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Beard N Bones

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Coffee Roasters
« on: March 08, 2018, 09:37:01 PM »
I'm considering purchasing a small commercial coffee roaster (1-2kg batch size). There is going to be a high end restaurant opening their doors in the fall of 2018 and the restaurant owner loves the coffee that I roast. He's mentioned that he'd love if I would supply the coffee for the restaurant (not to serious how he is at this point). I've got some discussions to be had with him in the near future. I currently use a Behmor 1600 of which I like for my personal use. But I don't see it as a good option for roasting 20 or 30 lbs of coffee in  a month.

Anyone mustacians have experience with small commercial /shop roasters? I'm looking for recommendations and advice. I'm currently inquiring about a used Mill City 1kg Roaster. The dream would be a 2kg Roaster - but spending 10G on one is daunting at this point!

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2018, 06:28:55 AM »
I'm considering purchasing a small commercial coffee roaster (1-2kg batch size). There is going to be a high end restaurant opening their doors in the fall of 2018 and the restaurant owner loves the coffee that I roast. He's mentioned that he'd love if I would supply the coffee for the restaurant (not to serious how he is at this point). I've got some discussions to be had with him in the near future. I currently use a Behmor 1600 of which I like for my personal use. But I don't see it as a good option for roasting 20 or 30 lbs of coffee in  a month.

Anyone mustacians have experience with small commercial /shop roasters? I'm looking for recommendations and advice. I'm currently inquiring about a used Mill City 1kg Roaster. The dream would be a 2kg Roaster - but spending 10G on one is daunting at this point!

I've posted roasting threads here before, but they get very little attention.  Apparently not common amongst mustachians.  I'd be surprised if you hear much from anyone other than me.

I have a Behmor 1600.  It will not work for your intended goal.  Way too much work, and the reproducibilty is probably too poor for commercial intentions.  It's a great value machine (actually the most mustachian machine), but as soon as you upgrade from beginner skill level you will have outgrown it.  For myself I was about to buy a Huky, Kaldi, or R1 Bullet, but some life events occurred which are delaying me from purchasing for ~1 year.  I have researched these three a bit... either of them might work for your target goal.

The Huky has the largest cult following and longest track record of success.  It has a very helpful user base community.  It is the least expensive of the three (~$1800 w/ shipping) but comes piece-meal.  The Kaldi is the newest, mid price range (maybe $2400), less track record, good performance from what I've heard.  The R1 has a small cult following of fanatics, and has some very interesting technology options (induction heating so no gas needed, small foot print, proprietary software rather than Artisan, etc...), but has had a lot of problems along the way.  My impression is that many of the problems have been ironed out, but the R1 user community is not open to rational debate about the pros/cons of the roaster and it appears to hinders the development of the machine.  I am going to reevaluate everything in a year and then purchase.

Most people will caution you on trying to make any commercial aspirations work without getting a 5kg minimum machine.  Of course that's a beefy price tag.

The Mill City brand is supposed to be good, but you should be aware that they are actually made in China.  Therefore, it's often recommended to purchase directly from China rather than via the middle man (Mill City).  Mill City might have sole sourced it at this point though.  I've read a lot of threads complaining about Mill City in this regards... some complaints about the owner as well.
You can likely get a better value roaster than that particular one. 

If you simply want to roast large masses of coffee without particular concern of the quality, you can purchase drums that can be inserted into a BBQ grill.  This is easily the most cost efficient way to go, but your quality will not be above amateur.  With so many coffee roasters out there nowadays, and all of them using standard roasters like Mill City, it's hard to imagine it would work out in your favor.  But hey, maybe coffee aficionados are fancy pants snobs and blind taste testing would fool everyone...


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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2018, 12:34:18 PM »
I know nothing about roasting coffee but Nicole at Holler Roast Coffee would be a good person to ask. She’s a small batch roaster who completed a successful Kickstarter last year to dramatically upgrade her roaster capacity.

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2018, 03:48:52 PM »

I've posted roasting threads here before, but they get very little attention.  Apparently not common amongst mustachians.  I'd be surprised if you hear much from anyone other than me.

I have a Behmor 1600.  It will not work for your intended goal.  Way too much work, and the reproducibilty is probably too poor for commercial intentions.  It's a great value machine (actually the most mustachian machine), but as soon as you upgrade from beginner skill level you will have outgrown it.  For myself I was about to buy a Huky, Kaldi, or R1 Bullet, but some life events occurred which are delaying me from purchasing for ~1 year.  I have researched these three a bit... either of them might work for your target goal.

The Huky has the largest cult following and longest track record of success.  It has a very helpful user base community.  It is the least expensive of the three (~$1800 w/ shipping) but comes piece-meal.  The Kaldi is the newest, mid price range (maybe $2400), less track record, good performance from what I've heard.  The R1 has a small cult following of fanatics, and has some very interesting technology options (induction heating so no gas needed, small foot print, proprietary software rather than Artisan, etc...), but has had a lot of problems along the way.  My impression is that many of the problems have been ironed out, but the R1 user community is not open to rational debate about the pros/cons of the roaster and it appears to hinders the development of the machine.  I am going to reevaluate everything in a year and then purchase.

