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Cleaning your own damn house
« on: April 09, 2020, 01:30:35 PM »
First, a confession.  We have cleaning person.  With two parents with full time jobs and two small kids, I'd rank it as the best $2600 I spend a year.  However, due to the pandemic we paid her for a couple months and told her we'd text to restart when things calm down.

So now we have to keep the house clean on our own.  And in addition we're home all the time with two small kids, who are not exactly known for tidiness and cleanliness.  And we're cooking even more than usual because the kids aren't getting school breakfast and lunch like usual.  So it's a bit of a recipe for chaos.

Luckily, I know there are badasses on here who do this well and efficiently all the time, and I'm hoping you are willing to share your tricks with me.  How do you keep on top of the cleaning in addition to dishes and laundry?  How often are you doing tasks like cleaning the bathrooms, vacuuming, and mopping? How much time does it take a week?  Do you have a system to keep on top of it or do you just do what needs to be done?
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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2020, 01:45:24 PM »
We are in a similar situation, although cancelled the house cleaning a few years ago. We have weekly chores (bathrooms, vacuuming, kitchen), but we also don't have pets. I'd add that if we have a pet that's shedding, we'd be vacuuming & cleaning more often.

We also have noticed that we now need to double the frequency of the cleaning across all of those elements, given that we are all at home all day & using the bathrooms, kitchen, etc much more often.

I don't know that I have any tricks. I just add kitchen deep clean one day, vacuum another, and bathrooms a third. And, then we try & reclean again on the weekends. It's a hassle to double down, but a few things that are helping right now:
-We keep the house in reasonably good shape all week (wipe down the counters, dishes out of the sinks, etc)
-We enlist the kids where possible. They are not great at the details (13 & 14), but help with emptying the trash, running the vacuum, etc.

We're juggling a lot right now, so I'd say to be flexible with your own expectations as well!

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2020, 01:57:07 PM »
Similar situation here except that we're finding that we're able to stay tidier and keep up with cleaning these days because both DH's and my work has slowed down. (DH in fact got furloughed Friday; my client work is down about 70%.) Are you both still working from home (or trying to)?

A few things that are working for us:

--DH or I clean the kitchen after every meal. Partly so we can disinfect counters periodically (thus they need to be cleaned off); partly just to stay on top of the constant use of dishes, pots, pans, etc. We have the kids (5yo and 7yo) bus their dishes to the dishwasher. Having a dishwasher is a lifesaver; we are running it every day. The 5yo likes to help wash dishes.

--We are getting pretty strict about having the kids pick up after themselves throughout the day. We have the luxury of a playroom so they can have a mess in there (that we clean up every couple of weeks), but when they drag stuff into other parts of the house, DH is especially vigilant in having kids put that stuff away when they're done.

--I have been sanitizing bathrooms every Saturday - just go BR to BR and spray down sink, toilet, tub. Takes about 20 minutes total to hit 2.5 bathrooms.

--I run the vacuum every day or two which keeps crumbs, dust, crud tracked in from outside, to a minimum. Takes less than 10 minutes. 5yo likes to help with this.

--DH and I make our bed every morning. Whatever chaos happens during the day, this helps us feel somewhat in control and on top of things. :)

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

Hope some of that helps!

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2020, 02:05:47 PM »
Kind of in the same situation.
Before we hadn our second child we would do everything each Saturday.
After it was harder.
Now we try to do the following:
When we all leave the house for one hour I start our robot vacuum.
It does much better than I expected. I chose a cheaper one, a 350 usd Samsung.
When we get back we use a steam cleaner on all the floors.

What helps is that all the house has hard floors.

Bathrooms take around 30 minutes and we do them once per week, not scheduled, when one of us has time for it.

Dishes - after each meal put them in the sink, if the dishwasher has space put them there...

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2020, 02:09:15 PM »
You're definitely jumping into the deep end of the pool. Our house gets dirtier and untidy faster when we're home more. I assume everyone else is the same. So you're being forced to take on this task at a time when it's a bigger task than normal.

My best advise is to prioritize. Dishes need to be done very regularly. Make sure all dishes go straight into the dishwasher right away. This keeps them from piling up on the counter. Run it as often as needed and check it in the evening before bed and run it again if it's at least 3/4 full. This let's you get a head start on the next day's dishes. For anything that needs to be hand washed, or just rinsed quickly, or won't fit in the dishwasher we have a double sink. One side is for washing and the other side is used as a drying rack. Try to get the kids to re-use dishes. Give them one cup for drinks and make them bring it back to you for rinsing and refills. Don't let them dirty half a dozen glasses every day. Same for snack dishes. Issue one snack bowl per day.

Also, now is a great time to start teaching your kids to help out. If they can walk and carry something, they can help. In the beginning it will only be "help", but it won't take long before they're actually helpful. This process is also important in teaching them not to be so messy in the first place, which is frankly more important. Just like with finances you can't outearn a spender and you can't out-clean a messy tornado person.

In normal times I vacuum once a week. Now that we're home all the time it's been twice a week. I only mop once every few months. We don't wear shoes in the house (if you do, stop) and we don't have a dog or cat. This keeps the floor in good shape. Again, kids 5+ can help vacuum. Little ones even think it's fun.

