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Re: DIY tooth extraction fr my cat
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2014, 08:11:49 AM »
Tooth extraction for a cat is not that expensive... If you have pets, there will be times that you have to spend money on them.

Everybody keeps bringing this up, but OP has repeatedly stated that money is not the issue. He's FI and still working so he certainly has enough.

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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2014, 08:20:18 AM »
Tooth extraction for a cat is not that expensive... If you have pets, there will be times that you have to spend money on them.

Everybody keeps bringing this up, but OP has repeatedly stated that money is not the issue. He's FI and still working so he certainly has enough.

He wrote that cost was a "secondary consideration" but still mentioned the expenses involved, which provoked my response and, I believe, some others' as well.  If he thinks he can do the extraction himself, more power to him. 

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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2014, 09:19:38 AM »
It's pretty common to shoot pets to put them down, I thought. This is what you do if you are a farmer/hunter/etc.

Just because my city self has never shot a gun (unless beebee guns at girl scout count) doesn't mean someone with gun skills can't do it ethically.

Anyway, my opinion about pets is that once they reach a certain age, you put them down if the alternative is anything invasive. If they are already declining, then recovery from surgery is going to be rough. I don't know much about cats so I can't speak to what you should do, specifically. I would probably put the cat down if the antibiotics don't work, based has been posted in this thread.

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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2014, 10:20:16 AM »
The point isn't really about whether or not putting down a cat by gunshot or by a vet's needle is better. Me?  I prefer the latter as I have zero interest in shooting anything.

The point is that the OP doesn't know if his cat should be euthanized.  The point is that he can and is able to consult a vet on the matter--whether the vet comes to the cat or vice-versa.  Surely this is not a difficult point to grasp?  If the vet determines the cat would be better euthanized, then more power to the OP should he take on the responsibility himself.

And the argument that pets are taken away and put down away from their owners is a strawman.  There are plenty of vets who will euthanize your pet in your presence.  They will even come to your home to do it so your pet is its own environment.

Again, through it all, the impression that comes across is that the OP fears he will pay for a vet visit (whether to the home or to the office) and be told the cat should be euthanized.  And think geez, I could have saved the $50-100 and just shot the cat.  If the OP is so sure euthanization is the best course of action for his cat, then there's not much more to discuss.  Just spare us it's not really about the money.  We often proudly admit it's about the money on numerous topics here--but in this post, there's a lot of tip-toeing...

There's no hard and fast rule on how each of us deals with our pets' health.  But if you post it on a public board, be prepared to hear some opinions.  $10K to give your cancer-ridden cat 3 more months on earth?  Yeah, as much as I love my cats--common sense tells me I would probably opt not to use money for that purpose.  A couple of hundred dollars (that I can easily afford) for an infected tooth?  How soon can I make the appointment?  My common sense tells me I shouldn't opt for putting my cat down without consulting a vet--over a toothache.  YMMV.

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Re: DIY tooth extraction fr my cat
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2014, 10:50:23 AM »
My 11 year old cat just had 5 teeth extracted.  Take him to the vet to have that done.  It wasn't that expensive, but more importantly, its not necessarily a simple procedure.  Depending on the tooth (e.g. canines), the roots are very deep and its exceptionally painful.  Additionally, if the tooth is truly decayed there is the potential for breakage and any remaining material will almost certainly become infected.   If your cat is otherwise healthy, the vet isn't going to recommend you euthanize him.  If there are other issues and the cat isn't healthy, then you'll be able to make an informed decision about treatment options moving forward.   

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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2014, 11:02:21 AM »
Ahh....a can of tuna and a 22 huh?   Dude.....you're a complete tool!   I'm assuming youre asking because you don't want to spend the money since it will alter your FIRE plans?    This is about the most anti-mushracian thing I can think of.   

