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« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2022, 01:35:01 PM »
If you need to see flames - some Samsung induction ranges have "virtual flames".  Hokey, but true!

Still loving induction here.

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2022, 08:25:45 AM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2022, 08:32:09 AM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811

I bought mine on Facebook Marketplace for $500. /shrug

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2022, 09:15:39 AM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2022, 09:38:51 AM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?login=false

2013, children living in homes with gas stoves were 42 percent more likely to experience symptoms associated with asthma, and 24 percent more likely to be diagnosed with lifetime asthma.

Link from here - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/gas-stoves-are-worse-for-climate-and-health-than-previously-thought-180979494/#:~:text=More%20than%20a%20third%20of%20Americans%20cook%20with%20gas%2C%20and,increase%20susceptibility%20to%20respiratory%20infections.

Another one, 1992: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10473289.1992.10467018
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Although the methods produce slightly different results, the conclusion from all three methods Is that the increase in the odds of respiratory Illness in children exposed to a long-term increase of 30 μg/m3 (comparable to the increase resulting from exposure to a gas stove) is about 20 percent.
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Re: buy induction stove now or later?
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2022, 12:14:47 PM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

some more, with links to multiple peer-reviewed studies on the matter.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.122-a27

For example, measured levels in actual homes
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1306673:
"Results: The simulation model estimated that—in homes using NGCBs without coincident use of venting range hoods—62%, 9%, and 53% of occupants are routinely exposed to NO2, CO, and HCHO levels that exceed acute health-based standards and guidelines. NGCB use increased the sample median of the highest simulated 1-hr indoor concentrations by 100, 3,000, and 20 ppb for NO2, CO, and HCHO, respectively."

Just looking into this now it sounds even worse that I already thought! No way I'd cook with gas, definitely not around my children. Potentially saddle them with lifetime of respiratory illness because the stove is cheaper or the water boils 2.4 min faster? ehh no thanks.

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2022, 12:40:06 PM »
@Scandium - my induction boils water damn fast.  Haven't had a gas stove for 12 years so I don't remember terribly well how quickly it brought a hot water bath canner up to boil, but the stove I canned on this summer was unbelievably fast.  (And after doing all the 2021 canning on two induction (small when compared to new stove) portable hot plates - the stove top with 4 burner options was a treat.)  And one crazy day I had one of the portable burners running as well. Luxury.  And way way less heat and humidity in the kitchen. total luxury.

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2022, 01:58:02 PM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

some more, with links to multiple peer-reviewed studies on the matter.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.122-a27

For example, measured levels in actual homes
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1306673:
"Results: The simulation model estimated that—in homes using NGCBs without coincident use of venting range hoods—62%, 9%, and 53% of occupants are routinely exposed to NO2, CO, and HCHO levels that exceed acute health-based standards and guidelines. NGCB use increased the sample median of the highest simulated 1-hr indoor concentrations by 100, 3,000, and 20 ppb for NO2, CO, and HCHO, respectively."

Just looking into this now it sounds even worse that I already thought! No way I'd cook with gas, definitely not around my children. Potentially saddle them with lifetime of respiratory illness because the stove is cheaper or the water boils 2.4 min faster? ehh no thanks.

Thanks for sharing the studies. I’ve heard about the health risks, but haven’t seen a reference to the actual studies.

What I can’t figure out is why class-action lawyers aren’t all over this. Utilities have known about this, sought to minimize it, and lobbied heavily to protect gas infrastructure. It seems like it should be a plantiffs attorney’s dream case.

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2022, 07:48:19 PM »
@Scandium - my induction boils water damn fast.  Haven't had a gas stove for 12 years so I don't remember terribly well how quickly it brought a hot water bath canner up to boil, but the stove I canned on this summer was unbelievably fast.  (And after doing all the 2021 canning on two induction (small when compared to new stove) portable hot plates - the stove top with 4 burner options was a treat.)  And one crazy day I had one of the portable burners running as well. Luxury.  And way way less heat and humidity in the kitchen. total luxury.
I was just repeating the argument I hear in favor of gas. I know induction is faster. But I've used normal electric for decades and it's fine, and even that seems wastly preferable to the health risks of gas!!

