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Title: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:09:19 PM
After ten years, my perfectly well-behaved cat started peeing in our living room (which is next to the laundry, where the litter box is).  He is targeting one specific corner.   

People have suggested he might be sick, but he is acting normal, sometimes he uses the litter box for pee, and he always hits the same corner when he doesn't.  If he were sick I would expect him to go wherever he is when it's time, not go to the southwest corner of the living room every time....

We keep the litter box clean.  We tried changing the litter brand but that might have made things worse; there has been no pee in the litter since the change.

I am about to buy baby gates to cordon off that room....
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: iris lily on January 01, 2016, 05:10:44 PM
Urinary blocks or inflammations are common in cats, and are a common cause of this. Don't assume it's behavioral.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:11:19 PM
Urinary blocks or inflammations are common in cats, and are a common cause of this. Don't assume it's behavioral.

Would he target one area if this was the case?
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Another Reader on January 01, 2016, 05:13:02 PM
Yes.  In your shoes, I would take the cat to the vet.  Urinary tract issues are not uncommon in older male cats.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: iris lily on January 01, 2016, 05:14:13 PM
Urinary blocks or inflammations are common in cats, and are a common cause of this. Don't assume it's behavioral.

Would he target one area if this was the case?

Yes, the last cat peeing incident at our house very much targeted a particular rug.

She went on antibiotics and it cleared up. I do so hope it's that simple for you, this is a complex , nasty, and maddening problem with cats.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:18:24 PM
I wonder if i can get some antibiotics without actually going to the vet....
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: iris lily on January 01, 2016, 05:24:39 PM
I wonder if i can get some antibiotics without actually going to the vet....
No.

Vet will likely want a urine sample looking for good traces. Don't cheap out on your cat. It's a process of elimination to figure out what's wrong.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Another Reader on January 01, 2016, 05:25:00 PM
In older male cats, it might not be an infection.  He could have crystals or the beginning of a blockage.  Try switching him to wet food only and offering fresh water several times a day.  Increasing water intake can sometimes help.  Did you change the food recently?  That could have aggravated the problem.

Ignoring bladder issues can lead to kidney failure, which is progressive and often fatal.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:26:10 PM
In older male cats, it might not be an infection.  He could have crystals or the beginning of a blockage.  Try switching him to wet food only and offering fresh water several times a day.  Increasing water intake can sometimes help.  Did you change the food recently?  That could have aggravated the problem.

Ignoring bladder issues can lead to kidney failure, which is progressive and often fatal.

He always has fresh water.  Have not changed the food.  He gets wet food twice a day and always has dry food available. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: JLee on January 01, 2016, 05:26:25 PM
Have there been any environmental changes? New pets, new people?
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:26:53 PM
I wonder if i can get some antibiotics without actually going to the vet....
No.

Vet will likely want a urine sample looking for good traces. Don't cheap out on your cat. It's a process of elimination to figure out what's wrong.

Heh, last time I didn't "cheap out" on a cat I spent 2k and got a dead cat in return.   
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:27:55 PM
Have there been any environmental changes? New pets, new people?

My mother visited a few weeks ago for a week, but she has visited many times without issue.  No new pets. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Another Reader on January 01, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Try feeding wet food only.  Cats often do not consume adequate amounts of water when they eat kibble.  The urine can be very concentrated.

The important thing is to get a diagnosis.  You want to prevent kidney damage/failure.  How are his teeth?  Dental issues often cause kidney problems, as the bacteria in the mouth can get in the bloodstream and travel to the kidneys.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 01, 2016, 05:38:52 PM
Yeah.  Fuck.  Time for the vet.  There goes another few grand.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: pbkmaine on January 01, 2016, 05:58:34 PM
We had this problem with our male cat after we moved. It wasn't just in one place. It was a lot of inappropriate peeing. He got a full physical workup and then the vet put him on Prozac. We figured he was anxious about having moved. He was a zombie for 6 weeks, but then we tapered him off and he was fine. We moved again, same problem, but this time only in one spot. 6 weeks of Prozac, zombie again, then tapered again and he was fine. This cat does not deal well with change.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Shinplaster on January 01, 2016, 07:19:22 PM
My Mom adopted a cat years ago with a urinary tract infection that had been ignored.   The cat would pee right beside the box, not in it.  The vet explained that since it hurt to pee, the cat associates the box with the pain.  It knows it should use the box, it wants to, but it doesn't want the pain.  If the infection goes on long enough, it can be very hard to persuade the cat to use the box again.  It took 2 months to solve this with my Mom's cat, so I wouldn't delay getting it attended to.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: RetiredAt63 on January 02, 2016, 07:33:32 AM
When my male cat did this he had a urinary blockage (expensive).  The sooner the vet sees the cat the better for the cat and your wallet.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 02, 2016, 03:01:43 PM
Just got back from the vet.  This vet is great, and by that I mean reasonably priced.  I scheduled a teeth cleaning, and while the cat is under, they will take the urine sample, all for well under $400.  In the past other vets had quoted me 800 just to clean the teeth. 

The urine sample should allow us to determine any medical problem that might be causing the unwanted peeing.  Set for Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 02, 2016, 03:33:01 PM
Just got back from the vet.  This vet is great, and by that I mean reasonably priced.  I scheduled a teeth cleaning, and while the cat is under, they will take the urine sample, all for well under $400.  In the past other vets had quoted me 800 just to clean the teeth. 

The urine sample should allow us to determine any medical problem that might be causing the unwanted peeing.  Set for Wednesday.

EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS TO CLEAN TEETH?!?!