+ 1    A few years ago, I had to put down our cat of almost 20 years.  I think it cost me $50, maybe?  I held him in my lap and stroked him and talked to him while the vet injected him.  He had a peaceful death in my arms and that was priceless.  I don't remember exactly what it cost but it wasn't expensive.  We brought him home in cardboard coffin and buried him in the back yard under the azaleas where he used to roll in the dirt.

Another point to consider . . . depending on where you live (kind of neighborhood/ ordinances), discharging a firearm may be a crime.
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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2014, 11:05:59 AM »
To the OP: good luck with the decision, however it goes.

I have a dog who's getting close to the "put him down?" decision point.  This thread reinforces my belief that I surely won't ask what anyone outside of my family thinks about it.. nor do I give a rat's ass about unsolicited advice. 

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Re: DIY tooth extraction fr my cat
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2014, 11:33:24 AM »
Hey, I read the other threads, and I don't think anyone has suggested this yet. You could try calling around, asking vets to give you a prescription for kitty Valium to give her BEFORE you take her in. They metabolize it pretty fast (at least my guy does) but it really does put them into a pleasantly drugged state. I had some left over from a urethra obstruction, and I give it to him whenever I have to do something that stresses him out (most recently a hair cut). He turns into affectionate jelly for about 45 minutes, and doesn't care what happens to him at all. Give it, wait till she starts interacting with blank space, then tuck her into the carrier and let her trip while you drive to the vet.

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« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2014, 12:58:21 PM »
Sometimes it's not getting them in the carrier, but the drip itself that can be fairly traumatic for the animal.   

My cat LOVES his carrier, and hangs out in it often, and stores his cat toys in there.   But when we close him in and take him out to the car, once it starts moving he gets really worked up. 

Mostly, I just talk to him, keep some fingers in the carrier so he can rub against my hand and tell him to suck it up, but just getting an animal comfortable with a carrier/crate won't fix all the other stresses the trip can cause. 

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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2014, 02:02:11 PM »
Thanks everybody,

I did find a mobile vet who is coming to have a look.. He said using the penicillin is the right thing to do (I discovered kitty had a badly swollen jaw when we came back from vacation) and she was mostly outside during that time.

So I started her on the antibiotic as soon as I was aware. She is responding to the antibiotic and the swelling is going down some.

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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2014, 02:06:17 PM »
Thanks everybody,

I did find a mobile vet who is coming to have a look.. He said using the penicillin is the right thing to do (I discovered kitty had a badly swollen jaw when we came back from vacation) and she was mostly outside during that time.

So I started her on the antibiotic as soon as I was aware. She is responding to the antibiotic and the swelling is going down some.

Frank


Good news there. Do keep us posted on how she's doing.

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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2014, 02:09:00 PM »
Thanks everybody,

I did find a mobile vet who is coming to have a look.. He said using the penicillin is the right thing to do (I discovered kitty had a badly swollen jaw when we came back from vacation) and she was mostly outside during that time.

So I started her on the antibiotic as soon as I was aware. She is responding to the antibiotic and the swelling is going down some.

Frank

Glad to hear it--good luck to you and the beast!

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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2014, 04:48:41 PM »
Please take your cat to the vet instantly and pay whatever money it costs like a responsible pet owner. No amount of money saved is worth it not giving your pet the best care they deserve. If you really mind then please simply do not get a pet in future. Do you really think that being FIRE sooner is worth it? I would caution you against the fact that you may someday regret your actions and that will stay with you for your entire life and no amount of money will fix that. Also, fwiw, I've had to let my one of my first cats go after only a year due to kidney failure. It was heartbreaking but in retrospect I am glad I was there with him and saw him gently doze off as if going to sleep. He was relaxed and while I can still shed a few tears over the memory I take solace in the fact that the end of his suffering was at least peaceful and with dignity.

Are you serious?!? It's a 17 year old cat whom is already sick. The cat may have 6 months to live anyhow, and you suggest "pay whatever it costs..."
Is this MMM or PETA?

