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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2015, 02:01:37 AM »
Yes the marine bathroom was a great idea, plus I do plan to live on a boat at some point in future, do good practice :)

We plan on putting this room as well as the main house on air BNB so if one is taken we will just stay in the other. 

Another plus, the money spent on the room will hopefully increase the property value, so it could be an even better investment than originally thought.

We stay in Johannesburg, South Africa.
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« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2015, 06:12:15 AM »
I would rent this space out instead of the main house.

Ops, just read your last post and see that you already considered this.
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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2015, 04:27:39 AM »
Spent the weekend measuring toilets and finding the right flooring and paint. One big plus is when you're working with such a small area that it's really cheap to finish.

I need 9 square meters of this wood laminate.

Don't you mean 90?

No 9 :)

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2015, 11:42:09 PM »
Did some accurate measurements last night. Seems I guessed incorrectly where the door was. That meant I had to adjust a few things. Latest layout:

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« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:54 AM »
Very cool design.

Since it's not going to be stealth mode, but legit with your country/province, can you extend your living space by adding an "outdoor room" at all?

Examples would be as simple as just a pergola kit (with maybe the screens for privacy) all the way up to one of those attached to the house greenhouse rooms.

Even a cheap option like a bolt on awning would awesome: some place to hang with the two dogs, depending on sun/windows it might help with winter heating, etc.

It isn't super cheap for a kit, but would make it less confining for year round...and also more rentable should you decide to go that option or airbnb versus renting the house.

You could also get a beater/barely functioning cargo van and park it near the house fixed up as a 'spare' bedroom, making the 99ft space all kitchen/workspace/bath...which would free up everything even more. Or a used Uhaul trailer or whatever...there are a lot of options if your SO begins to feel it's all too tight.

You don't mention the size of the dogs but having 5 dogs, I do know that space is an issue for them as well.

Please post us your final pics!!!




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« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2015, 06:43:59 AM »
Nice. I lived in 7.5 sq m when I first moved to Paris. Toilet out on the landing but shower and kitchenette in the room. It was a squeeze, but good fun.

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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2015, 08:40:06 AM »
Time for another update. The builder came past and suggested we change the bathroom from a partition to sandblasted glass. That'll still let light through, give privacy, and thank to how thin the glass is, save a little space. He also suggested we change the bathroom layout, all looks good to me:









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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2015, 08:53:50 AM »
I really like that bed spartana, I'm imagining a folding down table attached to the underside would also be great if you needed a desk or dinner table. I'll see what the Fiance says about it and if she's happy for me to attempt some DIY.

I have a feeling it'll get put onto hold for a while as we're in quite a rush to get into the room.
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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2015, 07:47:51 AM »
But I'd seriously do a asset up with a wall bed (Murphy style bed) as you can have both seating (and some have couches, desk and end tables built in) as well as extra storage cabinets. They make them fold out both from the top doen as well as sideways and they use regular size double mattresses.

One more vote for Murphy beds. I believe that this is an American thing, but I could be wrong.

Check this out, https://www.murphybeds.com/

There are kits available to build your own murphy bed.

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« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2015, 08:26:59 AM »
Check out this hack for building your own murphy bed...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Ikea-Hack-Murphy-Bed-with-Sliding-Doors/


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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2015, 09:14:55 AM »
Very cool design. Looking forward to the final pictures.

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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2015, 12:46:01 PM »

a) The regulations should be fine, we'll have to see how much light there is. I haven't measured the window perfectly, but it's very high and I think it will end up around 1.5 meters wide.
b) All depends on where the bathroom wall lines up, again I'll have to see.
c) There shouldn't be any electrical in the bathroom. Shaver ports are not big in this country like they are in the rest of the world, we still use blades :)


How about a hair dryer?  Not saying it needs to be IN the bathroom but make a note over the next few days of everything you need a wall outlet for and decide where they need to be.  One for the alarm clock?  Charging cell phones?  Kitchen appliances?  Laptop plugin? 