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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2022, 06:09:56 AM »
@Scandium - my induction boils water damn fast.  Haven't had a gas stove for 12 years so I don't remember terribly well how quickly it brought a hot water bath canner up to boil, but the stove I canned on this summer was unbelievably fast.  (And after doing all the 2021 canning on two induction (small when compared to new stove) portable hot plates - the stove top with 4 burner options was a treat.)  And one crazy day I had one of the portable burners running as well. Luxury.  And way way less heat and humidity in the kitchen. total luxury.
I was just repeating the argument I hear in favor of gas. I know induction is faster. But I've used normal electric for decades and it's fine, and even that seems wastly preferable to the health risks of gas!!

It's wildly faster - I went from a very nice gas range to the cheapest induction range I could find and I would never go back.

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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2022, 09:28:40 AM »
@Scandium - my induction boils water damn fast.  Haven't had a gas stove for 12 years so I don't remember terribly well how quickly it brought a hot water bath canner up to boil, but the stove I canned on this summer was unbelievably fast.  (And after doing all the 2021 canning on two induction (small when compared to new stove) portable hot plates - the stove top with 4 burner options was a treat.)  And one crazy day I had one of the portable burners running as well. Luxury.  And way way less heat and humidity in the kitchen. total luxury.
I was just repeating the argument I hear in favor of gas. I know induction is faster. But I've used normal electric for decades and it's fine, and even that seems wastly preferable to the health risks of gas!!

It's wildly faster - I went from a very nice gas range to the cheapest induction range I could find and I would never go back.

We don't even have gas in the house, so gas vs induction isn't even a consideration, thankfully:) Have a regular electric range from the late 90s or so, used it for 12+ years now. I don't even think it's that bad..*shrug (except one plate randomly goes to full heat, and the warning lights are flaky..)  But looking at a $2k LG induction now, and would be nice to finally upgrade. In time for thanksgiving and everything! :D

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« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2022, 04:34:14 AM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

some more, with links to multiple peer-reviewed studies on the matter.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.122-a27

For example, measured levels in actual homes
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1306673:
"Results: The simulation model estimated that—in homes using NGCBs without coincident use of venting range hoods—62%, 9%, and 53% of occupants are routinely exposed to NO2, CO, and HCHO levels that exceed acute health-based standards and guidelines. NGCB use increased the sample median of the highest simulated 1-hr indoor concentrations by 100, 3,000, and 20 ppb for NO2, CO, and HCHO, respectively."

Just looking into this now it sounds even worse that I already thought! No way I'd cook with gas, definitely not around my children. Potentially saddle them with lifetime of respiratory illness because the stove is cheaper or the water boils 2.4 min faster? ehh no thanks.
Wow, thanks! Hmmm, now I'm wondering about gas dryers, particularly as the modern thing seems to be to locate the laundry close to the bedrooms.

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« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2022, 11:08:17 PM »
That's why you use a range hood! I love the whoosh of the gas, seeing the flame, cooking on whatever material I feel like, and the hood vents at 1,200 cfm. If you want the stove to cook faster just bore out the nozzles and you can increase the btu's. I find I use my main 25K btu burner for most things and it heats things up very fast. But even the 22K and 18K burners work well. But yes make sure you use a range hood. That always seemed obvious to me.

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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2022, 09:32:17 AM »
That's why you use a range hood! I love the whoosh of the gas, seeing the flame, cooking on whatever material I feel like, and the hood vents at 1,200 cfm. If you want the stove to cook faster just bore out the nozzles and you can increase the btu's. I find I use my main 25K btu burner for most things and it heats things up very fast. But even the 22K and 18K burners work well. But yes make sure you use a range hood. That always seemed obvious to me.

A huge number of houses don't have externally venting range hoods - they're just a grease trap that recirculates back into the kitchen.