It's nuts to bring a 17 yr old cat to a vet to, which would very likely amount to enough stress in its own right to kill it, "pay whatever it costs" to maybe extend its life by a couple months?

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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2014, 04:50:15 PM »
Tooth extraction for a cat is not that expensive... If you have pets, there will be times that you have to spend money on them.

Everybody keeps bringing this up, but OP has repeatedly stated that money is not the issue. He's FI and still working so he certainly has enough.

Eh, this changes things a bit. If you're FI and still working, pony up cheapass.
What else are you doing with all that extra money?

Give the cat a sedative and it will be find for the trip.

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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2014, 05:23:09 PM »
Nice reversal their Okasha..:)

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Re: DIY tooth extraction fr my cat
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2014, 07:19:46 AM »
Are you serious?!? It's a 17 year old cat whom is already sick. The cat may have 6 months to live anyhow, and you suggest "pay whatever it costs..."
Is this MMM or PETA?

It's nuts to bring a 17 yr old cat to a vet to, which would very likely amount to enough stress in its own right to kill it, "pay whatever it costs" to maybe extend its life by a couple months?

Eh, this changes things a bit. If you're FI and still working, pony up cheapass.
What else are you doing with all that extra money?

Give the cat a sedative and it will be find for the trip.
I'm glad this thread ended on Magnum PI giving conflicting advice.   Epic Forum Fail :)  Glad things seem to have worked out OK in the real world, despite the interwebs best efforts to kill the cat...  Reminds me of Schrodinger's cat, is the cat we have never seen alive or dead???  Good luck Frank!
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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2014, 02:17:52 PM »
I don't know what the best route would have been for you, but here are some things to think about.

If you choose to use the 22 method to dispatch now or in the future, remember that in some jurisdictions that can be considered animal cruelty and you can be charged criminally.  I know this from first hand experience after my dogs tore into a feral cat but didn't finish the job.  There was no saving the cat, broken neck, bleeding from the nose and mouth, and all the other gory details.  I used a 9mm to end the creature's suffering and was promptly reported to the local police.  Fortunately for me, I was able to explain my case to the officers that came out and they had a similar mindset on the situation and respected my election to own the situation created by my dogs.

I perform a lot of veterinary functions with my dogs on my own.  Lacerations, infections, etc.  I work closely with my vet and she has come to trust my ability to know what to do in a situation, as well as when to recognize that something is well above my skill/equipment level.

In this case, an abscessed tooth removal without anesthesia would likely cause as much stress as the cat carrier.  The lasting pain afterward would perpetuate the stress.  There may also be secondary infections/complications from the tooth removal.  I would not think that is a DIY procedure without the proper tools.

I'm glad you consulted with a vet on this.  Having a pet in a bad medical condition is always tough and the right answer is not always the most pretty.

In the future, consider something simple to dope up the cat for transport.  I have used Benadryl with surprisingly effective results for DIY procedures on skittish dogs and cats, as well as transport.

Good luck to you and your cat.

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Re: DIY tooth extraction fr my cat
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2014, 02:24:00 PM »
Thanks all,

The vet did come out and thought it was still a little too swollen to get in there. He also thought it could be a tumour but best to get kitty under sedation to get a better look.

His advice was another week of the penicillin injections as they are definitely helping reduce the swelling.

I thought she was on her way out yesterday but perked right up when Mom came home from work.. This morning she was on the bed demanding to be fed.

I think the tune/half&half milk shakes have been spoiling her..:)

So were not at the decision point yet.

Frank

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« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2014, 02:28:46 PM »
Awesome you were able to find a mobile vet and props to those whom recommended it; as that seemed to be the main concern for you in your first post, having to bring her in a carrier to the vet.  Hope she gets better, and glad to see she is enjoying the spoiling.     : ) 
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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2014, 03:21:03 PM »
It's a difficult situation, to be sure. For what it's worth, I think you're doing the right thing - your primary consideration is your cat, not a few bucks; you found a good alternative in a mobile vet. A 17-year-old cat is not a very good candidate for extensive surgery. Your proposed method of putting it down, if it comes to that, is humane - just because us city folks don't do it doesn't mean it's not a perfectly valid thing to do. Fuck, I hope someone can do it for me when it's my time to go. I hope kitty lives a decent life for now.