Most people will caution you on trying to make any commercial aspirations work without getting a 5kg minimum machine.  Of course that's a beefy price tag.

The Mill City brand is supposed to be good, but you should be aware that they are actually made in China.  Therefore, it's often recommended to purchase directly from China rather than via the middle man (Mill City).  Mill City might have sole sourced it at this point though.  I've read a lot of threads complaining about Mill City in this regards... some complaints about the owner as well.
You can likely get a better value roaster than that particular one. 

If you simply want to roast large masses of coffee without particular concern of the quality, you can purchase drums that can be inserted into a BBQ grill.  This is easily the most cost efficient way to go, but your quality will not be above amateur.  With so many coffee roasters out there nowadays, and all of them using standard roasters like Mill City, it's hard to imagine it would work out in your favor.  But hey, maybe coffee aficionados are fancy pants snobs and blind taste testing would fool everyone...

Thanks for the reply Case.  I agree with you - the Behmor 1600 is the ideal home roaster.  I love it.  But like I said, I don't think it would be practical in handling the quantity of beans that I plan on roasting.  Furthermore, if I am going to be selling freshly roasted beans en masse, than I expect that I will be able to have pretty good reproducibility and consistency in my roast.  The Behmor is great, but is very hard to be consistent with.  I'm going to look into the Huky, Kaldi, and R1 as you've recommended.  I appreciate the recommendation!

...I wish I was in China and could see the machines they have there in person.

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2018, 05:44:51 PM »
I know nothing about roasting coffee but Nicole at Holler Roast Coffee would be a good person to ask. She’s a small batch roaster who completed a successful Kickstarter last year to dramatically upgrade her roaster capacity.

Is that a plug for a friend or something? Seems totally random.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 07:42:05 PM by Case »

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 07:18:49 AM »
I know nothing about roasting coffee but Nicole at Holler Roast Coffee would be a good person to ask. She’s a small batch roaster who completed a successful Kickstarter last year to dramatically upgrade her roaster capacity.

Is that a plug for a friend or something? Seems totally random.

She’s a frequent guest on a podcast I listen to and seemed really knowledgeable but I didn’t realize how common small coffee roasting was.

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2018, 03:49:53 PM »
I only roast coffee on a very small, personal use scale, so no help here.

However, if you do continue to consider it, look into how much of a hassle maintaining a commercial kitchen license will require.  A friend's mom was a nutritionist and had her home kitchen certified, so I know you can do that, but it also comes with lots of rules and inspections.  Just another thing to think about if you want to be a supplier for someone.

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2018, 04:31:05 PM »
What? You can't just use a toaster oven?

Sorry...not helpful. I just love coffee and want to follow.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2018, 11:50:40 AM »
So I've done a TON of research into small commercial roasters.  If a person is looking for value (great quality for best price), it looks like the Asian-made roasters are the best.  From what I read, most of the roasters are of good/great quality.  It comes down to customer support.  The two companies (and I have no affiliation with either of them) that seem to stand out are: 

Mill City Roasters look like they are pretty good.  https://millcityroasters.com/
BC Roasters look like they are even better yet.  http://www.buckeyecoffee.com/bc-coffee-roasters.html

MCR look to have pretty good prices compared to many other roasting companies out there (I'm lookin at you European-made and US-made companies).  I read they have good product (and industry) support.
BC Roasters look to have the best price point for the machine you can buy.  But without a doubt, they are a much smaller company compared to MCR.  Their website is NOT attractive or user friendly.   But they product some really helpful videos.  And they have a ton of information on their website.  I'm leaning toward the 2018 BC-3MD roaster as being the ideal roaster for my situation.  I've given more information regarding my possible side-hustle on the following thread:

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/entrepreneurship/coffee-roasting-side-hustle/msg1931634/#msg1931634

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2018, 01:21:56 AM »
What? You can't just use a toaster oven?

Sorry...not helpful. I just love coffee and want to follow.

I roast green coffee beans at home in a Whirley Pop over a cast iron pan and it works just fine for my purposes. Smokes up the house something awful but the cost savings is worthwhile.

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Re: Coffee Roasters
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2018, 06:56:59 AM »
I currently use a Mill City Roaster 1kg, gas drum roaster and have put at least 1500 lbs through it in the past 2 yrs. They are great machines and I have no complaints.

While I could go into depth and you are welcome to reach out to me at grumpygoatcoffee.com, here are the things I have learned and recommend to everyone that reaches out to me.

The smallest roaster you should consider is a 1kg, the next size up should be a 3 or 5kg. Don't bother with a 2kg as it won't give you the ability to scale in the roasting business.

You can expect about 8-10lbs of roasted beans per hr on a 1kg roaster, so this can keep up with demand if you are willing to spend time in front of the machine.

Figure out where you are going to source the beans and what they cost. I have chosen to focus on gourmet/specialty coffees as I don't want to compete with commercial/mass production roasting companies.

Lastly, determine where you are going to sell the beans other than restaurants as they likely won't be your high margin customers.