Wow. Now I see why people on here complain about vet costs. Obviously a lot of this has to do with cost of living, but in my LCOL area we only charge $175 for a dental cleaning (including pre-anesthetic bloodwork, IV catheter, monitoring, etc). Obviously, it's priced as a loss leader to get people in the door, but I can see why people would balk at $800. Wow.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Another Reader on January 02, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
I would not put a cat under anesthesia until I knew whether the kidneys were ok and I had treated the cat for any infection.  My vet does a senior blood panel, including a urinalysis, before doing dental work.  It's a necessary up front investment for the cat's health and your wallet.  An infection should delay surgery.  I would call the vet back and discuss this.

That is a good price for dental work, though.  However, I think I will fly my cats to startingsmall's LCOL area vet in the future!  It would be a lot cheaper than my vet!
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Nudelkopf on January 02, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
Just got back from the vet.  This vet is great, and by that I mean reasonably priced.  I scheduled a teeth cleaning, and while the cat is under, they will take the urine sample, all for well under $400.  In the past other vets had quoted me 800 just to clean the teeth. 

The urine sample should allow us to determine any medical problem that might be causing the unwanted peeing.  Set for Wednesday.
I clearly never looked after my cats enough.. Our family has never taken our cats to the dentist :-/
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: albireo13 on January 02, 2016, 06:10:41 PM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

[MOD NOTE:  rule #1.  Manners, please.]
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: JLee on January 02, 2016, 06:21:33 PM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

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Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Kris on January 02, 2016, 06:23:43 PM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

This is completely inappropriate.  What in the world made you think to write something so useless and offensive?
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Another Reader on January 02, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
And a couple of years in state prison for felony animal cruelty will cure THAT.  We have a serial cat killer here in San Jose that will likely be doing that.  More, if the people that lost their family pets and are attending all the hearings have their way.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 02, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

This is completely inappropriate.  What in the world made you think to write something so useless and offensive?

Ha, I almost peed my pantaloons when I read it.  As the OP, I'm not offended.  I'm assuming it was meant light-heartedly.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Kris on January 02, 2016, 06:58:32 PM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

This is completely inappropriate.  What in the world made you think to write something so useless and offensive?

Ha, I almost peed my pantaloons when I read it.  As the OP, I'm not offended.  I'm assuming it was meant light-heartedly.

I'd like to think you're right, but somehow, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Prepube on January 03, 2016, 12:24:35 AM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

This is completely inappropriate.  What in the world made you think to write something so useless and offensive?

Ha, I almost peed my pantaloons when I read it.  As the OP, I'm not offended.  I'm assuming it was meant light-heartedly.

I snorted when I read this, too.  I love my cats (almost) as much as I love my dogs, but i have occasionally wished them an untimely death when they are sharpening claws on furniture or, as recently happened, sinking said claws into a dog's eye, or using my stomach as a launchpad for the back of the couch.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Cressida on January 03, 2016, 01:12:05 AM
In my experience, cats go outside the box because they goddamn well feel like it. I've experienced this multiple times and the cat has always eventually stopped for reasons outside my ken.

I would go out and buy some puppy training pads and put them down where the cat has started going. When the cat goes, change the pad. The cat will probably eventually knock it off. I can't read their minds, but this has been my experience.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 03, 2016, 07:07:10 AM
A bag and a bridge will cure this

This is completely inappropriate.  What in the world made you think to write something so useless and offensive?

Ha, I almost peed my pantaloons when I read it.  As the OP, I'm not offended.  I'm assuming it was meant light-heartedly.

I snorted when I read this, too.  I love my cats (almost) as much as I love my dogs, but i have occasionally wished them an untimely death when they are sharpening claws on furniture or, as recently happened, sinking said claws into a dog's eye, or using my stomach as a launchpad for the back of the couch.

I've always been a dog person. I'm probably the only veterinarian who has never owned a cat... they're okay to work on (though I'd prefer dogs any day!), but I've never wanted one of my own. Well, someone dumped a cat at my husband's church and we're suckers, so we now have our first cat. I have to admit that I DO kind of like her (my friends have pointed out that I post almost as many pictures of the cat as my kid on Facebook these days, and I spent $900 to treat her after she ingested a dose of my dog's pain meds), but it's definitely a love/hate relationship. I almost always refer to her as Freaking Maryanne, because any story about her involves some sort of hijinks/disaster. I want to kill her on a daily basis... but then she purrs and I melt.

Cats are absolute jerks, but for some reason we like them anyway. It makes no sense.

Here's Freaking Maryanne, caught in the act of climbing our Christmas tree.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 03, 2016, 07:21:36 AM
In my experience, cats go outside the box because they goddamn well feel like it. I've experienced this multiple times and the cat has always eventually stopped for reasons outside my ken.

I would go out and buy some puppy training pads and put them down where the cat has started going. When the cat goes, change the pad. The cat will probably eventually knock it off. I can't read their minds, but this has been my experience.

Yeah, the vet said it could be behavioral or medical.  Medical is easier to fix.  If it's behavioral, we're screwed. 

Puppy training pads is a good idea!  Thanx
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 03, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
In my experience, cats go outside the box because they goddamn well feel like it. I've experienced this multiple times and the cat has always eventually stopped for reasons outside my ken.

I would go out and buy some puppy training pads and put them down where the cat has started going. When the cat goes, change the pad. The cat will probably eventually knock it off. I can't read their minds, but this has been my experience.

Yeah, the vet said it could be behavioral or medical.  Medical is easier to fix.  If it's behavioral, we're screwed. 