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« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2022, 03:09:37 PM »
That's why you use a range hood! I love the whoosh of the gas, seeing the flame, cooking on whatever material I feel like, and the hood vents at 1,200 cfm. If you want the stove to cook faster just bore out the nozzles and you can increase the btu's. I find I use my main 25K btu burner for most things and it heats things up very fast. But even the 22K and 18K burners work well. But yes make sure you use a range hood. That always seemed obvious to me.

A huge number of houses don't have externally venting range hoods - they're just a grease trap that recirculates back into the kitchen.

I have an air quality monitor for my house and keep it in the kitchen.  I cook with electric, and it measures PM 2.5 and VOC's, which aren't the primary issues with gas.  But I think it's still indicative of how much bad air from cooking gets vented out.

It's easy to see the air quality rapidly go down when cooking.  And while the range fan makes a big difference, it isn't a panacea.  Not only do you need to use it, you have to keep it on for a bit after you cook.  It also captures air from the rear burners much better than the front burners.  So cooking on the front burners produces a lot more indoor air pollution than the rear burners.  And I expect most people don't run their fans for long enough or high enough to truly clear the air.

Assume you're still breathing the nasty stuff from gas even with a range hood.  Just somewhat less of it.

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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2022, 08:08:20 AM »
Sunday I cooked a big meal - 18 pound turkey and all the trimmings using the ridiculously expensive bertazzoni induction range.  This is the best stove I have ever cooked on.  But as this was the first big meal I have cooked in three years and the first big meal ever with this stove - my timing was off and I overcooked a bunch of stuff.  (18 adults/3 children. 6 of the adults are really big eaters.)

I pulled out the portable induction and the instant pot and the electric pressure canner to have enough capacity to fill these people up.

The 18 pound turkey was cooked at 300/convection bake mode in less than 3 hours.  I wish I had checked the temperature at 2 hours. I also overcooked both trays of roasted butternut and delicata squash / turnip /garlic / sweet potatoes / fennel bulbs.
 
Overcooked the broccoli, but was perfect on carrots and peas. 
Gravy stayed warm without scorching on the element warming function.
The stuffing in the oven was perfect.  Prepping it stove top was so easy.  I used the bridge element and a giant pan. 
I am not used to being able to steam two giant heads of broccoli at the same rate as half a head - or cook 2.5pounds of carrots in no time.
It is fantastic to have each part of the meal in the right-sized pot going at the same time.

And the best part: a soapy cloth wipe down cut through the greasy film and dried food from spills with minimal elbow grease. Stove top clean in less than 3 minutes.





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« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2022, 08:19:05 AM »
Sunday I cooked a big meal - 18 pound turkey and all the trimmings using the ridiculously expensive bertazzoni induction range.  This is the best stove I have ever cooked on.  But as this was the first big meal I have cooked in three years and the first big meal ever with this stove - my timing was off and I overcooked a bunch of stuff.  (18 adults/3 children. 6 of the adults are really big eaters.)

I pulled out the portable induction and the instant pot and the electric pressure canner to have enough capacity to fill these people up.

The 18 pound turkey was cooked at 300/convection bake mode in less than 3 hours.  I wish I had checked the temperature at 2 hours. I also overcooked both trays of roasted butternut and delicata squash / turnip /garlic / sweet potatoes / fennel bulbs.
 
Overcooked the broccoli, but was perfect on carrots and peas. 
Gravy stayed warm without scorching on the element warming function.
The stuffing in the oven was perfect.  Prepping it stove top was so easy.  I used the bridge element and a giant pan. 
I am not used to being able to steam two giant heads of broccoli at the same rate as half a head - or cook 2.5pounds of carrots in no time.
It is fantastic to have each part of the meal in the right-sized pot going at the same time.

And the best part: a soapy cloth wipe down cut through the greasy film and dried food from spills with minimal elbow grease. Stove top clean in less than 3 minutes.

