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Share your experience with Covid (the disease)
« on: December 25, 2020, 02:10:58 PM »
We live in one of the states with fewer cases, and in one of the lowest case-count counties in our state.  We have been conscientious about staying home, avoiding socializing with friends or even close family, and when we run errands, we have always worn masks.  Despite this, after 9+ months of precautions, DW tested positive for Covid-19 the day before Christmas Eve.  Our children and I have not been tested yet, but we will almost certainly get it (or already have it).  So, add another family to the tally.  So far, symptoms are mild - DW is just fatigued and has completely lost her sense of taste and smell.

The odd thing is, we have no idea how this came into our house.  We had no known exposure and must have just picked it up in passing while at the store or something.

What is your experience after testing positive for Covid-19?  How did you get it?  Anything you would recommend as we settle in for the next couple of weeks?

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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2020, 02:34:56 PM »
No recommendations. My aunt got it after going to the store last week. Previously had not known a single person who had it. Maybe it's the new more contagious strain?

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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2020, 04:54:00 PM »
I had it in August. At the time, my only possible exposures were:
- through my husband
- from work 13 days before the onset of signs (too long to be likely)
- during an outdoor interaction with an asymptomatic couple one day before the onset of signs (too recent to be likely)
- from a gas pump 3-4 days before the onset of signs
- from an AirBnb we stayed at one week before the onset of signs
I wasn't doing any grocery stores (my husband was doing curbside pickup only) or having any other in-person interaction.

We suspect that my husband brought it home from his job. He had a 30-minute office visit, masked, with someone who mentioned during the conversation that she had a coworker out with COVID. She never had any signs that we know of, but she's not the healthiest individual so maybe she had subtle signs she didn't notice? My husband did have a slight headache 4-5 days before I got sick, so we think that was his only symptom. (He tested antibody negative a couple of months later, but so did I and I had a positive PCR test during my illness).

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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2020, 09:08:43 AM »
Outside of our own household, we have a pretty close knowledge of a bunch of different cases and behaviors.
  • Several dozen cases at work - all recovered so far
  • Co-workers who lost family members
  • Uncle who watches too much Fox News and insists it’s overblown, but is at high risk if he gets it
  • Family members who probably contracted it while traveling (weren’t tested early in the pandemic) but had magical “no-smell” diarrhea
  • Family member who works in healthcare and has reported on the strange sense of denial in co-workers and hospital administration
  • Close friend who works in healthcare whose co-worker was in denial about it all and then lost her father to COVID; at the funeral, another family member from out-of-state collapsed and was hospitalized
  • Family members who definitely did get it - both were sick, and she tested positive for antibodies and has lingering long-haul symptoms while he (age 76) is fine

So far, DW is feeling okay (but can’t smell or taste anything) and the rest of us have no symptoms.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2020, 09:39:47 AM »
MIL has it right now. She is about 66, fatigued, taste and smell impacted, but it has not hit her too hard. She's a generally healthy person, but not a health nut by any stretch of the imagination. She likely contracted it at work as she is a secretary at a public school, though no one she was in contact with is fessing up to having it. It would likely be a different story if her late 70's husband, who is very overweight and in poor health, catches it. They are in the same house and who knows what measures they are taking to quarantine.

Friend's daughter in her 30's has it right now and is scrupulously quarantining herself. She believes she got it from a dentist who she found out after her appt. had traveled out of state to a dental conference. Her symptoms are also fairly mild.

Another friend's son has it, she and her husband were potentially exposed when he visited prior to testing positive. Both of them tested negative. She hasn't said anything about his symptoms, so I assume fairly mild.

Some of these stories of contracting it mysteriously are quite worrying. My 77 year old dad is headed to visit my brother in a couple days, and then drive cross country to FL. He camps in his van, so he has minimal interaction with people, so fingers crossed he can make the trip safely.

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2020, 09:46:03 AM »
My sister got it from work, they were not wearing masks even though they work arounds kids. To be clear my sister was 100% wearing the mask the entire time. She was sick for a month with the flu, took a while to get over. Her fiancee got it from her.