Puppy training pads is a good idea!  Thanx

You're definitely not 'screwed' with behavioral. I just wrote a continuing education course for veterinarians on managing inappropriate elimination... it's not easy, but it can be done. Yes, medical causes are typically easier to fix.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: kittenwhiskers on January 03, 2016, 08:45:24 PM
That happened to me, then we found out he had diabetes. Very expensive insulin since cats don't do as well on the kind of insulin humans and dogs use. Still, I wouldn't just put him down. He lasted a good 5-6 years after that with the great care I gave him.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Spondulix on January 05, 2016, 02:12:12 AM
If it is urinary, the vet will try to talk you into switching to prescription food which is f'ing expensive. I tried a number only to find that my 4 cats all like a cheap brand (that's widely available) - Purina Pro Plan Urinary Formula (dry and wet). It's been at least a couple years since we had a urinary problem (knock on wood)

There's drops you can buy that do give temporary relief, too. If it's an infection, it won't make it go away, but it might give enough relief that they'll quit peeing all over.

Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 05, 2016, 07:31:39 AM
If it is urinary, the vet will try to talk you into switching to prescription food which is f'ing expensive. I tried a number only to find that my 4 cats all like a cheap brand (that's widely available) - Purina Pro Plan Urinary Formula (dry and wet). It's been at least a couple years since we had a urinary problem (knock on wood)

There's drops you can buy that do give temporary relief, too. If it's an infection, it won't make it go away, but it might give enough relief that they'll quit peeing all over.

Actually, most cats with feline lower urinary tract disease (assuming no complicating issues like diabetes, kidney insufficiency, etc) will benefit most from a transition to canned food (ANY canned food, not necessarily a urinary diet) and other measures to increase water intake. The second most helpful measure in managing feline lower urinary tract disease is stress/anxiety reduction. There are cats who need the RX diets, but those cats are in the minority.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandalayVA on January 05, 2016, 07:37:57 AM
We had to have a male cat put down due to a massive urinary blockage last month.  Please get yours checked out!
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Kris on January 05, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
If it is urinary, the vet will try to talk you into switching to prescription food which is f'ing expensive. I tried a number only to find that my 4 cats all like a cheap brand (that's widely available) - Purina Pro Plan Urinary Formula (dry and wet). It's been at least a couple years since we had a urinary problem (knock on wood)

There's drops you can buy that do give temporary relief, too. If it's an infection, it won't make it go away, but it might give enough relief that they'll quit peeing all over.

Wow, thank you for this! We have a cat who has had persistent problems, and it's great to know there's cheaper food that works!
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandyM on January 05, 2016, 10:03:25 AM
In my experience, cats go outside the box because they goddamn well feel like it. I've experienced this multiple times and the cat has always eventually stopped for reasons outside my ken.

I would go out and buy some puppy training pads and put them down where the cat has started going. When the cat goes, change the pad. The cat will probably eventually knock it off. I can't read their minds, but this has been my experience.

Yeah, the vet said it could be behavioral or medical.  Medical is easier to fix.  If it's behavioral, we're screwed. 

Puppy training pads is a good idea!  Thanx

You're definitely not 'screwed' with behavioral. I just wrote a continuing education course for veterinarians on managing inappropriate elimination... it's not easy, but it can be done. Yes, medical causes are typically easier to fix.

+1

Although, my money is on UTI. I've worked with an animal rescue group for 6 years and without hard data, I would guess that 80-90% of the urinating outside the litter cases were UTI and solved with antibiotics.

Startingsmall - any chance you would share your CE materials with a lovely little rescue group?
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: 2Birds1Stone on January 05, 2016, 10:17:06 AM
Put it to sleep. /thread
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: solon on January 05, 2016, 10:30:37 AM
This thread ought to be required reading for anyone considering getting a pet.

Do you really want to deal with the work, worry, and expense? And still have people look down their elitist noses at you because you don't treat your animal the way they would treat their animal?

People get pets for "comfort", but this is the exact opposite of comfort.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Mr. Green on January 05, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
It's not always urinary. We just went through a period with our 10 year old cat where he went on special food that helps treat UTIs but it kept recurring. Ultimately, we set up a webcam and caught him doing it just before he would get fed by the automatic feeder. The consistent pattern ruled out a physical health problem. Turns out he just became an asshole in his old age. He takes a dose of prozac (treats anxiety) once as day now and everything is back to normal. It's a $20/month fix for the rest of the cat's life but I'm attached and willing to pay that as opposed to killing him.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 05, 2016, 11:12:52 AM
In my experience, cats go outside the box because they goddamn well feel like it. I've experienced this multiple times and the cat has always eventually stopped for reasons outside my ken.

I would go out and buy some puppy training pads and put them down where the cat has started going. When the cat goes, change the pad. The cat will probably eventually knock it off. I can't read their minds, but this has been my experience.

Yeah, the vet said it could be behavioral or medical.  Medical is easier to fix.  If it's behavioral, we're screwed. 

Puppy training pads is a good idea!  Thanx

You're definitely not 'screwed' with behavioral. I just wrote a continuing education course for veterinarians on managing inappropriate elimination... it's not easy, but it can be done. Yes, medical causes are typically easier to fix.

+1

Although, my money is on UTI. I've worked with an animal rescue group for 6 years and without hard data, I would guess that 80-90% of the urinating outside the litter cases were UTI and solved with antibiotics.

Startingsmall - any chance you would share your CE materials with a lovely little rescue group?

I can't at this point (non-disclosure agreement, etc.), but once the company posts the materials on their website I will send you a link!

I can say this: "In one retrospective study, 60% of cats presenting for inappropriate elimination had a history of FLUTD [8]."  (FLUTD = feline lower urinary tract disease... infections, sterile inflammation, etc)  Infections are not a common cause of FLUTD and it's not something that's typically a quick fix with antibiotics (more about lifestyle mgmt - increasing fluid intake, decreasing stress, etc), but it is true that many cases of inappropriate elimination have a medical component.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 06, 2016, 03:10:10 PM
Just got the cat back from the vet.  He had teeth cleaned and a urine analysis.  His urine ph is out of whack, and he also has a lit amount of "crystals" in his urine.  We had to get the expensive special food to feed him.  Vet says we need to start brushing his teeth or in a few years he will need some removed. 