Bathrooms also get done once/week. I use a "many rags" method for bathrooms, dusting and wiping down the kitchen. Grab a bucket and a dirty laundry basket. Put a bunch of rags in the bucket with some all purpose cleaner, windex and bleach. Use one rag per cleaning task in the bathroom and just toss it in the laundry basket when you're done. Don't rinse them out. Ditto for any dusting. When you're done cleaning the bathroom (should only take 5 min) you can then start a load of laundry. Dusting happens as needed, we live in an area that's not very dusty so I don't sweat this one very much. Again, kids can do a lot of this too. Mine have always liked cleaning the bathroom mirror.

The most important thing is to keep the house tidy. Put your crap away when you're done with it. Make your kids do the same. If there's too much stuff, get rid of it. If your kids have too many toys, put half of them away. You can swap them in a couple weeks and the kids will act like the toys are brand new.

Doing things like meal planning and batch cooking will also help keep the chaos at bay. No need to cook twice when you can just make a big pot of something and stick half in the freezer. This also mean you only have to do the dishes once too.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2020, 02:22:30 PM »
1.  A simple rule is "the job's not finished until the tools have been put away".  So for meals the job of breakfast, lunch or tea/dinner is not finished until the dishes have been washed, any leftover food put away and the kitchen tidied, - it's not a job that's separate from the meal, it's part of the meal.  Only when the meal (ie all the dishwashing and tidying) is finished do you go on to the next job.

2.  No snacking.  3 meals a day is plenty, and if there is no snacking there is no mess between meals.   And no food or drink allowed anywhere that isn't the kitchen or dining room.

3.  As with meals, a part of playing (and also of working) is putting things away at the end.  Making it easy for things to be put away is key - for kids this means low-level storage such as woven baskets or drawers under the bed.  The fewer things there are in the house the easier it is to keep them tidy - if the house doesn't look tidy when everything is where it belongs you have too many things.

4.  No shoes in the house, ever.  Shoes come off at the entrance.  If the floors are cold that just means everyone needs slippers.  If you follow this rule and the rule limiting food to the kitchen and dining room you shouldn't need to hoover more than once a week (you may need to sweep the kitchen floor and entrances more often).

5.  Beds are left to air (ie bedding thrown back over the foot of the bed) until after breakfast, at which point they are made.  Laundering sheets can be cut in half by laundering only the bottom sheet, moving the top sheet down to the bottom and putting a clean sheet on the top (even if you use a duvet then use a top sheet as well - it's half the laundry of a duvet cover).

6.  I've no advice about bathrooms.  I hate cleaning bathrooms and haven't found any way around what needs doing.

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2020, 02:57:13 PM »
Google the Fly Lady System. It has been a major game changer.

We can keep our house tidy in just 15 minutes each a day, 30 minutes one day on the weekend. It is about creating zones and habits that are easy to follow.


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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2020, 05:45:47 PM »
1.  A simple rule is "the job's not finished until the tools have been put away".  So for meals the job of breakfast, lunch or tea/dinner is not finished until the dishes have been washed, any leftover food put away and the kitchen tidied, - it's not a job that's separate from the meal, it's part of the meal.  Only when the meal (ie all the dishwashing and tidying) is finished do you go on to the next job.

#1 was a gamechanger for me when I learned how to clean as an adult. See also: finding little moments throughout the day (like while the coffee is brewing) to tidy a few thing as well as using cues to regularly do a thing (like "before bed I wipe down the counters".)

Cleaning with others: if you have a spouse or roommate, the most effective chore-distribution criteria I found was "do what the other person hates". When we had to handwash, I'd do ALL the dishes if someone else would just do the utensils, I hated those. My SO loads the dishwasher and I empty it because for some reason he hates emptying it.

Technology: Check if your washing machine also has a delayed start timer - you can set it to finish when you wake up/finish your workout/whatever so that its easier to time/remember to rotate to the dryer.

Just surviving: prioritize things that DO need to get done (i.e. washing and drying laundry) but find tolerable solutions to things that DON'T need to be done (i.e. having a clean laundry basket so it doesn't actually matter if you don't fold.)

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2020, 05:50:39 PM »
I like UnF*ck Your Habitat approach.  Fly lady is good too, she just didn't work for me.  I turned UFYH's checklists into a google spreadsheet I update as I complete tasks.  Great if you love checking stuff off.  The blog is also simultaneously a kick in the pants as well as also being a bit geared toward people with disabilities who may not have the mental and/or physical resources to keep on top of everything all of the time, which I appreciate.

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2020, 06:08:29 PM »
I am the rare person who does not mind housework, and I don’t know if I have a System, but I definitely have a Routine. 

I’m a morning person and so my big chores were laid out so that I did them before I left the house at 7:45, and now that I’m retired I still do that stuff early before I get too involved in something else.

Mostly, though, I pickup as I go along. My family did eventually learn to pick up after themselves.

Clean up while you cook.
Run the dishwasher every night. Run it twice/day if you need to.
Do a load of laundry at least every other day. Start the wash first thing in the morning, put it in the dryer at lunch and fold it after dinner.

Once you get the routine worked out you don’t have to think about it any more.

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2020, 06:29:18 PM »
How often does your cleaner come and for how long? If they come once a week for say 3 hours, maybe you do that also. Approach it like the cleaner would - that's your only task for that 3 hours, just go hard and get it done.

