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Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« on: January 30, 2024, 12:41:57 PM »
I'm a 41 YO professional, who spent most of my 30s working in an all-consuming, extremely stressful job that, fortunately, paid very well. I invested well, and I'm probably coast-fire right now (over 7 figures CAD invested, house more than half paid off, decent contributions to children's university savings), especially if I continue to work until my mid-50s (which I plan to do). My 39 YO spouse is a teacher, and has no plans to RE, although she probably won't work much past 60. She'll receive a modest pension assuming she continues to teach until retirement. We have two young kids, 1.5 and 7. We're not big spenders, although we want to have a comfortable retirement, with lots of travel, restaurants, activities, etc.

A couple years ago, I left my private practice role to work in a regulatory agency. I took a steep pay-cut, but I work so much less that my income is a basically wash on a per-hour basis. My job is very oriented to work-life balance. I get 4 weeks vacation, an extra week off at Christmas, and 17 flex days that I can use throughout the year. I earn about $140K CAD in total comp. My job is, however, extremely easy. I can do a week's work in one day, and I outproduce my colleagues by a factor of 3:1 even though I've begun to fill my time by taking on extra non-core tasks, or just not working, especially on work-from-home days. My team is very low producing, and there's a bit of resentment directed my way for "making them look bad." It's fine though as I get along well with my manager, and several other people in other groups, so I'm not socially isolated, I just have very little to do with my own team (one - two meetings per week).

Basically, I thought I won at life by finding an easy job that pays well. However, I'm not challenged, and I feel like my skills could stagnate, or become redundant, which is a risk if I need to survive ~15 more working years. In addition, I think my role could be automated in the relatively near future, although management of my organization is probably less inclined to automate my role than similar roles in the private section. I doubt the role ends in the next five years, but on a 10 - 15 year timeframe, who knows? In terms of benefits, I love the time I have with my family, and the ability to handle emergency childcare (v my spouse's much less flexible schedule). Also, the pay is obviously not bad (especially for how easy the work is), and I'm still able to make significant contributions to investments.

In any case, I've started to look for other opportunities, and will be interviewing for the following two roles soon:

(1) Promotion to a different group, with higher pay at my org: The role reads like a "bullshit job" (per David Graeber) but the org is putting a lot of resources into the position, which is featured in its strategic plan. Benefits: higher pay (probably a $15-20K increase in total comp), probably somewhat more interesting work, maintain work-life balance. Drawbacks: a little bit more stress, the role is more political, and there is potentially less stability given that the role is part of a new initiative that could be dismantled if there's a change in leadership.

(2) Move to a government position: The other role I will be interviewing for is with our Provincial Government. It would be genuinely interesting, but likely more stressful, with slightly longer hours of work. Benefits: increased salary (likely in the range of $20K), defined benefit pension plan (I ran calculations that estimated if I retired in my mid-50s, I'd be paid about $3500-4000 CAD/month, indexed to inflation for life, with survivor benefits, basically assuring me the ability to retire in my 50s), probably more interesting work. Downsides: some potential for work on evenings and weekends, no flex days (i.e. 17 less days off per year), more stress, less flexibility.

Anyway, I'm wondering what people (especially those who face similar dilemmas) have done, or think I should do. I guess I'm looking for perspective on how to navigate between work-life balance verging on boredom versus challenge and stress; whether it's possible to ride out a job that's far too easy for a long period of time; and, whether I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth by walking away from the easiest money I'll probably ever make (other than the passive income that will fund my retirement).

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2024, 01:11:42 PM »
First, do the math:  how much more do you need to save, if any, to reach your FIRE goal by your FIRE date?  Don't just guesstimate, start digging in to the kind of life you will want to lead, the timing of your various income sources, taxes, etc.

I am betting you discover that, assuming the house will be paid off by your FIRE date, you already have enough saved to grow to the amount you need in another c.15 years.

If that's true, then all you need to do, between you and your DW, is bring in enough money to cover your expenses between now and then.  And since you're doing that now, on your current salary, and your DW doesn't want to quit, any increase in pay is totally meaningless.  And even if you are a little short, I'd bet your DW's savings/pension growth between now and 60 would cover the gap.

And that means that you get to choose between your options based solely on what you want to do, given all of your life goals (i.e., not just money, but time with your family, intellectual stimulation, hobbies, etc.).

So:  if money were no object, what option would you choose? 

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Re: Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2024, 04:30:58 PM »

So:  if money were no object, what option would you choose?

Thanks for your response. I think you're entirely right that money should not drive my decision. Where I'm struggling is in terms of weighing weighing safety, ease and comfort (but with a sense of boredom) versus a more uncertain, likely more interesting but more stressful alternative. Put another way, I'm kind of delighted to be in a position to coastfire, but I'm a little bit worried about the downsides of coasting for a decade or more (loss of skills, boredom, etc), and whether there are any achievement-focused professionals who've managed to disengage for a lengthy tail-end of a career.

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Re: Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2024, 11:37:17 AM »
I have twice given up cushy jobs because I was completely bored and could not tolerate the idea of doing that work for another 10-15 years.  It was killing my soul.

I have also left high-paying, stressful jobs because the money wasn't worth the time away from my family.

Two years ago I changed careers and became a teacher because it was more interesting to me and my stash will grow to my FIRE number within the next 10 years without me adding more to it.

That's a long way of saying - do what makes you happy right now.  Whatever job you take now doesn't have to be the job you keep until you retire.  Just know the impacts of that on your retirement date and decide if it is worth it.

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Re: Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2024, 12:22:52 PM »
I have learned to savor moments of boredom when they come.  I dream of having long stretches of boredom.  However, I do feel you regarding the concerns that your job gets phased out due to automation.  Can you step up your investment plan at all so that you don't need to make it a full 15 years?

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Re: Career crossroads: Leave, Stay, or Promotion
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2024, 05:34:18 AM »
I have twice given up cushy jobs because I was completely bored and could not tolerate the idea of doing that work for another 10-15 years.  It was killing my soul.

I have also left high-paying, stressful jobs because the money wasn't worth the time away from my family.

Two years ago I changed careers and became a teacher because it was more interesting to me and my stash will grow to my FIRE number within the next 10 years without me adding more to it.

That's a long way of saying - do what makes you happy right now.  Whatever job you take now doesn't have to be the job you keep until you retire.  Just know the impacts of that on your retirement date and decide if it is worth it.

This resonates with me. I need to use my brain and be challenged to be happy but I also get stressed and overwhelmed.  I would be miserable in a boring job that offered no challenge.

I would consider if you can keep the regulatory job and also start a side gig that you don't WFH days, that is interesting to you. That may be a conflict of interest and not possible, or feel ethically yucky to you. But food for thought.