A few days ago we took the top off the litter box when we changed the litter (a second time, for a second type of litter, this time unscented), and he has been much better. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: pk_aeryn on January 11, 2016, 02:03:41 PM
Sorry to hear about the health issue.  It sounds like you're on the right track to fixing it but I'd also recommend putting another litter box right over the spot he likes to pee.  That way at least it's in the box versus your home.  I know it might be in a visible spot but hopefully it's only temporary until he feels better.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Cassie on January 11, 2016, 03:51:54 PM
So glad you figured out the problem. My past experience has been that it is usually medical.  Vets are expensive as I know from personal experience but if you get a pet you have to be prepared for it. It does suck though:))
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 18, 2016, 06:33:25 PM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?   
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandyM on January 29, 2016, 06:19:16 AM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?

I would go a step further and confine the cat to one room for a while (if possible).
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 29, 2016, 06:38:15 AM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?

I would go a step further and confine the cat to one room for a while (if possible).

He goes nuts if he is locked in a room and will start scratching at the door to the point that he starts pulling wood off the door. 

What's so confusing about this is that he is using the litter box.  We are cleaning it twice a day and most times it is clear he has been using it.  Its just every 2 days or so there is a puddle in the dining room.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Mr. Green on January 29, 2016, 06:50:57 AM
I would refer you to me earlier post. Sometimes it's anxiety. We dealt with this issue for 18 months. It would recur and then right as we were on the brink of having him put to sleep it would go away. Do you have a laptop with a webcam you could set up in the room that looks at that spot? You can download free software that will take pictures using motion detection. See if you can find a pattern for the timing of when he does this. If there's a pattern it's highly unlikely you have a health issue like a standard UTI. He may need an anti-anxiety medication.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 29, 2016, 07:24:50 AM
I would refer you to me earlier post. Sometimes it's anxiety. We dealt with this issue for 18 months. It would recur and then right as we were on the brink of having him put to sleep it would go away. Do you have a laptop with a webcam you could set up in the room that looks at that spot? You can download free software that will take pictures using motion detection. See if you can find a pattern for the timing of when he does this. If there's a pattern it's highly unlikely you have a health issue like a standard UTI. He may need an anti-anxiety medication.

Ahh.  Sorry I missed your earlier post.  Hmm its an idea -- not sure what the pattern would be with him though -- there is no automatic feeder in our house.  How are you getting the prozac?
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandyM on January 29, 2016, 07:28:03 AM
What is the litter box near? Its possible that something spooked him in conjunction with the underlying medical issue. As in, if the litter is near the washing machine and it started a noisy cycle when he was in the middle of a painful urination, he may now be overly spooked by the washing machine.

I would add a litter box to another part of the house. At least temporarily. Definitely consider one in the dining room for maybe a month or so.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 29, 2016, 07:38:12 AM
What is the litter box near? Its possible that something spooked him in conjunction with the underlying medical issue. As in, if the litter is near the washing machine and it started a noisy cycle when he was in the middle of a painful urination, he may now be overly spooked by the washing machine.

I would add a litter box to another part of the house. At least temporarily. Definitely consider one in the dining room for maybe a month or so.

Interesting idea.  yes the litter is near a washing machine but we never run it over night.  The laundry is next to the washing machine, which we do run at night when we go to sleep, but it only runs for 90 minutes.  We could certainly add another litter box somewhere else....
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Mr. Green on January 29, 2016, 09:36:07 AM
I would refer you to me earlier post. Sometimes it's anxiety. We dealt with this issue for 18 months. It would recur and then right as we were on the brink of having him put to sleep it would go away. Do you have a laptop with a webcam you could set up in the room that looks at that spot? You can download free software that will take pictures using motion detection. See if you can find a pattern for the timing of when he does this. If there's a pattern it's highly unlikely you have a health issue like a standard UTI. He may need an anti-anxiety medication.

Ahh.  Sorry I missed your earlier post.  Hmm its an idea -- not sure what the pattern would be with him though -- there is no automatic feeder in our house.  How are you getting the prozac?
You might not have an automatic feeder but perhaps there is another trigger for his anxiety that could be causing the problem. The vet writes a prescription for the prozac; it's actually called fluoxetine. It comes at a pill, transdermal gel, and chew. Our cat wouldn't do pills and the gel was making the skin on his ears red over time, so we're getting chews that had the medicine mixed in with them. We still have to break up the chew and mix it in with our cat's food, but he's extremely picky. Our other cat would eat anything. The pills are cheap. The gel and chews cost a little more but it's still cheap enough I don't mind the recurring monthly cost ($20).

Anxiety has also been known to cause inflammation and UTIs in cats through stress. It kinda sounds bizarre but if you google "FLUTD anxiety fluoxetine" you'll find tons of results. I would definitely ask the vet about it, to see what their thoughts are about whether it could be stress related. Our cat showed no other signs of stress, other than marking. From what I've read, some cats develop such bad anxiety in old age that simply moving a living room chair can set off a bout of marking or a UTI. I don't think we (humans) know why this happens in some cats.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Inaya on January 29, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
One thing you might consider is transitioning him to a raw diet--many cat owners report urinary issues subsiding after doing so. Quality pre-made raw mixes are often less expensive than the prescription diets. DIY raw is more effort, but can be fairly inexpensive if you have the time and freezer space for bulk batches.  feline-nutrition.org has lots of info about raw diets, and is a great starting point for research. At the absolute minimum, consider a grain-free wet food (if you're not already)--cats are not built to consume grain, so it can cause some issues.


We feed our cat Primal brand raw nuggets. She never had any internal issues, but she was fat and lethargic on low-quality kibble. She lost 8 pounds and gained so much energy when we switched her. Also bonus--her poop doesn't smell anymore!