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2020, 07:45:12 PM »
I hear you.  I'm exhausted: 8.5 months pregnant, 3 year old, DH & I have full-time (or more) jobs...  We got a monthly cleaner after we had our son, which saved greatly on therapy bills (mad disagreement over cleaning that led to me doing 95% of it...and we've now reverted back to that percentage now that she isn't here).  She was supposed to come just before this all hit, so our house is definitely in sad shape.

I really hate to say this, as it's what my husband always swore by, but you prioritize and then you lower your standards. 
- We try to keep up the kitchen, because otherwise it's depressing and difficult to cook.  (Really my MIL has been doing most of the dishes of late though...)  Dishes need to be run at least every day or they pile up.  Try to get your family to put dishes directly into the dishwasher.  (Sigh, haven't managed this one to stick with my family, despite 8.5 months pregnant note above.)
- I try to keep up on sweeping the floor, because it makes me feel like our house is even messier when looking at what all my 3 year old has trekked in.  (This despite a shoes off policy in the house.)
- Things that aren't getting cleaned or aren't getting cleaned as often as they should: tub, shower, vacuuming/sweeping upstairs in the bedrooms, cleaning appliances, etc.
- I enlist my 3 yo's help with unloading the dishwasher, because bending down these is exceedingly uncomfortable and we're running it so often these days.  He is desperate to help mommy (and it's actually a help, unlike sweeping the floor)
- I pick one (small if needed) thing a day to try to do.  Working out of our basement, which I hardly spent any time in previously, I realized it was in horrible shape as the cleaner doesn't clean there.  So one day I vacuumed, another I wiped down the bathroom sink, another I swept the bathroom, another I wiped down other surfaces in the basement, etc.
- Try to put things away as much as possible, as clutter begets clutter and it's more restful to look around the tidy (even if somewhat dirty) house

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2020, 09:38:16 PM »
@Captain FIRE , I'm so sorry.  Also, your husband needs to grow the f*$&(* up and help keep the house habitable. We sat down after we had kids and agreed on what frequency of cleaning what was a situation we could both live with.  We also agreed when the kids were maybe 5 and 7 that they were going to learn to clean their own houses: it's an important lesson to go out into the world with, they're helping make the mess and need to help clean it up, and (I've told this story elsewhere) I sat on a pee-sprinkled toilet seat one too many times and decided that since I wasn't the one making that mess it shouldn't always be me cleaning it.

As mentioned by former player, taking off shoes at the door helps a lot. I read the Dan Aslett book "making your house clean itself" (or something like that) and used a lot of the ideas in there to guide how we set up the house. For instance, most of our floors are hardwood, and can be cleaned with a 30 inch wide soft bristled push broom.  (I don't agree that three meals/day is enough -- growing kids sometimes need snacks, too.) We try to think through how we'll keep things fairly neat: snacks, for instance, should be easy to make and eat and clean up after. For small kids, this may mean there's a shelf in the fridge with mostly-made snacks on it that they can get for themselves. I'm a big fan of enabling kids to do whatever they can reasonably do -- I'm also not a fan of being woken up early, so when the kids were waking us up because they were hungry we went to a thrift shop, bought a couple of metal syrup pitchers, and left them in the fridge overnight 2/3 full of milk with a little container of breakfast cereal on the counter. Presto -- kids can make their own first breakfasts!

Our actual method: on Fridays, I look at the grocery story fliers and plan meals for the next week. At dinner on Friday I float my ideas past whomever is going to be home, and alter plans based on feedback (I also have ideas that can be adapted depending on what veggies look good, etc.). I typically go grocery shopping early Saturday morning, when the store is fairly empty.  I also push household laundry through on Saturday, typically: we combine everyone's laundry so we have relatively full cold, medium, and hot loads. I encourage people to wear (clean) outerwear more then once, if possible.

While I'm at the store, one kid does bathrooms (it took maybe 4ish months to establish what constitutes "clean" for a bathroom...) and the other vacuums the carpets, takes out the front mats and shakes them out and vacuums around that area, and puts the mats back. MrInCO sweeps. Every so often, when one of us adults notices there's dust building up on surfaces, we'll walk through with a damp cloth and wipe things off. Whomever notices the cat boxes smelling cleans them (honestly, that's me about 80% of the time). Things like windows and baseboards get cleaned a few times a year, when one of us notices they need it.

This, in combination with keeping the clutter down (and I do spend some mental energy thinking of ways to keep only what we need, and organize it so it's not cluttering up the place and yet is easy to get to) keeps the house in "friendly company" territory. Usually if we have someone over for dinner on Friday we'll make a pass around with a broom and/or vacuum, but the place is clean enough that we can have friends over.

Oh yeah -- we cook a lot, even during normal times. After a meal is consumed, everything is washed and (if a mess was made) wiped down. It stinks to go to start cooking a meal and first have to wash a bunch of dirty stuff in the sink and on the counter. I also wash as I cook, mostly, so it's less of a burden to clean up after. We run the dishwasher about every other day, and have about enough plates and stuff for that.

Kids can help cook (sometimes), set the table, clear the table, and wash up (or at least load the dishwasher) and dry. (Drying can be entertaining if you explain that they're also doing quality control for the washing.) Food is consumed in the kitchen, at the table, or outside. No exceptions!