My grandma's roommate got it, died. My grandma escaped that first round, but 3 weeks ago her entire wing got it (100%!!!). So far she is good, she is 96 and amazing. Hopefully, that keeps up. How did she get it? Probably cleaning team/nurses they think, but they can't do contact tracing as they are so overwhelmed. Families haven't been allowed in for quite some time.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2020, 01:41:27 PM »
I went to visit my 77 & 78yo parents the weekend before Christmas.  I was ultra careful before hand so I wouldn't get them sick.  Unfortunately my mom wasn't as careful.  She apparently had gone out to eat recently with several of her friends who are very active and around medical workers and first responders.  When I got there my mom mentioned having a cough.  When I questioned her about it, she said 'Oh, I guess I should have warned you before you came'. Uh, ya think?  Turns out she had been to her Dr the day before for a routine exam and he said it didn't sound like Covid but never tested her.  The Dr is also my father's doc and knows my Dad is very high risk (COPD emphysema, over weight etc).  What the actual fuck?  Long story short, my dad went to the hospital on Christmas morning and tested Covid positive.  mom is still coughing and tired but can't get a test until Monday.  I am now quarantining at home and feeling mild symptoms so far.  Covid...the Christmas gift that keeps giving.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2020, 05:20:41 PM »
Uggh, I’m so sorry. I hope all of you recover quickly.

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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2020, 07:04:58 AM »
My entire household had Covid back in April. My daughters barely had any symptoms. My wife had fever for about a day and lost her sense of smell almost entirely. It is only now slowly coming back about eight months after recovery. She coughed pretty badly for a long time.

I was the worst affected - I had a high fever for about five days but I started recovering pretty quickly after the fever went away. I got tested for covid and was mostly on the mend by the time I got the positive result. This was still in the early days so just getting tested was quite hard. As I have mentioned elsewhere in the forum, I started losing weight very quickly once the infection started to bite. Your body needs a lot of energy to fight the infection. So you do need to force yourself to eat even if you don't have any appetite. Even at the worst of the infection, I took a lot of hot showers and walked around a little. I got tested for antibodies in October and found that I still have them!

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2020, 08:01:48 AM »
We're otherwise healthy 30-somethings that had it in November. My wife started to have some symptoms on Sat evening. By Sunday morning she was feeling miserable and spent most of the day in bed with a high fever, chills, etc. She gradually improved from that point with copious fluid intake and tylenol, but she did lose her sense of taste/smell about 6 days after symptom onset and it was about a week before they fully returned. She had some form of symptoms for about two weeks.

I began to have symptoms 5 days after her symptoms appeared, but my symptoms were less severe. Initially it just felt like seasonal allergies. Then day 2 rolled around and I had fever and chills and muscle ache in my lowerback and hamstrings. I took a nap for a couple of hours (uncommon for me to nap at all) and ate something, and the fever/chills subsided. The muscle ache faded away over the next 2-3 days. I had some form of symptoms for about 4-5 days.

In related news, the two people in my close circle that I was most concerned about getting the virus have more or less shaken it off.
My immune compromised MIL in her 60s got it (most likely from work) and was a lighter case like mine with minimal impact to her respiratory system.
And my 70 year old step father who gets pnuemonia a couple of times per year was in a house with my COVID-positive mother for two weeks without any symptoms and numerous negative tests.

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2020, 01:06:35 PM »
My husband and I and our 2 teenage daughters had it in July. No major symptoms at the time. I was very tired (took naps during the day for weeks) and body aches that still linger months later. None of us had fevers, or lost our taste or sense of smell. The weirdest thing is that some food now tastes different to me.

Still have tiredness and body aches. Not debilitating but enough to change my routine. I wish it would just go away.

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2020, 04:00:19 PM »
DW had a couple of miserable days. She mostly stayed in bed and slept on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. The next couple of days she felt better and stayed isolated from us while binge-watching Netflix. We took a couple of walks with her masked up (we live in a rural area). The kids and I have had mild to no symptoms.  I actually got tested yesterday with a fast PCR test and tested negative. I had mild symptoms, and as we’re married and actually like each other ;-)   [... sorry @spartana], I’m baffled by the negative test. The only thing that makes sense to me is that I had it first and have already cleared it.

Anyway, it looks like we’re getting through this relatively unscathed. DW still has no sense of taste or smell, so issues aren’t over, but right now we are feeling pretty fortunate. This disease is so weird, and I think that we have to be careful about taking stories like my family’s and being seduced into thinking that it’s all overblown. An honest look at the numbers shows that it not the case. However, let’s face it - most people who test positive are going to either not get sick or just have what amounts to a bad cold. The problem is, the data show us that +/- 10% get really sick, and up to 10% of those die.