You also should consider discussing diet changes with your vet. However, some vets are very anti-raw, and some also would prefer you buy whatever prescription food they're pushing. Speak to your vet, but also let your own research guide you.


(...and my first MMM forum post ever is about cat pee. An auspicious beginning.)
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Lis on January 29, 2016, 12:09:38 PM
I'm bumping along to follow. My 9 year old male cat always had issues going in the litter that we assumed was behavioral - it started when I went off to college (he didn't pee outside the litter when I was home on breaks or for the summer). Started up again when my parents got a dog. When I moved out and took him and his littermate, it stopped for a while. He occasionally peed on my knock off memory foam bathmats (to the point that I did have to toss them), but lately it's gotten a lot worse. He consistently goes along the wall in my hallway (pee not spray). I did change litter brands a few months ago (right around when it started getting bad again, went from Target brand litter which I hate to Worlds Best Cat Litter, but at least he had been using the litter then). I think I'll head to Target and pick up their litter and try that. If he continues to go outside I think it's time for a trip to the vet...

Reading everyone's post I'm now convinced he has kidney issues AND a UTI AND diabetes AND is an asshole. Ugh. But he's my baby, and I'll do what I can for him.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 29, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
One thing you might consider is transitioning him to a raw diet--many cat owners report urinary issues subsiding after doing so. Quality pre-made raw mixes are often less expensive than the prescription diets. DIY raw is more effort, but can be fairly inexpensive if you have the time and freezer space for bulk batches.  feline-nutrition.org has lots of info about raw diets, and is a great starting point for research. At the absolute minimum, consider a grain-free wet food (if you're not already)--cats are not built to consume grain, so it can cause some issues.


We feed our cat Primal brand raw nuggets. She never had any internal issues, but she was fat and lethargic on low-quality kibble. She lost 8 pounds and gained so much energy when we switched her. Also bonus--her poop doesn't smell anymore!


You also should consider discussing diet changes with your vet. However, some vets are very anti-raw, and some also would prefer you buy whatever prescription food they're pushing. Speak to your vet, but also let your own research guide you.


(...and my first MMM forum post ever is about cat pee. An auspicious beginning.)

Our vet wants us on the special food only until his urine PH is back to normal.  After that I will ask about the raw food diet.  But Im not going to lie, Im not really into all that paleo/raw/organic gorp.   
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 29, 2016, 05:13:52 PM
I'm bumping along to follow. My 9 year old male cat always had issues going in the litter that we assumed was behavioral - it started when I went off to college (he didn't pee outside the litter when I was home on breaks or for the summer). Started up again when my parents got a dog. When I moved out and took him and his littermate, it stopped for a while. He occasionally peed on my knock off memory foam bathmats (to the point that I did have to toss them), but lately it's gotten a lot worse. He consistently goes along the wall in my hallway (pee not spray). I did change litter brands a few months ago (right around when it started getting bad again, went from Target brand litter which I hate to Worlds Best Cat Litter, but at least he had been using the litter then). I think I'll head to Target and pick up their litter and try that. If he continues to go outside I think it's time for a trip to the vet...

Reading everyone's post I'm now convinced he has kidney issues AND a UTI AND diabetes AND is an asshole. Ugh. But he's my baby, and I'll do what I can for him.

I wonder, how do you tell the difference between pee and spray?  Ours is snipped, if that matters.  We do see him walking around, with his tail oddly curled, and his rump shaking in what I can only imagine is the spraying dance, but he has always done that, and our issues only started recently. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: DebtFreeBy25 on January 29, 2016, 06:43:47 PM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?

I would go a step further and confine the cat to one room for a while (if possible).

He goes nuts if he is locked in a room and will start scratching at the door to the point that he starts pulling wood off the door. 

What's so confusing about this is that he is using the litter box.  We are cleaning it twice a day and most times it is clear he has been using it.  Its just every 2 days or so there is a puddle in the dining room.

Clean the area where he pees absurdly well. Annihilate any chance that he could possibly still smell a trace of it. Then rearrange the furniture. Change the environment to the extent possible. Hopefully shaking things up will deter him from peeing in "his corner".
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Astatine on January 29, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
Posting to follow (no peeing issues thus far but one cat has severe kidney problems and both cats are somewhat neurotic).

If it is urinary, the vet will try to talk you into switching to prescription food which is f'ing expensive. I tried a number only to find that my 4 cats all like a cheap brand (that's widely available) - Purina Pro Plan Urinary Formula (dry and wet). It's been at least a couple years since we had a urinary problem (knock on wood)

There's drops you can buy that do give temporary relief, too. If it's an infection, it won't make it go away, but it might give enough relief that they'll quit peeing all over.

Actually, most cats with feline lower urinary tract disease (assuming no complicating issues like diabetes, kidney insufficiency, etc) will benefit most from a transition to canned food (ANY canned food, not necessarily a urinary diet) and other measures to increase water intake. The second most helpful measure in managing feline lower urinary tract disease is stress/anxiety reduction. There are cats who need the RX diets, but those cats are in the minority.

*sigh* I wish. One of our cats has polycystic kidney disease and nearly died from it a couple of times about 7 months ago but amazingly bounced back. So he and the other cat are on dry renal food. At our last vet consult about him and his weird drinking behaviours, the vet said the same - he should be on a canned wet food diet, not dry food. But the little bugger won't eat any canned food. We have tried him on all the flavours of renal wet food* and a wide variety of tinned food (quality stuff all the way down to the cheap and nasty stuff) but he won't eat any of them. If we add a teaspoon of cheap Aldi cat food (only some flavours, not all) to some water, he will usually drink the water but not eat the food.