When the kids were smaller, I helped them clean and organize their rooms every so often (and I do mean "helped" -- I don't get rid of other people's stuff, but sometimes they had to decide on priority of various bits of stuff, with a goal of being able to easily get to all the things they're keeping) , but if they're not eating in their rooms or wearing shoes in there, the actual dirt buildup should be slow.

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2020, 01:24:44 AM »
First, a confession.  We have cleaning person.  With two parents with full time jobs and two small kids, I'd rank it as the best $2600 I spend a year.  However, due to the pandemic we paid her for a couple months and told her we'd text to restart when things calm down.

So now we have to keep the house clean on our own.  And in addition we're home all the time with two small kids, who are not exactly known for tidiness and cleanliness.  And we're cooking even more than usual because the kids aren't getting school breakfast and lunch like usual.  So it's a bit of a recipe for chaos.

Luckily, I know there are badasses on here who do this well and efficiently all the time, and I'm hoping you are willing to share your tricks with me.  How do you keep on top of the cleaning in addition to dishes and laundry?  How often are you doing tasks like cleaning the bathrooms, vacuuming, and mopping? How much time does it take a week?  Do you have a system to keep on top of it or do you just do what needs to be done?

Lot of good advice given already so I won't repeat it. Just want to add that getting on top of things might be easier when you do it step by step. So decide what annoys you the most, kitchen? bathroom? etc. Start with cleaning that AND stay on top of maintaining it that way. Once you established a routine there add the next room/area/chore on your list. This way it may not overwhelm you to keep everything tidy and clean coming from having the cleaning lady doing it for you. And you get to feel good about yourself for keeping up with what you picked which is the best motivator ever.

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Re: Cleaning your own damn house
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2020, 06:20:47 AM »
I do not have a huge amount to offer beyond what has already been said here.  I have two little tips.

1.  Keep the bathroom counter tops as clear of clutter as possible. (Everything in a drawer, cabinet or kit bag.) Then leave a wash cloth out on the counter.  Each person is responsible for wiping down the countertop after they use the sink.  Each morning, throw that cloth in the washer and put out a fresh one.

2.  I am a man.  I got in the habit of sitting down on the toilet to urinate years ago.  No spray or splash.  It keeps the toilet area much cleaner.  It honestly is not a big deal to change this habit!!!

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2020, 06:50:19 AM »
2.  I am a man.  I got in the habit of sitting down on the toilet to urinate years ago.  No spray or splash.  It keeps the toilet area much cleaner.  It honestly is not a big deal to change this habit!!!

I can't echo this strongly enough. I, too, sit to pee and have for a long time now. Zero shame, and the toilet rim, outer bowl, and floor are all pee-free.

Sometimes it's just a personality thing. I am a habitual cleaner. If I have down time, the first thing I think of is "what can I clean around here?". It's mindless, rewarding work for me. My stress levels perceptibly go down as the house gets cleaner.

My wife? Not so much. She can stand dirty laundry, dirty hardwood floors, clothes on the floor, messy playroom, etc. for a lot longer than I can. Her pet peeve is the kitchen and bathrooms, but much more so the kitchen. Generally, I end up cleaning most of the house constantly as I have free time and she keeps the kitchen and occasionally other things in order.

It's all a comical farce though because with 3 kids, there's no such thing as 'clean' for longer than 8 hours.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2020, 06:56:16 AM »
Thanks everyone!  We are both working from home and our jobs are still going at nearly full pace, so we are definitely jumping into the deep end of the pool as @TrMama said!  Less time and more to do!

We are more or less on top of the laundry/dishes/meal planning, since we do that normally.  Tidying could use some improvement in the best of times, and I'm realizing I need to take a more active role in teaching the kids to minimize and clean up messes.  The kids are 4 and 3, which I think is old enough to take responsibility for their own things.  We haven't been good about this in the past but we were home a LOT less so it didn't make as big an impact.

We already do shoes off and food only in the kitchen, but I think mess prevention should be a bigger focus for us.

Keep the suggestions coming!

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2020, 07:59:43 AM »
Make the beds immediately upon rising, and do not leave any dirty dishes on the counters or in the sink--either wash them immediately or put them in the dishwasher immediately. My grandmother used to say that if your beds were made and your dishes were done, that you could get away with a lot. And she was right.

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 08:32:39 AM »
@Captain FIRE , I'm so sorry.  Also, your husband needs to grow the f*$&(* up and help keep the house habitable. We sat down after we had kids and agreed on what frequency of cleaning what was a situation we could both live with.  We also agreed when the kids were maybe 5 and 7 that they were going to learn to clean their own houses: it's an important lesson to go out into the world with, they're helping make the mess and need to help clean it up, and (I've told this story elsewhere) I sat on a pee-sprinkled toilet seat one too many times and decided that since I wasn't the one making that mess it shouldn't always be me cleaning it.