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« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2014, 05:57:05 PM »
Our 8 year old kitty recently had 7 teeth extracted. We thought he only needed 2, but when they got into his gums they were a mess.  He needed antibiotics for 10 days but was eating wet food heartily, right afterwards. We also had to put down his older 'brother' who was app. 16-17, soon afterwards.  If you need to go that route or want to discuss with someone who's been/going through the feelings, message me.

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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2014, 01:14:43 AM »
Okay.  So first, you tie one end,of a string to a doorknob...

Really, if this guy isn't a troll of some kind I'd be a tad surprised.  Why post a plea for help for your animal on a financial website?  I'm thinking he's enjoying the debate that's been started regarding the right to life for kitties. 

I also think that any humane method of putting down the animal is acceptable, if it's necessary.  Why spend a huge amount of money  when you can do it yourself for far less money.  I had a dog euthanized and cremated a couple years ago and it cost a few hundred dollars.  She was 155 pounds, so didn't want to spend too much time digging a grave afterwards, so cremations is best for my big dogs.  Anyway, it's not like I had her dig her own grave, but I did make the responsible decision to put her down (had cancer) and it wouldn't have mattered if I'd done it with a gun, a shot of something or electrocution, she is dead now, and I have missed her.  Rural members of this forum understand that animals are animals.  It's not murder to kill your cat for humane reasons.  It is murder to kill someone else's cat, I guess, but i digress... 

Op should go to a veterinary forum or blog.  There's lots of debate over ways to inexpensively and humanely kill your pets on a number of websites and forums.  Maybe this debate belongs here, or maybe it doesn't... Moderator should at least move it to the DIY board
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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2014, 07:16:52 AM »
Not sharing your exact values doesn't make somebody a troll.

If you'd like the post moved please report it instead of just posting here and hoping someone will notice.

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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2014, 01:42:14 PM »
So the swelling had gone down some but it was clear she is not getting better.

Further examination by the vet revealed she has a tumour in her lower jaw and that never ends well. Add to that her age and well sadly Puddy Cats life is over.

We talked about the options of course, it was a lady vet this time. I suggested that I felt it was less stress for her to use the "farmer's home dispatch" method.. and amazingly she agreed.

Se even said because she is so scared of being handled that by the time they get the IV into her this would be a very high stress method, if I could handle it, the 22 was the best way.

She also made sure I knew how to find the spot.

I was a bit of a mess at this point as you can imagine.. Ive known PC longer than I have my Wife, this is going to be hard.

The vet didn't charge me a dime.. They have the humane society donation boxes at there office... I will of course go and donate the fee I wasn't charged accordingly.

I hope those that thought I was just being cruel to my cat or just wanted to save money at the expense of her suffering will think differently.

I think tomorrow morning will be the time to put her out of her pain.

Regards

Frank

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« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2014, 01:54:36 PM »
Sorry it had to end this way. Your love of your cat really showed in these posts.

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« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2014, 02:36:03 PM »
I'm so sorry for you and your furry friend.  Hugs to you both.

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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2014, 05:00:43 PM »
Sorry to hear..

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« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2014, 10:38:39 PM »
Not sharing your exact values doesn't make somebody a troll.

If you'd like the post moved please report it instead of just posting here and hoping someone will notice.
Actually, Mr. Global moderator, I share his values exactly, and if you'd read the post before responding, you'd know that.  But the best place for this type of post is a vet forum.  And, it looks like I DID report it in the right place since it got your attention.  Are you targeting me because you don't share my exact values?

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« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2014, 11:21:41 PM »
Are you targeting me because you don't share my exact values?
You're not a victim.  And nobody cares.