We’ve been taking this seriously from the beginning, and we will continue to starting with being faithful to our quarantine period right now.  I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.
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Re: Share your experience with Covid (the disease)
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2020, 04:22:41 PM »
I had it at the end of October. Woke up with a headache (was unusual for me as I never get headaches), so as per my workplace's COVID policy I wasn't allowed to come into work and was told to go to the Urgent Care center. Urgent care basically said "Just a headache? You're wasting our time, go to work." so I went back to work. A couple hours into working, I started feeling achey and feverish. Told my supervisor and got sent home. Called the local hospital's COVID hotline the following morning (still achey and feverish, with a headache) and they scheduled me for a COVID test that afternoon.

Getting the test was the most surreal part of the whole experience. The testing facility was an old repurposed single floor office building, with buzzing fluorescent lights, 80s style carpet and wood paneling on the walls. They only let one person in at a time, so the waiting room was a big empty room with a single chair in the middle of it. I opted to stand instead, and after waiting a few minutes a man in a full hazmat suit came out and ushered me through a dimly lit hallway and into a room with a big containment sphere with two holes cut in the front of it for the nurse's hands to come through to administer the test. The test itself was pretty painless and only mildly uncomfortable.

By the time the results came back two days later my symptoms had already fully subsided, but due to the positive result I still had to quarantine for 2 weeks from symptom onset. So all in all I got a paid two week vacation, and was only sick for about 48 hours of it. My symptoms never progressed beyond what I would consider a mild flu, so I'd say mine was a mild case.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2020, 03:38:14 AM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2020, 06:07:16 AM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

Bear in mind that reinfection is possible after a few months. It's been about 2 months since I tested positive, but I'm still behaving as if I could get it again at any time.

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2020, 06:25:05 AM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

Bear in mind that reinfection is possible after a few months. It's been about 2 months since I tested positive, but I'm still behaving as if I could get it again at any time.

My poor friend who had a rough time with it in early March got reinfected in November.  Same symptoms the second time.  She had heart damage from her first bout, and changes in taste after the second time.  Young and healthy previously.  She was very careful after her experience in March, but her SO was exposed at work and brought it home (unable to work from home like her).

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2020, 07:38:21 AM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

Bear in mind that reinfection is possible after a few months. It's been about 2 months since I tested positive, but I'm still behaving as if I could get it again at any time.

Yep. I had it in August and was feeling a similar sense of relief... until I tested negative for antibodies last month.

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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2020, 08:32:47 AM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

Bear in mind that reinfection is possible after a few months. It's been about 2 months since I tested positive, but I'm still behaving as if I could get it again at any time.

Yep. I had it in August and was feeling a similar sense of relief... until I tested negative for antibodies last month.

It appears from current studies that immunity lasts for at least 8 to 9 months. But using analogies with the original 2003 SARS virus, immunity could actually last a lot longer. I still had antibodies a full 6 months after recovery.

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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2020, 10:52:03 AM »
I have no first-hand experience with Covid, but a few of my out-of-state friends have gotten it. One said it was like a bad cold for 4-5 days and he passed it to his 10-year-old son who had zero symptoms. Another of my friends said he felt perfectly fine except for his upper legs/quads that would just constantly be achy and in pain, "like I just finished a marathon." He said those symptoms lasted about a week. So unpredictable, these symptoms.

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2020, 07:05:50 PM »
ptf

Thank you for starting this thread.

I may never leave the house again. :\

I didn't realize people were contracting the virus from careful, masked, brief, distanced shopping trips where everyone was doing everything right. Yikes.

Very much appreciate the stories.

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2020, 07:31:59 AM »
My parents got it in November, and my family and my brothers family came to visit (we didn't know they had it at the time).

We all ended up getting it, even the little ones.  Luckily none of us had many symptoms.  My mom (69) had it the worse, she was very tired and sore for 2 weeks, but then she was back to normal.  No one had fevers.  My wife and my sister in law both lost smell and taste for about 1.5 weeks.

Very weird, we still don't know how we got it, but we are thankful that we all got it together and got through it pretty cleanly.  We were all able to quarantine and we never were in contact with anyone else outside of our family, so that part was good.

The question now is, how safe are we.  Part of me feels like I could travel now, or be less concerned about going out (still wearing a mask of course).  I think, from what I read, we should have immunity for some months at the very least, and hopefully longer

Anyone that already had it go out or travel on a plane, now that you are safe/r??


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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2021, 02:03:46 AM »
My parents got it in November, and my family and my brothers family came to visit (we didn't know they had it at the time).

We all ended up getting it, even the little ones.  Luckily none of us had many symptoms.  My mom (69) had it the worse, she was very tired and sore for 2 weeks, but then she was back to normal.  No one had fevers.  My wife and my sister in law both lost smell and taste for about 1.5 weeks.