My oven also seems to cook way faster than my old gas oven - with a thermometer in it, it shows the inside temperature to be about 25 degrees (f) hotter than it was set to. 

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« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2022, 08:30:09 AM »
Team induction here just for the time-saving cleaning features alone. I splurged on my dream induction cooktop. It is the 36” Wolf. I have a portable induction now in my travel trailer. The food cooks way faster than regular electric, and no more heavy duty cleaning of the grates, baked on food, and sticky gas residue on cabinets. I cook very often, and I would say it saves me a good 5-10 minutes per day not cleaning in the kitchen. I also have a warming drawer, so for entertaining I can hold foods there.

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« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2022, 12:03:02 PM »
I used the bridge function on the 36" Bertazzoni induction for our big cast iron pan.  It was good.  I'll do it again.

We have also been using the giant oven to toast bread, so far I like the convection broil setting and it toasts faster than our old toaster.  I would guess it takes more energy to toast two slices of bread in the over than in the toaster, but I wouldn't make a bet on that guess.

DW used the Fridgidaire last night to boil water and provided an unsolicited comment that she is very happy that we have a nicer range than that one.

 

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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2022, 04:59:37 PM »
Wow, those articles about the indoor air pollution caused by gas stoves was eye-opening. And rather stressful considering that I currently have a gas stove. Thanks, @Scandium and @JLee.

I'm now strongly considering one of those single-burner induction elements that @Malcat mentioned (although recognizing that the gas stove still emits a lower amount of pollution even when it's not being used).

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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2022, 08:21:45 AM »
Wow, those articles about the indoor air pollution caused by gas stoves was eye-opening. And rather stressful considering that I currently have a gas stove. Thanks, @Scandium and @JLee.

I'm now strongly considering one of those single-burner induction elements that @Malcat mentioned (although recognizing that the gas stove still emits a lower amount of pollution even when it's not being used).
I used two of those for 16 months for all my cooking including water bath canning dozens of jars of fresh produce while I waited for delivery of the replacement stove.

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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2022, 05:38:18 PM »
Welp, I was following this discussion in a purely academic way, sort of considering one day getting an induction stove, maybe start with a single hot plate to get used to it.

Because our not-so-old electric range works fine. A few buttons have been cutting out intermittently. Weird, but not an emergency. Then last night, I was halfway through baking a quiche when the whole thing started going BRRRRRZZZBBBBRRRRZZ and a handful of glowing red spots appeared on the bottom of the oven in places that are definitely not supposed to be glowing red.

So we're getting a brand new induction stove after all, probably a Samsung from Costco.


Also, I had to toss a soggy quiche.

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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2022, 08:09:11 PM »
I'm no longer buying Samsung because we've had troubles with all three of our Samsung appliances (washer, dryer, and fridge). 

We bought an LG induction range from Costco, but it's only 2 years old, so fingers crossed it's more reliable than any Samsung appliance we've ever owned.

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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2022, 08:44:46 AM »
@tyrannostache - sorry about the quiche.  Our previous stove died the same way.  It would make a little bzzzzap when the oven element turned on.  Just the tiniest and no one heard but me.  Then on the fateful Tuesday evening, I was using the oven and was planning to use the elements. There was a very loud and very long BRRRRRZZZBBBBRRRRZZ ending with a pop.  The whole control panel was black. 

The stove was from the late 70's and we had fixed random parts over the ten years we lived here. It was next to impossible to get important parts like the temperature regulator for the oven. It had fake wood trim with a flip clock and lots of chrome to compliment the cream/almond body.


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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2022, 12:38:48 PM »
I am a die hard gas fan, and will be lighting up dino fossils til they shut the pipelines off. If you aren't that big a fan of natural gas cooking where you see the fire, get an induction one. I think the stress over a sale or a particular price is clouding the issue. My neighbor who has one loves it.

well since these ovens cost from $1200 to $4000+, I think some research is warreated to figure out which one is worth it, and were the $/value sweet spot is..
I've only cooked with gas in a rental for 6 months, and didn't find it particularly impressive *shrug And not worth the fear of explosions, lol! And to each their own, but personally I'd avoid it for the lung damage, asthma, and cancer risk alone
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811
Key word is "may". Are there any other scientific studies that back this up? Even the small test of 53 stoves doesn't mention if they were old school or the newer, pilot less ignition types.