Frank, sorry for your loss.

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« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2014, 12:24:26 AM »
But the best place for this type of post is a vet forum. 

Is that not a difference in values?

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And, it looks like I DID report it in the right place since it got your attention.

Yeah except acting on that would encourage you to do it again when I'd rather you didn't


Sorry for your loss Frank. I'm glad you found the advice you were looking for

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« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2014, 03:21:50 AM »
Oh, poor baby. Both of you. But especially you; it'll be harder on you, and she'll feel better afterwards.


You're doing the right thing, what's right for her, instead of selfishly making her suffer longer. More, you're putting yourself through a great deal of trauma to save her the distress of being handled by a stranger like that.


Remember she had a long life and was loved every day, tomorrow perhaps the most of all.

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« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2014, 05:59:12 AM »
I do think when the end comes, the "taking it to a vet to have it disappear behind closed doors" is more about protecting the owners emotional state rather than providing what is humane for the pet.

This.  To counter those above, I think anyone that does THIS should never have another animal again.  I can't imagine letting someone take my dog or cat away, terrified, to be killed by a stranger without me there to comfort them in their passing.

We had a "backyard cat" - we  were semi-adopted by a cat someone else had abandoned, and we fed/petted outside. Eventually he vanished for over a month, and came back in terrible shape. Very thin, lethargic. Took him to the vet, turned out to be advanced cancer.

When the vet tech took him out of the exam room - my wife and I followed to the back room with the stainless tables and stayed with him, petting him until he was gone. It wasn't until afterward I realized they were probably taking him "away" so that we wouldn't have to be there for the end.

If a pet needs to die, there's nothing wrong with the bullet method done properly. Especially if the vet trip would terrify the pet and they instead could die after a favorite meal, in a peaceful setting they enjoy.

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« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2014, 06:19:35 AM »
Thanks all,

I got up early today as I thought the tumour was getting pretty big last night. My Wife has suggested we do it this afternoon but I'm not sure we can wait that long, she is starting to suffer.

Either way I am determined to be happy around the puss today as I don't want her picking up unhappy vibes before the event.

Today is business and we can fall apart afterwards.

Thankyou all for your support and considered debate. One thing is clear is that people take their pet's wellbeing very seriously and we all want the best for them when the end comes no matter what the method for doing the final deed.

All the best

Frank

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« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2014, 04:30:48 PM »
Oh, Frank, I'm so sorry.  And yes, we do want the best at the end time.

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« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2014, 05:12:24 PM »
Thankyou, May the beasts live long and happy lives..:)

The final deed was done at 9am this morning, and yes it broke my heart. But it was instant and its over and she is not suffering anymore.

Frank

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« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2014, 05:29:47 PM »
You did the right thing.

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« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2014, 07:44:57 PM »
Wait so you shot your cat? Well I'm glad it was indeed over quickly. Trained shooters sometimes miss. I once saw someone shoot a hog. He missed the spot and then missed the jugular with a knife. The father had to come around with a knife, with the hog convulsing all the while...I hope it wasn't like that!

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« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2014, 10:40:53 PM »
no it was instant... point blank range with a 22 rifle, hollow point round.

I wouldn't have done it if I thought I couldn't do it right. Even the vet agreed it was the best way.. Which I found amazing to be honest.

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« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2014, 11:21:23 PM »
Frank, I'm sorry about the kitty. Glad it's over and she's not hurting. I'm sure the reason the vet agreed with you was because she wanted the same thing you did: the best, calmest, happiest end for your cat. It's a rare and good thing that you were able to empathize with your cat's own experience of the world and set your own aside for her wellbeing.

Death is hard and complicated and we lie about it too much in this culture. You deserve much more kindness than you were shown in coming to a familiar and friendly place for help when you needed input, but it sounds like coming did make the option of a vet visit at home, and the right path to take, clear. Good on you for reaching out. Take care and take time for yourselves while you get used to her being gone.