Very weird, we still don't know how we got it, but we are thankful that we all got it together and got through it pretty cleanly.  We were all able to quarantine and we never were in contact with anyone else outside of our family, so that part was good.

The question now is, how safe are we.  Part of me feels like I could travel now, or be less concerned about going out (still wearing a mask of course).  I think, from what I read, we should have immunity for some months at the very least, and hopefully longer

Anyone that already had it go out or travel on a plane, now that you are safe/r??

Sorry to hear that your entire family got infected but great to know you're all feeling better. Please be aware that having successfully recovered from COVID does not make you immune to reinfection (source here).

Have you tried retesting after falling sick? As many international destinations now require COVID tests with a strict test type and validity requirement. The trend I've been seeing is a PCR test with COVID negative result, with maximum validity of 72 hours before the first flight (source here).

If you're planning to travel to a location with this kind of restriction, the airline won't even let you board if your COVID test result is positive.
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2021, 09:55:20 AM »
I got covid in early March in NYC, before anyone was distancing or wearing masks. I'm pretty sure I got it from work, but who knows. It was everywhere.

Sounds like you're over the worst of it, so not much advice to add about the course of the illness. But I will say, be careful returning to any exercise afterwards. I didn't know my illness was covid until much later when I tested for antibodies, so I tried to ramp up running again like I would after a cold. It did not feel good. Every time I ran, the fever and extreme fatigue would come back. Hindsight is 20/20...knowing now that it was indeed covid, and that covid can cause myocarditis and other long-term effects, it was irresponsible to push myself. It seems like the recommendation now is to wait until you feel fully recovered to do any exercise again, and to ease back gently. No pushing yourself for a while.

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2021, 10:37:13 AM »

Anyone that already had it go out or travel on a plane, now that you are safe/r??

I had covid in April and recovered. I did in fact have to make a plane trip in August for my father's funeral. It was uneventful and I did not get any recurrence of Covid. I had myself tested for antibodies after the trip in October and found that I still had them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2021, 10:57:38 AM »
When you describe your covid experience, it would be helpful if you could also share your age range, known pre-existing conditions including being overweight.

Stay safe everybody! To those who have it, I wish you speedy recovery.

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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2021, 11:11:00 AM »
ptf

Thank you for starting this thread.

I may never leave the house again. :\

I didn't realize people were contracting the virus from careful, masked, brief, distanced shopping trips where everyone was doing everything right. Yikes.

Very much appreciate the stories.

I know, this worries me a lot. I’m now thinking about having pick up service for groceries once Every other week, and going into the grocery store only once every other week.

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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2021, 12:29:27 PM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently, when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later, and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2021, 12:47:29 PM »
I have to admit, though, that it’s kind of a relief to have it hit us and have no major issues. I would have preferred to make it a couple more months and get vaccinated, but for now, I’m going to worry less about our family and more about ensuring that we don’t spread this to anyone else.

Similar feeling here. My consumption of COVID related news is way down since contracting/beating it. We still obviously take precautions in public, at work and with neighbors, etc but there's a lot of relief in just getting it over with. Those in my family who have had it were even able to have a small, in person get together for Christmas with no fear of spreading anything. It was almost normal.

Bear in mind that reinfection is possible after a few months. It's been about 2 months since I tested positive, but I'm still behaving as if I could get it again at any time.

It is also possible to get hit by a meteor, but I don't really let that keep me up at night.

I am generally young, healthy, with no preexisting conditions. My whole family got covid over a week or so. It was really nothing. At the time we really did not know we even had it. No fevers, or chills or any of the clues that tell you that you are actually sick. I did have some loss of taste, but I had a sinus infection at the time (so I thought) which is pretty typical for me this time of year from turning the heat on. Really in hindsight it should have been obvious but at the time it did not line up. Everyone tells you how bad it is, I figured I would feel bad, or at least a little off.  Also makes me realize that all the temperature checks done anytime I go anywhere cannot be that effective.

We of course wore masks out, but really did not quarantine until it was too late. IMO kind of why this thing spreads like crazy. People that think they are healthy, are actually spreading it like crazy because they feel fine. We obviously still wore our mask (and still do) but it is kind of nice to have it behind us.


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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2021, 01:41:18 PM »
Our neighbor got it and passed away last spring.   Several friends have had it and it just wore them out.   One has yet to fully recover.

At the moment, we don't know if my wife has it or not.   She was tested a couple of days ago but it's a holiday weekend so I'm not sure when we'll know.    She's hot or clammy or normal.    She gets tired easily.   Sense of smell is lessened but not completely gone.   