No snark, I am genuinely interested.

some more, with links to multiple peer-reviewed studies on the matter.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.122-a27

For example, measured levels in actual homes
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1306673:
"Results: The simulation model estimated that—in homes using NGCBs without coincident use of venting range hoods—62%, 9%, and 53% of occupants are routinely exposed to NO2, CO, and HCHO levels that exceed acute health-based standards and guidelines. NGCB use increased the sample median of the highest simulated 1-hr indoor concentrations by 100, 3,000, and 20 ppb for NO2, CO, and HCHO, respectively."

Just looking into this now it sounds even worse that I already thought! No way I'd cook with gas, definitely not around my children. Potentially saddle them with lifetime of respiratory illness because the stove is cheaper or the water boils 2.4 min faster? ehh no thanks.

I heard a radio show about this topic, and am happy that we've got electric stoves in our house and all of our rentals except for one unit.
Here's a link https://news.stanford.edu/2022/01/27/rethinking-cooking-gas/

We've got a fake wood stove that burns gas. It exhausts directly to the outside, so hopefully we're not getting these ill effects. But we might try and sell that stove, to get rid of it.

We cook on a flat-top electric stove. So long as we keep the top clean, there's good contact with pans and it heats quickly. A dirty top doesn't have good contact with the bottom of the pan, that the thermostat seems to not heat continuously. (maybe it overheats without a heat sink?)

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Re: buy induction stove now or later?
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2022, 04:32:37 PM »
OP here to address some questions and comments…

…3) I talked with a sales guy at Home Depot today.  The sale is until October 14th or when they run out of units.  He looked up how many are in stock, and there are 364 in the sales region, which is a ridiculously high number in his opinion.  He doesn't know of anyone that has bought an induction stove from the store and didn't know much about them himself.  He thinks its a supply chain issue that there are so many available and the reason for the sale.  They must have been backordered and everything came in at once.

4) We've been discussing whether to buy or not, and can't make up our minds.  Its nice to know there are so many of them available.  I might just check back in at the store and keep track as inventory goes down.

The sale at Lowe’s continues to be extended, week by week. I talked to a sales person there as well, and there are currently 110 units available across 8-9 stores in the region. He hasn’t known anyone who has purchased one yet, so it makes me think the stock might stick around until something is known about the rebate/incentive program.

I was at Home Depot again today.  Prices went from $1,200 to $1,330 and number of units has gone from 364 to 106.  That makes about 130 sold per month for however large our distribution area is.

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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2022, 11:09:38 AM »
Well, I let the plan marinate for a while, and today I finally bought a portable single-burner induction cooktop!

Thanks for the PSA, @Malcat!

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« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2023, 12:24:11 PM »
OP here to address some questions and comments…

…3) I talked with a sales guy at Home Depot today.  The sale is until October 14th or when they run out of units.  He looked up how many are in stock, and there are 364 in the sales region, which is a ridiculously high number in his opinion.  He doesn't know of anyone that has bought an induction stove from the store and didn't know much about them himself.  He thinks its a supply chain issue that there are so many available and the reason for the sale.  They must have been backordered and everything came in at once.

4) We've been discussing whether to buy or not, and can't make up our minds.  Its nice to know there are so many of them available.  I might just check back in at the store and keep track as inventory goes down.

The sale at Lowe’s continues to be extended, week by week. I talked to a sales person there as well, and there are currently 110 units available across 8-9 stores in the region. He hasn’t known anyone who has purchased one yet, so it makes me think the stock might stick around until something is known about the rebate/incentive program.