Other cat doesn't have any kidney issues but we have been trying to get her to eat wet food too. She is the same as our Kidney Cat. She will eat a little bit of cheap Aldi cat food, but will take like 10 minutes to eat ONE teaspoon of food. *sigh*

*both cats consider wet renal food to be Not Food. Not even worth sniffing at or licking.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Cressida on January 29, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
*both cats consider wet renal food to be Not Food. Not even worth sniffing at or licking.

Yeah, I had exactly the same experience. He never really warmed up to it. He didn't die of kidney failure, but only because he died of congestive heart failure first. Poor little cat.

If I had it to do over, I would always feed nothing but canned food. The dry food is like crack.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Astatine on January 29, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
*both cats consider wet renal food to be Not Food. Not even worth sniffing at or licking.

Yeah, I had exactly the same experience. He never really warmed up to it. He didn't die of kidney failure, but only because he died of congestive heart failure first. Poor little cat.

If I had it to do over, I would always feed nothing but canned food. The dry food is like crack.

Sorry about your kitty. And yes, agreed. Our problem is that we adopted these cats from friends when they were 3 years old and already quite set in their ways with food.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandyM on January 30, 2016, 06:40:05 AM
I'm bumping along to follow. My 9 year old male cat always had issues going in the litter that we assumed was behavioral - it started when I went off to college (he didn't pee outside the litter when I was home on breaks or for the summer). Started up again when my parents got a dog. When I moved out and took him and his littermate, it stopped for a while. He occasionally peed on my knock off memory foam bathmats (to the point that I did have to toss them), but lately it's gotten a lot worse. He consistently goes along the wall in my hallway (pee not spray). I did change litter brands a few months ago (right around when it started getting bad again, went from Target brand litter which I hate to Worlds Best Cat Litter, but at least he had been using the litter then). I think I'll head to Target and pick up their litter and try that. If he continues to go outside I think it's time for a trip to the vet...

Reading everyone's post I'm now convinced he has kidney issues AND a UTI AND diabetes AND is an asshole. Ugh. But he's my baby, and I'll do what I can for him.

I wonder, how do you tell the difference between pee and spray?  Ours is snipped, if that matters.  We do see him walking around, with his tail oddly curled, and his rump shaking in what I can only imagine is the spraying dance, but he has always done that, and our issues only started recently.
Generally, pee is on a horizontal surface and marking is vertical. It's not always black and white though. Standing close to a wall will make it look like marking even though it may not be. And I would say that marking can be both behavioral and medical. Basically I think 99% of peeing outside the litter warrants a trip to the vet to check for UTI, crystals, etc.
(Starguru, I realize you did go to the vet. This is a general comment)
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: With This Herring on January 30, 2016, 08:05:55 AM
I have no advice, but I am commenting to follow.  One of my parents' cats is frequently going outside the box.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: startingsmall on January 30, 2016, 11:33:22 AM
Posting to follow (no peeing issues thus far but one cat has severe kidney problems and both cats are somewhat neurotic).

If it is urinary, the vet will try to talk you into switching to prescription food which is f'ing expensive. I tried a number only to find that my 4 cats all like a cheap brand (that's widely available) - Purina Pro Plan Urinary Formula (dry and wet). It's been at least a couple years since we had a urinary problem (knock on wood)

There's drops you can buy that do give temporary relief, too. If it's an infection, it won't make it go away, but it might give enough relief that they'll quit peeing all over.

Actually, most cats with feline lower urinary tract disease (assuming no complicating issues like diabetes, kidney insufficiency, etc) will benefit most from a transition to canned food (ANY canned food, not necessarily a urinary diet) and other measures to increase water intake. The second most helpful measure in managing feline lower urinary tract disease is stress/anxiety reduction. There are cats who need the RX diets, but those cats are in the minority.

*sigh* I wish. One of our cats has polycystic kidney disease and nearly died from it a couple of times about 7 months ago but amazingly bounced back. So he and the other cat are on dry renal food. At our last vet consult about him and his weird drinking behaviours, the vet said the same - he should be on a canned wet food diet, not dry food. But the little bugger won't eat any canned food. We have tried him on all the flavours of renal wet food* and a wide variety of tinned food (quality stuff all the way down to the cheap and nasty stuff) but he won't eat any of them. If we add a teaspoon of cheap Aldi cat food (only some flavours, not all) to some water, he will usually drink the water but not eat the food.

Other cat doesn't have any kidney issues but we have been trying to get her to eat wet food too. She is the same as our Kidney Cat. She will eat a little bit of cheap Aldi cat food, but will take like 10 minutes to eat ONE teaspoon of food. *sigh*

*both cats consider wet renal food to be Not Food. Not even worth sniffing at or licking.

Lower urinary tract disease refers only to bladder/ urethral issues. Kidney disease is an entirely separate issue and definitely warrants prescription food.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Kris on January 30, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?

I would go a step further and confine the cat to one room for a while (if possible).

He goes nuts if he is locked in a room and will start scratching at the door to the point that he starts pulling wood off the door. 

What's so confusing about this is that he is using the litter box.  We are cleaning it twice a day and most times it is clear he has been using it.  Its just every 2 days or so there is a puddle in the dining room.

Clean the area where he pees absurdly well. Annihilate any chance that he could possibly still smell a trace of it. Then rearrange the furniture. Change the environment to the extent possible. Hopefully shaking things up will deter him from peeing in "his corner".

On this, cats are very averse to eucalyptis oil, so you can sprinkle it liberally over the spot once you are done cleaning it as well as you can. Bonus: it smells nice and really eliminates any residual pee smell for you, too.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on January 31, 2016, 05:35:18 PM
Uggggg it's started up again.  We have been sticking to his diet and cleaning the litter every day. 