It's possible I've got it too, but a much milder case.

We've been very careful but obviously not careful enough.   Somewhere, somehow, we messed up and got a dose of something.   Hopefully it's just some form of "the usual crud" instead of covid.    I've read that the effects vary greatly in severity and are partially dependent on the intensity of the original exposure.   Being very careful should help with that.

Hopefully I'll be back in a couple of days to say, nope, we have something else.   Or not quite as nice, a week or two after that saying we've all recovered.

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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2021, 02:19:27 PM »
I've read that the effects vary greatly in severity and are partially dependent on the intensity of the original exposure.

I've heard that there is a connection between a person's blood type and the severity of their symptoms. Supposedly those with O blood types tend to experience milder symptoms on average, while A blood types tend to be the most severe. This checks out with my experience, as I have O+ blood and barely had any symptoms when I had it.

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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2021, 02:54:16 PM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently, when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later, and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.

Thank you for sharing Abe. I can't even imagine what that was really like but your story helps me see it in a way I couldn't otherwise.

I have lost a few older clients to COVID. They were in their 70's but otherwise healthy. In both cases, COVID took them down very quickly.

My aunt's MIL is in her 80's and has been in kidney failure for years and lives in a nursing home. She tested positive 3 weeks ago. We've all now nick named her the tough old bird because she's pulling through. She has been tired, lonely, and depressed, but she is pulling through.

I have another aunt in her 60's whose whole family has had it - she and her husband are both sick with it now, and both of their grown kids and all of their grandkids have had it.  I saw my aunt over the summer and I love her and her whole family but she and her husband were convinced that the doctors were making the positive cases in their area up to get money. Few precautions were being taken.

I myself am waiting for COVID test results. I started running a fever on the 30th, it lasted a few days, and I had 2 days of bad GI symptoms. Today I am tired but almost normal. I'm 47 and otherwise healthy. I was exposed to a client 5 days before my symptoms started who I found out later was under quarantine at the time. He apparently had a negative test after a known exposure so the thought was that he was "fine". Perhaps he was not fine.

A friend is an ER nurse. He was telling me about his 1st vaccine one week and the next week he was telling me his COVID story. So, apparently one shot is NOT enough to protect you.

At this point I am rooting for a positive test. This is the 4th time we've locked my house down because someone might have COVID. I'm ready to just get it over with. Especially if my symptoms are no worse than they are. Only other member of my house is 10 and so far she has no symptoms.

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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2021, 03:01:31 PM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently, when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later, and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.

Can you, as a medical professional, describe typical patients who get very sick and die from Covid? The problem is that what we read on the internet these days is mostly biased: it's either "they are all fat boomers with diabetes" or "a healthy 20 yo died from Covid so based on this anecdotal evidence you should be very afraid too". In your opinion, are there any patterns in terms of their age and preexisting conditions?


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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2021, 04:15:07 PM »
My city’s mayor died of it last Tuesday. My former classmate (early 40s, don’t know about health conditions) died of it 4 weeks ago. My friend’s husband (also in his early 40s, physically fit, no underlying health conditions) was bedridden for a couple of weeks this fall, with lingering symptoms. My mom’s boss (mid-60s, physically fit, no other health issues) has been out of work with it for 3 weeks. No word on when or if he’ll be able to come back to work. Another of her coworkers (mid-30s, physically fit) has also been out with it for 3 weeks.

I’m glad that so many people are having an easy time of it, but it seems like viral Russian roulette. You have no idea beforehand if you’ll be mostly asymptomatic or seriously ill and unable to work for weeks.

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2021, 04:40:30 PM »
I’m glad that so many people are having an easy time of it, but it seems like viral Russian roulette.

I used that exact analogy yesterday (Russian roulette) talking to my friend - she (in her 40s) caught it in March before lockdown started and even though she only got moderately ill (didn't go to the doctor or hospital) she developed serious long-term symptoms and is still quite ill and ended up having to take much of the year off work. She is worried that she'll never get better. Now my uncle has tested positive (no idea how he got it - he says he only ever goes to the store with a mask and does outdoor dining if it isn't too crowded) and he seems to have a much milder case than she did even though he's much older than her and has a chronic lung condition from 9/11 as well as some vascular issues. We're still concerned that he will end up getting a stroke or something since it can cause clotting problems :-(

I have had many other friends and friends-of-friends with it - off the top of my head, one friend died, two friends-of-friends that I know/have met died, three parents of friends died. My aunt also died in April but was never tested so we don't have a definite cause of death. Plus many illnesses among my friends, some mild, some serious. My BFF's whole family got it in March (she thinks - there were no tests); she (42) was very sick, and her son (4) had pneumonia. The church a block away from me lost eleven parishioners to COVID in three weeks in the spring. It's absolute lunacy to me that anyone doesn't take it seriously at this point...