Agreed absolutely, but now is not the time to tackle these things while we're all stuck in tight quarters/majorly stressed out.  Trying to keep from killing each other is our highest priority.  :)

There is progress - after months of asking given my pregnancy, now that I'm 2 weeks away and having more issues (pregnancy at 40 is no joke), he has started unloading the dishwasher some.  But, the cartoon about the mental load/housework women do is spot on in that he just doesn't "see" what needs to be done and if asked, then focuses on the very concrete ask and not anything at all peripheral.  For example, I told him the bending to unload the dishwasher is extremely uncomfortable for me.  I'll see a messy kitchen, and unload the dishwasher so I can load and start the new dishwasher, and walk around picking up stray glasses in the other room/dining table.  He won't even realize the dishwasher needs to be unloaded unless I point it out and ask, nevermind also loading it afterwards, checking for additional dishes, starting it, and doing the non-dishwasher dishes.  It somehow also didn't occur to him that if unloading is difficult...loading is equally if not more so difficult given the greater number of times you tend to bend over to do it and sometimes needing to take time to arrange things.  Very much a blinder perspective.  I'll put my dishes away in the dishwasher after dinner.  If I ask him to put away the dishes, he'll put away his - though often in the sink/just bringing to the counter and NOT in the dishwasher, but won't think to also grab our sons most of the time or check around the living room that is steps away for glasses, etc.  (But that said, if asked, he's getting better about doing it promptly - which these days is critical because we're running it so often.  He's also getting better about doing the dishes sometimes, but that just means the ratio is probably MIL 80%, me 10%, him 10%.)

Positively, the only pee sprinkled toilets are the ones created by my 3 yo.

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2020, 09:31:04 AM »
Yippee to male people not sprinkling on the seat!

I'd suggest a conversation sometime when you're not all stressed out -- perhaps with a glass of wine after kids go to bed. MrInCO maintains that it's our job collectively to keep the house clean enough that it's not stressing any one person out, which means we check in sometimes to make sure we're all OK. We are aware that our house is not the kind of spotless it could be if someone had it be their main job, but we all have other jobs, too!

If it's possible for everyone to point out the mental loads, that's probably a useful time to have that conversation, too. I know for us, when someone's washing the dishes (or laundry) it's nice to get everything washed, so we're all used to the wash-er recruiting everyone else to make sure there are no dishes (or dirty clothes) hiding anyplace else. I think the equivalent is the dishwasher unloading/loading thing -- it might be helpful to spell out that part of "unloading the dishwasher" is not just taking out the clean dishes and putting them away, it's also gathering up all the dirty dishes around the place and sticking them in, so (at least for a hot minute) the dishes are "done", i.e. either clean and put away or loaded into the dishwasher.

And, just so I'm not picking on any one person, I think that conversation should also happen with sweeping (there's something about the afternoon sun revealing all the crap on the hardwood floors) and clothes on the floor (yuck!).

But also, I still recommend figuring out where your household systems are failing and trying to address those points. Clothes on the floor says to me either 1) the hamper's too hard to get to and should be closer to where the clothing is removed, or 2) you need some hooks to hang "somewhat dirty" clothes on (i.e. they're too dirty to put away, but could be worn again. Lots of untidiness can be reduced in this kind of way.

Also, the less stuff there is residing on surfaces, the easier they are to clean off! (Says the woman who had to move a couple of bowls of fruit to clean the flour-strewn kitchen countertops yesterday...)

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2020, 10:31:16 AM »
We are in the same boat, trying to come up with a system. We had a cleaning person(s) every 2 weeks. The system seems to be:

Husband cleans the bathroom every 2 weeks.
i clean the kitchen every 2 weeks. but I also wipe down the counters every other day.
The kids have to dust the bedrooms and living room every week.
We vacuum every week.

The "Cleaning time" is an hour or two every Saturday or Sunday.
The kids fold their own laundry (14 and 7).
We are making them help with dishes (loading dishwasher, mostly).

Trying to make small steps.
I made a schedule.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2020, 11:53:12 AM »
Perks of retirement, you have all day to clean.  Dishes get rinsed immediately and cleaned.  Vacuum maybe once a week.  Laundry every 4 weeks.  Always be cleaning various things when you see them so it doesn't build up.  Toilet bowel brushed out and bleached after every dump.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2020, 01:53:18 PM »
Everyone is responsible for their own messes/items (the toddler too since 1 year-old- I don't pick up after anyone!).
For the toddler, we do a "first this, then that" approach. First toys are put away and then we have lunch. First your dish goes in the sink and then we read books. B doesn't happen (or really anything, for that matter) until A is accomplished. It's very effective!

Kitchen floor swept and dishwasher loaded/run every night and emptied in the morning- dishes to sink in the meantime

Bed is made, bathroom sink cleaned, water pitcher filled, and counters/table wiped down every morning

Once a week for each of the following: (and sometimes I divide the job into 2 weeks)
-vacuum/dust
-clean bathroom (sink, mirror, toilet, bathtub, floors, toothbrush holder, empty trash)
-clean kitchen (microwave, wipe outer cabinets, stove/burners, table/counters/sink, floor, water plants, empty trash)
-grocery shop
-laundry (I hang up some items and stick the rest unfolded in the drawer)

Our house isn't spotless and we rarely deep clean. But it's decent and a ratio of effort to cleanliness that we're more than happy with. Putting more effort in for a cleaner house would take away time from things that are more important to us.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2020, 07:56:46 PM »
Make a chore chart with your husband, with all chores assigned to each person, including the kid(s).  List everything that needs doing daily, weekly, monthly and seasonally and put it all on a monthly calendar.  Post it on the fridge or some other high-visibility spot.  Then you and husband can just refer to the chart and not have to discuss things every day.  If he “can’t “ remember to do this, I would be having a really serious talk about his disrespecting you and how this is affecting your relationship.  Because things are only going to get harder with a new baby and if he can’t get it together quickly, you’re going to get very resentful in a month.  That said, you have to be reasonable about how much can be done and to what standards and be willing to let some things go or hire help if possible.