We could put a litter box in the area, but it's the dining room so that is less than ideal.  Would it be worthwhile to block his access to that room?

I would go a step further and confine the cat to one room for a while (if possible).

He goes nuts if he is locked in a room and will start scratching at the door to the point that he starts pulling wood off the door. 

What's so confusing about this is that he is using the litter box.  We are cleaning it twice a day and most times it is clear he has been using it.  Its just every 2 days or so there is a puddle in the dining room.

Clean the area where he pees absurdly well. Annihilate any chance that he could possibly still smell a trace of it. Then rearrange the furniture. Change the environment to the extent possible. Hopefully shaking things up will deter him from peeing in "his corner".

On this, cats are very averse to eucalyptis oil, so you can sprinkle it liberally over the spot once you are done cleaning it as well as you can. Bonus: it smells nice and really eliminates any residual pee smell for you, too.

We have been using Natures Miracle.

But at this point it's too much.  Woke up this morning to two massive puddles in the same area.  He is banished to the basement until we figure something out.

Im a bit concerned, he drank almost all of his water over night.  Seems like a lot of water.  Going to call the vet tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: purplish on January 31, 2016, 07:29:26 PM
Anytime our cat randomly starts peeing on the floor or on clothes, it ends up being a UTI.  She has kidney disease, it's super important to get these things checked cause they can be related.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Lis on February 01, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
I'm bumping along to follow. My 9 year old male cat always had issues going in the litter that we assumed was behavioral - it started when I went off to college (he didn't pee outside the litter when I was home on breaks or for the summer). Started up again when my parents got a dog. When I moved out and took him and his littermate, it stopped for a while. He occasionally peed on my knock off memory foam bathmats (to the point that I did have to toss them), but lately it's gotten a lot worse. He consistently goes along the wall in my hallway (pee not spray). I did change litter brands a few months ago (right around when it started getting bad again, went from Target brand litter which I hate to Worlds Best Cat Litter, but at least he had been using the litter then). I think I'll head to Target and pick up their litter and try that. If he continues to go outside I think it's time for a trip to the vet...

Reading everyone's post I'm now convinced he has kidney issues AND a UTI AND diabetes AND is an asshole. Ugh. But he's my baby, and I'll do what I can for him.

I wonder, how do you tell the difference between pee and spray?  Ours is snipped, if that matters.  We do see him walking around, with his tail oddly curled, and his rump shaking in what I can only imagine is the spraying dance, but he has always done that, and our issues only started recently.
Generally, pee is on a horizontal surface and marking is vertical. It's not always black and white though. Standing close to a wall will make it look like marking even though it may not be. And I would say that marking can be both behavioral and medical. Basically I think 99% of peeing outside the litter warrants a trip to the vet to check for UTI, crystals, etc.
(Starguru, I realize you did go to the vet. This is a general comment)

I was always told it's a lot less likely to be marking if he's snipped (my boys are too). Usually spray is a lot stronger and more disgusting smelling (we had a male feral in my neighborhood growing up who decided our house was his). My boy just squats and pees.

My mom found this on Amazon, and most of the reviews are great: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I9SI40S?redirect=true&ref_=pe_849460_165159030_em_1p_0_lm

My vet gave me some wipes last time I went to rub inside the carrier next time I had to take them (they do NOT like the carriers) and it worked like a charm (super surprisingly - one of my cats is virtually silent unless you stick him in the carrier, then he's the loudest cat I've ever heard). I'm very, very tempted to try this, I just don't have an outlet that's very close to the area he tends to use (my apartment isn't very big, but all the outlets are around corners and walls - he pees in the hallway). Anyone else try this? I might order some today and I can report back in a week.

(One day, I'll remember how to insert URLs. But today is not that day.)
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: MandyM on February 01, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
I'm bumping along to follow. My 9 year old male cat always had issues going in the litter that we assumed was behavioral - it started when I went off to college (he didn't pee outside the litter when I was home on breaks or for the summer). Started up again when my parents got a dog. When I moved out and took him and his littermate, it stopped for a while. He occasionally peed on my knock off memory foam bathmats (to the point that I did have to toss them), but lately it's gotten a lot worse. He consistently goes along the wall in my hallway (pee not spray). I did change litter brands a few months ago (right around when it started getting bad again, went from Target brand litter which I hate to Worlds Best Cat Litter, but at least he had been using the litter then). I think I'll head to Target and pick up their litter and try that. If he continues to go outside I think it's time for a trip to the vet...

Reading everyone's post I'm now convinced he has kidney issues AND a UTI AND diabetes AND is an asshole. Ugh. But he's my baby, and I'll do what I can for him.

I wonder, how do you tell the difference between pee and spray?  Ours is snipped, if that matters.  We do see him walking around, with his tail oddly curled, and his rump shaking in what I can only imagine is the spraying dance, but he has always done that, and our issues only started recently.
Generally, pee is on a horizontal surface and marking is vertical. It's not always black and white though. Standing close to a wall will make it look like marking even though it may not be. And I would say that marking can be both behavioral and medical. Basically I think 99% of peeing outside the litter warrants a trip to the vet to check for UTI, crystals, etc.
(Starguru, I realize you did go to the vet. This is a general comment)

I was always told it's a lot less likely to be marking if he's snipped (my boys are too). Usually spray is a lot stronger and more disgusting smelling (we had a male feral in my neighborhood growing up who decided our house was his). My boy just squats and pees.

My mom found this on Amazon, and most of the reviews are great: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I9SI40S?redirect=true&ref_=pe_849460_165159030_em_1p_0_lm

My vet gave me some wipes last time I went to rub inside the carrier next time I had to take them (they do NOT like the carriers) and it worked like a charm (super surprisingly - one of my cats is virtually silent unless you stick him in the carrier, then he's the loudest cat I've ever heard). I'm very, very tempted to try this, I just don't have an outlet that's very close to the area he tends to use (my apartment isn't very big, but all the outlets are around corners and walls - he pees in the hallway). Anyone else try this? I might order some today and I can report back in a week.