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« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2015, 09:26:02 PM »
Let's put it this way - I need space to breathe. I lived in a space like that once, after 6 months I was ready for bedlam.

However, I like the design on paper and it will be interesting to see how you like it in another year. As far as the bed, the Europeans have beds that flip up and there is an entire mattress size storage space underneath. It isn't a Murphy bed which would make sense, but I prefer my bed to be there when I want to lay down and storage is at a premium in a place this size.

As long as you have access to the outside, like dining outside or BBQ outside, it might help and I'm sure the critters would enjoy it a great deal more too.

Good luck, it is nice to save money and since it is not a permanent 24/7 arrangement it might work well for you. Great job on coming up with a functional design.

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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2015, 11:14:34 AM »
Hmmm...if you did a couch/sofa-murphy bed combo (or even a fixed bed, with storage underneath) would some airliner-style overhead storage bins be helpful?  You wouldn't want to have to access them all the time and you would want to be careful of having something stick too far out (either because of the reduced visible space or because of the risk of bumping your head) but as long as you don't normally stand on your bed or on the back of your couch, you could get some extra storage space without sacrificing floor area.

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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2015, 11:36:31 AM »
Oh yeah, definitely doable. The wife and I lived for a year in a van during college so its definitely possible with a space that size. Especially if all you want to do is sleep/relax in there.

The great thing about living in small spaces is how efficient you get. Its a great way to keep you from buying useless stuff. Plus you start to see the world of living spaces in a whole new light. Houses/apartments other people won't touch because of their size suddenly become mansions to you.

So yeah, definitely go for it! Efficient living should always be encouraged!

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2015, 11:44:15 AM »
I would just put the bed on plastic risers, and use large plastic storage boxes under. Lots cheaper then custom built and just as functional for the space. I lived in 750 sq ft with my dh and 3 kids, and that is what we did. Clothes, toys, linens can all go in the tubs. I would put a nice looking, shallow shelf high above the bed for anything you want easier access to. (Glasses, book, water, phone).

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2015, 03:10:27 PM »
What do you mean by plastic risers, it's not something I've heard of before.

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« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2015, 04:22:49 PM »
Eat, shit, sleep, in that order, literally. Lol looking good.

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2015, 01:26:11 AM »
What do you mean by plastic risers, it's not something I've heard of before.

These. Ever popular for college students:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/5148131

Ah got it. You're a lot more high tec than us, we simply use bricks. This has the added value of keeping the tokoloshe away http://cryptidz.wikia.com/wiki/Tokoloshe

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2015, 12:48:45 AM »
So the room is now cleared, and the plumbing going in!

Broom and short pipe mark the bed, long pipe is the bathroom divider. Feels spacious!


Bathroom changed design after speaking to the plumber. Our builder says he can knock out that protrusion in the wall for a little more space.


Had some left over yellow shower tiles so we thought we'd give that a try. We're going to raise the bathroom up about 12cm so we can curve it down to the drain.

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« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2015, 03:36:51 PM »
Cool. . . excited to see the final product!

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2015, 06:55:18 PM »
Neat! Where I live, you have to have 15 inches clearance from the middle of the toilet to any obstructions, do you have similar laws? And where'd you get that tiny sink? It's amazing! I plan on putting a bathroom in on my first floor that will be about that size.

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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2015, 12:15:31 PM »
Any updates on the new room? I'm excited to see how it is going!

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« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2015, 02:04:26 PM »
Well yes and no, our builder is fully booked until mid September, but our plumber put a toilet and basin in temporarily so we can use the room. We also bought a bed and a bedside table was left behind by an airbmb guest, the exact one we wanted! It was too big for then to carry home, score us!  We have the gym 200m away for showers at the moment. We also have a portable stove and table as the kitchen. It's kind of like camping, but with a great bed. We really can't wait to get it done either though. Here's how it looks now:
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« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2015, 02:52:01 PM »
For some insight and ideas on tiny house living, I've been watching free episodes of "Tiny House Nation" from the channel FYI.  There are several episodes that are available for free online without a cable subscription sign-on (www.fyi.tv/shows/tiny-house-nation).