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2020, 08:58:23 PM »
I admitedly have very low cleaning and tidying standards. 

But I have a basic list of what needs to be done when.  For example, Tuesdays I wash either sheets or towels (so they get done every other week). Wednesday is bathrooms.  I can clean both of them--showers, toilet, sinks--in about half an hour.  Is if the best job every?  No, but who cares?   Ever morning I empty the dishwasher if it was run the night before.  Twice a week we swiffer--Monday and Thursday (so much faster and easier than mopping!). 

Every night before bed we spend 10-15 minutes tidying, loading the dishwasher and running when full, wiping down kitchen surfaces, and putting away the worst of the clutter.

Basically, come up with a set schedule of what you do when, and allow yourself to be a bit lax.  So what if the kitchen floor isn't perfect.  Sheets?  The recommendation is every week.  Every two weeks seems to serve us just fine.  Honestly, I don't even wash the mirrors in the bathroom until they look really bad.  Some tooth paste splashed aren't going to kill anyone.

So for me, the keys are coming up with a set schedule, and being thoughtful about what exactly is necessary and how often, and what I'm willing to tolerate. 

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2020, 08:11:14 AM »
My husband and I used to be "emergency cleaners." Meaning we only cleaned when things got really gross or when someone was coming to visit. We made a point of changing that when we moved into a new house that we love 3 years ago. Now, the goal is to have our house guest-ready but not necessarily white-glove ready. So it's neat and tidy and generally clean, but there could be a dust bunny lurking behind the couch... but a guest probably won't notice that level of uncleanliness.

Things that have helped:

-Pay attention during down times, like when you're waiting for something in the microwave, and clean/tidy up something small. We hand wash our dishes, so I put away dishes from the drying rack while my food is in the microwave. Fold laundry while on the phone. Etc.

-I keep a weekly and monthly schedule. I don't worry about a small smudge on the bathroom mirror because I know I'll get to it next Wednesday. I could drive myself crazy trying to keep everything perfect all the time.

-Dust before you vacuum. Otherwise you're just pushing crud onto the clean floor.

-My mom taught us the "one glass per person per day" thing, and we still do it when we visit her as adults.

-I had a woman clean my house for a couple of years, and from her I learned to "spray and wait." She'd put cleaner on my stovetop and any other tough spots, then walk away to do something else. After it had had time to soak, she'd go back and wipe it down. I do this with dishes, too, but you do have to be careful not to let the old "but it needs to soak" reasoning turn into just an excuse not to wash something right away.

-I try to make longer tasks more pleasant by listening to podcasts. Obviously this works for dusting, folding laundry, etc., but I even do it while vacuuming. I used to hate vacuuming because it's so loud and boring, but now I put in my earbuds and put my earmuffs (the noise kind, not the warm kind) over them, so I can listen while I work.

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2020, 08:25:05 AM »
Um, small update... not 5 minutes after posting the above, I was washing dishes while waiting for my matcha latte in the microwave 2 feet behind me, eyeing it carefully so I'd catch it before it boiled over. Well, it boiled over anyway. I missed it. So, uh, maybe reserve the multitasking for when there isn't a liquid in the microwave...

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2020, 08:32:58 AM »
Best rules I learned from a pediatrician/mom:

No shoes worn inside ever (I know this was already mentioned...but it’s a biggie!) helps with pollen and dirt.
No food in any part of the house except kitchen, dining area, or outside.  That’s right...no eating ever in bedrooms or living room/family room.....well except for popcorn during a family movie...which makes it extra special.


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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2020, 09:52:39 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2020, 12:44:07 PM »
I thought I'd update since it's been three weeks.

I really appreciated all the advice, and here are the things that have worked for me:

-we already were a shoes off house, but I've been enforcing food only in the kitchen more stringently, which has cut down on crumbs and messes in other rooms.
-I made a schedule using the app Tody, and the frequencies that seemed acceptable to me.  I agreed to cut myself some slack, so if things get done a day or two past the due date, no biggie.  But it has really kept me on track.
-I don't try to get it all done in one go, because that is exhausting and counterproductive.  Instead, I focus on one area (the kitchen, a bathroom) or one big task (mopping the floors) a day and try to get that done.
-I have tried to follow @GreenSheep's advice of using little bits of downtime to clean, and that's been a bit of a breakthrough, especially in the kitchen.
-I have put the kids to work, mostly tidying up after themselves more.  The hardest part of this has been getting my spouse to enforce the tidying and cleaning up after yourself the way I would when I'm not around.

I've taken on a lot of the work myself because my spouse is feeling very tapped out between work and childcare and what she already does around the house.  Things are not evenly split right now, I am doing more around the house, but I figure I have the capacity right now to do more so I will.  I'll be honest - it has me considering not having the cleaners back when this is all over.  But talk to me in three more weeks when the new and exciting factor has worn off.

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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2020, 12:34:48 PM »
Similar situation here except that we're finding that we're able to stay tidier and keep up with cleaning these days because both DH's and my work has slowed down. (DH in fact got furloughed Friday; my client work is down about 70%.) Are you both still working from home (or trying to)?

