we_need_to_test_a_deflector_mission.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/mysteries_of_the_universe/2014/02/anniversary_of_chelyabinsk_asteroid_impact_we_need_to_test_a_deflector_mission.html)

So, more likely I get smashed by some interstellar debris than win.  Better buy a ticket, better buy a helmet too.


Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Dicey on April 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
"I'm not poor and I already have a retirement plan. "
Which is why I buy one once in a blue moon. As in less than once a year. I'm FIRE, so occasionally I go with the "'What the hell?' is always the right answer" theory. Since I buy gas and groceries at Costco and rarely set foot in a regular grocery or convenience store, I just never think about buying them. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: teadirt on April 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
One of my math professors in college did his research in probability and analysis. He told the class that (at least in our state) IF you're going to gamble, the best odds you have with gambling is a keno machine.

The worst? Lotto tickets :)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: fossilhog on April 02, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Go to jail, do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Greed is the enemy in our brains. MMM is all about combating that with reason and logic, the real money makers.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Doulos on April 02, 2015, 06:55:54 PM
Dont buy into the lottery.  The lottery is even called a poor tax.  It is a way for the government to tax the poor out of what little money they do not have.
http://www.businessinsider.com/lottery-is-a-tax-on-the-poor-2012-4
http://www.npr.org/2014/07/16/332015825/lotteries-take-in-billions-often-attract-the-poor

If you like excitement of betting...
Vacation in Vegas.
Consider the costs all expenses for entertainment; not gambling.

Nothing wrong with saving up for a vacation and enjoying yourself.  Even if that involves you blowing hundreds on slots, blackjack, poker, etc.

You cannot go into this kind of thing thinking you could/will win, nor that winning big would even be good for you.
Most people that win big get crushed under the weight of reality and gambling addictions.
Please dont do that kind of thing to yourself.

You got to go into that kind of thing looking at every bet as a small investment in stocks you know have a -2% return.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on April 02, 2015, 08:23:53 PM
The lottery is hazardous to your health!!!

Texas man kills girlfriend, self after fight over $500 lottery scratch-off: cops (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-man-kills-beau-500-lottery-ticket-cops-article-1.2169288)

Chicago man who won $1 million lottery was killed by cyanide poisoning: medical examiner  (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lotto-winner-poisoned-death-article-1.1235466)

Missing 86-year-old lottery winner found stabbed to death (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/28018224/missing-86-year-old-lottery-winner-found-stabbed-to-death)

And then there were 300 people who won $1M or more in the lottery in 2013 and didn't claim it!!!  They better not find out; they might have a heart attack!

The 300 missing lottery millionaires (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/09/pf/unclaimed-lottery-winners/)
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: a1smith on April 02, 2015, 08:28:31 PM
British couple win a million in lottery for 2nd time (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-couple-win-a-million-in-lottery-for-2nd-time/ar-AAajed1)

"Lottery operator Camelot said Wednesday the couple beat odds of 283-billion-to-1."

Here's the thing with lotteries:  The odds somebody will win is 100%.  As are the odds that somebody will get eaten by a shark, somebody will die in a plane crash, somebody will find a huge chunk of gold ore, or somebody will get killed by a tiger.

The odds of the earth being destroyed by an asteroid are also 100%.

"Your odds of dying in an asteroid impact are about one in 700,000....  That’s about the same chance you have of dying in a flood or a fireworks accident over your lifetime. " 
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/mysteries_of_the_universe/2014/02/anniversary_of_chelyabinsk_asteroid_impact_we_need_to_test_a_deflector_mission.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/mysteries_of_the_universe/2014/02/anniversary_of_chelyabinsk_asteroid_impact_we_need_to_test_a_deflector_mission.html)

So, more likely I get smashed by some interstellar debris than win.  Better buy a ticket, better buy a helmet too.

This article had a different estimate for getting killed by an asteroid:

Odds of dying from an asteroid strike: 1 in 74,817,414 (http://www.cnet.com/news/odds-of-dying-from-an-asteroid-strike-1-in-74817414/)

I wonder why the two estimates differ by two orders of magnitude.  I think it is hilarious that this estimate has 8 significant figures!!  I think they need to go back and reread that chapter in their college textbook.
Title: Re: Do You Buy Lottery Tickets
Post by: Cathy on April 03, 2015, 03:54:44 PM
The "lotto as a tax on the poor" thing is kind of funny, because there's a Canadian case on that exact topic.

In 1969, lotteries were categorically illegal in Canada, pursuant to the federal Criminal Code.

In Montreal v. Quebec, [1970] SCR 332, 1969 CanLII 121 (http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1969/1969canlii121/1969canlii121.html), the Supreme Court of Canada considered the legality of a "voluntary tax" that existed in Montreal. The "voluntary tax" allowed residents of Montreal to opt in to paying an additional tax of $2 per month to the City of Montreal and exchange, they would be entered into a draw to win a grand prize of up to $100,000 in silver, but the prize would only be awarded if the prospective winner could answer several civics questions. The City of Montreal argued that the voluntary tax was a valid exercise of the city's taxation powers, and was not in fact a criminal lottery. However, the Supreme Court was not impressed with the scheme and ruled that it was a criminal lottery.