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« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2015, 12:19:57 AM »
this is so awesome!

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« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2015, 05:59:13 AM »
have you ever seen something called a murphy bed?  might solve your height issues but not your bathroom issues.  it would leave you more living space for the day time

http://www.homedit.com/murphy-bed-design-ideas/

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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2015, 10:03:42 AM »
What's right outside that room? I'm wondering if you could claim some of that space. For instance, if it's a hallway, the door to the room could actually be in the hallway, giving you some extra space.

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« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2015, 12:07:31 AM »
What's right outside that room? I'm wondering if you could claim some of that space. For instance, if it's a hallway, the door to the room could actually be in the hallway, giving you some extra space.
On the window side there's a small garden, but we're not allowed to alter anything exterior, so I can't put in a door. No space anyway. The other side is a few steps leading down to the communal parking lot.

Oh and we've been living in there for 2 weeks now while our place is on airBNB. I'm showering at the office during the week, and the gym on weekend. It works, and my wife is making a fortune so will hopefully pay the apartment off in 3 years if she saves all of the money!

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« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2015, 01:30:47 AM »
I'm a small space junkie and I can't believe I missed this thread! SO cool that you've incorporated other people's ideas into your design. I have something similar. My retirement home is 1865 sf and it has a 180 sf attached casita (guest house) with a separate entrance. I plan on juggling renting out one and living in the other the other during my retirement, according to the season. I love the idea that I can just move back and forth to generate income as needed. I know my casita is a monster compared to your project, but I have some suggestions based on experience that I hope will be helpful.

Kitchen storage might be beefed up a bit. I have a table and chairs, but end up sitting on the bed most of the time. Cabinets/drawers underneath (to the left of the sink, toward the door) might be more useful than empty space for chairs. Could you install cabinets and then a pull down, hinged table that rests on top of the cabinets and projects out just far enough to use as an eating ledge? Ikea sells cute chairs that fold flat and could hang on the wall above the bed when not in use. If that doesn't appeal, you could at least build shallow shelves under the table to act as a pantry of sorts.

I would also consider a high shelf anywhere there's room, even over the entry door. There are step stools that fold flat, or the aforementioned sturdy folding chairs might be able to do double duty, depending on the style you choose. I'd add shelving along the kitchen wall, as others have suggested. Also, install a hotel type towel rack high on the wall over the toilet to hold towels and for clothes drying.

I can't wait to see what happens in September. Keep the photos coming, please. And sorry for the American dimensions. I can math, therefore I can metric, but not in my head and certainly not after midnight.

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2015, 02:43:41 PM »
Thanks for the great suggestions Diane, we've decided to increase kitchen storage as you suggested, and you're right, the chairs aren't needed, so we'll leave them off.

Sadly for us, the builder cancelled. He had bigger more profitable jobs to do, so I'm looking for another one now.

We went camping last week. The wife and I laughed that the tent was the same square meterage as the mini-apartment! Up till now we've spent over 40  days in it, with one 21 day stretch. I love it, but my wife says her clothes smell like dinner... Something to think about...

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« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2015, 03:26:34 PM »
I like this, and I'm happy that you've decided to make it a potential airbnb rental when it's done. The big take-away for me is how one outside-the-box idea -- in this case, the marine washroom -- makes all the rest of it so much better.

A few things I would consider:
-you definitely have room for storage -- shelves, perhaps -- over the door.
-make sure you have enough kitchen storage for a garbage container.
-don't forget dirty laundry storage.
-if you ever cook anything greasy, the bed will pick up the smells. Maybe a tight-woven bedspread would help. Or not cooking anything greasy.
-try to fit a tall mirror somewhere, ideally on the wall opposite the window. Typical advice is to have it on a wall perpendicular to the window to bounce more light into the room, but in a tiny space you also want to think about the psychological benefits of (natural) light coming from two opposite sources (see A Pattern Language for more).