A few things that are working for us:

--DH or I clean the kitchen after every meal. Partly so we can disinfect counters periodically (thus they need to be cleaned off); partly just to stay on top of the constant use of dishes, pots, pans, etc. We have the kids (5yo and 7yo) bus their dishes to the dishwasher. Having a dishwasher is a lifesaver; we are running it every day. The 5yo likes to help wash dishes.

--We are getting pretty strict about having the kids pick up after themselves throughout the day. We have the luxury of a playroom so they can have a mess in there (that we clean up every couple of weeks), but when they drag stuff into other parts of the house, DH is especially vigilant in having kids put that stuff away when they're done.

--I have been sanitizing bathrooms every Saturday - just go BR to BR and spray down sink, toilet, tub. Takes about 20 minutes total to hit 2.5 bathrooms.

--I run the vacuum every day or two which keeps crumbs, dust, crud tracked in from outside, to a minimum. Takes less than 10 minutes. 5yo likes to help with this.

--DH and I make our bed every morning. Whatever chaos happens during the day, this helps us feel somewhat in control and on top of things. :)

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

Hope some of that helps!

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I'll add, go for a shoeless house (shoes get taken off at door) and invest in a Roomba or vacuum robot. 
Dishes get washed or loaded in dishwasher right away, counters get wiped every night after dinner, clothing gets hung/folded right after it dries.

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2020, 12:08:01 AM »
If you have many chores and want a spouse to do some of them without asking them, you could make a list. Everyone just pickes one chore amd the other and checks it off until everything is done. This worked for us at home when we had a million chores to sell the house.

My former coworkers who had a robot vac were very pleased with it, especially the ones with children.

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2020, 02:50:20 AM »
I refuse to clean my house. I’m just not good at it. I straighten things well. I do the dishes and I take out the trash and I make my bed every day. The rest is for the housecleaner every two weeks, unless I spill something. I’m living by the, stick with your strengths and hire your weaknesses.

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2020, 05:24:55 AM »

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

This is not a criticism of any kind, just a curiosity, what is there to wash after one day? Even with 4 people I'm having a hard time imagining filling up a washing machine. Just curious.

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2020, 05:28:24 AM »
I'm surprised to hear recommendations to take ones shoes off when entering a house.  Not being brought up in the US, I thought taking shoes off was a normal thing to do. Is this not the case?

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2020, 06:34:42 AM »

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

This is not a criticism of any kind, just a curiosity, what is there to wash after one day? Even with 4 people I'm having a hard time imagining filling up a washing machine. Just curious.

My wife and I do laundry once every 8-10 days, so we don't fall in this category (except for the occasional quick load or disgusting kids' clothes), but we know quite a few people who don't particularly enjoy laundry 'events'. They much prefer to do small loads because, to them, it's more manageable to not have to sort anything and to fold a couple items.

I'm surprised to hear recommendations to take ones shoes off when entering a house.  Not being brought up in the US, I thought taking shoes off was a normal thing to do. Is this not the case?

You'd be surprised at the number of households who wear shoes in the house here in the US....

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2020, 06:43:51 AM »
You'd be surprised at the number of households who wear shoes in the house here in the US....

I don't know but if I had to guess, I would say US is in a minority when it comes to this habit.
What is the reason for?  I can think of quite a few reasons not to do that, but why do people do it?
So, in a US household when one rolls out of his/her bed, one puts his/her shoes on to go to the bathroom, for example?

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2020, 07:05:53 AM »
I'm surprised to hear recommendations to take ones shoes off when entering a house.  Not being brought up in the US, I thought taking shoes off was a normal thing to do. Is this not the case?

Nope, most Americans stomp around the house in whatever shoes they put on for the day. I only stopped doing it in my 20s when I put new wood floors in my house and didn't want to ruin them! I don't think this is regional, as I've been in homes all over the US, and I've only seen shoes removed at a handful of homes -- usually people who grew up outside the US or my hippie health nut friends. I suspect there are concerns about smelly feet, holey socks, etc., but it makes so much sense if you have any desire to keep your floors clean and unscratched.

Now if I could just get my husband to wear slippers. We used to live in a hotter climate, so bare feet were fine, but now we live in a colder area, so he walks around the house in his socks, which quickly get holes. I wear socks + slippers or a pair of clogs that are inside-only, so I can work for hours in the kitchen without having sore feet/legs/back.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2020, 07:31:08 AM »
I'm surprised to hear recommendations to take ones shoes off when entering a house.  Not being brought up in the US, I thought taking shoes off was a normal thing to do. Is this not the case?

Nope, most Americans stomp around the house in whatever shoes they put on for the day. I only stopped doing it in my 20s when I put new wood floors in my house and didn't want to ruin them! I don't think this is regional, as I've been in homes all over the US, and I've only seen shoes removed at a handful of homes -- usually people who grew up outside the US or my hippie health nut friends. I suspect there are concerns about smelly feet, holey socks, etc., but it makes so much sense if you have any desire to keep your floors clean and unscratched.

Now if I could just get my husband to wear slippers. We used to live in a hotter climate, so bare feet were fine, but now we live in a colder area, so he walks around the house in his socks, which quickly get holes. I wear socks + slippers or a pair of clogs that are inside-only, so I can work for hours in the kitchen without having sore feet/legs/back.
Smelly feet? A lot of smelly feet are from lack of ventilation of your feet which is caused by not taking your shoes off. Holes?  Why not repair them?