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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2021, 08:28:33 PM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently, when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later, and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.

Can you, as a medical professional, describe typical patients who get very sick and die from Covid? The problem is that what we read on the internet these days is mostly biased: it's either "they are all fat boomers with diabetes" or "a healthy 20 yo died from Covid so based on this anecdotal evidence you should be very afraid too". In your opinion, are there any patterns in terms of their age and preexisting conditions?

These are the known risk factors for death from COVID-19, based on data from the England National Health Service records of 17 million people, of whom approximately 11,000 died through May 15th.

Sorted by risk compared to not having a co-morbidity/characteristic:

Age was the biggest independent risk factor:
Absolute risk of death by age was <0.01% in the 18-39 year old group, and 0.44-0.67% in the >80yo group. The denominator is total population in each age group, not population with COVID.

Compared to 50-59 year olds, 60-69 year olds had a 2.4x risk of dying, 70-79yo had a 6.1x risk, and >80yo had a 21x risk of dying after adjusting for other factors. 40-49yo had a 0.3x risk, and 18-39 had a 0.06x risk.

Independent of age, risks by co-morbidity were:
Organ transplant was the second-biggest risk (3.5x)
Leukemia/lymphoma within the last 5 years was the third-biggest risk (2.5-2.8x)
Neurologic disease other than stroke or dementia (2.6x)
Severe chronic kidney disease was fourth (2.5x)
Stroke or dementia (2.2x)
Immunosuppression other than transplant (i.e. HIV): 2.2x
Diabetes: 2x risk if uncontrolled, 1.3x if controlled
Recent solid-organ cancer (1.8x)
Liver disease: 1.75x risk
Men have a 1.6x risk of dying compared to women.

COPD or emphysema (1.6x)

Morbid obesity (BMI >35, i.e. 5ft person weighing >180lb, 5'6" person weighing >210lb, or 6ft person weighing 250+ pounds) carried a risk of 1.4x

Mild chronic kidney disease (1.3x)

Things that increased risk 10-20% are:
Chronic heart disease
Asthma
Smoking
Auto-immune diseases (e.g. rheumatoid arthritis, lupus or psoriasis)

Socioeconomic risks (adjusted for in above figures):
Non-white ethnicity (1.3-1.5x)
Less wealthy (1.1-1.8x risk)

Hypertension and asthma not requiring inhalers had no increased risk.
HOWEVER, hypertension was associated with increased risk in <60yo (3x risk in the 18-39 group, 2.7x risk in the 40-49 group, 1.3x risk in the 50-59 group).

The risks are additive (roughly): so two <40yo both have low risk, but the one with uncontrolled diabetes, hypertension and/or obesity is more likely to die. Those three tend to go together in that age group, so you can see how that can quickly add up.

TLDR: age >60 (37.5% of English population), transplant (0.1%), cancer (2%), neurologic disease (1%), severe kidney disease (0.5%), immunosuppression (0.3%), diabetes (3%), liver disease (0.6%), non-asthma respiratory disease (4%), male gender (50%), and morbid obesity (5%) increase risk in roughly that order, in an additive fashion. These have been identified in the US, Italian and Asian populations also.

Hope that helps!

Ref: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2521-4
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2021, 10:24:24 AM »
At the moment, we don't know if my wife has it or not.   She was tested a couple of days ago but it's a holiday weekend so I'm not sure when we'll know.    She's hot or clammy or normal.    She gets tired easily.   Sense of smell is lessened but not completely gone.   
Doctor called this morning to let my wife know she tested negative.   So it's just "the usual winter crud" instead.   She still fells yucky but we don't need to be unduly concerned over it suddenly turning life-threatening for her and the whole family.

It also means we weren't careful enough because the same actions that protect against getting covid should have protected her against what she has. 

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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2021, 03:42:02 AM »
At the moment, we don't know if my wife has it or not.   She was tested a couple of days ago but it's a holiday weekend so I'm not sure when we'll know.    She's hot or clammy or normal.    She gets tired easily.   Sense of smell is lessened but not completely gone.   
Doctor called this morning to let my wife know she tested negative.   So it's just "the usual winter crud" instead.   She still fells yucky but we don't need to be unduly concerned over it suddenly turning life-threatening for her and the whole family.