Good luck with this! It's a great idea!

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« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2015, 12:43:09 AM »
Time for an update. Some progress, and some body corporate issues.

Let's start with the issues:
As we're not changing anything outside the unit, and not running any new pipes in or out, we weren't even sure we needed permission, but being good residents we asked the head of the body corporate.

He confirmed, they have no problem what we do on the inside of our section. Then with the usual builders delays, we only really got the work started in November. We have a new body corporate in place, and they somehow took offense to us doing the work and told our builder to stop. They phoned the wife to see if she had permission and she said yes. Then they phoned the former head of the body corporate who said he never gave permission. Sadly for them we have the email granting permission, and this was duly sent.

After that, for a reason I just can't figure out, they sent armed guards to the builder, and then to my wife's place of work threatening her to stop the work. My wife was very shaken and near tears throughout the day, and hugely embarrassed as she is a hair salon owner, and the place was full of customers.

We did go see the woman from the body corporate and she still says that we have to stop the (paid for) work, though she did offer her apology for sending the armed guards.

The next day I called the managing agents and spoke to their lawyer. As we rightly assumed in the beginning, we never required their permission to do any work on the inside of the apartment, but being able to live there is a separate issue. From my understanding of the law, there are three ways to class a section of a property. One is your section, which is habitable, the other is parking, and the third is a store room. This piece wasn't mentioned on the plans, so it's a bit of a gray area. The room does meet all the requirements for a habitable space, it has an entrance, an escape option, the roof is over 7 foot high, and the window meets the required minimum size. It also had plumbing. My guess is that the previous owner intended it to be a maids room or something to that effect.

On a side note, we found out that the body corporate incorrectly allocated two parking bays in our exclusive use area to other units. On top of that they charged them rent for them! We'll try use this in our favour should we need to argue about us living there.

And now on to the happier side, the updated photos. We're nearly done, just the finishing on the plumbing, electrical and glass work.

The kitchen:
 

Bathroom to be completed, but here you can see the floor and the window. Doesn't seem to be a view for a store room if you ask me:


sink and counter top:


Tiles, round is inside bathroom, square in kitchen:


Bathroom floor tiles:

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« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2015, 09:08:38 AM »
Beautiful finishes.

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« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2015, 09:22:06 AM »
Armed guards?

Wow.

It looks nice, and kudos for not being brow beaten by Gestapo tactics. If they previously sent, in writing, a "fine by us", you should at least be reimbursed for out of pocket expenses if they rule against you. Because the guy who sent it was the legal corporate dude at the time: you asked, they  said ok, you proceeded.

And the fact that they have collected rent for two spaces that are yours puts you in an awesome legal position: that's somewhere between outright fraud and theft of services.

Good luck! It looks nice, btw.

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« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2015, 09:36:58 AM »
whats a "body Corporate" an HOA ??

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« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2015, 11:06:42 AM »
Holy cow. Next time I hear of an HOA being a PITA, I'll just remember- at least they didn't send armed guards!

Sorry you're having to go through this. Looks great though.

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« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2015, 11:10:51 AM »
Armed guards?

Wow.

It looks nice, and kudos for not being brow beaten by Gestapo tactics. If they previously sent, in writing, a "fine by us", you should at least be reimbursed for out of pocket expenses if they rule against you. Because the guy who sent it was the legal corporate dude at the time: you asked, they  said ok, you proceeded.

And the fact that they have collected rent for two spaces that are yours puts you in an awesome legal position: that's somewhere between outright fraud and theft of services.

Good luck! It looks nice, btw.
^This^. Very nice, in fact! Thanks for the update. Can't wait for the next chapter.