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2020, 07:41:02 AM »
My family members all wear shoes in the house and it bugs the crap out of me. My father and grandfather both consider putting on your shoes to be part of getting dressed for the day and don’t take them off until they get undressed at night. I prefer to keep things clean so I don’t wear shoes in the house and I can’t stand crumbs on the floor - if I feel something stick to my foot when I walk around barefoot I get really grossed out. When I visit my dad I find his floors to be disgusting and I vacuum them every day when I’m there just so they are clean enough for me to walk around and for the baby to play on a clean floor.

That might be part of the issue - if you always have dirty floors you don’t want to walk around without shoes so everyone wears their shoes in the house, but those shoes are then making the floors dirty so it’s a catch 22. I prefer to just keep my floors clean. No shoes in the house means its much easier to keep the floors clean and there is a lot less vacuuming and mopping.

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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2020, 10:10:32 AM »
In Canada, most people don't wear shoes in the house, or at least not their outside shoes.  (I have taken to wearing dedicated shoes indoors due to foot problems.)  In fact, it's considered very rude to go to someone's home and not remove your shoes.  It says you don't respect their house.

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2020, 02:40:12 PM »
In Canada, most people don't wear shoes in the house, or at least not their outside shoes.  (I have taken to wearing dedicated shoes indoors due to foot problems.)  In fact, it's considered very rude to go to someone's home and not remove your shoes.  It says you don't respect their house.

We start this young, because you are wearing winter boots half the year, and you are certainly not going to wear boots in the house.  Then in spring your shoes are often muddy, so you are not going to wear them in the house.  Plus the rest of the year, who knows what bits of dirt are on your shoes?  So it is something you get used to, you have house shoes/slippers and outdoor shoes/boots.

Seriously, back before Covid, I never wore shoes that were hard to get on/off when I went to other peoples' houses, because I knew my shoes were coming off as soon as I was inside. And I carried a pair of clean shoes/slippers to put on for the visit. It is just life, like having presentable clothes on under your coat, because you will be taking your coat off too.  Of course these days I do the same at home, my outdoor shoes live at the entrance, and my indoor slippers are worn indoors.  Not a big deal.

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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2020, 05:12:22 PM »

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

This is not a criticism of any kind, just a curiosity, what is there to wash after one day? Even with 4 people I'm having a hard time imagining filling up a washing machine. Just curious.

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If my dh throws his outfit for the day into the laundry - especially when it is cold - that’s almost a full load - jeans, underpants, 2 pairs of socks, t-shirt, regular shirt, hoodie or sweater.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2020, 06:52:23 PM »

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

This is not a criticism of any kind, just a curiosity, what is there to wash after one day? Even with 4 people I'm having a hard time imagining filling up a washing machine. Just curious.

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If my dh throws his outfit for the day into the laundry - especially when it is cold - that’s almost a full load - jeans, underpants, 2 pairs of socks, t-shirt, regular shirt, hoodie or sweater.
We have 4 people and run about 3 loads a week, and that's with a small child who goes through 2 sets of clothes a day (pajamas and clothing).  I also exercise every day, so I go through 2 bras, 1 pants, 1 socks, 1 shirt every day.  (I will wear the same pants and shirt more than one day if I don't get dirty or sweaty).

Is he dirty?  I can see if he's dirty or sweaty (my dad was an auto mechanic).  But otherwise?  Give it the sniff test.

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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2020, 07:02:14 PM »

--DH and I are running loads of laundry almost every day - mine, DH's, the 7yo's, the 5yo's... we're not on a schedule per se, but spreading out the loads helps it feel less overwhelming than doing everybody's on the weekend or whatever. Plus DH is doing half of it so it's not all on me. I've been folding laundry in my bedroom at night while watching Netflix.

This is not a criticism of any kind, just a curiosity, what is there to wash after one day? Even with 4 people I'm having a hard time imagining filling up a washing machine. Just curious.

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If my dh throws his outfit for the day into the laundry - especially when it is cold - that’s almost a full load - jeans, underpants, 2 pairs of socks, t-shirt, regular shirt, hoodie or sweater.

Why on earth would an inner, middle, and outer layer all be dirty when worn for anything but the most intense labor (and even then, it seems like the outer layer would be removed before it had a chance to get sweaty through the two layers beneath it. 

I generally wear most clothing items, other than underwear and socks and workout clothing, three times before washing.  And if it were a middle layer?  Probably more than than that. 

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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2020, 07:20:12 PM »
I'm surprised to hear recommendations to take ones shoes off when entering a house.  Not being brought up in the US, I thought taking shoes off was a normal thing to do. Is this not the case?

Nope, most Americans stomp around the house in whatever shoes they put on for the day. I only stopped doing it in my 20s when I put new wood floors in my house and didn't want to ruin them! I don't think this is regional, as I've been in homes all over the US, and I've only seen shoes removed at a handful of homes -- usually people who grew up outside the US or my hippie health nut friends. I suspect there are concerns about smelly feet, holey socks, etc., but it makes so much sense if you have any desire to keep your floors clean and unscratched.

I find where I live in suburban DC that most people take of shoes in the house.  However, people don't require that of guests at parties. 

However, it is typical / historical to wear shoes in the house in the USA.  I do live in a very international / diverse area, but both DW and I were born here.