It also means we weren't careful enough because the same actions that protect against getting covid should have protected her against what she has.

Really glad to hear that! Loss of a sense of smell was the early-warning sign in my household. My wife lost her sense of smell a good week before I came down symptoms. I keep a personal diary which turned out to be very useful afterwards in tracking the symptoms.

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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2021, 06:14:25 AM »
At the moment, we don't know if my wife has it or not.   She was tested a couple of days ago but it's a holiday weekend so I'm not sure when we'll know.    She's hot or clammy or normal.    She gets tired easily.   Sense of smell is lessened but not completely gone.   
Doctor called this morning to let my wife know she tested negative.   So it's just "the usual winter crud" instead.   She still fells yucky but we don't need to be unduly concerned over it suddenly turning life-threatening for her and the whole family.

It also means we weren't careful enough because the same actions that protect against getting covid should have protected her against what she has.

My daughter got what we would normally consider a routine winter cold on NYE. We had her tested to be safe and she was neg. But same as you, now we are wondering: how did she get a cold? Possible options include playing outside with two kids, her babysitter, or me (I go in to work sometimes). None of those people were symptomatic but maybe we were asymptomatic carriers of a cold. And of course this was the only time she played with kids for the last 2 months.... We let her play outside only with her two beat friends since cases are finally dropping.  So now we are back to babysitter only, I guess.

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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2021, 07:41:58 AM »
My brother has it now (40 yr old) and got it from work.  All 3 people that were in the office that day contracted it.  He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine, Prednisone, and told to take vitamin C, D, and Zinc daily.  Additionally his spouse was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine and told to take the same vitamins as a precaution. 

He's been achy and has a cough that keeps him up a night.  He seems to be coming out of it but has said it has been hard on his body.  He fell in the camp that the virus was overblown but they are now getting rid of any furniture that he has used during his quarantine upstairs.

Good luck

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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2021, 08:23:01 AM »
My place of work is a government facility.  3 people from my same building have died.  All three were AA and either security or janitorial. 
The rest of us have much more flexibility in being able to WFH either part-time or all-time. 

We also have had two suicides of people on the same work facility since COVID began which they are loosely attributing to COVID.  (not sure of details.

One neighbor has died from COVID and her whole family became infected but recovered. Her two school-age children now live with their Aunt.  Another parent of a student at my neighborhood school has just died and the student is moving out of state to live with another relative.   

I wonder if any of the COVID-deniers or anti-maskers have to think about what to do with children when their caregivers have died? 

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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2021, 09:10:55 AM »
I wonder if any of the COVID-deniers or anti-maskers have to think about what to do with children when their caregivers have died?

I don't think it even enters their minds until it's too late and they are directly affected. It all ties into the mentality of "Me first, greater good of society last" and "If it wasn't so bad for me, it couldn't possibly be so bad for anyone else."

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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2021, 10:14:25 AM »
I wonder if any of the COVID-deniers or anti-maskers have to think about what to do with children when their caregivers have died?

I don't think it even enters their minds until it's too late and they are directly affected. It all ties into the mentality of "Me first, greater good of society last" and "If it wasn't so bad for me, it couldn't possibly be so bad for anyone else."
True! 
I live in an urban area, and the African-American community is absolutely being decimated here.  My neighborhood is mixed-income, so everything from rich lawyers, members of congress, and astronauts to public housing residents.  The low-income residents work in service sectors from grocery stores, fast-food, and healthcare.  They are the ones leaving home every day and going to work so the rest of us can function from home.  The neighborhood kids seem to recognize the impact first when their school friends have to move away because their only parent has just died. 
I admit, if I weren't seeing this with my own eyes, I just wouldn't grasp the inequality of the impact. 

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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2021, 10:25:04 AM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently, when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later, and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.
I just want to say thank you for making a difference Abe and send you a virtual hug and a pat on the back.


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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2021, 01:03:25 PM »
I wonder if any of the COVID-deniers or anti-maskers have to think about what to do with children when their caregivers have died?

I don't think it even enters their minds until it's too late and they are directly affected. It all ties into the mentality of "Me first, greater good of society last" and "If it wasn't so bad for me, it couldn't possibly be so bad for anyone else."

You're clearly ready to move to America.  You already know how 45% of the nation thinks.

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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2021, 07:40:08 AM »
I wonder if any of the COVID-deniers or anti-maskers have to think about what to do with children when their caregivers have died?