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« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2015, 12:01:59 AM »
So all is in apart from the shower section. We've also been staying in the room for the last two days, and it is quite cozy! The glass will only happen next year, as unlike you northern hemisphere folks, it's summer holidays here, and most industries shut down. Anyway, here are the pictures, excuse the quality, I had the light in front of me for a few of the shots:










So, I think we can totally live in under 100 square feet (9sqm). I could do it permanently, but I think my wife would only be able to manage to short periods of time.

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« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2015, 01:11:27 AM »
patrickza, it looks amazing!  Way to go.  :-)

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« Reply #90 on: December 15, 2015, 11:14:05 PM »
I love it!

I would totally do it, my DW not so much. I might be able to get her to stay in a studio for 4 month next year. Maybe after that she will be more open to a tiny house.

Love the way you designed it.

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« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2015, 10:35:42 AM »
That looks phenomenal!

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« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2015, 12:14:23 PM »
I'm very impressed. Both at the super-mustachian idea, as well as the quality execution.

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« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2015, 12:23:59 PM »
Wow, this looks amazing! So cool to see it from just an idea to full exectution in less than five minutes (I hadn't seen the original thread). How much did it cost, and how much have you been making on air bnb?

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« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2015, 12:29:41 PM »
This looks so great! I would totally live there. Even better would be to have an easy to access outdoor area, but that was already brought up I saw.

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« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2015, 12:56:29 PM »
That looks fantastic!

Maybe I missed it, but did you list your final costs?

And good luck with the body corporate :)

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« Reply #96 on: December 17, 2015, 03:54:49 PM »
When I first started reading the thread i thought you were nuts! haha but as I went on i got roped in. Went from saying no F***ing way to yea i can do it! well done you made ME a believer!

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« Reply #97 on: December 17, 2015, 09:47:24 PM »
Thanks everyone. I can take pretty much none of the credit, all I did was draw some pictures. My wife did the hard work managing the builder and choosing the materials.

How much did it cost, and how much have you been making on air bnb?
Cost us around $4000 in the end, which is pretty much our December airBNB takings (we've booked out every day in December apart from 2!). We're definitely in profit already!

Sorry if I missed an earlier summary, but are all your possessions stored in the space, or do you have storage elsewhere?
Only the things we need are stored inside. Most of the stuff we have is still in the apartment.

glass walls or solid walls or both?
Frost glass. We want to keep the light flowing, so there won't be any walls, just 2 meter tall frost glass around the shower area.

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #98 on: December 17, 2015, 10:40:52 PM »
Thanks everyone. I can take pretty much none of the credit, all I did was draw some pictures. My wife did the hard work managing the builder and choosing the materials.

How much did it cost, and how much have you been making on air bnb?
Cost us around $4000 in the end, which is pretty much our December airBNB takings (we've booked out every day in December apart from 2!). We're definitely in profit already!

Sorry if I missed an earlier summary, but are all your possessions stored in the space, or do you have storage elsewhere?
Only the things we need are stored inside. Most of the stuff we have is still in the apartment.

glass walls or solid walls or both?
Frost glass. We want to keep the light flowing, so there won't be any walls, just 2 meter tall frost glass around the shower area.
Wow profitable after a month, that's badass! I'm planning on building a 900 square foot 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house after I'm done finishing my rental, and all my coworkers think I'm crazy and shouldn't own a house without 4 bedrooms 3 bathrooms and 3000 square feet. Currently I have a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house, as well as a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom manufactured home that I put on a basement/garage/foundation. Currently working on finishing that, but both of these are far too big for me and my girlfriend so I'll rent them both out.

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Re: Could you live in a room this size...
« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2015, 05:50:14 AM »
Thanks everyone. I can take pretty much none of the credit, all I did was draw some pictures. My wife did the hard work managing the builder and choosing the materials.

How much did it cost, and how much have you been making on air bnb?
Cost us around $4000 in the end, which is pretty much our December airBNB takings (we've booked out every day in December apart from 2!). We're definitely in profit already!

Amazing! Congrats!!!