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What to with an inherited family business??
« on: February 18, 2017, 11:49:31 AM »
Need some advice on a recent event that has flipped my world around a bit:

TL/DR:  Father died, family needs to decide what to do with business he owned that is far away from everyone but holds great memories for all of us.

My father recently passed away very suddenly.  He owns/owned a business in a very rural area of the country.  He has owned the business for 20 years.  All of my siblings and I have (as well as many of my cousins and friends) have all worked there for at least a couple of summers during school (high school and college).  There has been some development and expansion of the business that has been in process for the last two years and will likely continue for at least another 18 months.  Once that is complete and the business is back to ticking along and producing cash flow we will have two decisions to make:

Do we sell the business or keep it?  If we keep it, who will run it?  Right now my mother is stepping in to help get everything stabilized, but she has been retired for 10 years and while she feels a personal responsibility to the employees there she does not want to take it over long term.  My siblings and I all live in major urban centers on the coasts and are all advancing our chosen career paths.  I had always had in the back of my head that taking on partial management of the business would be part of my FIRE plan, but that would not be for at least another decade or more.  My brother has expressed interest but he readily admits that he doesn’t have the business or financial sense to really operate it (he's more of a creative).  My sister has no interest in taking over management responsibilities, but my BIL (her husband) has also expressed some interest in the business, and has been helping out a bit on certain projects already.

I don’t have a great picture of the financial workings of the business (although that will hopefully change in the next week or so) but on paper it should be able to produce a significant amount of free cash flow once all the development is complete.  The largest revenue stream is a very high margin business as long as capacity is utilized appropriately.  Overall once stabilized the business might be able to throw off enough cash that my share would be enough to cover our annual spending entirely.

One the other hand, based on appraisals done for the development financing, if we sold the business the amount I would receive (plus some life insurance money) would put us very close to our FIRE number.  But then we lose the place that holds so many memories for us, and I would lose my potential FIRE project.

I am very well compensated in my current position and have been increasing my income rapidly in the last few years (tripled my income in the last 4 years with the chance to double it again in the next few).  My spouse also makes a good income, although I make significantly more.  The business cannot pay me what I currently make, but my current position is quite demanding (both in terms of hours and travel).  If I quit to take over the business I worry that I am giving up a lot to take a gamble on a business that could be very susceptible to the ebbs and flows of the business cycle.  My spouse also worries that I would be traveling as much if not more than I do currently to make sure everything runs smoothly, which is especially pressing right now because we have very young children at home.

We live in a HCOL on the fringes of an ULTRA-HCOL and this business is in a LCOL area, but we have no desire to move there.  Bottom line is that we want to raise our children in a place where not everyone looks like them.  My siblings feel similarly, although my sister and BIL live the closest (about 7 hour’s drive away).

What does the MMM hive mind think?  What information am I leaving out that could help clarify people’s thinking?  Anything I’m not considering?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: What to with an inherited family business??
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2017, 12:14:02 PM »
My condolences on the loss of your father.

Take your time making a decision, and be sure to consult everyone with an interest.  It sounds as though, given that there are on-going projects to be completed before selling, you and the others with interests have some time to get your thoughts together: don't be too hasty.  But also, selling a business can take time, so if interest in buying is expressed before you think you are ready, do still consider it seriously.

If you don't want to live near this business, then I don't think running it should be a part of your future: it's not fair to the employees and other part owners to have a manager who is not fully committed to the business and on the spot, and it's not fair to your wife and young children to be gone more than you have to.  It doesn't sound to me as though anyone else is in a position to be fully committed to it either - 7 hours' driving each way is no fun on a regular basis.





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Re: What to with an inherited family business??
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 12:29:10 PM »
Condolences on the loss of your father.

How is the ownership the business divided now that he has passed away? You mention your mother is still living (and doing some management), but later you mention that if the business was sold, it'd result in a significant chunk of money for you? For a single owner business, the distinction between paying yourself a salary and making a profit is academic, but with multiple owners, that distinction gets messier and more contentious.

Presumably the business was throwing off enough income to support your father and mother. But if it is now divided among your mother, yourself, and three siblings, each share of profits would be significantly smaller, potentially not enough to live on. If you were managing the business, you would probably need to pay yourself a salary before dividing the profits, which would mean negotiating with the other owners (your siblings and mother) about how much of "their money" they're willing to give up to pay you to manage the business. Avoiding that potential source of family strife is probably worth an awful lot. But on the other hand I can certainly understand the emotional appeal of holding on to a business built up by your family over decades. It's a hard decision at a hard time in your life.

P.S. I have no idea what the actual business is, but for whatever reason as I read your post I was picturing a feed mill or grain elevator.

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Re: What to with an inherited family business??
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 12:30:21 PM »
I am sorry to hear about your father's passing.

There are two concerns here, the finances, and keeping everyone in the family happy.

The simplest solution would be to sell if you could get  an ok price relative to value and the family could all get on board with and be happy with the decision. Not necessarily right away of course, but once you've all had a chance to process things and get organized.

There are several possible complications that could get awkward or cause some family tension over time if you keep it as a shared venture for the long term. For example:
- Someone wants out (? On fair valuation of their share). Or no cash available to pay them out.
- Person that runs the business- what level of salary is fair compensation for their time?
- If Business starts going badly, could be awkward conversation with person running it. Or could have losses that potentially drag on other family member financials.
- If business does really well, person running it could feel they deserve greater share of the rewards due to their greater efforts.

My advice would be to try not to mix the family finances for the long term in order to avoid these possible complications. Of course this might work in some instances but I think you'd want to be aware of the possible points of relationship tension and have strategy to avoid having any conflict come up.

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Re: What to with an inherited family business??
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 01:55:40 PM »
My condolances.
 
1.  You and your family should probably not commit to a decision for about a year after your loss (+/-).

2.  Tell your family partners what you are telling us.

When you are ready, put all of the REAL numbers (professional objective appraisal?) in front of you and your family and make a rational decision based on mostly the numbers (...+ lifestyle, enjoyment, etc.) making sure the business does NOT run you.  If selling makes the most sense, don't have it be a "guilt trip".  Good luck!

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Re: What to with an inherited family business??
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 05:13:20 PM »
If you and your siblings end up wanting to sell it or manage from afar, is there a loyal employee who might be interested in purchasing/managing the business? You might feel better letting go of the place if you know it's in good hands with someone who remembers and respects your father.

As others said, no need to rush. Take your time, talk it out. My condolences for your loss.