I don't think it even enters their minds until it's too late and they are directly affected. It all ties into the mentality of "Me first, greater good of society last" and "If it wasn't so bad for me, it couldn't possibly be so bad for anyone else."

You're clearly ready to move to America.  You already know how 45% of the nation thinks.

One thing I will miss dearly about the Philippines is that virtually everyone complies with face masks and face shields, and practically all public places (offices, malls, etc) have set up temperature scanners, hand sanitizers in every corner, and constant cleaning routines. By law, public places can deny entry to anyone not wearing the face mask+shield combo. You can't just wear one or the other.

I heard one American expat comment "You get the feeling that people are actually looking out for each other here."
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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2021, 12:52:45 PM »
I have not personally been infected with COVID but one of my patients died of it early on after being hospitalized for unrelated reasons. Obviously, I can't share details but they were in the hospital for a few weeks then became unexpectedly sick. We suspected COVID early, began aggressive treatment even before testing confirmed it, yet he still died. Shortly afterwards our hospital ICUs started to fill up with COVID patients, many of whom did not leave alive. The hardest moment was calling his son the last time and giving him the news. I remember it vividly because though I have been a bearer of bad news many times, everyone in that ICU room was making the same call to a different family. And the alarms were going off in every room. Code carts were scattered about, empty. Afterwards I stepped outside and saw people restaurant-hopping as if this disease would not touch them, and the next day saw one person dragged out in handcuffs shouting conspiracy theories at our staff as we left the hospital. Afterwards we had police guarding the exits and walkways to the parking decks.  The physical scars may be short-lived (or for some, not) but the mental scars will take longer. I did not appreciate this until recently when another patient was close to death and I was talking to his son. 

For me, it was a turning point where I realized that the only people who are looking out for my family when s* hits the fan were my family and close friends. It showed how easily the fabric of society frays, and any trust I had in it was lost then. As a healthcare worker, I realized that my duty to my patients was sacred, but I could not afford to risk joining the dead and leaving my child fatherless in a society that is so uncaring and cruel. Since then I have been very cautious with COVID patients, and though I don't think their care has suffered needlessly, it is probably not the best due to all the extra precautions that are necessary. That also weighs on me. Though I did not ultimately get COVID, that time waiting for it after such close exposures and the fecklessness I saw outside of the hospital hardened my heart in a way I did not appreciate until later and would have previously thought impossible. For those who have suffered - you are not alone and I am here to talk if you want.

@Abe you have been the voice of reason in these times of Covid that has calmed some of my fears from the very beginning.
I followed the news on Covid since it first showed up in China, then the news from Europe ...
It is challenging to stay rational in times like these.

Hardening your heart is a defense mechanism and there are times in everyone's life when we recognize that in order to survive both physically and emotionally, we need to distance and to protect ourselves and our nearest and dearest.
Society is what it is. There are those who are cruel and uncaring and selfish in the extreme and others who live in their own bubble, barely registering the world outside of it. There are also many of us who are a mix of the two depending on our personal involvement and past experiences.

We can only change ourselves. There is no shame in doing what is best for us especially in your situation. It may be an unhappy, uncomfortable feeling for those of us who have a giving and caring nature because it denies a part of us to be who we are at our core. However, once we recognize how dangerous this can become for us and our future, I think it is practically imperative to refuse to let others carelessly destroy our very lives.

It is a bitter awakening when it happens to you but the good thing is that we always have a choice.
Hardening our hearts doesn't mean we have to stop doing the good things or doing what is right or lose our compassion.
It simply means that we operate differently going forward.

Just wanted to say thank you for all your great posts about covid from stats to personal insights.

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Re: Share your experience with Covid (the disease)
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2021, 07:14:07 AM »
It simply means that we operate differently going forward.

How do you do this when ~45% of the country could care less? What does operating differently mean in this case?

And thank you @Abe for your thoughtful post!

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Re: Share your experience with Covid (the disease)
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2021, 08:42:13 AM »
It simply means that we operate differently going forward.

How do you do this when ~45% of the country could care less? What does operating differently mean in this case?

And thank you @Abe for your thoughtful post!

Where are these estimates of 40- 45% coming from?

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Re: Share your experience with Covid (the disease)
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2021, 05:21:18 PM »
It simply means that we operate differently going forward.

How do you do this when ~45% of the country could care less? What does operating differently mean in this case?

And thank you @Abe for your thoughtful post!

Thank you all. It's been something that had weighed on my chest for a while but didn't want to cloud the data with my personal feelings.