(One day, I'll remember how to insert URLs. But today is not that day.)

Yes, a cat that is neutered is much less likely to mark (I REALLY hope we are all talking about neutered cats). And "marking" may not be the correct term. When I use the term marking, I mean behavioral peeing caused by anxiety or stress. It isn't quite the same as an intact male marking his territory. (also, this is not a male only issue. I have talked to hundreds of people that will only adopt female cats due to marking concerns. I, personally, have had more litter box issues with females.)

I've heard mixed reviews about Feliway. Very mixed - as in, cat savvy people I know have told me very different stories. My guess is that results are very dependent on the cat; some will respond and others will not.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: BFGirl on February 01, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
Feliway very much helped a cat of mine who was anxious after a move.  The same cat started peeing outside the litter box and was around 13 at the time.  Once we got a shallow pan to use a litter box, it was much better.  I think it may have been painful for her to get in and out of the other one.  Another friend of mine had the same issue with one of her cats who was very young and she got a large shallow storage box and uses it as a litter box and that has solved the problem of her cat peeing on the carpet.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Cressida on February 01, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
I don't know if Feliway would have worked on our cats. We tried it, but I had to unplug it after a day because I could not abide the smell of it. N=1.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Dicey on February 01, 2016, 03:22:21 PM
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I think you have next year's Holiday card photo. What a cutie!

This year, our rescue kitty loved to sit underneath and stare up at our revolving  tree, but she never touched anything. She's called Alice, which often gets pronounced as Aaaaa-lice (Long "i", as in the vermin.) when she's up to no good.

She occasionally poops in inappropriate places, generally because one of our bad dogs has done something similar before. No amount of cleaning deters the next one from wanting to reclaim the bad place from the last one.

Just this weekend we ordered two tall baby gates because a camera in the great room revealed bad activities by both dogs, the cat and grandma, who has Alzheimer's. The email that their shipment would be delayed almost made me weep.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Inaya on February 02, 2016, 07:14:09 AM
But Im not going to lie, Im not really into all that paleo/raw/organic gorp.


You know, I'm not either. The cat is the healthiest eater in our little family (the humans in this family eat too much junk and know it), and I can't really argue with the results I've seen with my own eyes. While I do understand that raw feeding isn't for everyone (and some cats outright refuse, no matter how much the owner wants it), I will always advocate a species-appropriate diet, even if it's a high-quality, grain-free wet food. But ymmv--you know your cat and I don't.


I wish you and kitty the best of luck.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Lis on February 02, 2016, 09:52:08 AM
So I switched back to the cheap, smelly Target brand litter and my little pain in the butt is using it. I still have one litter container full of Worlds Best Cat Litter (flushable, non chemical smell, much more preferable) but even my less picky one is using the icky one. Sigh. Better the gross cat litter than the carpet I suppose... And better a picky cat than a sick one.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Mr. Green on February 02, 2016, 10:19:57 AM
When your cat went to the vet, did they do any blood work? If your cat is still drinking an abnormally large amount of water that could be an indication of kidney failure. Nothing they can do about that one though. Just something to be aware of.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Spondulix on February 12, 2016, 02:46:39 AM
It can take weeks from a UTI diagnosis/changing foods to their PH really getting back to normal. Here's a couple suggestions:

- Water fountain (vs water bowl). More water = less UTIs
- Herbal UTI relief. There's liquid you can put in their water bowl that somehow helps them pee. It seems to help when they're going through UTI
- More wet food (temporarily)
- Move the box (temporarily) if they're still peeing outside the box. Or get a cardboard box (or plastic bin) and put some paper towels in it. They may be inclined to use that as an alternative

My cats wouldn't eat one of the expensive brands (Royal Canin or Hills - I forget). We had to try a few brands before we found one that worked. I mentioned before I use Purina Urinary now but for a while I also mixed it with Wysong. It's cheaper than the prescription and better ingredients, so good in the interim.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: starguru on June 06, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
Just to update this: so kitty has been in the basement for the last two months.  He has been eating special vet-assigned food to restore his urine pH balance.  We finally let him up over the weekend to see how it would go.

And it started.  Again.

He saw me looking around and that area,  where there was a mark,  and the next thing I see when turning is the damn cat scampering off to the basement.  Little shit knows.

So I don't know what to do.  Im beginning to think it's behavioral. 

Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Meowmalade on June 06, 2016, 03:12:10 PM
Our girl cat has cystitis (which is all the symptoms of a UTI, but not an actual infection, so it can't be cured).  The only solution is to give her painkillers for about 5 days when she gets a flare-up and starts peeing outside.  We have two litterboxes in our bedroom and another two downstairs, all because of her bathroom finickiness-- she would rather go outside the box than go in a soiled one.  One of the bedroom ones now lives permanently behind the door, which is a terrible place for it, but which seems to be the preferred box for both cats.

Have you tried putting a box where the cat's been going?  That might be the solution... once he starts using it consistently, you can move it about an inch a day to relocate it very slowly to your desired location.
Title: Re: Damn cat
Post by: Nederstash on June 06, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
Just to update this: so kitty has been in the basement for the last two months.  He has been eating special vet-assigned food to restore his urine pH balance.  We finally let him up over the weekend to see how it would go.

And it started.  Again.

He saw me looking around and that area,  where there was a mark,  and the next thing I see when turning is the damn cat scampering off to the basement.  Little shit knows.

So I don't know what to do.  Im beginning to think it's behavioral.

Well if someone locked me in a basement for two months I'd pee on all your stuff out of pure spite.