I was at Home Depot again today.  Prices went from $1,200 to $1,330 and number of units has gone from 364 to 106.  That makes about 130 sold per month for however large our distribution area is.

Another update.  I can no longer find the particular stove for sale with Lowes or Home Depot.  Maybe they were made in a large pandemic batch and then discontinued?  I had seen them on sale in the past few weeks for about $1,500 I think, from their non-sale price of $1,700(?).  Now its no longer listed.

Samsung has an induction stove listed for sale at $1,100, but we had an electric convection Samsung in our old house and it had the most uneven baking of any oven I had ever used.  We'll continue to wait until the IRA incentives become available, and I'll keep updating this as I come across more options.

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« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2023, 12:44:38 PM »
When I next buy a stove, it will almost certainly be induction.  But I will miss gas for doing a light char or tortillas (and occasionally a pepper).  If there were such a thing a s gas single burner, I'd probably snag one of those.  (Actually, I suppose there are camping butane burners, which I've never used but could look in to, though I'm not sure how the ventilation piece would work.)

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« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2023, 04:18:04 PM »
When I next buy a stove, it will almost certainly be induction.  But I will miss gas for doing a light char or tortillas (and occasionally a pepper).  If there were such a thing a s gas single burner, I'd probably snag one of those.  (Actually, I suppose there are camping butane burners, which I've never used but could look in to, though I'm not sure how the ventilation piece would work.)
Our gas grill has a side burner on it, and I use it for that kind of thing. I much prefer doing that outside anyway.

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« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2023, 10:50:49 AM »
When I next buy a stove, it will almost certainly be induction.  But I will miss gas for doing a light char or tortillas (and occasionally a pepper).  If there were such a thing a s gas single burner, I'd probably snag one of those.  (Actually, I suppose there are camping butane burners, which I've never used but could look in to, though I'm not sure how the ventilation piece would work.)

I was at a bar this past weekend (first time in a while) and the bartender had a plumber size butane torch with a cool diffuser on it.  We have a tiny kitchen size butane torch that would be annoying to use on tortillas, but this large size thing might be cool.  The bartender used it to melt cheese on tortillas.

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« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2023, 10:51:17 AM »
When I next buy a stove, it will almost certainly be induction.  But I will miss gas for doing a light char or tortillas (and occasionally a pepper).
Yep, toasting tortillas directly on the flame would be the biggest thing I miss from gas.

We're going induction, but probably should convert all the gas stuff at the same time (Stove, furnace, water heater) and save
$300/year in fees just to be hooked up to gas.

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If there were such a thing a s gas single burner, I'd probably snag one of those.  (Actually, I suppose there are camping butane burners, which I've never used but could look in to, though I'm not sure how the ventilation piece would work.)
Looks like you answered your own question - and I have both butane and propane camping stoves if I really want to direct flame toast some tortillas. Or I could just put a pan on the induction - not quite the same, but works well enough.

The local grocery store bakery (HEB) makes great inhouse tortillas that are just slightly underdone. Perfect for toasting just before use.

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« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2023, 10:52:32 AM »
When I next buy a stove, it will almost certainly be induction.  But I will miss gas for doing a light char or tortillas (and occasionally a pepper).  If there were such a thing a s gas single burner, I'd probably snag one of those.  (Actually, I suppose there are camping butane burners, which I've never used but could look in to, though I'm not sure how the ventilation piece would work.)

I was at a bar this past weekend (first time in a while) and the bartender had a plumber size butane torch with a cool diffuser on it.  We have a tiny kitchen size butane torch that would be annoying to use on tortillas, but this large size thing might be cool.  The bartender used it to melt cheese on tortillas.
That's a nice answer. I already have a plumbing torch - and they're quite cheap for someone who doesn't have one yet. I have used it on creme brulee - those tiny kitchen torches annoy me.

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Re: buy induction stove now or later?
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2023, 12:05:47 PM »
I was at a bar this past weekend (first time in a while) and the bartender had a plumber size butane torch with a cool diffuser on it.
Proably a Searzall.

 

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